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Capcom will introduce one-save game support for "Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D" for the Nintendo 3DS
So far, only "Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D" for the Nintendo 3DS has been confirmed as a one-save game

With new video games hitting store shelves at $60 a pop, it's easy to see why the used game market is a successful one. Not everyone can afford to buy every new title as it comes out, so resorting to a used copy or swapping with friends is the next best thing. But now, Capcom is putting an end to any chance of saving some money by introducing one-save games.

One-save games make certain video games a one-time-only soiree. Once you play through the game entirely, unlocking all of the hidden treasures and extras, a user will not be able to erase the game's data and start over again. What does this mean? The next person who plays a used copy can only continue playing the saved data with that particular player's settings, and cannot start over fresh for their own personal gaming experience. 

So far, only "Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D" for the Nintendo 3DS has been confirmed as a one-save game. The one-save feature has been added to the game's manual in both the U.S. and U.K.

Capcom is looking to make one-save games in what seems to be an attempt to demolish the used video game market and make more money on new titles. Used video game sales do not benefit video game publishers, and only time will tell how this one-save game feature will affect Capcom's profits. 

One has to wonder if other video game publishers will follow suit.



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Used games?
By MrTeal on 6/28/2011 10:42:05 AM , Rating: 5
That's the least of Capcom's problems. They're going to have a shitstorm on their hands when someone beats a game and then wants to replay the game they bought later and can't. What were they thinking?




RE: Used games?
By kattanna on 6/28/2011 10:44:49 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
What were they thinking?


that you would love the game SOOO much you would buy it twice???

;>)


RE: Used games?
By quiksilvr on 6/28/2011 12:07:42 PM , Rating: 1
If anything screams for digital download, its the console market. Bring the prices down to $50 and just have a download. Done and done. And depending on sales, the price will drop. Steam has sales all the time for games and promotions and whatnot. It's the best solution for everyone IMO.


RE: Used games?
By kattanna on 6/28/2011 12:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
aye. im sure there are enough PS3/XBOX360 owners with HD's that would love to have some sort of steam app where they could buy a game, download it and its kept up to date automatically.

steam on my PC works great!

it has to be some bean counter/licensing issue that has prevented it from happening so far.

we have one here who cant see past his spreadsheet to realize that while he might have saved the company $5 this time around, it has costed us future work by looking overly cheap and unwilling to take care of our customers.


RE: Used games?
By nikon133 on 6/28/2011 5:22:43 PM , Rating: 2
Well... don't know how that works on X360, but much as PS3 is concerned, you can purchase and DL number of full-size games from PSN. They get attached to your account and you can re-download them if you need to, much as I know.

But problem with this is, many PS3s have 120GB HDD or smaller, so you cannot really keep too many full games on system at once. Additionally, you cannot backup games to external drives for storage... so you'd have to kill game from console and re-download it later should you decide to play that game again. Not to mention that, being spoiled with BR capacity, some developers will pack huge amount of data - HD cut scenes for example. Such games would be too much of an effort for DL, even if console HDD could handle the size.


RE: Used games?
By hanmen on 7/1/2011 11:02:18 AM , Rating: 2
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RE: Used games?
By ClownPuncher on 6/28/2011 12:22:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I'm sure the publishers have our best interests in mind.


RE: Used games?
By Suganami on 6/28/2011 1:21:37 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yea, absolutely. Who DOESN'T trust fantastic companies like EA, Activision, Microsoft, etc. to keep our best interests in mind.


RE: Used games?
By christojojo on 6/30/2011 9:01:28 AM , Rating: 2
I would plus one both of the sarcasms, but, I am afraid someone would misinterpret you as being serious. So that you guys don't lose my vote "plus ONE" to you both. ;)


RE: Used games?
By Suganami on 6/28/2011 12:32:17 PM , Rating: 3
Totally agree. I'm mostly a PC gamer, and I've migrated completely over to steam for my entire game collection. Never a bunch of discs to keep track of, and always right there for access. Great deals at least 2 to 3 times a month. I'd probably get more into console gaming if they'd offer a cloud version of every game coming out. I'm sure it'll happen eventually.


RE: Used games?
By fuzzlefizz on 6/28/2011 12:51:39 PM , Rating: 5
Digital downloads are great... only exception being that most games are getting larger and larger.

Portal 2 is 7.5Gb of disk space, took me a good while downloading that. Witcher 2 is 14Gb, I would hate to have to download that over my internet connection.

Discs are here to stay until internet speeds improve.


RE: Used games?
By threepac3 on 6/28/2011 1:15:27 PM , Rating: 2
I downloaded infamous 2 (digital ver.) from PSN the other day. It ended taking all night and most of the mourning to finish. The download was 15GB.


RE: Used games?
By Zoomer on 6/28/2011 10:58:46 PM , Rating: 2
At 10 Mbps, it should only take 3.4 hours to download. What's causing the slowdown?


RE: Used games?
By geekman1024 on 6/29/2011 1:18:53 AM , Rating: 3
erhm, some jerks in his apartment was torrentting HD porn videos, perhaps?
*shrug*


RE: Used games?
By Ristogod on 6/29/2011 9:42:55 AM , Rating: 3
Uh, this is America we are talking about here. 10Mbps is not the norm. You usually have to live in a highly populated area to get such speeds.


RE: Used games?
By Motoman on 6/29/2011 10:59:23 AM , Rating: 2
People are stupid.

3Mb is the best I can get. And for the most part, it's fine. I have no troubles living with that speed...but I know lots of people who can't even get that, and are getting by using Verizon wireless service for example.


