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Will prevent prisoners from partaking in criminal business

The U.S. House of Representatives approved the Cell Phone Contraband Act of 2010 (S. 1749) on Tuesday which is a bill that prohibits the use of wireless devices like cell phones by Federal prisoners. 

According to Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-California), those in federal prisons have used cell phones to lead criminal business inside and outside of the prison, including drug operations, credit card fraud, and gang hits. Clearly defining cell phones as contraband will eliminate this abuse of cell phone use. 

The bill was introduced in October 2009 and the Senate approved it in April of this year. Now that it has passed through the House of Representatives, this cell phone bill only needs to be signed by President Barack Obama to become law.

Cell phones, up to this point, have been banned from prisons, but not clearly identified as contraband through law. Most cell phones are smuggled into federal prisons', and when prisoner's are caught with them, they are rarely punished. Feinstein noted that a corrupt correctional officer in the state of California recently made approximately $150,000 in one year by selling cell phones at $500 to $1,000 a piece to prisoners. 

But that is all about to change if the President signs this bill. Any prisoners caught with a cell phone or anyone caught smuggling a cell phone to an inmate will be punished with one year in prison, according to the latest reports.

In addition, cell phone signal jamming in and around prisons has been petitioned by state governments as a precautionary move in case some prisoners manage to smuggle wireless devices in despite the new potential law. 

Even cell phone representatives seem to be on board with the new bill, despite the fact that they could lose some business in the process.

"CTIA and the wireless industry are pleased that the House joined the Senate in passing this important piece of legislation which would prohibit the possession or use of cell phones by federal prisoners," said Steve Largent, CTIA Wireless Association President and CEO. "We strongly oppose prisoners having access to contraband phones and believe inmates, and anyone who supplies them with a device, should be severely punished."

Turning this bill into law will prohibit prisoners from involving themselves in criminal-related activities, but Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.) notes that not all prisoners are using cell phones for this purpose. According to Scott, some prisoners are legitimately trying to call home to their families, and use cell phones because they are forced to call collect at an increased cost to the recipient of the phone call. 



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Okay...
By MrBlastman on 7/22/2010 11:24:29 AM , Rating: 1
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Turning this bill into law will prohibit prisoners from involving themselves in criminal-related activities


You can not prohibit anyone from involving themself in a criminal-related activity, unless, of course, you execute them first. Otherwise, they are breathing, thinking, sentient lifeforms that have free will which permits them to do something that is criminal.

With as many absurd, wasteful laws on our books, there is bound to ALWAYS be something someone can do to commit a crime.

Okay, maybe you could strap them down in their cells all day long, but, that itself would be breaking a human rights law of its own. So, really, you can't stop someone from committing a crime if they really want to do it.

Slapping another year onto their sentence does not hinder them from doing it. If money is to be made, they'll take that risk. The only people that have something to lose here are the prison guards.

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but Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.) notes that not all prisoners are using cell phones for this purpose. According to Scott, some prisoners are legitimately trying to call home to their families, and use cell phones because they are forced to call collect at an increased cost to the recipient of the phone call.


These people are in jail, not a resort, Mr. Bobby Scott. They are not there to be able to get pedicures, manicures (okay, the gay-pop might think so), a back massage, work out in the gym and eat free food (okay, maybe prison is becoming a resort), they are there to be kept out of society.

Cell phones, to a prisoner, are a luxury. Isn't the idea behind prison to punish them? This bleeding-heart liberal needs to get a clue.




RE: Okay...
By Aloonatic on 7/22/2010 11:37:04 AM , Rating: 1
Criminal related activities?

What does that mean? Policing is a criminal related activity. Working in the kitchen at a prison is a criminal related activity.

Seems like an pretty p-poor choice of words, but I think that we all know what they mean.

I mist admit, I'm quite surprised to see that something like this wasn't already in law. In the UK you get an automatic 2 year sentence for being caught with a mobile phone. Even if you're a prison officer and you just forget that it's in your pocket.


RE: Okay...
By LRonaldHubbs on 7/22/2010 11:55:58 AM , Rating: 4
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Even if you're a prison officer and you just forget that it's in your pocket.

