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This is the first time the CSE has admitted to spying on Canadians while looking for foreign targets

Leaks by former U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden have brought many reviews, questions and even forthcoming changes to the government agency. Now, it looks like Canada's foreign intelligence agency could receive similar treatment as its actions have now come under the microscope as well.

According to the Ottawa Citizen, the Communications Security Establishment Canada (CSE) -- which is Canada's spy agency -- admitted that it has “incidentally” spies on Canadians while searching for foreign intelligence. 

“In the course of targeting foreign entities outside Canada in an interconnected and highly networked world, it is possible that we may incidentally intercept Canadian communications or information,” said the CSE. 

The CSE went on to say that it protects the privacy of Canadian residents' information, and that it will attempt to be more transparent by revealing how the agency operates in the coming months. 

However, many say that the CSE will likely avoid directly addressing information from the Snowden leaks. The CSE will likely say it knows the law rather than say whether it followed the law or not.

This is the first time the CSE has admitted to spying on Canadians.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), which is the sister agency to the CSE, is also in hot water. CSIS and five Justice Department lawyers have reportedly lied to a Federal Court about how warrants would be used. 
 
Back in 2009, the lawyers looked to obtain warrants for the CSIS, which would allow it to gather electronic intelligence on Canadians overseas if they were suspected as domestic national security threats. The warrants were given based on the understanding that the electronic intercepts were to be carried out from "passive" Canada-based listening posts because the federal court cannot authorize spying in foreign territory.

The CSE took care of the technical side of the intercepts, and once the warrants were approved, CSE -- on behalf of the CSIS -- gave the job to one or more of its partners in the “Five Eyes” electronic intelligence-gathering alliance, which includes Canada, the U.S., Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

CSIS then reportedly omitted information in applications for the warrants (along with the five lawyers) about their intention to use assistance of the Five Eyes. 

Snowden leaked details about the NSA's secret spy programs to the media early last year. In August 2013, reports said that the NSA admitted to touching 1.6 percent of total globe Web traffic. Its technique was to filter data after harvesting it, which led to over-collection on a major scale. It was later revealed that Snowden conned between 20 to 25 NSA employees to give him their login credentials and passwords while working at the NSA regional operations center for a month in Hawaii last spring. Snowden reportedly told the NSA employees that he needed their passwords in order to do his job, and after downloading secret NSA documents, he leaked the information to the media.

Snowden told the media last month that his mission is complete after spending the last year leaking secret NSA documents. 

Source: Ottawa Citizen



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Oh Canada
By Da W on 1/13/2014 2:15:42 PM , Rating: 1
the “Five Eyes” electronic intelligence-gathering alliance, which includes Canada, the U.S., Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

All 5 english-speaking countries. Good thing, by speaking and writing in French, they won't understand me, it is harder to find a high ranked governement official that understand french in this country than it is to decrypt 1028 bit encription.




RE: Oh Canada
By lagomorpha on 1/13/2014 2:20:54 PM , Rating: 2
The drawback there is that it's nearly impossible to communicate anything worthwhile in French.


RE: Oh Canada
By marvdmartian on 1/13/2014 2:38:39 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I don't know...."I surrender!!" works out pretty well! ;)


RE: Oh Canada
By 91TTZ on 1/13/2014 4:25:17 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, those French would never fight for freedom like the patriots did in the US Revolutionary war. That's why you don't see a Statue of Liberty in France.*

*The French, as a superpower at the time, fought along side us in the Revolutionary War and built the Statue of Liberty as a present to us.


RE: Oh Canada
By Spuke on 1/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: Oh Canada
By ianweck on 1/14/2014 4:13:29 PM , Rating: 2
We can call it "Spuke".


RE: Oh Canada
By mike66 on 1/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: Oh Canada
By ianweck on 1/15/2014 6:03:41 PM , Rating: 1
The only ignorance I see is yours. Now jump back off the anti-America bandwagon you douche bag.


RE: Oh Canada
By Devilboy1313 on 1/14/2014 1:40:29 AM , Rating: 1
I always thought the statue was of a French lady representing a Roman goddess. I didn't realize she was some Yank tramp.

Plus your patriots could be perceived as traitorous rabble who made their money on the back of slaves and stolen land. Once they made their fortunes (most if not all the founding fathers were rich), they decided that they didn't want to pay their taxes to their actual homeland and caused a war to make sure they didn't have to give it to the government.

Kinda funny given how the IRS is now one of the most bureaucratic money sucking groups on the planet.


RE: Oh Canada
By Spuke on 1/13/2014 4:33:17 PM , Rating: 2
ZING!


RE: Oh Canada
By nick2000 on 1/13/2014 4:40:25 PM , Rating: 2
Worked as well as for the Americans who ended up in the Bataan Death March.


RE: Oh Canada
By ianweck on 1/15/2014 6:10:52 PM , Rating: 2
That surrender probably happened using English. What was your point again?