RE: Used games?
By MonkeyPaw on 6/28/2011 3:30:29 PM , Rating: 5
What about data caps? At every corner, you hit a jam. No bandwidth to download, and game companies holding you upside down, shaking every dime out of you. It has all turned me off so much that I'm about to hang it up on gaming. Can I still loan board games to friends?


RE: Used games?
By christojojo on 6/30/2011 9:53:33 AM , Rating: 2
Yes you can loan board games to friends for a small monthly fee. But we will through in a hat for the character you need to buy. For me its the micro-transactions that are sucking the life out of gaming.


RE: Used games?
By invidious on 7/20/2011 3:52:06 PM , Rating: 2
I picture it now, single use board games. The board dessintegrates two hours after opening the packaging.

Still full price of course...


RE: Used games?
By Chernobyl68 on 6/28/2011 4:11:06 PM , Rating: 2
true to an extent, but game sizes keep going up, just like operating systems. Used to be it all fit on a CD. Now you need multiple DVDs sometimes. You have to wonder if one will ever catch the other.


RE: Used games?
By geekman1024 on 6/29/2011 1:20:57 AM , Rating: 3
DOS 5.0 fits on a 1.44MB Floppy Disk...


RE: Used games?
By Samus on 6/29/2011 1:54:28 AM , Rating: 2
For mobile consoles, digital downloads make all too much sense. It allows for a smaller, simpler console. Embed a large amount (64GB) of low-speed NAND (the kind in a class 4 SD card) for about $40-50 and you have room for literally hundreds of 3DS games (which are anywhere from 30MB-500MB.) They are downloaded via internet and locked to the consoles user account or the consoles serial #. Make the games 25% cheaper and I don't think anybody will complain, except the distributors that aren't getting their vig.


RE: Used games?
By Alexvrb on 6/28/2011 8:04:11 PM , Rating: 2
They already do this on PSN and XBL all day long. Steam is cheaper a lot of the time, but otherwise they serve the same basic service. I like Steam as it is right now, but there's no guarantee that it will always be awesome. A major change in Valve management could happen some day.

But here's something to chew on: a digital download can't be resold as a used game either. You can replay it, of course, but you can't resell it. I'm personally OK with that, because I generally don't resell games. Digital ones don't even take up any shelf space, just HDD space, so I don't have to worry about where I'm going to put them.


RE: Used games?
By lexluthermiester on 7/2/2011 9:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
Totally disagree. I'm sick to death of micro-managed digital download BS. I want PHYSICAL MEDIA !

But hey, what do I know. I'm only a Nintendo generation geek who has watched the industry evolve from a business model of creating great and well made games to the drivel we see being marketed as "awesome" when in fact it's just sloppy half debugged garbage... I haven't seen a truly great game come out of anyone in a long time... I miss the days when a well made game took 4 months to story-board, 18 months to make and 8 more to perfect... I happily paid $80 for Final Fantasy 3[the US version of FF6] and it was worth every damn penny. The list can go on but you all get the point...

Oh, and DRM is for half-witted morons...


RE: Used games?
By Bioniccrackmonk on 6/28/2011 10:46:34 AM , Rating: 2
Money, thats what they are thinking. Like every other company that makes games and hates to see used copies sell a lot instead of everyone buying new. This is also why some are creating the online play codes that way if someone buys a used game and the code is already used, they have to pay for a new one.


RE: Used games?
By MrTeal on 6/28/2011 11:02:10 AM , Rating: 5
See, the online play code is much more specifically targeted at the used marketplace. The original owner doesn't lose the ability to play online once they've played though it once.

This approach is like trying to kill a mouse in your kitchen with a shotgun. Sure you might get it, but you're trashing your house in the process. This retarded move hurts the people that are actually paying for the game new.


RE: Used games?
By DanNeely on 6/28/2011 11:41:19 AM , Rating: 2
Actually I think it's more like trying to remove a wart with a shotgun.


RE: Used games?
By geekman1024 on 6/29/2011 1:23:24 AM , Rating: 2
while your finger stuck in the barrel.


RE: Used games?
By tastyratz on 6/28/2011 2:34:28 PM , Rating: 4
agreed. I personally would not buy a game that is setup as 1 play only like that. This isn't even married to the console or psn/xbl/etc id. One round per pop? No thanks.

once the horrible reviews come out kicking from this and sales are down it will self regulate. I love resident evil but you wont catch me buying that one.

Did they learn nothing with the draconian copy protection? It's going to be easier to steal than buy.


RE: Used games?
By MrBlastman on 6/28/2011 10:53:47 AM , Rating: 3
This is probably among the most draconian of policies, not to mention bone headed management decisions I think I have ever heard of a major video game company making.

I cannot support Capcom anymore. That's saying a lot, too, as I've always respected them... until now.


RE: Used games?
By MrTeal on 6/28/2011 11:21:24 AM , Rating: 4
I agree, and I hope they change this policy because of public backlash. Especially for a game series like RE. I'm not sure what the new 3DS one will be like, but in many previous ones you could basically play yourself into a corner. Use up all your ammo and health around you, and if you save in that state if could become incredibly difficult to beat the next boss.

There might still be ways to play through it, but can you imagine how pissed off someone would be if they used too much ammo on random encounters and then saved, and now they just cannot get past an area? Congratulations, you just bricked your game.


RE: Used games?
By Digimonkey on 6/28/2011 11:33:49 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently it's an arcade type of shooter game. It's been stated you can start from the beginning, but once you unlock things or set high scores, there is no undoing it.


RE: Used games?
By Digimonkey on 6/28/2011 11:36:11 AM , Rating: 2
meant to say restart from the beginning.


RE: Used games?
By MrBlastman on 6/28/2011 11:36:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
you could basically play yourself into a corner.


