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Parents in Simcoe County, Ontario claim in-school Wi-Fi is making their children sick. Some parents are pulling their children from the schools.  (Source: Blue Planet Green Living)

No medical study has ever shown wireless routers to be harmful to human health.  (Source: Chicago Tile Co.)
Ban the internetz!

Simcoe County school district in Ontario, Canada last year invested thousands of dollars on new wireless internet routers.  As a result, students on a K-12 level have better access to the internet's wealth of resources for their studies. 

However, some of the district's parents are immersed in a state of panic.  They say the Wi-Fi is making their children sick.  Simcoe resident Rodney Palmer, who has two children, 5 and 9 years old, bemoans, "Six months ago, parents started noticing their kids had chronic headaches, dizziness, insomnia, rashes and other neurological and cardiac symptoms when their kids came home from school."

Palmer is going to pull his kids out of the schools to avoid exposing them to what he considers a toxic environment.

The only problem is that repeated studies have shown that the kinds of wireless signals used in consumer electronics are safe and pose no identifiable health risk.  Michael First, a professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University in New York City and editor of the DSM-IV, the diagnostic handbook for psychologists, states, "As far as I'm aware, there is no evidence that any kind of radio frequency radiation (including cellphone towers, cellphones themselves,and also including Wi-Fi) cause any negative health effects."

Strangely the public has shown little concern over TV or FM radios, which both offer a greater electromagnetic radiation than Wi-Fi routers.  Fearful Simcoe parents state that they measured the EMI in the schools (from the routers) to be four times greater than that found at the base of cell phone towers.  They apparently missed, though, that the level they measured is 600 times less than what the government considers a harmful limit.

Indeed all commercially available Wi-Fi routers fall within 0.002 percent and 2 percent of recommended maximum levels.

Surprisingly, even some local residents with backgrounds in science and medicine are adding to the hysteria.  Susan Clarke, a former research consultant to the Harvard School of Public Health who studies radio-frequency's bioeffects, was invited to speak to the parents in Simcoe County last week.  She warns, "A child’s brain absorbs this radiation maximally.  Children also absorb microwave radiation more readily than adults because they have thinner skulls."

Of course Clarke failed to produce any scientific studies to support her wild claims.

Wi-Fi fever appears to be sweeping the province, though.  Lakehead University in Thunder Bay, Ontario banned Wi-Fi internet from its campus in 2006.  School president Fred Gilbert claimed that Wi-Fi exposure was as bad as inhaling second hand smoke or asbestos exposure.

Similar claims have been leveled about cell phones, which emit much more EMI than Wi-Fi routers, but are still thought to be well within safe tolerances.  A 30-year-long Swedish study found that there was no noticeable correlation between use of low-level radiation devices, such as cell phones, and cancer.

The power of suggestion may lead to real illness, though.  Residents of Craigavon, South Africa claimed that a new cell phone tower was causing a slew of health problems.  After months of complaints of ongoing severe symptoms, the company that owned the tower made an amusing revelation -- they had turned off the tower months ago.  Embarrassed the residents vowed to keep fighting the good fight.

In San Francisco, citizens have fought unsuccessfully in court to try to block the installation of new cell phone towers.  The city did toss these crusaders a bone, when it became the first U.S. city to mandate that cell phone makers to post their radiation levels on in-store displays.

In Britain, DJ Steve Miller helped stir up fears of Wi-Fi exposure claiming he was allergic to Wi-Fi.  He claimed he could detect wireless signals biologically and would get severe headaches and dizziness from them.  He later admitted he faked the illness as a publicity stunt.


Updated: Aug. 20, 2010 at 12:47 p.m.
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Steve Miller, aka DJ Afterlife, contacted us about our piece with some corrections.  Contrary to the statements of Fox News, Miller says he has never backed down from claims that Wi-Fi is harming him, and never said he made those claims for publicity.  We apologize for this inaccuracy.  Mr. Miller actually shared a lot of interesting details with us, so we hope to soon post a short followup piece on his experience, and theories that Wi-Fi (and cell phone signals) cause serious harm to his brain.

Also some have noted that only a handful of parents complained about the Wi-Fi.  This is certainly true.  Nonetheless, those who did complained were quite vocal about it, going before the school board and demanding the routers be removed.  Their active campaign against the service is essentially what propelled this story into the spotlight.  It is newsworthy in part because similar campaigns have been conducted by concerned residents in other cities -- including San Francisco.


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Simple solution:
By wolrah on 8/19/2010 4:33:49 PM , Rating: 5
Turn off the WiFi without anyone knowing for a few days and see how many of these claimed symptoms go away. When inevitably nothing changes, tell them they're all retarded and move on.




RE: Simple solution:
By stm1185 on 8/19/2010 4:46:03 PM , Rating: 1
It is probably something simple like say the wifi just caused the kids to get an internet addiction. Then the kids start faking ill to stay home where there is no teacher to monitor their usage.


RE: Simple solution:
By MozeeToby on 8/19/2010 5:03:12 PM , Rating: 4
Or it could just be that kids in general don't like school. Or it could just be stress. Or it could be mass hysteria (one person feels ill, which causes a stress reaction in others causing them to feel ill, and so on). Or it could the ammonia cleaner that the school uses on the floor. Or it could be any number of other much more plausible causes, all of which have at least been scientifically shown to have health effects.