RE: Oh Canada
By marvdmartian on 1/16/2014 7:19:59 AM , Rating: 2
WW2, the Battle of France, lasted 6 weeks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France

WW2, the Bataan Death March happened after the 3-month Battle of Bataan, after the American and Filipino troops had pretty much run out of food and ammunition, and was done in the hopes of saving lives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

What was your pitifully poor point again??


RE: Oh Canada
By Motoman on 1/13/2014 5:24:30 PM , Rating: 3
Well, to be fair I'm pretty sure they teach their kids that phrase in German when they're in kindergarten...


RE: Oh Canada
By Flunk on 1/13/14, Rating: -1
RE: Oh Canada
By eBob on 1/13/2014 3:33:15 PM , Rating: 1
Admittedly, I have visited Canada only a few times, but it seemed to me that the second language was Portuguese.


RE: Oh Canada
By Monkey's Uncle on 1/14/2014 11:37:57 AM , Rating: 2
Actually there are more Chinese speakers in Canada than French speakers.


RE: Oh Canada
By B3an on 1/13/2014 4:15:13 PM , Rating: 1
You honestly think they wont understand you? That people actually sit at computers and read millions of communications? LOL it's all picked up with software, which understands many many languages.

If that software raises a flag from specific words that are used, a human will have a look at it, which can then easily translate any language within software.


RE: Oh Canada
By Captain Orgazmo on 1/13/2014 11:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
WTF are you on about. 32% of high level federal bureaucrats are francophones (compared to being only 23% of the national population). The mounties, military leadership, and foreign affairs are filled with frogs. Look at the list of Quebec PMs from the 20th century: Laurier, St. Laurent, Trudeau, Mulroney, Chretien. Bilingualism is shoved down the throats of everyone in this country.


RE: Oh Canada
By wordsworm on 1/14/2014 12:00:44 AM , Rating: 2
All Canadian government employees ought to have both official languages. It's stupid that the government doesn't push for that. Basic French skills ought to be required before graduation as well.

I do believe Harper is the first anglophone to run the country. To his credit, he's run the biggest deficit in our nation's history... kind of undoing the payments that the previous competent administration had made. Thank goodness we're in the last year of his reign of error.


RE: Oh Canada
By Captain Orgazmo on 1/14/2014 1:51:30 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, I think you just vomited your last brain cell out onto your keyboard.

quote:
All Canadian government employees ought to have both official languages.


They ought to "have" them, what in a drawer somewhere? Clearly you don't "have" English.

quote:
Basic French skills ought to be required before graduation as well.


You mean that bastardized language known as Quebec "French" that nobody can understand outside of the welfare line? Maybe when high school graduates are actually proficient in their first language they can worry about pronouncing Tabarnak. By the way, "French" classes are mandatory in elementary school in all of Canada.

quote:
I do believe Harper is the first anglophone to run the country.


This is where I am starting to think you are a troll for being that dumb.

quote:
To his credit, he's run the biggest deficit in our nation's history


Ever heard of Pierre Eliot Trudeau, or Brian Mulroney? Not mentioning the fact that both the NDP and Librano parties were clamouring for much more bailout money for their business killing union supporters back in 2008-2009, and the fact that under Harper, real dollar spending has actually dropped for the first time since WW2.


RE: Oh Canada
By DeafMute on 1/14/14, Rating: 0
RE: Oh Canada
By Monkey's Uncle on 1/14/2014 1:24:13 PM , Rating: 1
I don't speak French. I don't want to speak French. So why the shit would I need to speak French? I speak an official Canadian Language. English Eh!

BTW calling that bastardized Quebecois mess French is like saying Afrikaans is Dutch. Maybe the same roots for each but both have diverged to the point they are almost indistinguishable from their base.


RE: Oh Canada
By DeafMute on 1/14/2014 2:59:25 PM , Rating: 2
So you're going to comment about the state and evolution of a language you can't actually speak, this is ignorance at its finest.

I work with a French researcher. I've met French speaking visiting researchers from all over Europe and none of them have had trouble understanding me, nor I them.

If you'd like an accurate comparison, instead of being a total fucking twat, you could compare Canadian-French and France-French to Canadian-English and England-English. The accent is different and there are different expressions that make absolutely no sense to one or the other. But I don't think I would have any trouble holding a conversation with someone from the UK. And I'm sure there are plenty of assholes in the UK who will tell you your English is a bastardized version of theirs.


RE: Oh Canada
By Da W on 1/14/2014 4:43:32 PM , Rating: 1
You my friend, are the exemple of why i hate you people so much. Please, just gather a crowd of your siblings, get on TV and repeat what you just said, then, let us leave and make our own country.

Oh yeah, it will be called Canada, not Quebec. You go and find a new name, asshole.

-A native canadian since 1645. Yes, that means french.
BTW: Poutine is from french Canada.
BTW: Mapple Syrup is from French Canada.
BTW: Mapple trees (the leaf on your flag) can only be found in Eastern Canada - mostly french Canada.
BTW: healthcare system came from French Canada.
What the fuck did you blokes do, except mining for oil and claim a british victory as if it was yours?