I actually play all PC based FPS games like this--well, the classic ones (Wolf3d, Doom, Quake, Duke3d etc.). I only allow myself to save at the beginning of every level and if I need it, only a single mid-level save. No exceptions to this policy, ever.

It leads to an interesting playthrough experience, to say the least. I've many a time beaten a level and moved on to the next only to find myself at 35% health with very limited ammo. I force myself to play through it, though and do not go back to the previous level.

It seems Capcom will kill off this ability. That ruins the whole experience. Come to think of it, though, Console-style saving has been ruining the experience for a long time with mid-level checkpoint forced saves and saves before boss encounters. Games are so designed for wimps these days.


RE: Used games?
By theslug on 6/28/2011 12:02:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
mid-level checkpoint forced saves and saves before boss encounters.


I think this only affects players who do what you do, where you save only at the beginning of a level in FPS games like you mentioned. I'd say forced checkpoint saves (and therefore elimination of user-created saves) make the game more difficult because you can't just save anywhere you want to anymore.


RE: Used games?
By MrBlastman on 6/28/2011 12:25:27 PM , Rating: 2
They make it easier because more often than not they are far too frequent requiring mastery of only the next few seconds of gameplay.


RE: Used games?
By wallijonn on 6/28/2011 12:28:58 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Games are so designed for wimps these days.


My friend will only play a game in the hardest mode available. When he complains that it's taking him days to get through a level or romm I just laugh at him.

Me, I like playing my games in Easy mode. If I like the game I will then re-play it in Normal mode. If I love the game then I will play it in Hard mode.

I want to get my money's worth.

Capcom is going to see their games shunned, just like the "5 plays only" Polaroid mastered DVDs. Nobody bought them.

Capcom: You will probably see stores putting your games right next to Sony UMD movies because that's the "can't sell and can't give away" section of the store.

Imagine paying $40 for a game that can only be played once. Everybody will imagine playing the game, removing it from the console and then throwing it in the trash. Then they will get the vision of taking two, or three, $20 bills and throwing them in the trash.

Capcom, you haven't got a chance. Best thing you can do is make it an arcade game so that you can gather up the loose quarters. Make it cost $5 in quarters to play and see how few people even bother walking towards the machine.


RE: Used games?
By Silver2k7 on 7/3/2011 5:45:24 AM , Rating: 2
"Capcom, you haven't got a chance. Best thing you can do is make it an arcade game so that you can gather up the loose quarters. Make it cost $5 in quarters to play and see how few people even bother walking towards the machine."

Are there any arcade games avalible, I mean new ones...
would be nice if they made some very high end *next gen* graphics and put into an arcade machine... like use 4 video cards and max out the graphics.


RE: Used games?
By Suganami on 6/28/2011 12:48:33 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone remember the whole DIVX mess started by the late Circuit City? As far as the greedy bullshit factor goes, this kinda reminds me of that. Hopefully, it'll end up being just as popular.


RE: Used games?
By Nutzo on 6/28/2011 5:35:47 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, especially for a DS game.
Many of the kids I know with DS's will restart a game (sometimes several times) to play it all over again. Blocking this will end up costing them future sales.

This also means no rental games in case you want to try the games before buying it.

Of course if you are someone using a flash card to pirate your DS games likely none of this will apply as you can just kill the save file and start over.....
Once again they will mainly be hurting thier legal paying customers and making pirated games more functional at the same time :)


RE: Used games?
By Meinolf on 6/28/2011 11:19:05 AM , Rating: 3
I call BS on Capcom. I will just wait until the game gets cheap after being out a couple months.


RE: Used games?
By whodi on 6/28/2011 11:22:39 AM , Rating: 5
why would you even support the game at all? I'll be damned if they get one cent from me on any title that has this stupid restriction.


RE: Used games?
By StevoLincolnite on 6/28/2011 11:51:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'll be damned if they get one cent from me on any title that has this stupid restriction.


Thankfully, such a scheme is useless with optical disc based media, as consoles can't write to an optical disc. :)

It will pretty much be limited to downloaded Casual Games and Nintendo/Sony hand held devices because of the above mentioned limitation.

Hell... I bet allot of people will create a firestorm over this and Capcom will probably pull the idea...
Then release a statement saying that someone had their wires crossed and it wasn't their original intention... Yadda Yadda (You get the idea).


RE: Used games?
By Uncle on 6/28/2011 12:11:50 PM , Rating: 2
But don't they connect to a server to play or leave information.


RE: Used games?
By wempa on 6/28/2011 12:20:33 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter. Unless the disc has some sort of unique identification, this won't work with optical discs. The system would need to know that that specific disc was already used in another console. As far as I know, no discs have such an identification as it would make the manufacturing process a lot more expensive.


RE: Used games?
By Invane on 6/28/2011 12:34:36 PM , Rating: 2
Judging from my reading, pretty much all the discs have the potential to be uniquely identified if there was a reason to do so. For example, blu-ray discs can carry a serial file on them that uniquely identifies the discs. Such a scheme would not be hard to move over to a dvd format.

I'm willing to bet money that the moment it makes sense from a profit perspective, you will find the discs uniquely identifiable.


RE: Used games?
By MrBlastman on 6/28/2011 12:55:44 PM , Rating: 1
You're missing something.

It isn't the disc that is being protected--it is the license key I'm sure. They'll more than likely require you to register your license key to activate the game and make it playable. If you don't--the disc is just a paperweight.

If you sell the disc, you'll also have to give them your license key. Once they input the key, the system will then download or link up the cloud-based savegame.

PC games have been using license keys for years. However, they have always been transferrable (except for those linked to something like Steam).


