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The EPA gave the Volt a rating of 98 MPGe

General Motors (GM) was happy to announce that Chevrolet Volt owners have been reaching -- and even exceeding -- the EPA estimated electric range.

According to GM, typical Volt owners are traveling about 900 miles between trips to the gas station. The EPA gave the Volt a rating of 98 MPGe.

GM even found a few owners who reported seldom stops for gasoline during their time of Volt ownership. Brent Waldrep from Michigan, who has had his Volt for 21 months, has racked up over 23,500 miles and visited a gas station only twice. 

“The last time, was in August (2012), and I still have about 65 percent of that tank left," said Waldrep. "I go about 9,000-10,000 miles between fill ups.”

Other customers are seeing similar results. For instance, Larry Read from Texas has only filled his tank once in 5,000 miles. Paul Friday from California said he gets about 7,000 miles between gas fill-ups. 

“We’ve seen and heard from our Volt owners that they are achieving fantastic performance numbers with their vehicle as many are beating the EPA label estimates,” said Cristi Landy, Chevrolet Volt marketing director. “Our Volt owners are showing the performance potential of driving electric, and having fun doing it.”  

GM even said Volt drivers are the most satisfied in the EV industry. 

The Volt had a good sales year in 2012, with over 20,000 sold. 

In fact, Chevrolet saw a low sales month for the Volt in November 2012 not because demand was low -- but rather, because demand was too high. It said there was low inventory for the Volt for that month because demand had been high in previous months.

The Nissan Leaf -- one of the Volt's competitors -- had to admit that it wasn’t going to hit its sales mark for 2012, which was 20,000 Leafs. Nissan only sold 9,819 Leafs for the whole year -- less than half of its goal, and only 1.5 percent higher than the number it sold in 2011.

However, Nissan is trying to pick that number up. It started Leaf production in the U.S. back in January. 

Source: General Motors

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I wonder
By spamreader1 on 4/4/2013 10:08:23 AM , Rating: 1
What kind of nasty that fuel is just sitting in the tank. I can't let fuel sit in my lawnmowers, tractor, etc. without the ethanol turning to varnish after 3-4 months clogging carbs and injectors without adding stabil.

Hope they're using fuel stabilizers in those.

RE: I wonder
By Jeffk464 on 4/4/2013 10:19:57 AM , Rating: 1
yeah, thats what I was thinking.

RE: I wonder
By random2 on 4/9/2013 4:23:04 AM , Rating: 3
Where are you guys buying your gas? Stop trying to get away with using that cheap farm gas. :-)

RE: I wonder
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 4/4/2013 10:50:52 AM , Rating: 5
The Volt will automatically burn off fuel if it goes too long without running the range extender. Also, the fuel system is pressurized, and when you push the gas cap release button it depressurizes before you can remove the cap.

I've got about 22k miles on mine, average MPG is 224. On electric, it uses an average of about 400Wh/mile, which at full retail costs me about 4.5 cents, though with public charging in my area it blends to about 2 cents per mile.

RE: I wonder
By lelias2k on 4/4/2013 3:38:52 PM , Rating: 1
Furthermore, the main reason GM recommends premium fuel is that it is supposed to last around a year in the tank.

But the vehicle will burn through it if it detects that it's been sitting there too long.

RE: I wonder
By Spuke on 4/4/2013 3:50:58 PM , Rating: 2
Never knew this. How does the burn through work? Does the engine turn itself on if it's been sitting for awhile?

RE: I wonder
By Reclaimer77 on 4/4/13, Rating: -1
RE: I wonder
By fic2 on 4/4/2013 4:08:13 PM , Rating: 1
Since exhaust fumes are already burned fuel I doubt they could cause anything to explode. CO poisoning is more likely.

RE: I wonder
By Reclaimer77 on 4/4/13, Rating: -1
RE: I wonder
By Souka on 4/5/2013 12:18:53 PM , Rating: 2
Meh... I drive about 500+ miles between fillups on my 2004 Prius.

Can the volt drive 600 miles all at once? or is it just lots of short trips, with plugin-charging inbetween?

If so, then I should be able to pour a quart of gas into my Prius as well between driving trips to simulate plugging in the car.


RE: I wonder
By NicodemusMM on 4/5/2013 10:31:17 PM , Rating: 2
The range is approx 400 miles per tank. Previously it was higher (650ish), but it seems the tank size has been reduced.

The Volt can be plugged in to charge, but it is not necessary.

