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The call for ISPs to stop child porn access through newsgroups may cause a bit of controversy

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Edmund Brown Jr. sent a joint letter to internet service providers operating in California, urging them to block access to child pornography.  Although this isn't yet an official request by the government, it is likely most ISPs are going to put new rules into effect to stop the trade of child porn.

"Protecting the safety of our children must be a top priority, not just for government, but also for businesses with the direct power to reduce the ability to conduct illegal activity," Governor Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Brown said in a statement sent to the California Internet Service Provider Association, an organization responsible for representing more than a hundred ISPs operating in California.

The California Internet Service Provider Association is the largest ISP industry organization in the nation, and is expected to respond later this week or early next week.

In early June, Time Warner, Sprint, and Verizon came to an agreement with New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to purge their servers and help eliminate access to newsgroups that hosted child pornography.  Each ISP mentioned they would make the block nationwide, branching out from New York state alone.

ISPs may elect to eliminate user access to all newsgroups, which may be a cause for concern from the American Civil Liberties Union which could claim it's a violation of free speech to effectively put a blanket ban on Usenet newsgroups.

Time Warner Cable will eliminate the ability for all of its subscribers in the U.S. to have access to any newsgroup.  Sprint also will disallow access to alt.* Usenet newsgroups immediately.  Verizon is going to eliminate access to a variety of newgroups, but did not specify which ones.

"We applaud three of the world's largest Internet service providers-Verizon, Time Warner Cable, and Sprint-for taking steps to block access to child pornography. It is not enough, however, for only a few internet service providers to join the fight against online predators. Child pornography is not protected by the First Amendment, and distributing this material is illegal."

The larger ISPs typically have internal rules they follow when child porn is found on a server they host.  

Google will lend a hand by helping develop a new software suite for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children that will use facial recognition technology to identify possible missing children in photos and videos on the internet.  To date, Google has already viewed 15 million different images, averaging almost 200,000 scanned images per week.



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more RIAA-like bull
By Screwballl on 6/24/2008 3:00:47 PM , Rating: 4
Blanket bans are not the answer, it is censorship. Who and what determines what should be blocked or reported?
By giving CA ISPs a blank check, they can be free to block anything they feel may be connected. Myspace has all sorts of child porn so it should get blocked. A few hard to find newsgroups have it so lets block them all. Bittorrent can be used to download it, lets block it.

This blank check will give them free reign to block legitimate content. Also knowing RIAA and the ilk, they will probably step in and say "while you're blocking that, lets block all torrent traffic and P2P traffic". Then conservatives want all porn blocked, and liberals want all religion blocked and it ends up going down a slippery slope.

Maintain a 3rd party but supervised blacklist that can maintain a list of reported sources and sites and newsgroups that can be blocked. Simply keep a DNS record of all these sites and newsgroups that need to be blocked and update it daily. Possibly a reporting tool that any IP that tries to connect to these is recorded and after so many attempts, the police are sent to the location where the connections were made.




RE: more RIAA-like bull
By Adonlude on 6/24/2008 3:46:39 PM , Rating: 5
Are we laying the first few bricks for the Great Firewall of America here?


Does anyone see a problem with this?
By mkruer on 6/24/2008 2:52:51 PM , Rating: 3
I am all for fighting child porn and other criminal offensives. However what the government is asking is for the IPS to become a policing agency. i.e. that is doing the law enforcements job.

IF the current setup does not invest sufficient resources to combat it, then obviously it must not be that important of a problem to the agency otherwise they would be devoting more resources to it.

In a system that has a finite number of resources perhaps they should get rid of frivolous crimes for the more important ones.




RE: Does anyone see a problem with this?
By Suntan on 6/24/2008 4:49:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However what the government is asking is for the IPS to become a policing agency. i.e. that is doing the law enforcements job.


No different than a clerk asking to see your ID before selling you a case or the kid at the movie store not renting an R movie to under age kids.

The issue isn’t having ISPs police the system. The issue is them doing it so poorly. Banning all access in the name of kiddiporn is pretty weak. Although I do believe they should be held responsible for cracking down on kiddiporn access when they know about it.

It’s like a bartender clearing out the whole bar if there is a chance that one person might drink too much.

-Suntan


RE: Does anyone see a problem with this?
By RandallMoore on 6/24/08, Rating: -1
By RandallMoore on 6/26/2008 9:56:04 AM , Rating: 1
... Absolutely AMAZING how everyone seemed to rate that down the drain! I guess there are a lot more pedophiles out there than I thought. Going to hell in a hand basket looks like our fate (in America especially)


By wordsworm on 6/24/2008 9:37:32 PM , Rating: 1
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In a system that has a finite number of resources perhaps they should get rid of frivolous crimes
By all means, end the drug war and legalize the stuff for crying out loud. But I can't help but wonder if you meant that the trade of child pornography is a frivolous crime.


Usenet is what pirates use...
By Noya on 6/24/2008 4:01:13 PM , Rating: 3
...and that's the crackdown. Everything you see on Bit-Torrent sites (CD/DVD/games/etc.) starts from these newsgroups.

BTW, doesn't most child porn come from eastern Europe where the sex trade/slaves is a huge business?




By lemonparty2 on 6/25/2008 9:21:14 AM , Rating: 2
"...and that's the crackdown. Everything you see on Bit-Torrent sites (CD/DVD/games/etc.) starts from these newsgroups."

That is absolutely not true. Stuff on usenet are scraps for the public, just like torrents. All of the real piracy scene happens on networks of private FTP servers.


By encryptkeeper on 6/24/2008 1:54:36 PM , Rating: 2
...not websites like www.jessithekid.com. Honestly, if children out there are being abused and molested against their will, and that material is recorded onto media and distributed, THAT'S child porn. If a 15 year old girl wants to pose in her underwear in front of a camera, that's MySpace. But every time some parents' rights group takes down another Webeweb, they want to toot their horns and make it sound like they've stopped a group of evil sexual fiends.




By Spivonious on 6/24/2008 3:19:49 PM , Rating: 2
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If a 15 year old girl wants to pose in her underwear in front of a camera, that's MySpace.


ROFL! It's funny because it's true!


Why California?
By AnnihilatorX on 6/24/2008 1:53:24 PM , Rating: 2
I know nothing about newsgroup, but I assume it's an international community.

Certainly I wouldn't go to have a look but my guess is most of the child porn in the newsgroup would not be originated from US alone. The question is how much a portion and why California. I am not from the US and I am not sure whether child sex abuse is a common problem in California?

It just sounds out of the blue to me at the moment




A loud step but not much force.
By mcmilljb on 6/24/2008 3:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
I find these events quite interesting. I think it's good they want to crack down on child porn on Usenet/newsgroups (It's long overdue.), but they need to also realize criminals will just find somewhere else to post/share them. It also does nothing to stop child abuse, which is what they really want to prevent. I also think they should put a bigger effort on catching the posters; they're the ones most likely doing the abuse.

I am curious why they want to take down all newsgroups. Not all the groups are about porn. I do think their usage has deminished over the year due to more web based forums and such, and I think most ISP's rather allocate their resources to other uses.




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