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China last year became the world's largest user of power, surpassing the U.S. The title came largely thanks to gains in U.S. energy efficiency.  (Source: Science Blogs)

China is expected to pass Japan this year to become the world's top coal importer. Only three years ago it was a net exporter.  (Source: CleanTechnica)

Aside from GHG emissions, China's high emissions of Nox and sulfuric compounds has given rise to noxious smog clouds, which now frequently blanket China, depending on weather conditions.  (Source: Telegraph UK)
Nation of over 1.3 billion people thirsts for power as it grows larger and more industrialized

Back in June 2007 China earned the dubious distinction of surpassing the U.S. to become the world's top emitter of greenhouse gases.  Now approximately three years later, the highly populated country has become the world's largest consumer of energy.

The news that China may now be the world biggest energy customer comes based on analysis by the International Energy Agency (IEA).  According to the IEA, China overtook the U.S. in energy consumption sometime last year.

Despite having over 1.3 billion people, versus about 307 million in the U.S., China's new title may be primarily driven by the inefficient way it uses energy.  While the U.S. has improved its energy efficiency by 2.5 percent per year from 2000 to 2010, China only improved 1.7 percent.

While the U.S. still trails Europe in energy efficiency, it is consuming much less power as time goes on.  States Fatih Birol, the IEA's chief economist, "In the 2000, the US consumed twice as much energy as China, now China consumes more than the U.S. On the one hand, the U.S. has come to a certain saturation of energy use, but there have also been lots of efforts, especially since 2005, to use energy more efficiently."

As Birol indicates, the Chinese victory came as somewhat of a surprise, as it was widely expected to take a couple more years for the Chinese to surpass the U.S. in energy consumption.  But the the numbers conclusively show that last year China used 4 percent more power than the U.S. -- 2,252 million tons of oil equivalent of energy from sources including coal, oil, nuclear power, natural gas and hydropower.

The IEA states that China, as the world's top dog in energy consumption, will be able to dictate international energy policy to an extent.  States Birol, "There will be a big multiplier effect."

The U.S. in recent years has been concerned with China's energy hunger.  Disdainful of China's proposed "voluntary" emissions targets, the U.S. has also shown concern about China's aggressive pursuit of Kazakhstan oil.

Three years ago China was a net exporter of coal.  This year it is expected to import 105-115 million tonnes of coal, to surpass Japan as the world's largest coal importer.  China is also now Saudi Arabia's largest oil customer -- a position held for decades by the U.S.  Money speaks and that position will likely have a profound effect on international business and relations in the Middle East.

Nobuo Tanaka, the IEA's secretary-general, has been trying to convince China to join the IEA since March.  The organization, which represents the largest energy consumers in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) helps push for alternative energy and greater energy efficiency.



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China is smart
By mdogs444 on 7/21/2010 9:21:13 AM , Rating: 4
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Nobuo Tanaka, the IEA's secretary-general, has been trying to convince China to join the IEA since March. The organization, which represents the largest energy consumers in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) helps push for alternative energy and greater energy efficiency.


China is very smart. Why would they want to join an organization that wants to force people to pay a lot more money for the same amount of energy for the sake of "feeling good about being green"? China can see their economy and increasing growth is more important than the job killing, cost increasing, mental mantra that comes with feel good environmentalism.




RE: China is smart
By Motoman on 7/21/2010 10:33:15 AM , Rating: 4
...yeeeah, that's pretty much how the USSR destroyed huge amounts of their ecology too. It's not about "feeling good" - it's about not wasting the resources that you have and potentially making your own land unusable for living/farming on.


RE: China is smart
By Dorkyman on 7/21/2010 11:56:43 AM , Rating: 4
Remarkably, China's control-from-the-top style of government is doing well because they show common sense, while the USA spends its time chasing its tail. I never would have imagined we would have a Community Agitator with socialist ideals as our "leader" in Washington DC.

What depresses me the most, however, is not the Fool in the White House; after all, he'll be out in a couple of years. Rather, it's the fact that he was elected at all. Shows the mindset of the American people. I can only hope that there is a decisive corrective action this November.


RE: China is smart
By Motoman on 7/21/2010 12:14:15 PM , Rating: 5
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What depresses me the most, however, is not the Fool in the White House; after all, he'll be out in a couple of years. Rather, it's the fact that he was elected at all. Shows the mindset of the American people. I can only hope that there is a decisive corrective action this November.


What you forget is that this is exactly the same thing that people were saying about Bush. And before him, Clinton...and effectively every president ever.