RE: Used games?
By wempa on 6/30/2011 9:13:15 AM , Rating: 2
Good point. But still, that would require that the console have access to the internet. As another user posted, that would be a pretty bad assumption for a console like the Nintendo DS.


RE: Used games?
By Suganami on 6/28/2011 1:16:23 PM , Rating: 2
Remember this crap started by Circuit City?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX

Each disc in that product line was marked with a unique code for "phoning home" to request access to play a movie every time (after paying of course). Not saying that that's what they've done here though. Just pointing out that such an attempt has been made by the home media entertainment industry. Let's just hope this Capcom crap doesn't become regular practice by publishers.


RE: Used games?
By jeff834 on 6/28/2011 3:59:21 PM , Rating: 2
If you're talking about console games, it would be idiocy to require users to be online to play a game. There is still a very large group of people who do not go online with their consoles, and they could lose that share. I have made a living selling used games on the internet before and I would be sad to see that market disappear as both a gamer and a business person. With widespread adoption of restrictions like this, the secondary market will become more of a rarity trade where the value of older, more rare titles on physical media will rise. You can get any song you want on MP3, but rare vinyl albums can be worth quite a bit.


RE: Used games?
By jeff834 on 6/28/2011 4:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
Just realized this is a 3DS game, which are cartridge based so data can be saved to them. This restriction would be absolutely impossible on DVD or Blu Ray based games as they are read only and save data is stored on the console itself.


RE: Used games?
By chiadog on 6/28/2011 11:22:11 AM , Rating: 2
In trying to make more money, they've shot themselves in the foot. How typical. DRMs that makes pirates gaming experience better than the paying customers isn't exactly the smartest thing to do. Wake up, Capcom/Ubisoft/Sony/Whoever else.


RE: Used games?
By FITCamaro on 6/28/2011 4:32:20 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously. What if you want to start a new game and make different decisions along the way?


RE: Used games?
By gorehound on 6/28/2011 4:43:23 PM , Rating: 1
this whole idea is bullshit.,
i do hope they do not sell shit on this title.anyone that does buy this is a fool.


RE: Used games?
By 0ldman on 7/2/2011 11:01:50 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed.

Glad I'm not a fan of the Resident Evil series.

I just played through inFamous, and I did what I do with every other game that I really enjoyed, I played through it again as soon as I finished *after* I got good at it.

I generally have multiple saves on a single play through. If something cool happens I'll save so I can go back through that bit again.

Capcom has pooched the screw...


Boycott
By dxf2891 on 6/28/2011 11:09:17 AM , Rating: 5
I will no longer buy a Capcom game as long as this idiocy is in place. Who's with me?




RE: Boycott
By amanojaku on 6/28/2011 11:18:02 AM , Rating: 2
Boycott? LAWSUIT!!! Transference of ownership is perfectly legal. This tactic will pave the way for other restrictions, which started with the inability to backup encrypted media for personal use. Worse, as others have pointed out this restricts an owner from playing said game again as a "fresh out of the box" experience. I replay a lot of my games when I realize I screwed up something in the beginning, but don't want to start over since I'm near the end. And I don't like to do walkthroughs, so there's a lot you will miss in the first run through of today's complicated games. F'ing ridiculous...


RE: Boycott
By Stoanhart on 6/28/2011 11:30:38 AM , Rating: 2
While this sucks, I think it's entirely legal.

Sure, you are free to sell the game. No one said otherwise. The second player will just have a shitty experience, and the used game will have little resale value. Just because the law states that you may resell something you buy doesn't mean the producer has to make it a viable option. Since you would know of this limitation going in, the point of purchase is where you must decide whether this is acceptable to you or not.


RE: Boycott
By cerx on 6/28/2011 11:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
Sad, but true. You "own" the disk, cartridge, etc., not the data written to it.


RE: Boycott
By Invane on 6/28/2011 12:28:20 PM , Rating: 3
While I'm certainly not a lawyer, I believe that a competent lawyer could definitely make a case for this being illegal as capcom's clear intent is to erode the rights of ownership from consumers. If this type of tactic is allowed to continue, the unavoidable end result (and most corporations' ultimate goal)is a product that cannot be resold due to artificial restrictions by the company creating it. They will have managed to have removed the doctrine of first sale despite the law still being on the books.


RE: Boycott
By Fritzr on 6/28/2011 6:37:55 PM , Rating: 2
It is completely legal. CapCom is selling a game cartridge that saves state. You are buying a game cartridge that saves state. If you want a different product, put this cartridge back on the shelf and continue searching.

CapCom has the right to sell a cartridge with a license that states the buyer is happy with this "feature". The buyer has the right to resell it...whether they are supposed to tell the secondary buyer about this "feature" is an aspect of law that does not involve CapCom.

There was an office suite sold in 1988 that allowed 5 installs, then the disks were useless. This is a similar feature ... when reselling the used install disks, the publisher had no control over what the reseller said or any responsibility for the number of permitted installs remaining. (Disk cloning & hex editors allowed unlimited installs, but that illegal activity is a different issue :P )


RE: Boycott
By Gondor on 6/28/2011 12:15:40 PM , Rating: 2
This is not going to work unless they drop prices down to game rental alternative.

This "one-save" thing is essentially a ticket to play the game once, like the penny arcade or an amusement park ride. A dollar or two to play the game through once, plus same sum for replay ? Sounds fine to me. Anything more than that and they'll be killing off their business.

I'm curious to see what kind of pricing they have in mind.