RE: I wonder
By Spuke on 4/4/2013 4:16:26 PM , Rating: 2
lol I doubt it.
I didn't realize how that looked until I hit Post, of course. :)

RE: I wonder
By marvdmartian on 4/5/2013 7:59:57 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully it gives notice of doing this to the driver? Would sort of suck, doing a bunch of short trips, barely sipping at the gas in your tank....then BOOM! you're getting a low fuel tank warning light!

RE: I wonder
By BRB29 on 4/5/2013 12:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
what? just like every other car, it does show you fuel level.

RE: I wonder
By random2 on 4/9/2013 4:25:55 AM , Rating: 2
Gas gauges.....Supplied with new vehicles since 1992.

RE: I wonder
By dgingerich on 4/4/2013 11:20:15 AM , Rating: 5
lawnmowers and tractors don't usually have sealed fuel systems. there is a part that is open to the outside. Therefore, the volatile components, the part that burns best, evaporates off and you're left with what doesn't evaporate.

I had this happen to a bottle of scotch once. the cork dried out because I hadn't drank any in a long time, and the alcohol evaporated off, leaving behind a nasty, thick, wood tasting semi-liquid. It was a horrible travesty.

Most cars these days have a sealed fuel system, and some even pressurize it to reduce evaporation, due to federal emission mandates. That keeps the fuel from becoming the "varnish" you talk about. I'm sure most plug in hybrids would have a pressurized system because fuel would be left in their tanks for so long.

RE: I wonder
By Solandri on 4/4/2013 5:48:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the sealed tank is key. More details here.

RE: I wonder
By kmmatney on 4/4/2013 11:36:03 AM , Rating: 2
It can;'t be too bad. I've had my Craftsmen lawnmower for 18 years now, and never thought about it, so have always left fuel in the tank over Winter. Still running fine. I fill it with a 5 gallon tank that takes about 2-3 years to go through, so that fuel is sitting around a while...

RE: I wonder
By Manch on 4/4/2013 12:48:48 PM , Rating: 2
2-3 years to burn thru 5gallons with a lawnmower?!? How small is your yard? Or how slow does your grass grow, cuz I could use that in my yard! I'm mowing every damn week!

RE: I wonder
By BRB29 on 4/5/2013 12:40:38 PM , Rating: 2
Even with almost 1 acre to burn and on a husqvarna riding lawn mower, I used 5 gallons every 2-3 weeks.

RE: I wonder
By Manch on 4/8/2013 12:15:14 PM , Rating: 2
exactly why I was wondering how big his yard is. 5 gallon over 2-3yrs?

I should hope so
By cyberguyz on 4/4/2013 10:12:01 AM , Rating: 2
I mean it is a plug-in hybrid. It should be using almost no gas at all if you are driving mostly on battery.

It all depends on how long you are driving on battery compared to gas power. You drive more on gas, you are going to use more. If you never charge the thing, your mileage really will be pitiful.

RE: I should hope so
By Jeffk464 on 4/4/2013 10:22:02 AM , Rating: 2
The average person drives less than 40 miles a day, thats why GM's goal was 40miles on a charge.

RE: I should hope so
By dgingerich on 4/4/2013 11:21:46 AM , Rating: 2
I typically drive less than 20. I'd love to be able to get a plug in hybrid like this, but I live in a 3rd floor apartment. I doubt they'd let me run an extension cord down to my car.

RE: I should hope so
By Manch on 4/4/2013 4:18:52 PM , Rating: 3
RE: I should hope so
By Kazinji on 4/5/2013 5:43:08 AM , Rating: 2
HAHAHA, really doubt that can handle 20 amps of 110, or 40 amps of 220.

RE: I should hope so
By random2 on 4/9/2013 4:30:15 AM , Rating: 2
Warning: Even though these microwaves are about as harmful as the leakage from an ordinary microwave oven (not much), do not put computers, televisions, other sensitive electrical equipment, food, liquids, paper, glass, flammable substances, magnets, or living things in between the base and satellite units. Just in case.

Hahahaha. Too funny.

RE: I should hope so
By daboom06 on 4/4/2013 10:22:28 AM , Rating: 2
i don't think it would be worse than other hybrids.

RE: I should hope so
By cyberguyz on 4/4/2013 11:20:33 AM , Rating: 2

It's really a no-brainer: If you use the gas engine more, you will burn more gas. The amount of gas you use i gas-only mode will depend on how big that engine is and how much of your foot you need to put into it.

I would love to see how diesel-electric technology would work in the automotive world.