*that* is what shows the mindset of the American people.


RE: China is smart
By PaterPelligrino on 7/22/2010 1:05:51 AM , Rating: 5
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What you forget is that this is exactly the same thing that people were saying about Bush. And before him, Clinton...and effectively every president ever.

*that* is what shows the mindset of the American people


Stupidity is precisely the problem with politics in the US, but not primarily the stupidity of our politicians - after all, in a democracy the people get who they vote for - but of the American people. Time and again, polls have shown that a majority of Americans can't find England on a map; almost half believe that Jesus is coming back in the next 50 years to punish the sinners. (What are the foreign-policy consequences for a democratic country where half the voting public thinks the Sky Fairy promised the territory of Israel to the Jewish people?)

What else but American stupidity can explain public figures like Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Jerry Falwell. We're a country of morons who worship idiots because they believe - or pretend to believe, which is usually the case with these charlatans - the same stupid things we do. In no other country is intelligence a liability in a politician.

A democracy requires an electorate sufficiently well educated to select politicians that will serve the public good, or at the very least, intelligent enough to know what the public good is. That is most emphatically not the case in the good old US of A, city on the hill and beacon of hope to all mankind.


RE: China is smart
By knutjb on 7/22/2010 1:27:01 AM , Rating: 2
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A democracy requires an electorate sufficiently well educated to select politicians that will serve the public good, or at the very least, intelligent enough to know what the public good is. That is most emphatically not the case in the good old US of A, city on the hill and beacon of hope to all mankind.
A democracy might, in your opinion, require such things. Our Democratic-Republic gives you the freedom to work as hard as you choose, or be as ignorant as you choose. You make it sound as if all the morons are in the US. I have traveled to many countries and they all have the same kind of problems in varying degrees.

When you decide that there must be an intelligence test to be able to vote you are using a very dangerous progressive moral relativism. What makes us great is the very thing you're whining about. Sure people do many dumb things but that is their right to do so.

I know several incredibly "intelligent" people who don't have the sense to find their way out open box with a map and flash light. Intelligence comes in many forms and academic intelligence is filled with many who might know a lot of things but have little or no real world experience in making things happen though they do have an abundance in the theoretical world...


RE: China is smart
By Hiawa23 on 7/21/10, Rating: -1
RE: China is smart
By Schrag4 on 7/21/2010 1:52:59 PM , Rating: 4
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Politics is poison, pure poison, & it's part of the reason many of the issues we face as a country as Americans, will never be solved, ...


Actually, the reason we'll never solve our issues is precisely because people think the government can actually solve any problems. Most issues you're probably speaking about wouldn't exist (or would correct themselves) if the government had simply stayed out of it in the first place. But, no, it's their job to make us think we need them so we'll put up with increased spending. Or if you're really insane you'll actually want the bigger spenders voted in.

quote:
...so get what you can get is my motto cause no one else will be looking out for you when you need help, & especially the rich guys, as all they are going to tell you is you are lazy, ...


Unemployment benefits have their place, but expanding them (like they just did, out to something like 2.5 years instead of the 13 weeks or whatever) just removes any motivation to get a job. Notice I'm not calling anyone lazy. I'm just saying there's reverse incentive when it comes to getting a job (or succeeding in general).

quote:
...cut em off, but please continue our tax breaks, please.


I don't consider unemployment benefits or welfare to be the same as tax breaks. I say lower EVERYONE's taxes, rich AND poor. Oh, I forgot, the poor don't pay taxes...


RE: China is smart
By Hiawa23 on 7/21/10, Rating: 0
RE: China is smart
By Schrag4 on 7/21/2010 3:28:53 PM , Rating: 3
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As far lowering taxes, I seriously doubt that is possible given the financial crisis going on.


I agree with you that things are worse now than they've been in years, with people unable to find jobs where they might have been able to 3+ years ago. BUT, raising taxes does the exact opposite of creating jobs. It destroys jobs. Look, unless you work for yourself, if you have a job, ultimately you're working for someone richer than yourself. Do you think raising taxes for rich guys will allow them to continue employing as many people? Not unless they cut salaries.

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If you can find $ to fund wars, or help foreign countries then you can find $ to help Americans struggling, many at no fault of their own.


Totally agree. And that's why many of us think the govt shouldn't be funding ANY of this stuff. It's not just the domestic spending that we're necessarily opposed to. Stop spending on all that other stuff and you can lower taxes and "evil rich people" will be able to hire more employees. Conversely, put your figurative boot on the throats of said rich guys and it'll be his employees (like you and me) that suffer, not the rich guy.

