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China said his comments were "naive"

China doesn't think the U.S. should be commenting on the current state of China's Internet regulation considering that National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden broke into and leaked secret U.S. government information.
 
According to Reuters, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry recently told Chinese bloggers that he supported the idea of greater internet freedom in China, but Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said it wasn't Kerry's place to make those comments. 
 
"If China's internet had not gone through enormous development in the past few years then where would these bloggers have come from?" said Chunying. "China's affairs must be decided by Chinese people based on their own national condition. Using methods like this to push China in a direction of change they want, isn't that rather naive?"
 
"I think the topic of this discussion could have been even more open, for example discussing Snowden's case and issues like that."

China's Communist Party still heavily regulates the internet, renewing a campaign to control online interaction just last year. China says it's necessary for "social stability."
 
China is known for censoring its Web offerings to citizens in order to prevent rumors about the government from circulating. Chinese citizens cannot access pages like Facebook or Twitter for public forums.
 
In late 2012, it was reported that China wanted the real names of citizens when signing up with internet providers. This means that any Chinese resident would have to show their government-issued identity cards when entering into contracts for both fixed line and mobile internet access.

Source: Reuters



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contrast with
By lagomorpha on 2/17/2014 2:49:38 PM , Rating: 2
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In late 2012, it was reported that China wanted the real names of citizens when signing up with internet providers. This means that any Chinese resident would have to show their government-issued identity cards when entering into contracts for both fixed line and mobile internet access.


As opposed to the US where ISPs will happily let you pay in cash and not have a real name associated with your connection?




RE: contrast with
By coburn_c on 2/17/2014 7:21:24 PM , Rating: 3
Just like China's reply, this is a misdirection. China intensely censors the internet, as does South Korea, which is a violation of human rights according to the UN.

The US spies, China spies. The difference is you can search for the word Tibet in America.


RE: contrast with
By inperfectdarkness on 2/18/2014 1:07:45 AM , Rating: 2
It's actually a bit more sinister than that. China doesn't have dirty laundry like state-secrets being leaked--because they have such a draconian control over everything. So it's really easy to point fingers at how everyone else is screwing up when you've got such stringent controls to prevent anyone outside of high-ranking Chinese political officials from knowing about it.

Same BS why Wikileaks is going after the USA and not China. There's nothing coming from China to publicize. Not that it doesn't happen, but any potential "leakers" are enemies of the state and dealt with secretively and severely in very short order--without ever coming to public light.


RE: contrast with
By purerice on 2/20/2014 6:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
There is a lot of news coming from China, actually. You hear and read about individuals fighting corruption all the time.

Riddle me this though. Snowden aside, the desire for personal gain seems obvious. Assange gained incredible fame in attacking the US. What would have have gained for revealing the same info about China?

Assange probably would have gained a bullet lodged in his body from an agent working for a government afraid of offending China. You know, the China that buys foreign debt and sells cheap products to the rest of the world. If they got too upset and refused to buy debt, the economy would collapse and cause the government more harm than the airing of a little dirty laundry.


RE: contrast with
By superstition on 2/21/2014 4:33:15 PM , Rating: 3
Wikileaks -- which was thumped off the Net by the government via threatening spokesman like Joe Lieberman.

Great example of freedom there.


Kerry is a joke
By trajan24 on 2/19/2014 4:51:00 AM , Rating: 4
Kerry prances around the world pompously making the dumbest pronouncements imaginable. I'm no fan of the Chinese government but having Kerry in a diplomatic role is a total embarrassment.




Appriopriate ?
By Michael Broennimann on 2/19/2014 7:38:42 PM , Rating: 2
Whilst the Bush regime lost political contact to the base, Obama lost the personal touch and emphasis to the electing population. Europe tries keeping politial correct but gradually turns off a selfish and self-degenerating state. The world is not US, the world is global.




By toffty on 2/17/2014 2:53:45 PM , Rating: 5
I agree that we've lost large amounts of freedom in the US; but the fact that you can still go anywhere on the internet in the US is not an illusion. A US citizen still has much more Freedom than any Chinese citizen. While exercising their freedom, the US citizen will be watched though (just like they would be in China) which, yes, takes some of that freedom away


By Motoman on 2/17/2014 4:27:02 PM , Rating: 3
This is just it. The US may be spying on you, which is a horrific abuse of the American people...but you are *free* to do whatever you want on the internet.

In China, the Great Firewall decides what you can and can't do...period. On top of the fact that I would guess that they're spying on the citizens to a degree that would make even the NSA blush.

The reason that China does this is because the government wants to limit information people can get. The classic example being any information that might detract from the government itself...like, say, the Tiannemen Square incident. There is nothing more controlling...nothing less *free*...than limiting what information people have access to.

The Great Firewall of China is, in and of itself, a crime against the Chinese people.


By ritualm on 2/17/2014 5:11:08 PM , Rating: 2
And it has plenty of reasons to keep it that way. The Chinese government has too much dirty laundry and would prefer none of them gets any airtime, so an uncensored internet will cause the country to implode from within. It has a hard enough time controlling dissent as is. A government-sponsored protest against Japanese businesses can easily take a turn into protests against corruption in their own government.

Kerry screwed up. Why would he even mention the lack of openness in China regarding spying, when the other side already has hard information that USA has wiretapped China's networks?

I'm not saying China is innocent - far from it. I'm saying that it's one of the times where Kerry would be better off by saying nothing at all.


By MechanicalTechie on 2/17/2014 9:41:51 PM , Rating: 3
Kanye West with a mouthful of cock has more respect that those 3 combined!


By tfk11 on 2/17/2014 5:28:10 PM , Rating: 2
Sure you can go anywhere on the net... that hasn't been seized yet. Why censor domestically when you can just seize domains on a whim regardless of where a site is based.


By superstition on 2/18/2014 6:12:04 PM , Rating: 2
I guess some of the people here aren't familiar with the way the government took Wikileaks off the net (by illegally threatening companies via Joe Lieberman).

I guess they're also not familiar with the way the UK stormed into the Guardian's office and demanding that they smash computers and hard drives in their basement.

People talk about freedom, as if a goldfish's freedom to move around its bowl constitutes the real thing.

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They can keep hiding my posts, ironically, but it won't change the facts.


By superstition on 2/19/2014 12:01:42 PM , Rating: 2
Joe Lieberman emulates Chinese dictators
The Connecticut senator pressures Amazon to block Americans from viewing WikiLeaks documents -- Glenn Greenwald 2010

http://www.salon.com/2010/12/02/lieberman_55/


By superstition on 2/20/2014 5:06:43 PM , Rating: 2
Lieberman, by the way, worked with Obama and Republicans to prevent the public from getting access to the torture photos and video footage.

Obama, Liberman, and a GOP senator I don't recall joined together to block the FOIA action designed to get those things released so the public could hold its government accountable.

So, this Wikileaks thing is hardly Lieberman working alone. He was the arm of the administration for various things involving suppression.


By superstition on 2/19/2014 12:05:40 PM , Rating: 2
Nope.

quote:
Following up on my post from earlier today about Joe Lieberman’s Chinese-replicating Internet censorship efforts (and please read that first for the context), I wanted this to be highlighted separately: The New York Times reports that another company has now capitulated to Lieberman’s demands

http://www.salon.com/2010/12/02/censorship_4/
http://www.salon.com/2010/12/02/lieberman_55/

But, keep believing you're free.


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