RE: I should hope so
By RU482 on 4/4/2013 1:11:25 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone know how well diesel keeps for extended periods?

RE: I should hope so
By NicodemusMM on 4/5/2013 10:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure, but my furnace has no problem burning stuff that's been sitting there for 8+ months.

RE: I should hope so
By johnsmith9875 on 4/8/2013 2:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
I imagine if your hybrid is garaged on a regular basis, fuel sitting in a tank for a long time isn't too much of an issue.

Safety First!
By Newspapercrane on 4/4/2013 10:12:08 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know if I'd trust my electric car that close to the pool...

RE: Safety First!
By max_payne on 4/4/2013 10:49:46 AM , Rating: 2
You are right. The picture is ludicrous. Why would you park your car that close. The car is ready to roll over the chicks in the pool. I hope it does. Btw as usual, only nice looking girls buy that car.

RE: Safety First!
By kattanna on 4/4/2013 11:08:30 AM , Rating: 4
wait.. there is a car in that pic


RE: Safety First!
By gmyx on 4/4/2013 12:51:16 PM , Rating: 2
The picture is not sourced, so I can't get a better image. It looks to me like the car is ON the pool on some kind of platform or powerful floating object. Looking behind it you see other floating objects.

RE: Safety First!
By GeneralJohnson on 4/4/2013 2:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
yay for Google image search.

there is a much higher res photo for you

RE: Safety First!
By Jedi2155 on 4/4/2013 4:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
More info here:

I love the VoltChella plate. A popular concert gathering in the SoCal area.

RE: Safety First!
By GotThumbs on 4/4/2013 2:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
I guess the marketing guys though a "fun" car would want to join in the fun.

Sometimes, I have to question the effort/intelligence some marketing people put in/have.

"Hey, lets put the car in the pool on a float...with the sexy girls"

Yep, that going to get the guys to buy this car.


Best wishes to the Volt Owners,

RE: Safety First!
By NicodemusMM on 4/5/2013 10:37:38 PM , Rating: 2
I hope they expand the platform
By somecanuck on 4/4/2013 10:21:59 AM , Rating: 5
I was always skeptical about the Volt until my co-worker ran the numbers for me. Since day 1 he has tracked his exact fuel cost and electricity cost for his volt. Most of his driving is local, though he does have a few 1000km trips on it as well.

Out of pocket for Gas + Electricity (all-in) has been $250 (cdn) for 11,000 km.

Keep in mind this also includes the winter season here in Northern Ontario where the engine runs to assist the heater, even with a full charge.

I seriously hope GM keeps & expands the platform further.

RE: I hope they expand the platform
By havoti97 on 4/4/13, Rating: -1
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 4/4/2013 11:38:43 AM , Rating: 4
Then power companies will get a better return on their investment and the grid will be largely unaffected since most PHEV charging occurs during off-peak periods such as while the owner is sleeping at night. Base load at night is highly underutilized, adding consumers for that wasted power is better for everyone.

If strain gets too much, utilities can engage in time-of-use (TOU) pricing to encourage off-peak charging. Any utility without TOU clearly has no problem with grid strain yet.

RE: I hope they expand the platform
By somecanuck on 4/4/2013 12:03:47 PM , Rating: 5
Then the electricity grid adapts to the demand. Money from our pockets go to the local utilities instead of the gas companies and overseas oil producers. They use that money to develop in-country means to provide more power to the grid. They sink R&D into better, cleaner ways of generating electricity that scales with the expected demand as people move to electric vehicles.

Think about it: If you took the money you would have given the Gas companies, and instead gave it to the Electrical companies, they could make significant improvements to infrastructure, develop renewable energy farms (solar, wind, thermal, etc), all of which benefits anything using the grid.

Economically speaking, it also shifts a very large amount of money back inside the country (jobs at the power factories, R&D labs, utilities, supporting industries) and puts the responsibility/control back into the local and federal government.

RE: I hope they expand the platform
By Dr of crap on 4/4/13, Rating: -1
RE: I hope they expand the platform
By Masospaghetti on 4/4/2013 2:01:49 PM , Rating: 2
the grid is not prepared for it. AND you think they'll improve the infrastructure. I'm thinking not until they NEED to.

So if there was widespread electric car your logic, they'll improve infrastructure because they'll be a need for it. Right?