If nothing else, how many of the students have wifi at home? I'd be willing to bet that it's more than 50% these days, so why do students only feel ill at school? Not to mention that the frequencies that wifi (at least a,b, and g) operate on are some of the most cluttered and congested frequencies in use. Turn off every wifi access point in the world and there would still be millions of devices sending and receiving on those frequencies.


RE: Simple solution:
By rmclean816 on 8/19/10, Rating: 0
RE: Simple solution:
By myhipsi on 8/20/2010 9:34:05 AM , Rating: 3
It's more likely that these paranoid hypocondriac parents have influenced their kids into being hypochondriacs themselves.

I can see it now:

Mother: Honey, have you heard. They are installing wireless internet in the kids' school. I don't like the idea of that at all. I've heard that the radiation from these devices makes people sick.

Father: Yeah, I've heard about that too. It can cause headaches, fatigue, nausea, and other things.

The kids are in the same room listening to their parents ramblings.

...and lo and behold, a few days later, the kids are complaining about being sick "because of the radiation".

Unfortunately, paranoia and hypochondria are rife in western society today. I believe it's the result of fear combined with the internet. Just do a search for something as simple as "frequent headaches" and you'll get 100 possible causes, 20 of which are permanent and/or fatal.


RE: Simple solution:
By ians55 on 8/20/2010 1:33:00 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah honey. And that's why I'm going to turn our home router off, so you better prepare some long cable if you wanna use your laptop.


RE: Simple solution:
By ClownPuncher on 8/20/2010 2:30:18 PM , Rating: 5
I think I got pregnant from reading your post.


RE: Simple solution:
By Alexvrb on 9/3/2010 10:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
It's DJ Afterlife's baby, isn't it?


RE: Simple solution:
By Performance Fanboi on 8/20/2010 2:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
I like your scenario - they should be having this conversation on 2.4 GHz cordless phones though.


RE: Simple solution:
By rcc on 8/20/2010 7:17:13 PM , Rating: 1
It's the same old problem, now in school. The kids are sitting indoors staring at a (probably cheap) monitor all day. Yeah, I can see headaches.


RE: Simple solution:
By Lerianis on 8/24/2010 9:17:15 PM , Rating: 2
True...... the best monitors out there can keep you from getting 'tired eyes'. There should also be a 15 minute period every hour where the things are shut off to allow the kids eyes to recuperate.


RE: Simple solution:
By MrTeal on 8/19/2010 5:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
You don't think a school full of children and teachers would notice that their WiFi connection is no longer working and they can't access email or the internet?


RE: Simple solution:
By SlyNine on 8/20/2010 1:05:47 AM , Rating: 3
Not the ones making the claim, tell them it's on and they don't know why it is not working. I bet the idiots will still claim some illness.


RE: Simple solution:
By Solandri on 8/20/2010 2:18:16 PM , Rating: 5
Too difficult to keep secret. Everyone else in school will be talking about how it's been turned off, so it's inevitable that they'll hear about it and their illness claims will change to fit.

So what you do is turn off access for real. But leave the routers on and transmitting using a hidden SSID and encrypted connection. Set them up doing file transfers of Project Gutenberg 24/7 or something so they're still transmitting. That way everyone thinks they're off when in reality they're still on. If the people complaining about illness say they got better, then you have your proof that it's not being caused by the WiFi.


RE: Simple solution:
By sprockkets on 8/20/2010 6:16:54 PM , Rating: 1
Laptops can still see there is an access point transmitting without an SSID being broadcast.

At least I can with WinXP/Intel PRO wireless tools :)

Or Linux :)

Or my WRT54GL :)


RE: Simple solution:
By daInvincibleGama on 8/21/2010 2:59:13 PM , Rating: 2
Well, they don't need to be transmitting an actual signal. You could turn off the router and broadcast noise at 2.4 Ghz isntead. That wouldn't show up on any laptop, but the radiation is still there. It will be funny when the complaints stop because kids can't "see" with SSID on their laptops.

Then the next thing would be for them to claim that only actual data transfer causes headaches. lol.


RE: Simple solution:
By LRonaldHubbs on 8/19/2010 5:21:11 PM , Rating: 5
This has basically been done elsewhere. There have been instances in the past (at least one of which was reported here at DailyTech) where a new cell tower was built, citizens complained of everything from headaches to rashes which they claimed were caused by radiation from the tower, and then the cell company revealed that the tower had not even been activated yet.


RE: Simple solution:
By TheDoc9 on 8/19/10, Rating: -1
RE: Simple solution:
By jlips6 on 8/19/2010 7:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
yep.
It's called the placebo effect.
Although if you do it too much it's called hypochondria.
Hell, I can remember a time or two when I "willed" myself in to being sick when I was in school and it had nothing to do with mass hysteria.


RE: Simple solution:
By B3an on 8/19/2010 8:06:26 PM , Rating: 3
I doubt it's the kids really. It's likely rather the parents as usual trying to put the blame on something they dont understand.
In the old days they would blame a witch or something, now it's something like wi-fi.