RE: Boycott
By darckhart on 6/28/2011 4:35:40 PM , Rating: 2
The problem with voting with our wallet is that we still get screwed.

you: i won't buy your product then!
them: oh noes! why no sales?.......... must be PIRACY!!
you: oh dammit :(


RE: Boycott
By Fritzr on 6/28/2011 6:47:17 PM , Rating: 2
Of course this will lead to piracy. The traditional pirates selling counterfeits and legal owners who want to reset the game to allow multiple use of the game in it's initial state.

If this idea is used for a few popular titles then expect the market for DIY cartridges & cartridge rippers to take off :D These in turn will expand the piracy into sales and distributions of the cartridge images for use in DIY cartridges by people who want to get the most value out of their DIY cartridge purchase. Especially those who own DIY RAM cartridges that can softload cartridge images :D


RE: Boycott
By someguy123 on 6/28/2011 11:12:06 PM , Rating: 2
I think the point he was making was that it'll be blamed on pirates, regardless of the fact that it is a horrendous business decision.

It just amazes me that these people still don't understand the simple concept that pirates remove these protection schemes. These schemes do nothing but harm the consumer more and more while having absolutely no detrimental effect on pirated, DRM free games.


RE: Boycott
By TSS on 6/28/2011 7:07:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with ya, though this is really starting to limit the companies i can still support.

Battlefield 3 will probably be the last game i will buy from EA. Even though IMO they've been the devil's incarnate since they've killed westwood, even the love and attention of developers for their games is no longer worth it. I'd boycott BF3 over the pre-order items from select retailers if there was any other battlefieldish game out there to play. Sadly, there is none, so i play on playing BF3 till hell freezes over.

Diablo 3 will also be the last game i'll probably buy off blizzard. They milk their fans so much, it's ridicolous. It's that i'm pretty desperate for an old skool RPG so i'm hoping that Diablo 3 will deliver. If it doesn't, meh. It'll be the last bad investment in activision/blizzard.

Honestly my only hope is kojima doesn't do something foolish so i can still enjoy a good metal gear solid once in a while. Otherwise there isn't a single big studio/publisher i'm still a fan of.

My only hope is the indi community. IMO it's around the point right now where the mainstream industry was when moving from 2D to 3D (they got 2D nailed and there's some really good 3D concepts out there that could just use a toutch of polish more). Couple more years and we might see a true revival of PC games.


By Motoman on 6/28/2011 10:44:25 AM , Rating: 4
...is to refuse to buy the game.

Imagine if a movie locked itself on the last scene after you'd watched it once...never to be re-watched from the beginning. Or a book that only opens to the last page once it's been read completely.

Digital purchases already rob the consumer of their ownership rights - the ability to gift/sell the game once you've gotten tire of it. This is another step down the path of "let's see how much we can abuse our customers" and it needs to stop.




By cparka23 on 6/28/2011 11:28:52 AM , Rating: 2
If the DIVX format (not the codec) showed us anything, it's that people don't like being told how to play their entertainment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX

History has a funny way of repeating itself.


By nafhan on 6/28/2011 11:43:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Imagine if a movie locked itself on the last scene after you'd watched it once
I'm fine with that. However, it's going to have a significant impact on what I perceive as the value of the movie. Same with games. A "feature" like this won't stop me from buying it, it'll just make me wait until it's $5. If a game is fun (especially a single player one), it'll still be fun in two years.

As an aside... remember when people used to talk about replay value in games? This game would essentially have negative replay value since you have to play to replay it.


By someguy123 on 6/28/2011 4:30:12 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly capcom has been weighing the possible damage from something like this for a while (locking out content on disc, streams of DLC, MVC3 only half the size of a DVD9 yet DLC planned before release). I get the feeling that they believe they'll get away with this thanks to fan loyalty, and looking at the way their games have continued to sell...they're probably right.


By TheJian on 7/3/2011 7:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
LOL. Or just learn how to use usenet (or any popular filesharing site, or god forbid...torrents). Spore was enjoyed by many, and none of them dealt with the DRM...LOL.

You only have ONE option because you choose to accept it ;) They can only take your power if you let them.

Take the pill they are NOT offering instead... (it's not the red or the blue one...heh)

Nuff said (do your own homework)

Imagine for a second they tick enough of us off and people start TEACHING classes on usenet. They should be thankful people are barely smart enough to work torrents (which lead everyone to your doorstep)...LOL. Actively ticking off the user base (sony, EA, capcom) will only cause MORE people to swallow the OTHER pill eventually.

You only get my money IF you've EARNED it. Which means >30hrs of single player gameplay, low bugs, no draconian drm. I google the drm on any game before buying. Yeah I expect 30+ SINGLE player hours (just like the old days with most pushing 50+, or huge replay value). You charge me twice what they did years ago (I remember $30 fondly back in apple //e days...$29.99 for wizardy, ultima, bards tale etc). These 10hr games just make me wanna nzb (google it). The only place that will get my money for the foreseeable future is GOG. No DRM and games are generally worth far more than you pay for them.

Consoled my PC game (dragon age2 etc, micro-transact the crap out of me)? bzzzzt...NZB it.

Game devs...Here's an idea, go back and remake all of GOG's games with new graphics. Leave the old stories/plots etc in tact, just update the graphics. Today's kids haven't seen any of these games. Boom, 100+ cheap hits. Should be cheap, and far better than these 10hr crap games that come out these days. I don't care how fun/pretty it is, if it's over in a day you stole my money. I should be calling YOU the pirate! You don't even give me the right to return it if it sucks (wait that's WHY you don't give me that right...LOL). If I buy a TV and hate it, I can return it. Only software & underwear (with good reason...LOL) avoid this.

Take your rights BACK! Play their game entirely and then decide what their game was worth after you're done. Wait for it to drop to the appropriate price and then buy it...ROFL. How's that for revenge? Or wait and pray it ends up on GOG :) For $5-10 they're all worth it.