RE: Oh Canada
By wordsworm on 1/14/2014 5:49:21 PM , Rating: 2
I know of Pierre Elliott Trudeau. I've met Justin, who is, as you know, Canada's next PM.

French is not mandatory in elementary schools across Canada. Education is a provincial responsibility, not a federal one.

Can you think of another anglophone who became PM in Canada? Brian Mulroney held the previous record for highest deficit which has since been smashed by Harper. Trudeau never had a fifty billion dollar deficit in a single year.

In any case, I have spoken with French people in Asia without having any issues with my accent.

People who can't give public service to Canadian citizens in both languages don't deserve the job in the public sector. I'm sorry that French is such a sour grape to you. C'est la belle langue.


RE: Oh Canada
By DeafMute on 1/14/2014 8:44:27 PM , Rating: 2
Preach it brother.


RE: Oh Canada
By Captain Orgazmo on 1/14/2014 10:29:08 PM , Rating: 2
Stupid commie fools, sucking the Rest of Canada dry. Please separate you leeches. Clearly never heard of inflation, comparing todays currency directly to past numbers. Québec et français sont de la merde.


RE: Oh Canada
By wordsworm on 1/16/2014 6:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
Let me guess, the French don't have a word for entrepreneur in your world, right?


RE: Oh Canada
By Captain Orgazmo on 1/14/2014 10:39:47 PM , Rating: 2
By the way, My Little Mr. Fancy Drama/Yoga Teacher Justin Pony Trudeau is the biggest gift to the Tories since adscam. I will thoroughly enjoy watching that empty-headed buffoon get trampled by the Conservatives and NDP next election. Trudeau is a special kind of stupid, as witnessed during his little love-in with the Rich Old Twats of Toronto where he proclaimed for history his love of communist dictatorships like China: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/08/trudeau-ch...


RE: Oh Canada
By wordsworm on 1/16/2014 6:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
He's going to win with a majority.

Harper's done one good thing: increased the minimum down payment on a mortgage. I'm objective enough to know that he hasn't misfired on everything.

In any case, get a photo of Justin and put it on your daughter's wall so that she knows who'll be replacing your sorry Tory.

It's funny that the girl in the vid called Justin the PM. I guess even the right wing press can't help but notice he's the next PM.

I can see that even though he's speaking in English, you're failing to catch the humour. I'm also certain that you know nothing about Asia at all.


Seems legit to me
By foxalopex on 1/13/2014 3:46:24 PM , Rating: 3
Having worked an Internship with CSE in another lifetime, CSE's intelligence is foreign intelligence ONLY last I recall. So they wouldn't spy on you within Canada but as soon as you do anything outside of Canada or with another country then it shouldn't come as a surprise that they might intercept that.

And unless things have changed, they're good people. They exist to keep Canada safe from foreign interests which would otherwise hurt us.




RE: Seems legit to me
By chrnochime on 1/13/2014 6:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
I'd trust CSE before NSA. Oh wait I already do LOL


RE: Seems legit to me
By UNHchabo on 1/13/2014 8:30:26 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
CSE's intelligence is foreign intelligence ONLY last I recall.


The NSA is only supposed to do foreign intelligence-gathering too, and they were claiming that's all they were doing up until only a few weeks ago.


RE: Seems legit to me
By M'n'M on 1/13/2014 10:18:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And unless things have changed, they're good people. They exist to keep Canada safe from foreign interests which would otherwise hurt us.

The same could (truthfully) be said of the NSA, CIA and other acronym agencies. That doesn't mean their tools and output can't and won't be subverted for less noble purposes by less noble people above them. That's also why we don't elect Kings and Queens with their powers of yore.


RE: Seems legit to me
By eldakka on 1/14/2014 1:14:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The same could (truthfully) be said of the NSA, CIA and other acronym agencies
KFC?


RE: Seems legit to me
By flatrock on 1/14/2014 11:02:30 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, what Snowden's leads showed were mainly a tremendous potential for abuse if the NSA analysts chose to not follow the law. There were extremely few revelations of NSA agents abusing their capabilities (the less than one violation per year exposed in LoveInt).

The proposed changes by the administration also don't involve legislative changes, so all these legal methods with large potential for abuse remain legal. Maybe the NSA will stop using some of them for a time, or maybe they will have to send a search to a telephone company to perform rather than performing it on an internal database. It may effect the timeliness of the search, but that's about all it will do.


Free Snowden
By bitmover461 on 1/14/2014 10:35:50 AM , Rating: 2
Edward Snowden is a National hero, and should receive full whistleblower protections immediately, along with possibly a medal of honor. Those who believe this government should be permitted to operate unconstitutionally thinking they are somehow 'safer' are both fools and cowards.




RE: Free Snowden
By Monkey's Uncle on 1/14/2014 11:41:59 AM , Rating: 2
Free Snowden?

Has be been sent to Gitmo?


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