RE: Simple solution:
By Marlonsm on 8/19/2010 9:11:27 PM , Rating: 2
"No, dad, I've not be squinting at a cellphone screen to use Facebook in school all day long, I swear. It's just... just... those new routers they bought"


RE: Simple solution:
By LRonaldHubbs on 8/20/2010 6:29:04 AM , Rating: 2
I'm telling you that if the kids are in fact sick then it is for completely unrelated reasons and the idiot parents have decided to blame WiFi without any evidence or justification whatsoever.


RE: Simple solution:
By Final8ty on 8/20/2010 12:22:57 AM , Rating: 2
I remember that showing on TV.
The thing was not even powered up :)


RE: Simple solution:
By delphinus100 on 8/21/2010 12:40:41 AM , Rating: 3
I think something like this happened early in the Concorde's history. A scheduled supersonic test overflight of Britain that was canceled, yet people reported damage and other problems at the originally scheduled time...


RE: Simple solution:
By bigboxes on 8/20/2010 5:40:26 AM , Rating: 2
Too bad Palmer can't take his kids out of the universe.


RE: Simple solution:
By XZerg on 8/20/2010 9:43:05 AM , Rating: 1
the problem is that most kids will find out quickly that their wifi isn't working and tada... isn't that simple especially with these kids nowadays that cannot live without technology. It is like the worst punishment to give to kids these days - take away tech and voila they behave like zombies at your command to get that tech back.


RE: Simple solution:
By HostileEffect on 8/20/2010 1:56:40 PM , Rating: 2
Its also one of the best ways to get your kids to hate you and significantly further any rebellion.


By AllYourBaseAreBelong2Us on 8/20/2010 1:50:31 PM , Rating: 3
Nah!, you give each kid a tinfoil hat and problem solved.


RE: Simple solution:
By chrnochime on 8/20/10, Rating: 0
RE: Simple solution:
By MightySlug on 8/21/2010 7:12:52 AM , Rating: 2
This just shows the level of mentality some people operate on - saying those whose receptors can sense these signals are "retards", those who are intelligent enough to question the pains when in WIFI/Mobile phone environments are "retards", those people who are sensible enough to measure these beams with objective meter instruments to confirm their experience and then avoid putting themselves in that high signal hot spot are "retards". Really the world is going backwards. If you follow this line of thinking - you really have been sold down the river. You've just got to look through the Industry Board's own summary of evidence based on clinical tests to see the results of what these signals are doing to your brains and bodies. Perhaps that's why you may be lacking in the intelligence to know to get out of the Radiation beam. Do yourself a favour and READ, LEARN, EDUCATE yourselves, look at the evidence in the Industry Boards report,
http://www.icnirp.de/documents/RFReview
THEN make your comments on whether intelligent beings are trying to help you, warn you, protect YOUR health. Perhaps then you will think twice about calling those people "retards". .pdfhttp://www.icnirp.de/documents/RFReviewJust shows the level of mentality some people operate on - saying those whose receptors can sense these signals are "retards", those who are intelligent enough to question the pains when in WIFI environment are "retards", those people who are sensible enough to measure these beams and then avoid putting themselves in that high signal hot spot are "retards". Really the world is going backwards. If you follow this line of thinking - you really have been sold down the river. You've just got to look through the Industry Board's own summary of evidence based on clinical tests to see the results of what these signals are doing to your brains and bodies. Perhaps that's why you may be lacking in the intelligence to know to get out of the Radiation beam. Do yourself a favour and READ, LEARN, EDUCATE yourselves, look at the evidence in the Industry Boards report,
http://www.icnirp.de/documents/RFReview
Just then make your comments on whether intelligent beings are trying to help you, warn you, protect YOUR health. Perhaps then you will think twice about calling those people "retards"


RE: Simple solution:
By chagrinnin on 8/21/2010 2:04:43 PM , Rating: 2
You should double post,....for emphasis,...then, just for emphasis,...you should double post.

~Wee Todd :P


RE: Simple solution:
By Cixelsid on 8/25/2010 8:16:28 AM , Rating: 2
Did you bother to even read that report?

"The evidence from double-blind provocation studies suggests that subjective symptoms, such as headaches , that have been identified by some individuals as associated with RF exposure, whilst real enough to the individuals concerned, are not causally related to EMF exposure ."

"The experimental data do not suggest so far that children are more susceptible than adults to RF radiation, but few relevant studies have been conducted."

"Studies of the effects of RF modalities such as high peak power pulses have been somewhat diverse and sporadic; no effects have been seen other than those associated with heating and with acoustic perception."

Hell, the only thing that report concludes is that radiation can increase body temperature in animals, but that humans have a better ability at shedding heat than most animals, and that the radiation concerned is insignificant in comparison with another source of radiation than can cause body temperature to rise: THE SUN.


RE: Simple solution:
By xenos123 on 8/22/2010 2:37:00 PM , Rating: 2
How can you turn them off without them noticing?


Is this honestly notable?
By KaiserCSS on 8/19/2010 4:42:37 PM , Rating: 4
While amusing, I'm really not on board with these tabloid news articles making their way on to DailyTech. I come here, as I have for years, in search of interesting inventions and occurrences in the world of technology. Sure, I'm having a laugh at these people, but is this really something most of us care about or want to see on this website? Is it even that notable? People make claims like these all the time without any sort of evidence to back it up, and no, correlation does not imply causation, especially when existing studies and evidence show no health concerns from consumer-level RF energy.