BUT, again, politicians have done a darned good job of making it look like those rich guys, who have worked hard to provide jobs for you and I, are somehow the bad guy because they have more than us. I, for one, and eternally grateful that someone lucky, smart, and most important, HARD WORKING has built a company that I can have an opportunity to work for. Nobody should take that for granted, but pretty much everyone does, unfortunately.


RE: China is smart
By Spuke on 7/21/2010 3:41:21 PM , Rating: 1
I find it amusing that working people don't seem to realize that they work for a wealthy person (or more likely wealthy people...publicly traded companies). That job you have didn't just materialize out of thin air. Someone or some group of people created that job and since those people cannot do (nor want to in most cases) everything themselves, they hire specialists (you and I) to do it for them. How is this so hard to understand?

And then some of you actually want to raise their taxes exponentially (like 28% is not enough already) causing these people to lay YOU off to maintain their profit margin (cause they have try to by law if they're publicly traded). Then you bitch about not being able to find a job. LOL!

Duh!


RE: China is smart
By Hiawa23 on 7/21/2010 4:05:49 PM , Rating: 1
I find it amusing that working people don't seem to realize that they work for a wealthy person (or more likely wealthy people...publicly traded companies). That job you have didn't just materialize out of thin air.

I don't find of this amusing, I am not saying raise taxes on the rich. All I am wondering is how does the government increase revenue without raising taxes on us all, given these times.


RE: China is smart
By Kurz on 7/21/2010 5:04:04 PM , Rating: 2
What the government should be doing is lowering its spending.
It should lower its involvement in the market place.
It should cut taxes.
It should return the money supply back to the people instead of treating the money supply as a piggy bank.

We can live without the government.
The government can't live without us.


RE: China is smart
By YashBudini on 7/29/2010 8:07:18 PM , Rating: 1
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We can live without the government.


See a lot of people moving to Bosnia, do you?


RE: China is smart
By knutjb on 7/21/2010 10:04:43 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/a...

By lowering taxes for all. This is a very inconvenient graph from government numbers. When taxes are high, particularly for the wealthy, they hide it because they feel the government has gone too far. Then who gets stuck, the poor and middle class because politicians don't see the revenues go up with the tax on the wealthy so they create new taxes that hit all.

Many businesses start working in cash, paying under the table, not make as many or large bank deposits, etc to try and survive outrageous taxes.

Companies move to states to those with lower taxes, like who left California. Money gets moved off shore and so on.

When the left say stick it to the wealthy they really are sticking it to the middle and poor. Lower taxes on the wealthy and they pay far more in actual revenues.

Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge understood this in 1921 and slashed the Federal Gov by 50% and slashed taxes creating the largest peace time economic boom the country has ever seen. Hoover and FDR did the opposite and we floundered economically from 1930 to WWII. At which point Truman did something similar to Harding and Coolidge and created the post war boom. FDR had no positive impact on the post war boom, he did have a negative impact because of all the debt he created. Obama is following FDR's model not Harding, Coolidge or Truman.

Wouldn't want history, and normal American Capitalistic behavior to get in the way. BTW Capitalism does not = greed, greed exists in all parts of society and government types oppressing and preventing those at the bottom from rising.

To sum it up using historically proven methods, low taxes and slash all Government spending, will turn things around. Do the opposite, well it has shown it doesn't work, US Depression, Japan's lost decade...


RE: China is smart
By Spuke on 7/21/2010 3:48:39 PM , Rating: 2
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There are alot working poor in this country that do pay taxes.
If all of the taxes you "paid" during the year are refunded back to you at the end of the year, you are NOT paying taxes. In the US (can't speak for other countries), the more money you make, the more you are taxed. And the wealthiest people pay the most taxes, period. This is not debatable, this is fact. The US government has statistics on all of this stuff. Look it up.


RE: China is smart
By AlexWade on 7/21/2010 8:04:09 PM , Rating: 2
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If you can find $ to fund wars, or help foreign countries then you can find $ to help Americans struggling, many at no fault of their own.


Have you be reading the story in the Washington Post called Top Secret America? It is a real eye-opener into how much money our US government spends on terrorism and intelligence. It also shows how grossly inefficient the intelligence system is. Yesterday's story was about how many private contractors the US government uses in intelligence, and these companies are making mad cash. They are stories of the good and bad of our tax dollars.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-amer...