Thanks Capcom!
By baconsnake on 6/28/2011 1:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
Now I need to explain to my wife why we can't buy the kids any capcom games for their DS which I'm sure is not going to make a lick of sense to her. Thanks CAPCOM!




RE: Thanks Capcom!
By geekman1024 on 6/29/2011 1:49:43 AM , Rating: 2
Erm...You let your kids beat up people on the streets? Or you like your kids pretend they are vempires kicking warewolves' arse? Some zombie-smacking-cross-dressing journalist? May be you would like to give them giant two-handed swords as Christmas present, so they could go out and kill some giant Pink Baboons?

Wow, you are a good dad.

Anyway, I don't see why your kids can't play any more Capcom games as a bad thing.


RE: Thanks Capcom!
By MindParadox on 6/29/2011 4:57:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Erm...You let your kids beat up people on the streets? Or you like your kids pretend they are vempires kicking warewolves' arse? Some zombie-smacking-cross-dressing journalist? May be you would like to give them giant two-handed swords as Christmas present, so they could go out and kill some giant Pink Baboons?


uhh, what the HELL are you talkin about?

as to the
quote:
Wow, you are a good dad.
statement, I must again ask, what the hell are you talkin about?

As for explaining to his wife, his wife MIGHT(just think about it for a second, if you can think at all) not be a gamer, and just might not really understand what the big deal is, not necessarily from a "you can only play the game once" perspective, but from a "the company doing this is not worthy of getting our money, no matter how much our children cry about it" perspective

make sense now?


RE: Thanks Capcom!
By geekman1024 on 6/29/2011 10:24:30 PM , Rating: 2
I was just saying, not buying any of the Capcom games is not a loss at all, much of Capcom's games are not good influance to kids anyway.

Dead Rising is definately not a good game for kids to play.


By The Raven on 6/28/2011 10:59:48 AM , Rating: 5
This game will self destruct...in one playthrough.




By Ramstark on 6/28/2011 11:20:01 AM , Rating: 2
This title dear sir, has made my day...
I had to "sing it loud" to get it right...xD


Publishers and Piracy
By whodi on 6/28/2011 11:12:07 AM , Rating: 2
These guys never learn. The only people they punish are the consumers and themselves. This will only vilify Capcom and will cost them more money than they would currently "lose" from second hand selling, trading, swapping, etc.

According the Entertainment Software Association, The average game player is 37 years old and has been playing games for 12 years. You start pulling stunts like this and I will spend my money on another developer. If you want one use or even one device usage, then cut the game cost. However, if you are attaching a price premium ($60.00) to your game, you better give me the opportunity to replay it more than once.




RE: Publishers and Piracy
By Argon18 on 6/28/2011 11:18:58 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. At the $60 price point, the game damn well better not be crippled. Want to sell crippled games? Fine- sell them for $25 each instead of $60. But don't charge me more and give me less - I'll simply buy from someone else and not you.


RE: Publishers and Piracy
By BZDTemp on 6/28/2011 12:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
$25 or $5 for that matter and I'm still not okay with this.

I want to play games as I like it and I want to be able to lend my games to friends just like I do with books.

I'm against piracy but when game companies start ruining the experience thus meaning the pirates get a better experience then the limit is reached. I refuse to be a fool for my own money. Stunts like this and games in boxes demanding you're online makes me spend my money elsewhere.


Many games can't wipe settings...
By CZroe on 6/28/2011 12:56:44 PM , Rating: 2
Unless this kills replayability even for the original owner, it sounds the same as, say, Super Mario RPG, which has no way to clear save data but you can start a new game and save over it. There is no built-in way to see the title screen without the sword in it like there is when you first turn on the game. I used special dev/backup hardware to clear the saves on my SNES games but you could always yank the battery. When it came to N64 games, most with internal save functions used EEPROM which I could manage with a program like Evek or wipe by saving over it with another game (seen as corrupted and wiped the next time the game is booted directly). You could also block the EEPROM pins with an external adapter, like the DX256 that stored 256 different EEPROM save slots for N64 games. It didn't work with dual EEPROM, FlashRAM, and SRAM games.

I also remember deliberately corrupting the save in certain games by sticking them in the cart slot of an unofficial device backwards. :) They would wipe the next time they booted.




By MindParadox on 6/29/2011 5:19:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Unless this kills replayability even for the original owner,


you CANNOT overwrite the save, AT ALL

meaning, that you can't start a new game and expect to save anywhere, if you die and reload, you load up the FIRST game you ever played, period, never any game after

meaning that you get one play through with the ability to save your game. Any other play throughs must be done in one sitting with no breaks, no ability to save(thus you must have a perfect game, since you cannot load an old game if you make a mistake)and everything you unlocked the first time you played will be unlocked already.

And, we don't even know if it will take away the ability to, even if you restart the game and want to play through with everything unlocked already, are the bosses still there? or will you get to them and it just skips over what was the boss fight the first time you played through?

this is a REALLY slippery slope they are going on, and if they get away with it, there are FAR worse things they can do, just remember that


Why can't we look at it this way...
By cubby1223 on 6/28/2011 7:38:25 PM , Rating: 2
If the result of "killing off the used game market", would mean more revenue to the developers, which CAN then result in lower new prices. Why are we not allowed to consider that possibility? Why must the mindset always be that the big bad greedy corporation is stealing all our money?

Or, in the particular situation of a Resident Evil title, a survival horror game, not having saved game possibilities changes the gaming experience immensely. It'll change the way you approach gameplay in a way never before done. I don't know, might be kind of cool playing a Resident Evil game under the pressure of not having a fallback save point.