I dunno, I just miss logging in after work and reading neat updates on the latest and greatest.




RE: Is this honestly notable?
By HotFoot on 8/19/2010 4:55:45 PM , Rating: 2
This issue came up on 16 August on the CBC, and there's been a few follow-up articles. Don't worry, the school board dismissed the concerns. It was only about a dozen parents that came forward in the first place. I'm surprised this story made it all the way to another country and even a tech blog.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/08/15/...


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By HotFoot on 8/19/2010 4:57:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Simcoe school board has 50,000 students but only about a dozen parents came forward to the parents' group to complain about symptoms and to suggest the problem is the Wi-Fi, said Dance.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/08/16/...


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By Iaiken on 8/19/2010 5:09:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It was only about a dozen parents


Out of a population of 500,000 people!

Seriously, 0.0024% of the regional population felt that it was enough of an issue to actually go to the board about it.

Roughly 20% of North Americans believe aliens have already visited earth and yet we haven't thrown down billions of dollars of funding the Earth Defense Force.

This is not the story you're looking for... move along.


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By B3an on 8/19/2010 8:10:42 PM , Rating: 1
As usual Mick is trying to blow it all up and sensationalize it.
I agree this shouldn't be on here, and i think a lot of the stuff/s*** on this site these days should not be here. It just keeps getting worse over the years.


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By Motoman on 8/20/10, Rating: 0
RE: Is this honestly notable?
By omnicronx on 8/20/2010 12:01:36 PM , Rating: 1
Buddy shut your trap. This news was highly publicized across Ontario/Canada, why on earth are you calling out Mick for a legitimate news story?

Most of us know these hicks up in Simcoe county do not know what they are talking about, but how on earth has Mick sensationalized anything? The information is very similar to what I've seen in other Newspapers and online publications.

You are making it out as though he has made stuff up.

If you are just going to complain, just leave.. Make all of our lives better. (including yours if it hurts you so much to read these articles)


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By driver01z on 8/26/2010 4:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
Hey he's not your buddy, pal.


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By ShaolinSoccer on 8/20/2010 2:08:38 AM , Rating: 2
You act like some people are not sensitive to EMI or other electrical/magnetic things. Do you really believe every single human being is identical? Just because it doesn't bother YOU doesn't mean it can't kill/harm someone else. Quit being so damn egotistical and try having more compassion and heart for other human beings who are suffering and don't have a clue why they are. Since you're so smart, maybe you should become a scientist and actually do some studies instead of relying on other scientists who probably just want a paycheck and saying whatever they want to say!


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By drumhellar on 8/20/2010 3:39:17 AM , Rating: 5
Plenty of blinded studies have been done. They've shown that people who claim sensitivity are unable to determine whether a wireless device is actually broadcasting or not, at rates better than chance.

Furthermore, we have a large understanding of 2.4GHz radio waves and their effect on matter.

With the combination of the minuscule amount of people claiming effects, the blinded studies that repeatedly show no link between WiFi and the claimed symptoms, plus a lack of a known mechanism for causing these symptoms, that WiFi is not causing these symptoms is the the most appropriate conclusion.

That leaves two possibilities: The symptoms are psychosomatic, or there is something else causing the symptoms (which, given the small number of people affected, seems unlikely).

Claiming these symptoms are caused by WiFi in the face of all the evidence that speaks against it is an extraordinary claim, and as Carl Sagan was fond of saying, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By omnicronx on 8/20/2010 11:33:25 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure some people are more sensitive to EMI than others, the problem is, there are countless other sources of EMI that these students are subjected too that have higher radiation levels. In fact several studies done have shown that sitting in a room with a wireless hotspot for a year results in about the same amount of radiation exposure as a 20-30 minute cell phone call.

Furthermore Wifi = Non-ionising radiation (cell phone towers, visible light, Microwave etc), it does not carry enough energy to ionize atoms (unlike other ionizing sources of radiation like X-rays). At best at very high levels of exposure (i.e Microwave) it can excite atoms (i.e which cause things to heat up).

People talk about wifi as though we don't know the science behind it.


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By MightySlug on 8/21/2010 7:24:56 AM , Rating: 2
Fantastic - well said and Thank you we are not all generic as is noted in the Stewart Report.http://www.icnirp.de/documents/RFReview
This is the ICNIRP report - the Body who decide on health effects by this type of radiation. Please look at it especially pages 216 onwards about human health studies and also special note - melatonin is cut almost in half in women 42% after mobile phone exposure. It will shock you to the core the amount of damage cited in here. Bless.


RE: Is this honestly notable?
By bissimo on 8/19/10, Rating: -1
RE: Is this honestly notable?
By KaiserCSS on 8/19/10, Rating: -1
stupid parents
By Creamy Goodness on 8/19/2010 5:55:10 PM , Rating: 2
i bet these idiots don't even realize cordless phones and microwaves put out just as much radiation. well, at least their kids are getting an education, maybe they can explain this stuff to their parents in a few years.




RE: stupid parents
By vectorm12 on 8/20/2010 6:35:49 AM , Rating: 2
Actually cordless phones and microwaves in general produce more radiation than the average AP. My new Whirlpool microwave for instance kills off all wireless communication in my appartment while on, and yeah I've had it replaced to rule out faulty unit.