RE: China is smart
By Hiawa23 on 7/21/2010 3:17:30 PM , Rating: 1
Most issues you're probably speaking about wouldn't exist (or would correct themselves)

If we looked to things correcting themselves, slavery would probably still be here, or we would still be sitting at the back of the bus in 2010. I think we all agree, the government needs to get the spending under control, they have needed this before we knew of Obama. In order to do this they are definitely going to have to cut entitlements, & draw down the 2 wars going on, as we can't afford them & we can't fix those countries. Honestly, I don't think we can afford to police the world which seems to be some of our mindset. Not sure how they would do it.


RE: China is smart
By Ammohunt on 7/21/2010 2:10:40 PM , Rating: 1
Marxism is color blind.


RE: China is smart
By Kurz on 7/21/2010 5:33:19 PM , Rating: 2
Far from the truth since it chooses to see colors and decides to help the lowest race by passing laws to make them equal to other races.

They are far from color blind. We should be treated equal under law. No law should try to make us equal since we are not.


RE: China is smart
By Ammohunt on 7/23/2010 3:01:55 PM , Rating: 2
What i meant is that anyone can be a marxist.


RE: China is smart
By rcc on 7/21/10, Rating: 0
RE: China is smart
By Hiawa23 on 7/21/2010 12:19:47 PM , Rating: 1
China is interesting. Not only do they have the most people & require the most energy, they really don't care about being green, or global warming, plus they almost own us if they ever call us on our debt. How could you not love that.

..........Oh wait, what did I just say, that aint funny at all, & is really scary. What have they(the people who have been in power last couple of decades) done to our precious America. Average Joe really doesn't have a chance....


RE: China is smart
By Solandri on 7/21/2010 2:49:57 PM , Rating: 3
China does not "own" us. They own a bit less than $900 billion of nearly $4 trillion in U.S. treasury securities. As scary as that may sound (they hold nearly $1 trillion!) U.S. annual GDP is over $14 trillion, while annual Federal budgets have been around $3-$3.5 trillion. The debt China holds is small potatoes compared to the other problems the U.S. has.

http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt


oh good
By shin0bi272 on 7/21/2010 9:27:10 AM , Rating: 1
maybe now we can stop hearing the whining from the left about how america is 5% of the population and uses 20% of the worlds resources... then again knowing the enviro freaks we wont.




RE: oh good
By Digimonkey on 7/21/2010 10:03:53 AM , Rating: 5
Playing devils advocate here. They'll recognize China consumes more power, but will state most of that power consumption comes from making goods to be exported to America, thus that energy consumption falls in our hands.

I'm just saying, it's what they'll say and honestly it's sort of correct.


RE: oh good
By RU482 on 7/21/2010 3:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
came here looking for that statement

left satisfied


RE: oh good
By Solandri on 7/21/2010 3:55:47 PM , Rating: 2
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They'll recognize China consumes more power, but will state most of that power consumption comes from making goods to be exported to America, thus that energy consumption falls in our hands.

Problem is, it's wrong.

China's net trade with the U.S. (exports minus imports) in 2009 amounted to a whopping $227 billion. China's 2009 GDP was $4.9 trillion. So the net amount of "stuff" exported to the U.S. only accounts for less than 5% of China's total economic activity.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...


RE: oh good
By Spuke on 7/21/2010 4:51:16 PM , Rating: 2
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I'm just saying, it's what they'll say and honestly it's sort of correct.
Honestly it's BS but I understand what you're getting at. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. It's just ridiculous that And I really don't see this "issue" going away until we become EXACTLY like Europe in thought, word and deed.

I have no desire to become anything like Europe. I like the "go our own way" attitude that we Americans have. And I don't care if it rubs the wrong way with some people. Can't please everyone!


RE: oh good
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 7/21/2010 11:16:13 AM , Rating: 4
It is interesting that global energy use is tied to global population when most energy use globally goes into production, and not individual discreationary consumption.

So while it is therefore true that the US consumes more like 25% of global energy, we also produce about 25% of global domestic product. That seems to me to be an efficient use of energy. Now if we used 25% of energy and produced 5% of global GDP, we would have a problem.


RE: oh good
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 7/21/2010 11:17:20 AM , Rating: 2
Please also note that most countries in the west use a proportionate amount of energy to global gdp. We just produce the most.


