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The Ceramic White PS3 is designated as CECHH00 CW  (Source: SCEJ)
PlayStation 3 dreaming of a Ceramic White Christmas

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe ended weeks of speculation with its announcement of the 40GB PlayStation 3, landing in the region starting October 10. While the new model has yet to be confirmed for North America, Japan will receive the 40GB PlayStation 3 on November 11 with what appears to be an exclusive color.

The Japanese market will see the new 40GB PlayStation 3 in both “Clear Black” and “Ceramic White” colors next month for 39,980 yen ($341). The white PlayStation 3 marks the first official color variation of the console, though professionally painted have appeared in the custom market in white, silver and red.

In another bit of good news for Japan, the new 40GB PS3 units will come packaged with a matching DualShock 3 controller instead of the SIXAXIS. The European 40GB PS3 will ship with the SIXAXIS controller, as the DualShock 3 isn’t expected outside of Japan until spring 2008.

Confirming another piece of expected news is SCEJ’s announcement that it will give free copies of Spider-Man 3 movie on Blu-ray Disc to the next 200,000 purchasers of all PS3 consoles in Japan, including the 20GB and 60GB models beginning October 17.

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Wasn't the price the issue?
By Chaser on 10/9/2007 1:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
Today its backward compatibility.




RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By akugami on 10/9/2007 1:39:57 PM , Rating: 5
Well...considering that many people looking to buy a PS3 wants and expects backwards compatibility, I'd say it's a pretty big issue.

And I don't know why people would expect their PS3's to be backwards compatible with their PS2's either. Oh that's right, Sony said it's one of their core values for their Playstation branding that future consoles can play the games from the older consoles. That way you always have a huge library of games and your gaming library is also never (within reason) obsolete.

$400 is still a huge wad of dough, about 3.5 to 4 days of work for me (depending on my hours) but probably a full week's worth of work for many others. Especially the working Joe. To have such a high price and no backwards compatibility with the huge library of PS2 games people have amassed is just fagtastic.

With all of the crippling of the PS3 revisions coming out, I'm seriously considering biting the bullet, getting one of the 60GB PS3's and then, depending on price, getting a Dual Shock 3 controller. Option 2 is to say FU Sony and just buy another PS2 to replace my broken one to play all my old games and just go with MS and Nintendo.


RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By Chaser on 10/9/2007 1:57:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
$400 is still a huge wad of dough, about 3.5 to 4 days of work for me (depending on my hours) but probably a full week's worth of work for many others. Especially the working Joe.

Great info thanks.

So lets hear from the "working Joes" out there.


RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By akugami on 10/9/2007 2:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
I think you miss my point. If I find $400 unpalatable, what must the working Joes who get minimum wage think of such a highly priced console that has no backwards compatibility with their PS2 games.

And let's face it, with over 100 million PS2 consoles sold, there are hundreds of millions of PS2 games floating out there. Someone who has owned PS2 for 5 years can have easily spent $600-1000 (and for many it can easily climb to $2000 in that time frame) would think it was like getting bent over and screwed by Sony to promise, yes promise, backwards compatibility then take it away.


RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By Murst on 10/9/2007 3:15:24 PM , Rating: 2
If you have invested so much money into your PS2 collection, and you find it very important, why not invest $100 more into a PS3 that will do what you want it to?

Its not like BC is gone from all models.


RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By nerdmanwhippy on 10/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By kyp275 on 10/9/2007 4:32:37 PM , Rating: 3
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the BC on the 80GB model something like well over 90-95%? (can't remember where I've seen it)


RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By Legionosh on 10/9/2007 1:43:52 PM , Rating: 4
Well price WAS the issue when it was $500-$600..(one needs only to look at the Neo Geo and 3D0 for the history lesson, although to be fair the PS3 even at $600 did far better than either of those systems)

..but this revision lacks something every other PS3 revision has had to date : backwards compatibility.

So Sony resolved one issue (the price..now they just need games to play to go along with the price)..