Granted a microwave isn't producing radiation 24/7 like an AP but if I was being paranoid about radiation I'd be more worried about bursts of highpowered radiation rather than longterm exposure from an AP.

Regardless I consider all the claims grade A bull plop.


RE: stupid parents
By jimhsu on 8/20/2010 11:47:36 AM , Rating: 2
And the number one risk of high intensity microwave exposure is ... *drumroll* localized heating (i.e cataracts). Not "skin reactions". Not cancer, or heart failure, or any of that. The most that could happen when aiming a microwave transducer at your skin is painful localized heating.

Not to mention of course that the radiation emitted by these devices are tens of thousands of times less than any amount that could possibly produce measurable localized heating. You get hundreds of times more radiation exposure simply by sitting in a room with the lights on.


RE: stupid parents
By omnicronx on 8/20/2010 12:07:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
And the number one risk of high intensity microwave exposure is ... *drumroll* localized heating (i.e cataracts). Not "skin reactions". Not cancer, or heart failure, or any of that. The most that could happen when aiming a microwave transducer at your skin is painful localized heating.

Exactly.. Cell phone signals, wifi, visible light, microwave are all Non-ionising sources of radiation. I.e None of these sources are truly radio active in any shape or form. They do not have the ability to detach electrons from atoms or molecules.


RE: stupid parents
By FITCamaro on 8/20/2010 4:39:48 PM , Rating: 1
Guess the guy mentioned in the update doesn't go in the sun ever either.

I'm thinking any supposed damage done to his brain is a pre-existing condition of stupidity.


RE: stupid parents
By MightySlug on 8/21/2010 7:29:36 AM , Rating: 2
Try reading the Industry Boards Report of Clinical studies
http://www.icnirp.de/documents/RFReview
EDUCATE yourself before making your statements, then make your comments on whether intelligent beings are trying to help you, warn you, protect YOUR health. Perhaps then you will think twice


RE: stupid parents
By Fritzr on 8/22/2010 12:23:27 PM , Rating: 2
Do your studies include the health effects of television and radio broadcasting, radar (unshielded microwaves), portable radio transmitters of all types and associated base stations (cell phones, portable/cordless phones, RC transmitters, CB radio, HAM radio etc.) as well as naturally occurring EM radiation? Don't forget that almost every electric device in existence transmits radio frequency noise. Especially bad are the spark plugs in a gasoline engine. (spark gap radio transmitters :P )

I suspect that in the homes of the affected children the EM exposure is likely to be similar if not greater than the exposure at school.

Yes 802.11 devices add an incremental amount to the radio noise that is present, but the naturally occurring variation in levels is far greater than the addition. This suggest that the ill effects credited to 802.11 tech are dwarfed by the ill effects of radio noise from other sources.

Try applying a little bit of critical thinking when reading the studies you find & try to find corroborating studies or at least verify that studies that do not agree with the ones you like are unreliable. One of the nice things about real science is that independent researchers often duplicate results while being unaware of others working in the same field. When this happens it is a good indicator of an accurate observation.

When one researcher is getting results that do not agree with others working independently (who do agree with one another) then you need to ask what the lone wolf is doing wrong or what common assumption(s) are leading the majority astray. As Occam's Razor predicts, most of the time it is the Lone Wolf who is mistaken.

Do not automatically assume that the name of the organization reflects it's aims. There have been a large number of fake "independent" research agencies setup over the years to promote ideas that benefited one group or another. This is done to provide the appearance of "independent" corroboration when trying to get falsified research accepted by the mainstream.


Oh noes!!11111
By MrBlastman on 8/19/2010 4:39:57 PM , Rating: 3
Teh intarwebnets are bahd for you! :) Well, at least in this crazy Canadian community. This is pretty sad, if you ask me. If these people really were worth their salt, they'd invest some money in something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Trifield-100XE-EMF-Meter/dp/...

A three spectrum, EMF meter. It is quite a nifty tool, and, after using it (as I had to do to disprove my wife and mother-in-law about wireless and our baby... >:( ), you will quickly see these signals drop off in intensity within a few feet. Hardly enough strength to do anything harmful to these students.

Science. We have it for a reason. If more people used it, there'd be less hysteria in society.




RE: Oh noes!!11111
By KaiserCSS on 8/19/2010 4:43:43 PM , Rating: 3
Can I use it for ghost hunting?


RE: Oh noes!!11111
By MrBlastman on 8/19/2010 5:13:55 PM , Rating: 2
I actually saw it being used on one of those ghost-hunting shows out of my own amusement not too long ago, actually--so, yes, you probably could if that's your cup of tea. ;)


RE: Oh noes!!11111
By MrTeal on 8/19/2010 5:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
Only if you add the E-Meter attachment.


I see the problem, clear as day
By supermitsuba on 8/19/2010 4:33:55 PM , Rating: 5
the problem is they got linksys routers.




By Icon0clast on 8/19/2010 5:12:11 PM , Rating: 2
Clearly a troll but I lol'd..


Did anyone think about...
By RealTheXev on 8/19/2010 5:53:45 PM , Rating: 3
My sister had to drop out of school her senor year, because the school started using different cleaning chemicals. Did any of these parents consider this and look into it?