RE: oh good
By BZDTemp on 7/21/10, Rating: 0
RE: oh good
By Solandri on 7/21/2010 2:56:19 PM , Rating: 3
Listed by energy intensity (amount of energy consumed per unit of productivity), the U.S. is in the middle of the pack. Certainly the U.S. has room for improvement. But if you want to criticize countries for "wasteful" energy use like a Hummer, you should be starting with the countries which top this following list, not the U.S.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...


RE: oh good
By BZDTemp on 7/21/2010 3:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
Well since the subject of the news post is China and the US then exactly why should I comment on other countries than those two.

However since you're making an issue out of the whole energy intensity thing then maybe we need to consider what lies behind those figures. The thing is GDP is a financial measurement and it tells nothing on what is produced only the value of what is produced. So we are back to consumption vs. money which isn't really a fair yard stick unless you're gonna claim the life of a wealthy person is worth more than a poor person?


RE: oh good
By Solandri on 7/21/2010 3:47:02 PM , Rating: 3
That's a well-known paradox which comes up with energy efficiency. Increased energy efficiency seems to increase energy consumption, not decrease it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

Unfortunately, because of the paradox, decreasing consumption simply for the sake of decreasing consumption is synonymous with reverting society to a pre-industrial pre-technological state. Given a choice between that and increased efficiency leading to increased consumption, I choose the latter. We should be encouraging increased energy efficiency, not encouraging decreased energy consumption.


RE: oh good
By BZDTemp on 7/22/2010 8:55:06 AM , Rating: 2
If you increase the efficiency well then you can decrease consumption and especially when you have a nation accustomed to cheap energy there is much to be gained with simple means.


RE: oh good
By knutjb on 7/22/2010 2:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
Get idea except its terribly flawed. You are missing the growth component. I'm all for gains in efficiency if they are rational, that is they don't cost more to implement than they save.

There is only so much that can be saved through efficiency and with growth, well it keeps on growing.


RE: oh good
By TSS on 7/21/2010 5:22:39 PM , Rating: 1
Your GDP figure is bullshit and you know it. Just look at this:

http://bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?Sele...

The biggest crisis since the 2nd world war and all GDP did was dip for a quarter. Really?

Wikipedia says:

GDP (Y) is a sum of Consumption (C), Investment (I), Government Spending (G) and Net Exports (X - M).

Aha.

I found this blog post looking for a more detailed explanation, while i was looking for more info on manipulation of the CPI (which i hear GDP is related to in some way), but i must go take a bath so i'll leave with this link for now ^^. I doubt many here will belive it credible, but it's a start.

http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2008/07/real-g...


misleading statistic?
By Kutcher on 7/21/2010 12:19:51 PM , Rating: 3
Is the article speaking of total energy consumption for the entire country or energy consumption per habitant. Considering that China's population is more than 4 times that of the US it changes the meaning of the statistic rather drastically.




RE: misleading statistic?
By Solandri on 7/21/2010 3:01:40 PM , Rating: 2
Energy consumption per capita is a poor measure too, since by that metric people living in caves and eating raw food because they haven't yet discovered fire would represent the "pinnacle" of energy use.

The best measure is probably energy intensity - energy consumed divided by GDP. That is, how efficient are you at converting energy into useful productivity. By that measure, the U.S. is middle of the pack, and China is slightly more wasteful than the U.S. (which is astounding considering the great majority of their population is still agrarian).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...


OMG
By brabus on 7/21/2010 2:21:20 PM , Rating: 1
I suggest that 99% of you Americans that talk about big government and socialist ideas actually go read karl marx's the capital before you comment on economy.

Now I'm not a socialist but I think it would be better for you to know about something before commenting.

Reading a newspaper headline or some story, or better propaganda, on fox news doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

What i'm about to write is my personal belief.
I will ALWAYS be more trusting of a person that has been voted for a role than a appointed CEO. Unless there is clear prior damaging evidence other wise of course.

It's really strange to me that most Americans would rather entrust their future to a CEO whose agenda is only profit.
Do you live under the impression that you'll get a crumb off the table.How naive.

Your blind trust in BIG corporations is what led to your current downfall and still you cling to the same old ideals. I don't know if that is fascinating or pathetic.




RE: OMG
By Solandri on 7/21/2010 3:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
The current recession is due to the housing bubble popping, which had many causes: Government encouraging home loans to people unable to afford them, big banks profiteering from said loans, ordinary citizens wasting windfall "profits" from appreciating home values on hookers and blow rather than spending/saving it prudently, people and investment brokers buying up mortgage securities as investments without really understanding what they were (sold by the big banks profiteering above), China artificially pegging the value of the Yuan to the U.S. Dollar causing a huge trade deficit causing the U.S. government to lower interest rates to try to get China to change its policy causing an overheated housing market to heat up some more. There are probably several more factors I don't recall at the moment.

