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China blocks YouTube in effort to prevent Tibetans from posting to YouTube

China annexed Tibet in 1950, and Tibet became a formal province of China in 1959. Today, a half-century later, Tibetan resistors are no longer fighting with protests in the streets, but with protests on the internet.

Websites like YouTube allow protestors to post videos of the uprising against China and of reported retaliation by the Chinese army.

With these new videos capturing audiences in hundreds of thousands, China blocked access to YouTube within the country. Some of the video depict protestors being killed in uprisings across the Tibet Autonomous Region.

Chinese authorities claim only 16 protestors have been killed. The real number is unknown as a New York Times blog reports that no one is being allowed to confirm the number of dead. Despite the YouTube blockade by China, a number of videos depicting the violence in the region have made their way to YouTube.

YouTube has been targeted by some governments recently for different issues. In America the problem with YouTube is the posting of copyrighted videos, though the website has never faced a state-sanctioned shut down for this reason.

China isn’t the only government attempting to block YouTube. Pakistan accidentally cut off YouTube and its entire country from the internet in February of 2008 when it made a series of mistakes while attempting to stop its citizens from watching anti-Islamic videos featured on the website.

Other countries with critical views of its leadership or state religion have also imposed temporary sanctions against YouTube, including Iran, Thailand, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates.  Iran and the United Arab Emirates are the only two other countries that still impose bans on YouTube content.



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yet another block on freedom speach
By jdr123 on 3/17/2008 3:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
Its sad that they have to resort to such measures. Why can't the people in China see whats going on?




RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By tastyratz on 3/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By dsx724 on 3/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By Lord 666 on 3/17/2008 5:52:11 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, the Dali Lama spent some time at "the Farm" as an fierce Tibetian fighter monk instructor.

His other objective is to brainwash the US into wearing orange.

/stupidity


RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By dsx724 on 3/17/2008 10:30:08 PM , Rating: 3
RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By krwhite on 3/18/2008 5:24:31 PM , Rating: 2
These folks do NOT deserve the Olympics. Period.


RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By dsx724 on 3/18/2008 6:07:20 PM , Rating: 3
Very few countries do, least the USA. We scream human rights at our convenience. We have destroyed more democracies around the world than any organization in history. Culture killing is second nature to us. We turn away and let our CIA continue their work. We violate our own domestic and foreign accords to protect the wants of our wealthy.
There is no greater stigma than being an American after 9/11.

To quote Hermann Göring some 60 odd years ago:
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."


By clovell on 3/17/2008 6:25:17 PM , Rating: 3
We don't run our country like the Nazis.

You see what I did there? A play out of your book. This is fun, let's try another one.

We didn't scape-goat (is even a legitimate verb in the English language?) Saddam.

Score!

Our legal system hasn't halted our economy.

Okay, okay, that's enough, I like playing my way a little better.

We have first amendment rights. If you disagree, you should contact the ACLU - they'd be happy to hear from you since they gotta work to make their living just like the rest of us.

Our legal system has protected this country and allowed it to prosper and brought us to a point where human rights are respected and protected.

The stuff about the economy is really beside the point.


RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By TheVoice1 on 3/17/2008 6:26:38 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
we run our country like Nazi's


quote:
stripped away freedoms from our citizens


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If you actually think all americans have first amendment rights, you are fooling yourself.


quote:
The Dalia Lama is on the CIA payroll and he was basically a slave lord before China reformed Tibet.


quote:
we are actually supporting an evil system


quote:
China can really care less what we think because we're full of it. They own the means of production and a large portion of our country.


There you have it folks, voice of the modern American Liberal.

America is a Nazi like state, with very limited freedom of speech, we've been stripped of our rights, China is actually helping Tibet and stupid Americans are being decived into thinking otherwise, and China owns us (someone better let the Canadians know, since they own far more US assets than the Chinese, who are not even in the top 10.).

Please, instead of opening your mouth and confirming your idiocy, why not just say 'I hate America, it's the source of all evil in the world', since only a sentiment like that could enable anyone with even a hint of intellectual honesty to twist the facts to the degree that you have.


RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By dsx724 on 3/17/08, Rating: -1
RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By TheVoice1 on 3/18/2008 12:13:45 AM , Rating: 2
You are entitled to your own 'point of view' but not to your own facts.

It appears you decided to eliminate any lingering doubts about your idocy that may have remained from your previous post.


RE: yet another block on freedom speach
By dsx724 on 3/18/2008 1:08:20 PM , Rating: 2
Please highlight the facts that you find questionable. I have yet to see you supply your counterpoints. You've just provided your view on my point of view and misaligned explanations for everything I said.

My views are views of a conservative and not of a liberal as you so claim.
I'm not endorcing government programs to help the poor. I'm against the US being world police. I'm not endorsing complete and total individual liberty. I'm protesting neoconservatism/neoliberalism and its role in shaping modern America. I don't think these changes are healthy for anyone.

China is helping Tibet by free serfs from oppression that once existed under the rule of monasteries. They levied taxes against the ruling class in Tibet some who opposed with force. China then went ahead with land reform for the poor which forced the Dalai Lama to flee (the serfs would have probably kill him if he stayed). I don't see that as a human rights issue at all. If you bring violence and chaos to others, you deserve violence.

With respect to laws: When laws can be created or approve by those who make a living off its practice, it WILL become a burden to the rest of society. This country desperately needs legal reform but does not have the means to do so anymore.


By lompocus on 3/29/2008 2:59:31 AM , Rating: 2
Well gosh, when a lot of people are dying I don't exactly think the Tibetans care if China is trying to help or not.