..and created another issue with the loss of BC..

..but in doing so has almost separated their users. Do you want BC or not? Your choice. High end or Low end.

I think losing the BC will really bite them in the rear. Since this is a feature they've touted since even before the PS3 launch, claiming it "brought value to the customer, etc, etc"..now they cut it out?

Unlike the 360 where BC isn't necessarily one of the big system selling points, for the PS3 BC is something that the 120 million PS2 customers look forward to in the PS3, and were told EVERY PS3 would be capable of by Sony itself..and it gets cut.

(even if you buy the core 360, the BC the 360 is capable of is only a hard drive away. So you'll never have a system that can't be upgraded to do everything the pro or elite can do (I am excluding HDMI. That's an output, not a feature)

While some people may not trade in their old systems when buying new ones, several people do..so unless they know before hand they'll be mighty upset when they get home only to find out their PS2 library won't work in their new $400 PS3.

I'm waiting to see how Sony spins losing the BC in a positive light.

On a funny note, I was watching X-Play not too long ago and Adam Sessler asked Phil Harrison POINT BLANK how he felt about the current sales of the PS3 and it's position as 3rd in the console race..

..Phils reply was almost verbatim "I think the games around me answer that for you/speak for themselves"..

He didn't even TRY to answer the question in any capacity..talk about someone with NO way to spin that positively. Misdirection perhaps?..lol..

My two cents,
Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By MonkeyPaw on 10/9/2007 6:41:16 PM , Rating: 2
I think the PS3 has a severe identity crisis. In less than a year, we've seen 4 different hard disk sizes--20, 40, 60, and 80. The 2 original models are defunct, along with their PS2 hardware emulation. The 80gb model can run BC in software, the 40gb can't. We've seen 3 different prices, $600, $500, and $400. Now we have another color and new controllers. Don't get me wrong, new colors, updated controllers and cheaper prices are all nice things, but feature removal and murky product launches are not. Sure, you could buy a 40GB PS3 for $400, but who knows how long it will be before something else shows up with some other featureset and price tag? Sony is doing everything it can to salvage the PS3, which is struggling to compete with Gamecube sales.

My point is, before PS3 launched, Sony bragged about all it was capable of. Since then, the PS3 has been hacked and cut to the point that all we know for sure is that it will play BluRay Movies and PS3 games. That is a very limited console for $400, especially considering that Sony's competitors are offering a wider gaming experience for less.


RE: Wasn't the price the issue?
By Murst on 10/10/2007 12:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
which is struggling to compete with Gamecube sales

What numbers are you looking at?
quote:
PS3 has been hacked and cut to the point that all we know for sure is that it will play BluRay Movies and PS3 games. That is a very limited console for $400

You're right... because the other consoles provide so much more. The $400 Xbox 360 a year ago was just so far ahead of what Sony is offering...


Meh
By SirLucius on 10/9/2007 1:07:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's nice to have the different color options at presumably the same price point, but I still prefer the black one.

And I must be the only person on the planet that doesn't care about SIXAXIS vs. DualShock. Yeah, the rumble feature is nice, but even in games like Silent Hill or Resident Evil, I've found it to be kinda gimmicky. I guess the controller rumbling just doesn't get me more involved in the game. The only reason I'll probably pick up a DualShock 3 is for the added weight.

The lack of backwards compatibility is going to come back to bite Sony. And even if the majority of people may never even play a PS2 game on the PS3, they aren't going to like Sony removing a feature that's been there since the launch of the system.




RE: Meh
By hkssupra69 on 10/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Meh
By SirLucius on 10/9/2007 2:21:17 PM , Rating: 2
Erm...no, it's more like you don't read. The 40GB PS3 will not support backwards compatibility for PS2 games. They are completely removing all software and hardware emulation.

The article came out on DT 5 days ago:
http://www.dailytech.com/40GB+PlayStation+3+Offici...