Overly simplistic interpretations of events in hindsight to fit a certain political ideology is what causes people to make mistakes in the future. The world is a complicated mechanism. When problems arise, it's hardly ever due to a single reason. If your ideology requires, for its self-justification, that there be a single reason, then most likely it's your ideology which is probably wrong.

Incidentally, the housing bubble in many European countries was worse than in the U.S. Consequently, the recession has hit Europe harder than the U.S. The exception was Germany - they never had a housing bubble. Their economy tanked but began recovering more quickly than anyone else's. I suspect if they were still using Marks, right now they would have passed Japan and China to jump to the #2 economy in the world. But since they're tied to the Euro, their economy is being bogged down helping to pay for the economic negligence of other EU countries like Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain, etc.

(Google for PIIGS if you don't yet know about their problems. Most first world nations have public debt exceeding 100% of GDP, and those countries were the worst. The U.S. used to be a rare exception to this, with public debt at only 60% GDP. Unfortunately the two wars and the recent spending binge in the name of stimulus have skyrocketed that to over 100% putting us in the same boat as Europe.)


RE: OMG
By brabus on 7/21/2010 9:21:48 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you for your response.
I never said that grave economic problems were simplistic.
I do agree with what you said in your response.
Nevertheless everything stems from a basic principle of how different cultures deal with their social,economic and political life.

My first post was simply to warn people of the dangers of saying socialism/capitalism is bad. And things like obama is a socialist,which couldn't be further from the truth.
In America the is no left. There is right and further to the right. There is no strong left party. This situation brings,in my opinion an imbalance in your politics.

It does make me happy that some are so aware of how problems arise. Though I must say Solandri, that I wish more were as informed as you in order to prevent future recessions.

I do like your country and have lived there for quite a few years but unfortunately, I have to say that I haven't met a single person that has visited america and said that they like it.
The best way to put it is. The common compaint is you guys see no gray,it's either black or white. With me or against me kind of mentality which unbeknownst to the general public seeps into political life and decisions. Sorry if at first I sounded condescending but there are some things that just make you go mad.

ps: sorry went off topic there


Environmental Crazies
By Kurz on 7/21/2010 9:32:39 AM , Rating: 3
Why don't we have our Enviromental nuts go over to china.
They'll be satisfied with big Government dictating their lives. They'll love to try to improve china's inefficienies. Plus China is always trying to make itself look progressive and modern with the rest of the world.
And we can enjoy cheaper power and greater advancements in technology with a better economy.

Its a win win!




??
By Yangorang on 7/21/2010 9:42:08 AM , Rating: 2
My question is why is it considered a "victory" to be consuming the most energy?




Handful of coal....
By croc on 7/21/2010 9:45:54 PM , Rating: 2
In the pictures to the article. all I can see is Australian miners profiting from their coal contracts with China. When I see a picture of a nuclear power station, all I can think is 'Good, more Australian yellow cake'.... And when I hear of China needing more natural gas, all I can think is 'Well, we got those new natural gas fields and our LNG facilities ranped up just in time'...

Go Aussies, go!




Stop being stupid please...
By danobrega on 7/22/2010 5:02:37 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=eg_...

USA is far worse than China in energy consumption.




,,,
By Daniel8uk on 7/21/10, Rating: -1
RE: ,,,
By tng on 7/21/2010 11:33:59 AM , Rating: 2
All I can say is "WOW"


RE: ,,,
By tng on 7/21/2010 11:36:02 AM , Rating: 2
OK, I will ask, was that meant to be sarcasm?


RE: ,,,
By Anoxanmore on 7/21/2010 12:24:35 PM , Rating: 1
Not really, the US has kind of piss poor Middle East relations(minus Isreal)...

China has the ability to correct that, seeing as how they aren't a religious nation they could pressure Iran to back off its fundamentalist ideals, since Iran won't listen to the US.


RE: ,,,
By Spuke on 7/21/2010 5:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I'm being overly shortsighted (in which case I hope someone will correct me), but why in the hell does anyone in the US care about what Iran does or doesn't do. They are no threat whatsoever to the US, even with a launch-able nuke. They ARE a threat to Israel and I could see applying pressure because of that but that's not how our government is pursing this. What do I know, I don't even see North Korea as a threat either.


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