I'm going to go ahead and call BS on that. You are talking about UK and not China, right?

I'm pretty sure that if a guard was caught with a phone in the UK they would be reprimanded, maybe punished, and an investigation would occur to determine if dismissal or prison time were necessary. But if it is taken as seriously as you suggest, then I would imagine the daily routine of a prison guard is such that it wouldn't be possible to just *forget* that it was in their pocket. Strict policies and the possibility of accidental incrimination do not go hand-in-hand, at least not when it comes self-policing, which is what that amounts to. Or maybe I'm just giving the policy-makers too much credit; maybe they really are that stupid.


RE: Okay...
By MrBlastman on 7/22/2010 12:09:40 PM , Rating: 4
He might not be making it up. Just look at all the cameras and other big-brother sanctioned activities by the British Government. The truth might not be so far from the comment he made.


RE: Okay...
By Aloonatic on 7/22/2010 1:28:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm only going on what I was told by a prison officer that I was talking to the other day.


RE: Okay...
By Nfarce on 7/22/2010 1:04:29 PM , Rating: 3
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In the UK you get an automatic 2 year sentence for being caught with a mobile phone.


A lot of these criminals are in for 20+ years and even life. Do you really believe another year or two tacked on to their sentence is going to deter banned cell phone usage, which is simply nothing but another venue to continue their criminal activities?


RE: Okay...
By Aloonatic on 7/22/2010 1:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I didn't make the law :o) and it's not aimed at the 20 year sentence criminal, but the "little" people who might be bring a phone in for them I suppose.


RE: Okay...
By tastyratz on 7/23/2010 10:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
And what better punishment do you propose? a finger?

The idea is that it becomes a deterrent with consequences. While those in for life or long sentences might not care as much, their "vendor" pool shrinks significantly. Anyone who wants to do anything illegal is very likely to find a way to do so. Prisoners are still going to get cell phones in prison, this just makes it that much harder.
I am in support.


RE: Okay...
By JDub02 on 7/22/2010 12:09:45 PM , Rating: 1
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These people are in jail, not a resort, Mr. Bobby Scott. They are not there to be able to get pedicures, manicures (okay, the gay-pop might think so), a back massage, work out in the gym and eat free food (okay, maybe prison is becoming a resort), they are there to be kept out of society.

Cell phones, to a prisoner, are a luxury. Isn't the idea behind prison to punish them? This bleeding-heart liberal needs to get a clue.


Bobby Scott's district encompasses Norfolk and Newport News. Most of his constituents (and probably voters) are prisoners. He's just looking out for them ... and his upcoming campaign.

It is now clear that you are racist because you had the audacity to disagree with an African-American politician. Where's the NAALCP when you need them?


RE: Okay...
By Obujuwami on 7/22/2010 1:59:08 PM , Rating: 3
Prisoners can't vote once convicted of a felony. They also can't own guns, get a stable well paying job, or contribute to society even after they pay their debt to society. If we're gonna change something, how about actually rehabilitating our prison population to come out of prison with a set of skills that can land them a job.

I have a friend that did 2 years in San Quintin and can't get a job better than junior tech because of his record. His crime had nothing to do with tech, but he still can't get promoted and he has been told, unofficially of course, that its because of his record.


RE: Okay...
By JDub02 on 7/22/2010 2:37:05 PM , Rating: 2
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Prisoners can't vote once convicted of a felony.


No, convicted felons are not legally allowed to vote. But, as we have learned from past elections (Minnesota 2008), there are plenty of felons that do vote.


RE: Okay...
By MindParadox on 7/22/2010 2:41:52 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, as a convicted felon i can vote, now that my sentence is completely finished. however, i am not allowed to live in most apartment complexes, trailer parks, or housing communities with a Homeowners Association, as most of them require background checks(basically a felon:yes/no check) before you can live there

basically meaning that as a felon i can't get a job decent enough to live where i am allowed to(90% of companies simply wont hire felons outright, including some fast food chains, and gas stations), requiring me to lie, or have someone else sign the lease so that i can live where i can actually afford

they REALLY need to work on removing the stigmata for non violent felonies, or removing the felon status once your sentence has been completely served, for the lesser felonies, such as entering auto(breaking into a car) or felony trespassing, things like that.