RE: Meh
By novacthall on 10/9/2007 2:30:33 PM , Rating: 2
If it's anything like the new 40GB version that is finding its way to Europe at the end of this week, it will not, in fact, have PS2 compatibility. The console will be able to play PS1 games, but will be lacking the software capabilities to handle PS2 games, as covered by DailyTech in this article:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9176

Excerpt:
quote:
Oddly enough, the new 40GB model is not compatible with any PlayStation 2 titles. Dedicated PlayStation 2 hardware was removed previously in a PlayStation 3 hardware revision, though machines still retained some backwards compatibility functions through software emulation. It is still unclear if the 40GB model represents a further simplified PS3 hardware specification, though that is likely the case.
Regarding the rationale for the move:
quote:
Sony UK boss Ray Maguire elaborated in an interview that the company would be “better off” diverting the funds for backwards compatibility into either investing in new games or further reducing the PS3’s price.
I would assume the higher end PS3s, which are not quite as squeezed for a lower price point and arguably cater to a completely different audience all together, will retain their backward compatibility, at least for the immediate future. The desperation to compete in an increasingly two-horse race is what's pushing Sony to this decision, it seems.


RE: Meh
By Zoomer on 10/9/2007 2:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
Please play Fatal Frame (II) and report back.


RE: Meh
By Murst on 10/9/2007 3:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I guess the controller rumbling just doesn't get me more involved in the game

Its not just the Sixaxis though. Steering wheels would not support force feedback if there is no rumble (there were several articles about this before).

GT5 would realy suffer if that was the case.


RE: Meh
By SirLucius on 10/9/2007 3:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
Wouldn't force feedback be built into the actual steering wheel? Or be available as an update for the firmware? It seems weird that force feedback would have to come from the controller for a separate steering wheel.


RE: Meh
By Murst on 10/9/2007 4:27:03 PM , Rating: 2
The feedback has to be triggered by something. When PS3 has no rumble support, there is nothing that would trigger the feedback.

Now that rumble will exist, developers will be adding the triggers for feedback to the games. Existing games will need to be patched to support the feedback.


RE: Meh
By SirLucius on 10/9/2007 4:38:12 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, that makes sense. For a second I forgot developers had to program the feedback controls into the game. Duh, noob-y mistake.


Already For Pre-order
By Flunk on 10/9/2007 1:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
Play-Asia.com already has these on preorder for $399.00. So if you want one and don't live in Japan... Considering the price, I might get one.




RE: Already For Pre-order
By killerroach on 10/9/2007 1:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
Must...resist...buying...

This is a real Catch-22 for me. If only it had backwards compatibility, as a $399 PS3 with DualShock3 and ability to play Japanese PS2 games would've been absolutely impossible to pass up. As it stands, I'll try to have a couple of my Japanese friends look around Akihabara and see if they can find a good deal on a 20GB one :)


RE: Already For Pre-order
By nitrous9200 on 10/9/2007 3:37:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised sony didn't shut them down like lik-sang. I thought they would have found them out by now.


RE: Already For Pre-order
By Orozu on 10/9/2007 6:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's white.
By nitrous9200 on 10/9/2007 3:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
The white doesn't really seem to go with the PS3 that well; the black makes it look sharp and important, where the white makes it look all snuggly but it's kind of weird, to me at least. I wouldn't buy it, but if it's your kind of color scheme, go for it. Rumble controllers aren't that important, it's a nice little addon but it's not a huge deal. It's somewhat useful for driving games to tell where the side of the track is, though.




RE: It's white.
By slunkius on 10/10/2007 6:55:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
but if it's your kind of color scheme, go for it


thank you! i was afraid that black will be the only choice for me...


Cool ...
By deeznuts on 10/9/2007 12:47:15 PM , Rating: 2
Cool for those who like it, I like the black but that's just a preference.




No BC being an issue
By ghost101 on 10/9/2007 2:00:32 PM , Rating: 2
Just wondering. Does anyone who complains about BC being an issue in the PS3 and then goes to buy a 360?