By MindParadox on 6/29/2011 5:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the result of "killing off the used game market", would mean more revenue to the developers, which CAN then result in lower new prices. Why are we not allowed to consider that possibility? Why must the mindset always be that the big bad greedy corporation is stealing all our money? Or, in the particular situation of a Resident Evil title, a survival horror game, not having saved game possibilities changes the gaming experience immensely. It'll change the way you approach gameplay in a way never before done. I don't know, might be kind of cool playing a Resident Evil game under the pressure of not having a fallback save point.


to answer in order
Game prices would go up without direct competition from used game sales. You think 60 bucks for a game(or 40 for a DS game, unsure what a 3DS game is) is a bit much? watch the prices soar if the used game market goes under. If you would like to argue with this, think about the fact that Ipod prices only went UP once nearly all the competition quit making MP3 players.

Secondly, have you ever heard of ANY corporation lowering prices once it had the only version of whatever on the market? Neither can I, but I CAN find you MULTIPLE instances of where as soon as they become the sole seller of xxxx the price goes WAY up almost instantly.

quote:
"Or, in the particular situation of a Resident Evil title, a survival horror game, not having saved game possibilities changes the gaming experience immensely."


I couldn't agree with you more! Now you know the game is going to handhold you all the way through, there will not be any real difficulty to anything, or any possibility of failing to unlock anything in the game, you will have removed one of the oldest traditions in survival horror, the bad decision that ya don't know makes the game unbeatable till later on(cause with only one save, you can't go back to a previous one, and with no restart ability(since you can't over write the save even if you DID restart) you are now stuck with every single decision the instant you make it.

there ARE games that are made to be "you get one shot, go for it" however, they usually simply dont have saves at all, so you can truly restart it anytime you want, or when you realize you painted yourself into a corner, but RE has never been a series like that, most of the fans of this series wouldn't want it like that, and I can GUARANTEE you that the designers(CapCom is only the moronic publisher) didn't design it for that type of gameplay(easily proven by the inclusion of a single save game that auto saves when you unlock things, or get to certain places, that can't be overwritten, so there is never any REAL restart possible)

That's "Why can't we look at it this way..."


this wont end well
By zmatt on 6/29/2011 12:24:55 AM , Rating: 2
i can't see this going well. One of two things will happen. Gamers will cry out in protest and it will die here, or they will roll and take it and the used gaming market ends in 2011. For my part I am boycotting capcom. I'll add them to my list with Sony and EA who i also won't give my money to.




RE: this wont end well
By The0ne on 6/30/2011 5:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
Clap. Keep up the boycott. I'm with you. I wish people would do their share and really stand up for their disapproval of a company's practice(s). I've included Square-Enix on my list for the recent FFXIV and Dundegon Siege 3 (PC version), both of which me and families members have been anxiously waiting for.


good news
By geekman1024 on 6/29/2011 1:38:17 AM , Rating: 2
Atari's E.T. is geeting a new friend in it's burial ground.




RE: good news
By geekman1024 on 6/29/2011 1:40:14 AM , Rating: 2
*getting

dang! Edit Button, please!


wow
By p05esto on 6/29/2011 12:46:20 AM , Rating: 1
Holy Crap, we've just witnessed the end to CAPCOM. This is one of those things that will spread like wildfire through the gaming community and basically finish them off. No one will buy a game like this and most likely will never buy another Capcom game again, I know I sure won't. What a bunch of vindictive, greedy assholes.




RE: wow
By Belard on 6/29/2011 10:26:58 AM , Rating: 2
I hope this bites Capcom in the balls, hard.

I'm still DON'T BUY EA games because of SecuROM. Limited installs...
I heard they stopped doing that for new titles, not sure. So I just don't buy them period.

So yeah... you pay $60 for a game... and what if YOU want to play it ALL over again, yourself? Stupid stupid!

Also, used GAME sales also drive hardware sales.
Having access to used $20 games is why we bought our kid a new DS.


Capcom Got Hit In the Head...
By Arsynic on 6/28/2011 11:40:08 AM , Rating: 2
...and now they think they are a mobile phone provider. This will not end well.

Japanese Developer 1: "We're loosing money hand over fist from releasing these derivative, milked-to-death franchises."

Japanese Developer 2: "It's those damned used game sales!"




"Somebody"...
By chagrinnin on 6/28/2011 12:08:41 PM , Rating: 2
...fell out of the stupid tree,...hit several hundred branches on the way down,...dusted himself off and climbed back up so he could do it again.




hopefully
By Manch on 6/28/2011 12:34:32 PM , Rating: 2
This just hurts paying consumers, not pirates. I will not buy from Capcom until they change their policy. This is idiotic. Hopefully this will hit them in their pockets and make their stock plunge for being @$$holes. They believe we do not "own" the copy, we're only licensed to use it, I can see this plague of an idea moving on to other consumer items. Next thing you know youll need an online code to use your BD's and then you wont be able to resale them too, or play them on a different player or a different location, etc.




The nD...
By Conner on 6/28/2011 12:41:22 PM , Rating: 2
This is why people should get the nD when it comes out, more power to people and devs, less to the 'publishers'. The old ways are done with, we have the internet and computers instead of publishing houses.

http://the-nd.com/




Fail?
By Sunagwa on 6/28/2011 1:44:28 PM , Rating: 2
This seems to have fail written all over it. It's hard to say though. Publishers have gotten people to switch from full, feature rich expansions, to small 1-2 hour over priced downloadable content. So as crazy as it seems to me I'm forced to say, it just might work.




Capcom is irrelevant anymore
By cmdrdredd on 6/28/2011 3:55:18 PM , Rating: 2
In the industry we have today, capcom is largely irrelevant. They don't produce their games in house anymore. They outsource the work and it shows. One crappy game after another.