By lelias2k on 4/4/2013 3:31:29 PM , Rating: 2
My thoughts exactly. :)

And evidently there won't be a flood of electric vehicles any time soon. Things will move forward slowly, just like when personal computers became common in the 80s. Try to find an office without a computer now. :)

By GotThumbs on 4/4/2013 1:56:55 PM , Rating: 2
Well Canada has been expanding the use of windmills in northern Ontario.

You can also look at adding solar panels to your home and those in turn, could be used to help charge your Volt.

Just some ideas to combat the "glass half empty" commenters.

I'd own a volt if I was willing to spend that kind of money on a car, but I'm not. Never purchased a brand new car and probably never will.

Best wishes for the volt owners though.

Loving the Volt
By Windogg on 4/4/2013 2:44:19 PM , Rating: 3
I can go anywhere between 1,000 - 2,500 miles between fill ups. Even then I only put keep about 4 gallons in the tank. Why haul around fuel that is rarely used? Makes for some interesting trips to the gas station. I have forgotten which side the gas filler was located. One work colleague had to call Onstar to ask how to open the gas tank door on his first gas station visit 9 months after purchasing the Volt. Another colleague instinctively tried to gas up using the charge port.

My commute is about 35 miles per day roundtrip and I get between 40 - 45 miles per charge depending on weather. Between topping off at home, work, and public EV charging stations, my electric bill has gone up about $15 - $20 per month. Also taking advantage of various perks like free parking in certain cities and HOV lane access. I put a value on my personal time. The extra $4K spent on the Volt as opposed to a similar Cruze Eco has been more than made up in less than a year.

Smug? Yes. Many EV owners I've talked to are because we know we are onto a good thing.

RE: Loving the Volt
By Spuke on 4/4/2013 3:46:52 PM , Rating: 2
Smug? Yes. Many EV owners I've talked to are because we know we are onto a good thing.
You could've left this part out and I would've taken this an informative post but, no, you had to be an a$$hole SO now I can't tell if this post is BS or not. Thanks.

RE: Loving the Volt
By Kazinji on 4/5/2013 5:47:25 AM , Rating: 2
Funny stuff. Less gas is less weight. Better use of the electric part :D

RE: Loving the Volt
By anactoraaron on 4/5/2013 1:44:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah but only short people can actually sit in those damn things. I sat in one at the dealer and there was no headroom for me (I'm 6'2"). I can't buy a car just for MPG alone, I need to be able to be comfortable in it.

I ended up buying a Cruse 1LT with the convenience package and some options just recently and also got $3000 in rebates and incentives. Final price was $17k soo...
The extra $4K spent on the Volt as opposed to a similar Cruze Eco has been more than made up in less than a year.

Yeah I call complete BS on that. The Volt after the 7500 credit is $32k for the base model and the base model for the Cruze ECO is $21k. I don't know what you call 'similar' so I'll leave that one alone. The Cruze ECO has an estimated $1400 in fuel costs per year so I highly doubt anyone driving a Volt can recoup the extra money spent (on the car and in fuel) in a year. I'm not saying you can't eventually recoup those costs, but you surely can't in a year.

In other news
By bug77 on 4/4/2013 11:25:08 AM , Rating: 1
If you plug it in all the time, the Volt gets an infinite MPG.

The number that really matters, I think, is how far can it go with a full battery and a full tank. You know, in case I want to go on vacation...

RE: In other news
By kmmatney on 4/4/2013 11:47:24 AM , Rating: 2
On vacation it will act like a regular car, with 35/40 gas mileage. Not as good as a Prius, but not bad.

RE: In other news
By bug77 on 4/4/2013 7:04:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, just looked it up. I was wondering if I would have to stop at each gas station along the way, it seems that's not the case.

RE: In other news
By NicodemusMM on 4/5/2013 10:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
I think the current range is about 400 miles per tank. Not stellar, but personally I prefer to get out and stretch my legs more than every 6-7 hours.

EPA's MPGe rating is a fraud
By GeorgeOu on 4/4/2013 5:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
RE: EPA's MPGe rating is a fraud
By Kyuu on 4/5/2013 1:58:20 AM , Rating: 2
The author of that article is wrong on several levels. MPGe is indeed a murky sort of measurement, but it's not a "fraud". No matter how you go about it, an electric power train is more efficient than one that burns fossil fuels, even if the electricity comes from power plants that burn fossil fuels.

Plus, in any case you have to take into account that weaning the power grid off of fossil fuels is going to be far easier than making cars that run off of something else. I don't think we'll be seeing feasible solar, wind, or nuclear powered cars anytime soon.