White controlers?
By Rotkiv on 10/9/2007 2:02:06 PM , Rating: 2
How long before they turn a pale, grubby brown?




Playstation 3 link
By Orozu on 10/9/2007 5:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
I found the PlayStation3 Console (HDD 40GB Model) Clear White US$ 399.00 They are takeing Preorders not sure if this is what u are talking about. http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-89uw-71-bo-49-...




By Plasmoid on 10/9/2007 8:29:59 PM , Rating: 2
Problem: The Sixaxis has no rumble... developers want rumble and a lot of PS2 games require or work better with rumble.

Solution: A new pad, The Six-axis with rumble.

Problem: The New Pad isnt coming out in the US and Europe till.... well not for a good few months at least.

Solution: Well, ignore the Americans and take the ps2 backwards compatibility out of the EU PS3's... then they wont need the pads.

Next time on smart ass does Problems and Solutions...

Problem: Everyone in Europe just realised the 40gb PS3 costs twice as much in Europe as in Japan, doesnt come with the DS3 and there is no 60gb or 80gb model, and they just torched SCEE hq...




"No BC, No Care."
By Chris Peredun on 10/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Locutus465 on 10/9/2007 1:00:38 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly lack of BC is about the best thing MS could have hoped for... Sure there's a PS3 to compete in the same price range as 360 now... But lacking even mediocer BC is it worth it?


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By BZDTemp on 10/9/2007 2:14:59 PM , Rating: 3
It's PS2 BC that is gone there is still PS1 BC and it's not like the BC on the 360 is perfect. Beside with the more than 100 mill PS2 sold finding a cheap 2nd hand one should be easy and then one has perfect BC.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By daftrok on 10/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Murst on 10/9/2007 3:08:06 PM , Rating: 2
Can you provide a link that supports your claim that there's no PS1 support? Everything I've read so far indicates that PS1 support is still in the new version.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By bplewis24 on 10/9/2007 3:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.psu.com/SCEE-explains-loss-of-PS2-bc-fo...

quote:
Fortunately, it was revealed that all PS3 consoles contain the necessary architecture allowing them to play PSone games, a factor no different with the 40GB model, explained Sharples.


While that doesn't excuse the loss of BC for PS2 games (which is a mistake IMO), the PS1 BC is indeed there.

Brandon


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Locutus465 on 10/9/2007 11:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
You're right, BC on the 360 is mediocer... Which is why I described it that way :)


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Naviblue on 10/9/2007 1:07:54 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, I wish they would include the Dualshock 3 controller with the 60 gig models because honestly there aren't any great PS3 titles yet so the ability to play PS2 titles is almost a requirement.

I really believe that's why people have not bought the PS3 in droves because there really isn't any really good reasons to at the moment and the steep price doesn't help at all. Okay now, yes, they are reducing the price but they're taking away one of it's selling points, PS2 compatibiity, jeez Sony...


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Zandros on 10/9/2007 1:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
But the price might? It's cheap for a decent (or better) Blu-ray player in any case.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Legionosh on 10/9/2007 1:54:02 PM , Rating: 4
It is a good price for a Blu-Ray player (although you will have to spend $25 for the remote. It's not a necessity but it's a much better option than using the siaxis)..I own a 60GB myself.

I always thought though..

..if Sony had made the PS3 DVD9 based they could've launched MONTHS earlier, at a lower price and probably be WAY ahead of where they are now.

Granted there would be no Blu-Ray games, but from I've seen the difference hasn't been great enough (by any stretch) to justify the cost Blu-Ray added to the PS3.

(and since you physically can't fit a higher res texture into the PS3 memory subsystem than you can in the 360 memory subsystem due to them both having 512MB of memory, all things being equal, the same game physically can't look better on the PS3..so I don't see how Sony can claim games can look better when it more or less physically impossible)

Sort of a catch 22..all the way around. From the low install base, to the devs reluctant to make exclusives, etc, etc..