Her symptoms: Eyes would puff up, uncontrollable tears, rashes...

Sounds similar.




RE: Did anyone think about...
By fleabag on 8/20/2010 3:30:53 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
My sister had to drop out of school her senor year because the school started using different cleaning chemicals.

Hmm, I think she dropped out due to a number of reasons, one of which you may not realize.


RE: Did anyone think about...
By HostileEffect on 8/20/2010 2:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
negative one.


By SlipDizzy on 8/19/2010 4:59:14 PM , Rating: 4
Easily solved with a tin foil cap!




Stupid > 9000
By Flunk on 8/19/2010 4:50:44 PM , Rating: 3
Wi-Fi specifically? Yes, I'm sure it causes problems but not radio, television, cell phones, satellites, wireless devices, EMI from everything electric.

Also, why are they just complaining about it while at school? A large number of homes also have Wi-Fi, why are they not sick at home from their neighbors Wi-Fi? Where I live there are at least 6 Wi-Fi networks accessible in my living room.

I hope they don't do anything just because of parental insanity, this is embarrasingly dimwitted.




Idiot Fail
By Dingmatt on 8/20/2010 3:33:57 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Fearful Simcoe parents state that they measured the EMI in the schools (from the routers) to be four times greater than that found at the base of cell phone towers.


lol, Idiots checking radiation in the towers blind spot.
Its the little clues that allow you to ignore these sort of stupid people.




By darkpuppet on 8/20/2010 9:34:57 AM , Rating: 3
Unfortunately, Lakehead University isn't the greatest indicator of smart minds doing smart things.

- They've had fire damage that they don't repair in a major building.

- They don't tear down unsafe buildings, but erect new buildings in parking lots, decreasing parking in a town without adequate public transit.

- They have fume hoods that are leaking toxic goo (and have been deemed unsafe), and rather than clean it up, they just ignore it or ask students not to use the hoods.

- For years, the only computer lab they had was reserved for forestry students, not comp sci students

- The new building designs (of the technology building), have the staircases arranged in an odd fashion (a common complaint of students is that after going up one flight of stairs, they must traverse back the same length to go up the next flight of stairs).

- Elevators in one of the building used to open the doors a foot or two before reaching the desired floor...

and then the wifi thing... though, I thought the new technology building had wifi... hmmm, maybe they just meant the dorms?




Fox News & Toronto Sun
By Iaiken on 8/19/10, Rating: 0
RE: Fox News & Toronto Sun
By KaiserCSS on 8/19/2010 5:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
Precisely. Thank you for mirroring my opinion on this article as well.


Indirect result
By noonie on 8/19/2010 5:56:27 PM , Rating: 2
I suspect it's indirectly related, maybe a sealant or caulk that was used during the install. Or maybe an irritating dust that was produced while drilling holes...into something toxic or otherwise irritating.




I say
By Azure Sky on 8/19/2010 5:59:20 PM , Rating: 2
I say the school dist take all "effected" students and seperate them from the general population, school them in a cave or old 1 room school house with no electricity(electric wiring produces em fields) give all the kids tin foil hats and make them work by candle light.

possibly teach them out of per-electricity era books as well!!!

oh and dont forget, takeing the parents cell phones away and smashing them, and cutting the electric power to the house just to be safe!!!




Oh Big Surprise
By BruceLeet on 8/19/2010 6:35:48 PM , Rating: 2
They are kids, it is school...ofc they're going to complain about "being sick". Todays parents are just to stupid-lenient.

To blame wifi, tell me why nobody at starbucks or other wifi hotspots get "sick".

On CBC news' article about this topic it states that children stop "feeling sick" during the weekends or when at home. Stupid really.




By skiman2006 on 8/19/2010 7:04:54 PM , Rating: 2
Parents of students in Simcoe County should think about how irrational they're being. The parents that are supposedly concerned about public school wi-fi networks making their children ill should think about moving to a remote region of Siberia where very little (but still some) wireless technology operates. The accusations make little to no sense.

One must take into account the number of different technologies working on the 2.4GHz band. Cordless phones, bluetooth devices, wi-fi networks, wireless keyboards and mice, and many other devices operate under this frequency. How is a wi-fi 2.4GHz connection any different than a cordless phone 2.4GHz connection?

A child's physical proximity to a cordless phone is much higher than their proximity to a wireless router. I mean, I have never seen a child hold a wireless router to the side of their head. Talking on a cordless phone concievably poses a larger threat than playing games on a wireless internet connection.

I challenge the parents of Simcoe county to show their homes to the media. If every one of the dozen parents involved in their complaint to the school board shows their homes to be free of 2.4GHz devices, I would be very surprised. If even one device is found, the parents should realize they are 'poisoning' their kids at home, as well as at school.




One sided
By kesslertech on 8/20/10, Rating: 0
RE: One sided
By omnicronx on 8/20/2010 11:44:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
For instance I got a kid that is very sensitive to a lot of foods that most other kids eat every day. I had to learn that not every kid is the same and reacts the same way to outside influences. Just a thought.
Once again, as noted by many others WIFI is hardly the only source of EMI/Radiation these kids are being exposed too.