RE: Okay...
By ClownPuncher on 7/22/2010 3:54:58 PM , Rating: 2
Stigma. Stigmata is the visual/sensory representation of the wounds suffered during the crucifixion of Christ.


RE: Okay...
By jjsimp on 7/22/2010 2:45:30 PM , Rating: 5
Like the taxpayer doesn't pay for enough for these criminals. I already dislike that these criminals are given amenities, like TV, Books, and education and now you want us to pay for further education.
As far as I am concerned they can sit in a cell all day looking at the ceiling reflecting on the crap they've done. Man, I am glad I don't live in CA with the rest of you bleeding hearts.


RE: Okay...
By Darkefire on 7/22/2010 5:19:24 PM , Rating: 4
Except they won't reflect on what they've done, except maybe to figure out how not to get caught the next time. We attach such a stigma to criminals in this country that when somebody with even a relatively small amount of jail time on their record gets out of prison their options are severely limited (as a previous commenter mentioned). That leaves them with two choices: try and make do living as a second-class citizen, or return to a life of crime to make ends meet. If I'm already footing the bill for their food and medical expenses while they serve their time, I'd gladly throw in a couple extra dollars for some textbooks and a teacher if it meant they could get a job when they get out instead of making a living by mugging me or breaking into my house/car. Your choices are to either pay for their rehabilitation or to pay for their living expenses while they're between crime sprees. Unless you want to simply shoot everyone that commits a felony; it would solve those nagging issues with spending tax dollars on criminals, but you might not enjoy that policy if you ever find yourself on the wrong side of a courtroom.


RE: Okay...
By RealTheXev on 7/22/2010 9:44:16 PM , Rating: 2
I had a cousin who had a lot of run-ins with the law as a minor. Kept getting tossed into Juvi, didn’t graduate from High School. Parents even tried sending him to military school, nothing seemed to work… until he turned 18 and had to serve 2 years in prison.

He came out with his GED, and it’s still hard for him to make a living, but he’s busting his ass for his kids to turn himself around. He was finally able to put the distance between him and the people he used to hang out with as a kid. If it wasn’t for the education program in prison, he wouldn’t have been able to put himself away from that. He was also able to learn a valuable skill that his dad was able to teach him: welding. It’s not hard (around here) to find a shop that will take you if you are a decent welder, because they are in such high demand, they are willing to give you a shot, even if you are a felon.

So many of these places, they’re almost completely run by "former" felons, so you are with people who have been in your situation, done that… it’s good for him. I’m proud he’s come as far as he as, but I’m sure others don’t have those same kinds of opportunities.


RE: Okay...
By SilthDraeth on 7/23/2010 2:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
Except his dad taught him to weld. Not the prison education system.

Not saying that education system isn't valid.

But if he hadn't gotten in trouble with the law, and just learned to weld from his dad from the get go, he would of been just as well off, if not even more so.


the bill needs a rider
By RamarC on 7/22/2010 11:24:30 AM , Rating: 5
to install cell scramblers inside the prisons to disrupt cell signals. end of problem.




RE: the bill needs a rider
By Aloonatic on 7/22/2010 11:42:03 AM , Rating: 2
I suppose that would depend on where the prisons are. In the UK a lot of prisons are in built up areas, some even just a stones throw from city centres, so they would probably interfere with people just outside the prison too, who have every right to use their mobile phones. If they are all miles away from anywhere, or where they are, then maybe it would work.

How that much they interfere with other forms of communication such radios will be an issue too. I assume that the guards carry to communicate with each other when they walking around, doing their job.


RE: the bill needs a rider
By phattyboombatty on 7/22/2010 1:53:26 PM , Rating: 2
There's a lot more space in the U.S., so almost all of the prisons are in rural areas out in the middle of nowhere. But even if the prisons were located in built-up areas like you mentioned, the range of the cell phone jammers can be dialed in to a specific area so that it wouldn't interfere with communications outside the prison walls.