(at least they have the royalties from Blu-Ray movie and player sales to help tide things over)

Let's see what the Holidays bring.

Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Chaser on 10/9/2007 2:07:28 PM , Rating: 1
Maybe only a floppy drive would have had it out years in advance? And who needs a hard drive? Thats not important either. Damn Sony. Curse you. Just kidding.

I watched a Fantastic 4 Rise of the Surfer on Blue Ray last night. With DTS, 1080P and numerous bonus materials: like interviews with Stan Lee, a couple writers, and many other bonus materials. The video quality was beautiful and surround audio equally stunning. Fox listened to their customer base and made a great release on a single Blue Ray disk. I bought it at Target for $27.99.

If you are interested you can read the review here:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/reviews.html

Cheers.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By gradoman on 10/9/2007 3:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think he's saying that they shouldn't have tried to make that advancement, he's trying to say that if Sony wanted to push more systems out, DVD9 would have sufficed; the PS3 would be cheaper and be, price-wise, more competitive with the other consoles out.

Good to hear you're enjoying your Blu-Ray player though. :'( It is pretty cheap for Blu-Ray player, but I thought the point was for it to be a Gaming Console first and foremost.

Let me know if I'm wrong.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Legionosh on 10/10/2007 12:24:18 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for clarifying that gradoman. That is exactly what I meant to say (I'm usually pretty clear on my posts..my apologies).

The console industry (well ever industry) needs advancement. I wasn't implying Sony shouldn't have tried to up the ante so to speak.

I'll be sure to clarify my position next time.

Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By CRimer76 on 10/9/2007 3:06:16 PM , Rating: 3
But PS3 developers can get more creative with the streaming to the available RAM because every PS3 has a hard drive. Look at what they were able to get out of the PS2 and it had only like 4MB, but they were able to stream it into the memory because of the crazy memory bandwidth. GT4 in 1080i with that little memory?

And backward compatibility is no big loss. There are enough good games coming out in the next couple of months. I doubt little Billy is gonna want to play his PS2 games Christmas morning on his shiny new PS3.

I think the only thing that has hurt PS3 sales is rolling it out at $600.00. It's not too late for them though. They are on the right track.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Murst on 10/9/2007 3:12:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I think the only thing that has hurt PS3 sales is rolling it out at $600.00. It's not too late for them though. They are on the right track.

Even at $600, they've matched (if not passed) the 360 sales, when you compare the first year of release. That's pretty good considering it cost much more.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By ViperROhb34 on 10/9/2007 7:12:42 PM , Rating: 2
PS3 has not even matched Xbox 360 sales .. In the new consoles from the big 3 makers the PS3 is in 3rd place.. yes they've gotten closer to Xbox 360's month to month sales .. and there have been a couple close months..but they have not surpassed Xbox, as the Wii was able to do in overall sales ..


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Murst on 10/9/2007 10:13:07 PM , Rating: 2
Let me elaborate, cause you obviously missed what I was saying. If you compare the Xbox 360 sales in the first 10 months to the PS3 sales in the first 10 months, the numbers are almost identical.

Even better... take a look at http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All... , they do it for you.

Its also interesting to see how the Wii destroys the 360 and PS3 in this comparison.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By driven2excell on 10/9/2007 10:21:41 PM , Rating: 2
PS3 has sold almost the same amount of consoles as the xbox360 has sold in first year sales of both consoles.THATS A FACT!!!! Go to www,vgchartz.com and you'll see ps3 has sold half as many consoles as the xbox360 given the xbox360 has been out a year earlier than the ps3.REMEMBER we said first year sales of both consoles!!!!! AND also there are great games out for the ps3,MOTORSTORM,GHOST RECON:ADVANCED WARFIGHTER 2,RAINBOW SIX:VEGAS,F.E.A.R.,SPLINTER CELL:DOULBLE AGENT,more exclusives like WARHAWK,FOLKLORE,and LAIR,NBA LIVE 08,NBA 2K8,SKATE,ELDER SROLLS:OBLIVION,STUNT MAN:IGNITION,and MANY MORE.....Go to www.gamestop.com and look them up!YOU sound like a ms fanboy anyway so all your replies will be BIAS and not looked at on both sides.But dont get me wrong halo 3 sold off the meter sales.BUT people will always remember the RED RING OF DEATH problem with the xbox360 has had with its consoles shutting down.People speculated that a lot of the xbox360 were overheating causing the RROD(repair costs millions)