I understand what you are trying to say, but relating your story to WIFI would be akin to your kid being sensitive to a certain kind of food but not sensitive higher concentrations of the same food. Its bad science and just does not make sense.


BPA
By The Raven on 8/20/2010 12:30:30 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe people in Canada think like this because of the low levels of lead and BPA ;-)




this is just totally stupid
By rocky12345 on 8/20/2010 2:48:08 PM , Rating: 2
First off most of those parents complaining about the wireless most likely have wireless routers in their homes & don't even realize it. Also it should be noted that a Cell phone can cause more harm than a low power router. These kids & adults have these cell phones either in their pockets all day or are on them texting & surfing the web so maybe these parents should start off by taking their kids cell phones away. This alone would most likely be the best thing for their kids not only will they not be exposed to the supposed harmful EMI but it would force these kids to actually learn to socialize with others more it is a win win for both the kids & their parents. Schools should have standing rules of no cell phones on the school grounds at all.

I work in the computer industry myself & we still use the old CRT monitors on our benches because they work better on customers systems than a LCD does we also have 4 routers in the store as well as tubed lighting above our heads & none of us go through what these parents are saying. This is a crock of crap a person would have to pretty much sit on top of the router to even come close to being effected by it. TV & Radio waves are far more powerful & no one seems to find them harmful. All this is like others have said is the kids are sitting there with there smartphones in class most likely texting or surfing things like facebook & are totally zoning in on the small screen & when they are forced to come back to the real world they get out of whack by being dizzy or feel sick to their stomach that is all this is take the smartphones away & I pretty much think the problem will go away.

Just my thoughts on this crap.




It's a shame...
By SiliconJon on 8/20/2010 2:50:30 PM , Rating: 2
...that their health concerns are essentially being pigeonholed simply because their hypothesis is likely to be in gross error. How about their concerns be addressed in a polite and logical manner in order to help improve their health rather than dismissing them entirely because you're darn sure their conclusion is absurd.

Oh, that's right, we couldn't do that if we tried. How are we supposed to determine which individual element within their environment is causing which individual ailments when the environmental factors are so numerous we couldn't possibly wrap our limited cognitive abilities around the massive data and analysis required to comb through the issues, and that's even after we somehow manage to get over the first hurdle of our fallacious habits such as prior-hypothesis bias, group think, and so many others.




Ya, everything is ok, eh.
By rburnham on 8/20/2010 4:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
I am sure Bob and Doug would have popped up somewhere and let us know if there was an issue with wi-fi. They're helpful that way.




By Lord 666 on 8/20/2010 4:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
Remember reading about 2-3 years ago a Montreal based University objected to WiFi due to health concerns. McGill has earned a respectable reputation of adopting cutting edge networking technology (10gbe well ahead of anyone else) so found the WiFi tin foil hats interesting




Sigh
By Lumberboy on 8/21/2010 3:32:12 AM , Rating: 2
Correlation is not causation. I am so tired of ignorance and fear causing mass panic. First vaccines, and now wi-fi. What happened to rational thought? Why are people so quick to jump on a hysteria band wagon? Le sigh.




Steve Miller
By MightySlug on 8/21/2010 7:44:33 AM , Rating: 2
You reported that Steve Miller had admitted later that he faked being affected by WIFI - and then you issued a "sorry we make a mistake" Not a mistake - a LIE - blatently made up fabricated story. What a despicable thing to do! It is an uphill struggle to live with this debilitating condition which is recognised in USA as a functional disability. Unfortunately, because of ignorance, and small mindedness it will take the world a lot longer to come to its senses. Perhaps you are still in the dark and think we should lock up Epileptics in a mental home, or seggregate the world because of people's colour. It's the same thing. LIBERATE YOUR MIND. Bioinitiative Report




fools
By zmatt on 8/21/2010 5:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
I have had WiFi for the better part of the decade, not to mention the cell phone signals and radio waves that have been around even longer. These people are the worst kind of troll. They have to ruin everyone else's fun in the real world because they too stupid to understand basic scientific concepts.

Besides this is Canadia, they don't actually do anything for the world. So if their education system falls behind I don't think it will affect anyone else. [/sarcasm]




By dj steve miller on 8/22/2010 6:12:03 AM , Rating: 2
Breakthrough study on RF sensitivity

http://groups.google.com/group/mobilfunk_newslette...




By METALMORPHASIS on 8/22/2010 7:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
Is probably bad air! Check the air first!
They need to test the air from the HVAC, etc. And or the building itself maybe toxic.Was there any updates done to this building and how old is this structure?




By chunkymonster on 8/23/2010 9:21:03 AM , Rating: 2
Wi-Fi signals making kids sick, what a joke. Reminds me of the EMF hysteria during the 1990's where parents claimed that EMF from high voltage electric lines were causing cancer in kids. PUH-LEEZ!

There are so many other environmental factors that Wi-Fi and EMF are an easy target.

For all these people know, the cause of these kids getting sick could be fluoridated water, toxins released in plastics and plastic wrap, or the type of adhesives used in carpets and hardwood flooring.

Get a life folks!




This is stupid...
By Belard on 8/24/2010 5:29:25 AM , Rating: 2
This is so stupid.

What happened? Did Palin visit Canada and she spread the STUPID in that country too?

Next thing you know, they're going to start telling us that the Earth rotates around the sun!