Suicide is brainless
By BugblatterIII on 6/28/2011 4:39:08 PM , Rating: 2
Time to say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

Here's hoping Capcom goes bust because of this idiocy. This isn't a game I care about but all games companies need to realise this isn't going to fly.




By inperfectdarkness on 6/28/2011 6:11:08 PM , Rating: 2
i favor the government mandating that game developers CANNOT develop software that impinges upon used game sales.

seriously, this is like honda decreeing that you can't sell your civic after owning it for 5 years. wtf?




Deja vu all over again
By Fritzr on 6/28/2011 6:21:58 PM , Rating: 2
This form of copy protection was popular in the 80 and 90s when programs were distributed on floppy disk. A countdown register stored on the disk was modified each time an install occurred. When you had reached the limit, the installer simply stopped working.

The simple workaround was to clone the disk and use only the copies. Copy protection based on modification of the install media became very rare once disk cloning software became common :)

The original DivX used this scheme with CDs where the outer tracks were writable. Making those tracks unreadable broke that scheme, though I suspect that disk cloning with modern CD copiers might have also been effective.

Not sure how they are implementing this, but if it involves modification of the storage media in possession of the enduser, then cloning the game will allow unlimited saves :D

If it requires building a cartridge or burning custom ROMs...well that will only revive the DIY cartridge industry that allows endusers to install copies of original ROMs in the aftermarket blank cartridge. This is being done today with Commodore 64 cartridge images allowing owners of Commodore hardware to use rare or completely unavailable cartridge based programs :) The RAM cartridge was especially nice as exact copies of the original could be modified at any time and the changes to the cartridge saved for future use or used directly running the cartridge image directly from the RAM cartridge. This last was very common as one physical cartridge that is never removed can emulate the user's complete cartridge library reducing wear on irreplacable cartridges and the device they plug into.

If online registration is required to install...well that model has also been tried and it has been found that when the servers break the customers become very unhappy with the company taking credit for the software :P




Vote with your wallet
By sleepeeg3 on 6/29/2011 1:30:35 AM , Rating: 2
It only becomes a problem if people buy in to it.




Just another reasons why....
By Aloonatic on 6/29/2011 7:43:21 AM , Rating: 2
... he average consumer might try to find out how to chip their console and get around this sort of thing.

Will probably end up being the games markets "DRM" and eventually get dropped as they realise that all it does is make being a legitimate customer even less attractive than it was before.




By jfmeister on 6/29/2011 2:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
While Apple is making a new era with the appstore, letting people buy software once and use it on as many unit as possible at your home, Capcom is going the opposite with their new concept.

Uhm, hello? Capcom, why don't you go on that kind of bandwagon and base yourself on such concept? Go downloadable. Not only you will prevent what you want, but you will also participate on being GREEN. No more boxes and cartridge, just a cheaper price that will keep people from reselling a used game and will probably increase sales because of the availability and price...




Why would anyone ??
By KOOLTIME on 6/29/2011 4:24:33 PM , Rating: 2
Stupid idea, unless its free, I would not buy something to keep permanently as a one use only option item.

I buy games I play them more then once, and any game that is a 1 time play = free or I don't buy it.

That would be like buying new car driving it home from the dealer lot, then parking it in your drive way, then never being able to drive it again.

Who would honestly buy a 1 time use item and pay real money for such a thing. People buy DVD movies to watch aat all times at their leisure, not once and toss away ?? Those movies they rent. The items people purchase, they want to keep and re-use many times.




Who the heck...
By masamasa on 6/30/2011 10:59:14 AM , Rating: 2
...buys Capcom games??? They're all cheesy and lame.




By jnemesh on 6/30/2011 12:52:35 PM , Rating: 2
I will never, ever, buy a game that has a feature like this! Forget about used game sales...they arent going to sell enough NEW copies of the game because of this asinine policy!

Greed is killing the gaming industry. We have, essentially, 2 companies...EA and Blactivision, sorry, Actarrd, dominating the entire industry, and they are consistently maneuvering to suck more money out of their customers. From Call of Duty going to a subscription model, to wallet rending DLC packs. You pay $60 for the game, then after selling millions of copies, they release a DLC pack for $15 more...and another one after another few months! You are now paying up to $120 for the "full" game and they STILL arent happy! Enough is enough!

If I see any game come out with things like this, I simply WILL NOT BUY...and I urge everyone else out there to boycott this stupidity as well.




About pricing...
By The0ne on 6/30/2011 5:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
Back in the SNES days games cost quite a bit. RPG games were horrendous because it was the craze for US consumers. And here we are with many of you younglings complaining that $60 is too much. Add inflation and I can laugh all day.

1. $90 for Secret of Mana when it was released, at Electronics Boutique.

2. $8o of FF3 (US version)

To me, it hasn't changed but rather become more leveled as most games if not all, except for collector's, are release at the same price point. This is bad and good considering how good/bad the game actually is. But at least we're not seeing close to $100 games right? RIGHT?

Minimum wage back then ~$4.25, what is the wage now?




Who the
By icanhascpu on 6/28/11, Rating: -1
RE: Who the
By MindParadox on 6/29/2011 5:23:06 PM , Rating: 2
ya know, I agree with you, and you got rated down automagically by the use of cuss words.

Things like this drive people to pirate, not the other way around, companies like this need to understand that pirates REMOVE all this crap from their games/software/whatever not necessarily because they want it for free(there are some tho) but SIMPLY TO PROVE THAT THEY CAN

so yay for CapCom for giving the hacker(and pirate) community something to do for 5 minutes, bad on them for punishing paying customers


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