RE: EPA's MPGe rating is a fraud
By Kazinji on 4/5/2013 6:14:36 AM , Rating: 3
The numbers seem more realistic in the DOE model. Doesn't have the WOW factor of 99 mpge. But even so emission for plant is more regulated that it would be for a car.

By Kazinji on 4/5/2013 6:20:09 AM , Rating: 2
Gas has road taxes in it. As electric becomes more popular, are some other kind of tax for road upkeep be applied to electric vehicles?

RE: Taxes
By johnsmith9875 on 4/8/2013 2:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
They will implement a breathing tax, because everybody has to breathe.

break even
By Gunbuster on 4/4/2013 10:43:54 AM , Rating: 1
Or you could get a Cruze Eco and not worry about the volt breaking even with it in TCO after 8 or so years...

RE: break even
By Masospaghetti on 4/4/2013 11:11:22 AM , Rating: 2
The two cars aren't really comparable - the Eco automatic gets 26/39 mpg, the Volt gets 35/40 just on straight gasoline, obviously does much better when plugged in at night. 9 MPG better in local driving is very significant.

Also, go drive the two side by side. Obviously the Volt is more expensive, but the Volt is a much more refined vehicle.

Friend at work...
By Spuke on 4/4/2013 10:03:29 AM , Rating: 2
...bought one recently and gets ~700 miles between fill ups but she drives no faster than 60 mph.

By btc909 on 4/4/2013 1:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
Chevy needs to put this powertrain into other platforms. This car is too small for me personally. I realize how much fuel you waste just idling at a Starbucks drive-thru, run the AC & it's even worse. Be aware when you are moving at speed the fuel flow to an engine is shut off or nearly shut off depending on the manufacture. That's the beauty of batteries.

By jRaskell on 4/4/2013 11:38:57 AM , Rating: 2
The Volt has a 16Kwh battery. Look up your electric bill rate, mine is 9.5c per Kwh plus some additional fees. I'd guess it ends up at around 12c per Kwh, that means it will cost 12x16 = $1.92 to fully charge it from a complete discharge. Worst case scenario, it needs a full charge every single night comes out to just under 60 bucks a month, or a little bit more than the cost to fill up the fuel tank from empty once, and that is a scenario where you're driving 40 miles a day. Others may live in areas with higher electric bill, but I think it's probable that areas with high electric rates are likely to also be areas with high gasoline costs as well.

And I really have no problem with articles that don't assume the reader is a 'typical idiot'. Anyone with half a brain knows you aren't going to go 9000 miles in a single drive in these cars. Those without half a brain are irrelevant.

By Dr of crap on 4/4/2013 12:59:45 PM , Rating: 1
To eliminate the half brain people you've just taken away 3/4 of the population!

Come on, You KNOW they are a lot that would assume that 9000 miles per tank is exactly what it means!

By BRB29 on 4/5/2013 12:54:29 PM , Rating: 3
who cares? when you're that dumb then you most likely can't afford the volt.

By ven1ger on 4/10/2013 2:44:20 PM , Rating: 2
I think if a person is that dumb they shouldn't be around electrical appliances. Every appliance adds to the electrical usage, and the Volt becomes just another appliance.

By Spuke on 4/4/2013 1:57:56 PM , Rating: 2
Some areas are better suited to this than others. In CA, the Volt would put you in the next tier (ie more expensive electricity) BUT you can "split" your meter to allow for EV charging and get a reduced rate. To get the best rate a second meter needs to be installed (I'd do the 2nd meter). Cost of the meter varies from $300 to "we don't allow 2nd meters in residencies". Depends on where you live.

By ven1ger on 4/10/2013 2:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
In addition, if you have a home PV system, the electrical cost may be insignificant to non-existant.

By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 4/4/2013 5:06:26 PM , Rating: 2
My Volt requires about 200kWh from my home for a month's commuting and travel on average, and I get another "free" 200kWh or so from public charging (6mo unlimited for $25). At 11 cents per kWh all in, that's a bit more than $20/mo additional for 500mi of travel. That comes to about 4 cents per mile when charging at home, and 8/10 of a cent per mile when charging publicly. When on gas it runs about 12-14 cents per mile, and for all of 2012 I spent $311 for gasoline for both the car and a motorcycle.

By Spuke on 4/4/2013 6:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
My Volt requires about 200kWh from my home for a month's commuting and travel on average
Oh yeah, that would definitely put me in another tier here in CA.

and I get another "free" 200kWh or so from public charging
So, your Volt needs 400kWh per month for charging? That's a LOT if true. Can you clarify this?

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