I'll highlight the facts for the guy you responded to (since I deal mainly with the idiots on this site):
-Lots of tibetans are dying
-China needed to send in its military
-You wouldn't want to visit tibet right now
-China needed to send in its military
-China has been actively trying to destroy Tibetan culture
-China needed to send in its military

And we ought to shoot you for endorsing a communist takeover of an independent nation.

I think this situation is a sharp contrast to what happened in Taiwan. With Taiwan, the culture that essentially migrated there after communist takeover of China was able to stop the Chinese. They received military aid to prevent China from invading.

I'm sure if Tibet had a good benefactor willing to help those people (tibetans), they'd be Taiwan 2.0. Do you think that's a bad thing? Shall we ship you off to Tibet?


By EasyAce on 3/17/2008 6:50:17 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you Joseph Goebbels.


By FITCamaro on 3/17/2008 4:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
Seeing and caring are two different things.


By BruceLeet on 3/17/2008 4:12:23 PM , Rating: 2
If youtube was available in the 60s and 70s Black Panthers wouldnt be allowed to use it as well.

Former Vice President Dan Quayle was like this well into the 90s


I hate censorship
By Azndude51 on 3/17/2008 4:18:18 PM , Rating: 2
This is unfortunate, I will be visiting China for a about a month and there will be no Wikipedia or Youtube, two of my most frequented sites. I think it's illegal to look at porn too which just makes things even worse.




RE: I hate censorship
By lhlinlhlin on 3/17/2008 8:51:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is unfortunate, I will be visiting China for a about a month and there will be no Wikipedia or Youtube, two of my most frequented sites. I think it's illegal to look at porn too which just makes things even worse.

If your company offer the VPN then it is not a problem to hook on the sites you like.


RE: I hate censorship
By lhlinlhlin on 3/17/2008 8:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure if a pron site will be allowed in your company policy though.


RE: I hate censorship
By afkrotch on 3/18/2008 5:00:46 AM , Rating: 2
Just google "proxy ip" and you'll find sites that list a bunch of free proxies you can connect to. The proxies only last about 1 day, but connect to a different one on a daily basis.

Surf all the pr0n you want.


Is Violence called protest?
By campreal on 3/17/08, Rating: 0
RE: Is Violence called protest?
By 306maxi on 3/18/2008 4:52:19 AM , Rating: 2
Like you wouldn't be angry if another country annexed your country and tried to wipe out your culture?


By Pneumothorax on 3/18/2008 9:11:10 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I believe Beijing had to deal with that 60-70 years ago lol.


RE: Is Violence called protest?
By campreal on 3/18/2008 1:20:41 PM , Rating: 2
Like you said, America "annexed" Indian not long ago, though much later than Tibet.
BTW, Welcome to Lhasa, you can find whether thier culture has been wiped out by your eyes, not by the internet. Then check its history.


Annexed?
By twnorows on 3/18/2008 12:05:10 PM , Rating: 1
"China annexed Tibet in 1950, and Tibet became a formal province of China in 1959. "

That makes it sound so... OK. This evil chin-eeze empire did NOT "annex" Tibet, they moved in and TOOK IT BY FORCE!!

Any of you liberals who don't see the inherent EVIL in this have cranial-rectal inversion.

chin-A is a despotic, totalitarian NON-DEMOCRATIC empire. To try to say it is something else is just dishonest.

I don't go into gift shops with my wife anymore. They ALL seem to be retail outlets for the (sometimes hazardous) junk that the chin-eeze totalitarian swine government make using their people as slaves - to lower price.

See for yourselves: I used to look on the bottom of this junk and it would say "made in china". Later, as they started getting heat, they would label it as "made in PRC" (that's People's Republic of China for you non-thinking products of the liberal school system). Now even more insideous, they created an entire city with factories galore to make this garbage. The name of the city is... Usa. So now they're branding it as "Made in Usa" - I guess all the non-thinking people who went to the liberal public schools are totally conned by this - thinking that the garbage they buy is made in the USA. It's even more scary that these people are allowed to vote.

Now if you want some products that are NOT made in Usa, you can go to the following locations:

http://www.learn-futures.com Site 1

http://www.tw-profitzone.com Site 2

I guarantee that these products are not made by slave labor.




RE: Annexed?
By campreal on 3/18/2008 1:46:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't go into gift shops with my wife anymore. They ALL seem to be retail outlets for the (sometimes hazardous) junk that the chin-eeze totalitarian swine government make using their people as slaves - to lower price.


Actually, multinational company lower the order price, not the Gov. So your family can buy a $20 Levis or $70 Guess.
Read the book "A year without Made in China" written by Sara Bongiorni first please.


RE: Annexed?
By lompocus on 3/29/2008 3:06:26 AM , Rating: 2
Does that book mention how China's economy would collapse entirely in a month, or does it take the fictional approach of everyone crying "we want china" and china coming to the rescue somehow?

Without Made in China, we would have exactly 4 changes:

-Prices in everything would rise 10-30% because we no longer use slave labor.

-Instead of Made in China, it would be Made in Tibet, Made in Taiwan, Made in Vietnam, Made in Norway, Made in Japan, Made in Mexico, Made in Rusia, Made in India, etc. The industries would do what they do best: Make money, recover, and move to the next cheapest/best suited nation.

-2 billion people in China would starve.

-The US economy would have a minor drop for a few months, and would quickly return to where it was back when there was Made in China after point #2 was finished being implemented. It would only take as long as a businessman would want to get back to making money.


???
By rcc on 3/17/2008 4:22:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
China annexed Tibet in 1950, and Tibet became a formal providence of China in


Perhaps province is the word you were looking for here




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