You've got to be kidding, right??
By frobizzle on 7/22/2010 11:35:33 AM , Rating: 1
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Feinstein noted that a corrupt correctional officer in the state of California recently made approximately $150,000 in one year by selling cell phones at $500 to $1,000 a piece to prisoners.

Huh? How do they get $500 to $1000 to spend on a cell phone in prison? (I also wonder if their carrier is AT&T and they experience a lot of dropped calls! LOL!)
quote:
According to Scott, some prisoners are legitimately trying to call home to their families

Uh, no they're not. They are not supposed to be calling anywhere (other than what the authorities sanction) so their calls are anything but legitimate, no matter who they are calling.




RE: You've got to be kidding, right??
By DFranch on 7/22/2010 12:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Huh? How do they get $500 to $1000 to spend on a cell phone in prison? (I also wonder if their carrier is AT&T and they experience a lot of dropped calls! LOL!)

Somebody on the outside pays.


By phattyboombatty on 7/22/2010 1:55:00 PM , Rating: 2
That's most often the case, but cash is smuggled into the prison just like any other types of contraband.


i support....
By inperfectdarkness on 7/22/2010 1:48:18 PM , Rating: 4
increased progression towards the maricopa county penal system.

http://prisonphotography.wordpress.com/2009/02/05/...

no amenities, middle of nowhere. nothing but concertina wire & pink sheets.




Lil' Wayne
By nafhan on 7/22/2010 12:03:20 PM , Rating: 3
How's Lil' Wayne going to continue recording new music if they ban cell phones? So, sad...




By rika13 on 7/22/2010 3:04:12 PM , Rating: 1
99% of what prisons have is because of inmates or their families

all the state provides is a cell, a rec yard because they are required to (the famous weights are from the inmates' and families' donations, so are the tv's, cable and many other things), very basic hygiene supplies, clothing, and bedding, the state typically runs a commissary, selling low quality items at usually exorbitant prices

American prisons are some of the worst in the developed world due to the complete lack of humanity and respect (as citizens and humans) allowed the prisoners and former prisoners

all prisoners in America are ineligible to vote and are to executed immediately if the nation is under attack from a foreign power, many states ban felons from voting or holding office, not to mention the election-year "lets screw the sex offenders for votes because everyone hates them"; the food is of flagrantly low quality and will not sustain an inmate without additional nutrition from the commissary, they will provide an alternate for religious reasons, but not medical, hygiene supplies and even provisions provided upon release (clothing and such) are of similar intentionally low quality, forcing inmates to purchase their own; many of the facilities are unsafe, Joilet was closed in 2002 for this reason, but took inmates for intake until 2004, medical care requires bureaucracy, however, disease seems to not care and TB has run rampant across prisons for centuries; "security" heavily interferes with communications outside the facility, very strict limits on the amount of mail and obscene collect call charges (over $20/minute to the called party, none of which is disclosed until the bill comes); higher education is almost a lie, as the Pell grant is specifically denied to prisoners (people whined, and it gets votes to screw over prisoners, whom cant vote) and many states now require prisoners to pay out of pocket for tuition expenses (Illinois does if you get a degree)

even after one exits prison, a prisoner is still locked up; being in a alien culture, sometimes for decades, with only television and fresh inmates to keep one aware, many seek to return to prison to the culture they do know and commit heinous acts to get back in; many places refuse to hire felons; sex offenders get it worse (especially during election years) as many times their names are publicly available or are required to mark their dwellings, if not forced to move due to n-foot laws (Miami made all sex offenders in the city live under a single bridge camp x-ray style with Florida DOC running the colony, due to a 4000-foot law which covered every square inch of the city, including said bridge), parole is a heavier burden upon inmates as it is not the parole of the 50's where you simply kept your nose clean but now is house arrest usually, making things like work, shopping, paying bills and such an exercise in permission gathering

most of the public idiotically supports this crap, not knowing that it is a big reason why recidivism is so high and why most inmates hate society so much, as our prison and legal systems are practically designed to turn people into hardened criminals




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