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Murst on 10/9/2007 10:42:28 PM , Rating: 2
I think your response looks like you're rather biased towards the PS3 :)

Each console has great games...

BTW, I assume you only meant to say Warhawk and Folklore are exclusives, cause the other games that follow are available on multiple platforms.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Murst on 10/10/2007 12:21:01 AM , Rating: 2
Oops, and Lair.

Although I wouldn't consider Lair a great game. Different people have different tastes though... Lair is a pretty big hit in Japan.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By driven2excell on 10/9/2007 10:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
I guess VIPERR...... has NO COMMENT! CASE CLOSED! WE'LL SEE WHAT THE SALES LOOK LIKE IN 2008!! KILLZONE 2 and METAL GEAR SOLID 4 comes out 1st qtr 2008 and Nov.07 will be a great month for fps shooter games for the ps3-AREA 51:BLACKSITE,CALL OF DUTY 4:MODERN WARFARE,HAZE,JERICHO,ARMY OF TWO,ASSASSIN'S CREED,TIME CRISIS 4,etc. driven2excell


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Locutus465 on 10/9/2007 11:49:48 PM , Rating: 2
Halo 3 is the only game that matters ;)

j/k But there are great games on the 360, just as I'm sure eventually one day there will be for the PS3 as well. Obviously I'm a big fan the the halo series, but I'm also loving Overlord, DirT (this will be available on PS3 as well), DOA4, Fusion Frenzy 2, Kameo list goes on... Then there's the upcoming games... At any rate, I guess BTW, a lot of those games you put in your post will be 360 games as well (as some of the games I posted are also PS3 games)... Turns out no matter what platform you buy there's a good deal of cross over :)


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Legionosh on 10/10/2007 12:48:17 PM , Rating: 2
..that's a good point CRimer76, but you almost make it sound like the 360 isn't capable of the same thing..almost. ;-)

(and the PS3 would have to have some uber crazy bandwidth to stream 1080p worthy resolution textures into the subsystem and not have it be a slideshow..either that or have a loading screen every 30 seconds)

That being said you know as well as I that the memory size dictates the texture size and resolution..meaning that they can't fit a higher rez texture into the PS3 than they can into the 360, since they both have 512MB.

(the point there being Sony claims of Only Blu-Ray providing "true HD gaming" doesn't necessarily jive the way they want the public believe..I think you see my point here..)

Granted the PS3 "only" has 256MB of video memory, but Sony did say at one point that the devs COULD access the 256MB of system memory if need be, so I'll make that even ground.

The fact that every PS3 has hard drive DOES make it a ton easier on the DEVs and I think MS should've made the HD standard from the get go, but that's not the case.

Both systems have pretty insane system bandwidth, although I would give the overall system efficiency edge to the PS3, while the 10MB embedded DRAM on the 360 GPU has the edge as far as frame buffering, but since the 360 GPU also serves as the southbridge it definitely could've been designed a little better.

GT4 did look good, but for whatever reason it never got close to reaching the level of consumer interest that GT3 did...you know how much you and I played GT3 my man..it was crazy. But that is not a knock against the technical achievement of the system running it in 1080i.

I know you don't think losing BC is a big deal, but I personally see people in Gamestop all the time looking for PS2 games to play on their PS3.

..maybe when the PS3 library is larger that won't be a factor, but at this point in the system lifespan I do think it will play a factor.

Maybe it won't be a big deal, and if I'm wrong you know I'll admit it..