The real issue...
By cmdrdredd on 8/22/2010 10:42:15 AM , Rating: 1
Socialized medicine means kids don't go to the doctor like they're supposed to. That's why some kids are sick, they have something they cannot go and be treated for and it's slowly spreading to other children.

WiFi is not making them sick...if it really made anyone sick there wouldn't be one or 2 cases where someone "claimed" they got sick. It would be scientifically proven beyond doubt that certain people who are documented to fit a certain profile can be made sick from spending time around WiFi devices.

This hasn't happened so the whole thing is bullshit.




PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU JUDGE
By dj steve miller on 8/20/10, Rating: -1
RE: PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU JUDGE
By darkpuppet on 8/20/2010 9:37:20 AM , Rating: 3
Can you point us to the published and peer-reviewed studies?


RE: PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU JUDGE
By MightySlug on 8/21/2010 7:49:29 AM , Rating: 2
www.bioinitative.org
GOOGLE Ecolog study find HESE site This site will not allow me to post the link as it comes up SPAM the site is
safe


RE: PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU JUDGE
By Lumberboy on 8/21/2010 3:36:47 AM , Rating: 1
I saw this thing on the internet . . .


PLEASE RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT
By dj steve miller on 8/20/10, Rating: -1
RE: PLEASE RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT
By WW102 on 8/20/2010 2:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
Will the Real DJ Steve Miller please stand up.


Independent evidence
By dj steve miller on 8/20/10, Rating: -1
RE: Independent evidence
By vectorm12 on 8/20/2010 6:41:04 AM , Rating: 2
Quite amusing that not one of the sites you refer to could be considered even slightly credible in any sense. I'd recommend you to take a few classes of advanced biology and physics. Think it would give you enough knowledge on the subject to seriously question the claims made on those sites.


RE: Independent evidence
By MightySlug on 8/21/2010 7:57:00 AM , Rating: 2
I think you have trouble understanding. These tests are what the Industry Board have gathered together. Do you not think that cutting a womans melatonin level in half will put her at RISK from breast cancer? Perhaps you are a man and therefore have a difference electric resistence, don't feel the radiation pulses and therefore don't give a damn. I DO. Therefore why are you spending time defending Radiation....unless you are an Industry employee perhaps. The test is described as very well designed. Do you know better than these experts?


RE: Independent evidence
By vectorm12 on 8/21/2010 7:21:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yes I am a man, however due to the basic construction of homo sapiens, male or female my electrical resistant is if not identical very close to that of the average female. Granted there could be measurable differences between individuals depending on a huge amount of factors.

However I am not in any way "defending radiation" as you put it. You're not gonna find me advocating to use Sweden's public schools as permanent storage for depleted reactor fuel or installing "microwavecanons" in the forests to cut down on mosquitoes.

However I utterly object to the notion that the low-power, short-time exposure of the electrical fields generated by a number of wireless 2,4 or 5GHz APs would in any significant way influence the human body. My main point is the fact that we encounter non-man made electrical fields at all times. After all, don't forget that we live inside a gigantic electrical field at all times on this planet.

I'd gladly change my opinion on this matter if I was scientifically proven wrong but as things are now that's not likely to happen any time soon.

The links you have provided thus far are not even close to repeatable as they are missing key elements and variables that are left blank. Second of all the compilation you linked to: http://www.icnirp.de/documents/RFReview is a big fat joke from start to finish.

I had a read and this is among the most important parts in showcasing the ineptitude and potential incompetence of the people conducting the studies.

"The overall pattern of results does not support the presence of an association between mobile telephone
use and glioma. However, two issues call for clarification: (1) the basis for the discrepancy between the
predominantly null findings and the few studies suggesting a positive association and (2) the tendency for
studies not finding an association to report relative risks for ever-use slightly below the null value rather
than dispersed symmetrically around it."

That's straight off of page 350 in that document.

Now granted that text is taken straight from the glioma studies but the pattern remains on all the studies in that document. Most are negative or inconclusive some are positive by a huge amount without any form of real explanation.

In fact I should thank you for giving me further ammunition on this subject.

Considering your beliefs on this subject I'd feel confident enough to wage on the fact that you support the concept of creationism as well? In all honesty you're better off trying to disprove evolution as there's a whole lot more imaginary evidence on that subject.


RE: Independent evidence
By Motoman on 8/20/2010 11:08:16 AM , Rating: 1
Wow. Chalk this guy up next to pirks, reader1 and PLAYSTATION3.

If you're going to be catastrophically stupid, best to do it someplace where no one can see you.


RE: Independent evidence
By FITCamaro on 8/20/2010 4:41:34 PM , Rating: 1
Uh...he is. The internet.


RE: Independent evidence
By Callmeaslut on 8/23/2010 12:20:54 AM , Rating: 1
The government is destroying us a little at a time. Electromag radiation and Chemtrails are going to kill all of us (except the chosen few). Don't be fooled by fake science, the efflux coming off of aircraft has been slowly poisoning everyone on the planet now for a long time. I personally wear a mask whenever I go out. I get laughed at, but I'll be laughing last when you are all dead from radiation and chemtrails...


RE: Independent evidence
By Dorkyman on 8/23/2010 3:08:51 PM , Rating: 2
Okay. You're a slut.


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