..and honestly I wish them well. I didn't pay $500 for my PS3 to only watch movies..lol. Let the games begin my friend.

Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Locutus465 on 10/9/2007 11:43:08 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me or is the PS3 remote a bit busy? I have to admit I have no first hand experience so obviously I can't say anything diffinitive. But just looking at it in the store as compared to my 360 multimedia remote, the PS3 one really seems to be busy.

I'm sure not everyone out there will really care as much as me, but personally I'm a fan of simple streemlined remotes. At least for my needs, I find the 360 remote to be perfect. Though I wouldn't be supprised to find that the PS3 one is more versital, the 360 remote operates as a fairly basic universal remote.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By snooze091 on 10/9/2007 6:57:18 PM , Rating: 2
you realize if you're looking for BC because you have PS2 games you most likly allready own a PS2 right? i don't think too many people buy a PS3 to play there favorite PS2 game. i own a PS3 and i've used it one time for BC. In a year, once a few more games come out, do you think anyone will care there PS3 dosen't play PS2 games? Quit being 360 fanboys and saying everything sony does is wrong, if you want BC then you can pay an extra $100 for it. People complained because it was too expensive so they answered, something had to go.

Until they give you like $50 for picking up a PS3 you kids will never be happy.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Locutus465 on 10/9/2007 11:52:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure there are plenty of people that would love to consolodate down to the fewest number of consoles possible, i.e. just have a PS3 rather than PS3 + PS2 + PS1 etc... Sony seems to have forgotten this in the name of simplifying the design of the system, unfortunetly for me MS never really seemed to care that much :(

Though at least on the 360 side all the games I actually *care* about were supported, so yay for that.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By Chris Peredun on 10/10/2007 12:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm sure there are plenty of people that would love to consolodate down to the fewest number of consoles possible, i.e. just have a PS3 rather than PS3 + PS2 + PS1 etc


Minimizing clutter is part of the equation.

The other is that being the technologically obsessive older brother to a ten-year-old, he gets a steady supply of hand-me-down gadgetry in excellent shape. Since I know I'm not the only one in this position, by removing BC from the 40GB PS3, they've essentially taken perfectly useful PS2s from the hands of younger siblings everywhere.

(Yes, that was a "think of the children" argument.)


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By snooze091 on 10/10/2007 9:34:08 PM , Rating: 2
ok, if your brother has been getting PS2 games, i'm gunna guess that you have a PS2 to play those ones right now... i don't see a huge problem here, yes it would be nice to put it all on one, but then again you could go out and pay $100 more for that option. If you really don't like it wait awhile, eventually there will be a PS3 with BC and all that other crap for way lower price.

Most of you act like sony wants to sell it for that much. Are you kidding me? if they could sell it for less they would, the fact is companys have to make money. They chose to put some expensive parts in there, right now its costing them a lot of money/costumers but down the road when its cheap as hell to make i think a lot of people are going to be pretty happy at what it can do.


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By phatboye on 10/9/2007 7:39:11 PM , Rating: 1
Instead of removing BC Sony should try removing the BD and dropping the price by $150. Those PS3s would sale like hotcakes then :D


RE: "No BC, No Care."
By thebaka07 on 10/26/2007 10:06:01 PM , Rating: 2
Hello Sony fanboys. I think you're fanboys since you own ps3 right( sarcastically)?

Removing BC is wrong thing to do however hard you try to reason and defend everything that Sony did. Dropping the price to $400 is the right thing to do and finally I can afford it.

Still they are tons of ps2 games that I missed especially those jrpg's and buying ps3 is the only option since 1 year from now there will be great games for the ps3 that I wanna play and getting ps3 is a good long term investment since only poor games are out now and i can play most of them on my 360.

Wii is not for me so I am a very 360ps3 kind of guy so the cheaper they became the bettter.

By the way, I am one of those lucky guys whose launch day Xbox360 never had a RRoD problem. thank God.

Even my ps1 is still fine but my ps2 + TV was striked by a lighting so...


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