backtop


Print E-mail del.icio.us 80 comment(s) - last by supergarr.. on Nov 24 at 8:40 AM

New regulations will go into effect in 2011

When it comes to appliances that consume large amounts of energy in homes, many consumers probably don’t look at their flat screen LCD or plasma TVs. Most tend to think of things like refrigerators and air conditioners as the big energy users in the home.

The LA Times reports that the California Energy Commission (CEC) has unanimously voted to enforce energy efficiency standards for the TV industry covering all TVs sold in the state starting on January 1, 2011 and requiring a reduction in current power use by a third. The standards will get stricter on January 1, 2013 when 50% power savings are mandated compared to current energy usage.

The goal is to save California residents money on their electric bills and to reduce the amount of energy consumed across the state according to the CEC. The commission points out that the new standards don’t affect any TVs being sold now or sets already in homes.

CEC Commissioner James Boyd said, "It's absolutely undeniable the benefits that this has for the people of California. Efficiency is the cheapest and simplest way to save our citizens money, to provide a good quality of life and to drive our economy."

The CEC estimates that by reducing the energy requirements of the TVs by a third, per the 2011 requirements, consumers will save an average of $30 per year on their utility bills. That isn't a lot of savings, but cumulatively across the state, the savings will add up to enough power to run 864,000 single-family homes. That is equivalent to adding a new 615-megawatt gas-fired power plant.

Not everyone supported the commission's goals though. PC World reports that the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) was against the new standards. The CEA fears that the new standards will drive prices up and stifle innovation.

The CEC points out that the new regulations are similar to those of the EPA's Energy Star 4.0 standards. The big difference is that the Energy Star 4.0 standards are voluntary and the CEC standards will be required on all sets sold within California or over the internet shipped to the state.



Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Dorkyman on 11/20/2009 12:49:48 PM , Rating: 5
Trust us, we know more than you do.

It will be a WONDERFUL thing when this state is forced into bankruptcy, because only then will people (yes, even the idiot Californians featured on Jay Leno's "Jaywalking") realize, "Hey! We need to live within our means! We need to hire non-union teachers and bureaucrats, and cut out illegal immigrant benefits! Who would have thought???"

Disclaimer: I was born in LA and spent 30+ years of my life there. Grateful that I escaped, but I do miss the climate and In-n-Out Burgers.




RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By FITCamaro on 11/20/2009 1:20:23 PM , Rating: 5
Move to Texas. They have In-n-Out Burger.

And their state government has a surplus.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Rankor on 11/20/2009 1:58:58 PM , Rating: 2
Originally coming from So Cal, I can only WISH In N Out was in TX, along with a couple of others:

Yoshinoya Beef Bowl, Sizzler, Del Taco, Claim Jumper, Round Table, Fat Burger, Cassell's, Philippe's, Hamburger Habit, Zankou Chicken, and a couple of others.

I miss the (CA) food when I was growing up, I miss the weather.

I don't miss the smog, I don't miss the traffic


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By fic2 on 11/20/2009 3:03:57 PM , Rating: 2
Sizzler? Seriously?

I think Fat Burger is going into the DFW area. You can find Del Tacos occasionally in DFW (or used to when I lived there 12+ years ago).


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By deeznuts on 11/20/2009 3:18:12 PM , Rating: 3
So Cal has a bunch of good food, but other than In N out none of which you listed. Maybe zankou. Claim Jumper? Round Table?

I envy texas' government. I'm a life long Californian, and will probably never leave Union of california socialist republics, but I also know our system of government is fucked. Dems who blame the deficit on the inability to raise taxes (fuck you legislators, for blaming your budget woes on the inability to take more of our money to pay for your special interests).

Also, the US was founded as a Republic, NOT a democracy. Our founding fathers abhorred the possibility of this country turning into a democracy, going so far as not to even mention the word once in the Constitution or Declaration.

Yet that's what we have in California with propositions etc.

Democracies always self destruct, always. And that's what we're seeing now with the ever expanding govt. For every govt. action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. They think they're saving us $30 but they're going to increase the costs by much more than that initially. Thanks. Lawmakers.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By sweatshopking on 11/21/09, Rating: -1
RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Alexvrb on 11/22/2009 2:02:52 AM , Rating: 4
Rome did extremely well under Caesar, pal. It wasn't until hundreds of years after his death that the Roman Empire became corrupt and weak, and fell due to internal problems as well as foreign invaders. Something which could very well happen to us some distant day. Of course we'll be dead and buried by then, so why would you care?

Regarding your blatant disrespect for our founding fathers? What can I say, you're the typical know-nothing product of our education/brainwashing system.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By cfaalm on 11/22/2009 3:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Democracies always self destruct, always.


Couple of communist states did so. More than democracies I know of.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By kmmatney on 11/20/2009 6:38:33 PM , Rating: 2
Born and raised in SoCal but now living in Denver, Colorado. I don't understand why In-n-out Burger doesn't open a few franchises in Denver - it would be like printing money. They have a chain called "good times" here in Colorado which is a little like IN-N-Out - they don't freeze their meet, and they use a nice big onion slice. It's not even close to the real thing, though.

I've never come across an In-N-Out in Texas, but Texas does have Taco Cabana, which I really like.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By knutjb on 11/20/2009 10:36:30 PM , Rating: 3
Same here but I live in Idaho.

Ca is full of hypocrites. They are pressing PG&E to close down a fairly clean NG power plant in San Diego and are moving it across to Mexico where there aren't emission standards. Therefore they pollute less. Twisted ideology.

Soon they will collapse because service industries don't produce much in the way of taxes and there aren't many left. The rest have moved to Texas or Nevada. I guess they expect a bailout as a reward for their superior zen like social consciousness.

I miss Lucille's BBQ in Long Beach.

Very sad


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Ammohunt on 11/23/2009 2:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone from California is moving to colorado making it more like california making colorado natives want to move anywhere else....


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By CityZen on 11/21/2009 5:46:49 PM , Rating: 2
And then people wonder why so many Americans are overweight ...


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Ammohunt on 11/23/2009 2:23:50 PM , Rating: 2
Texas has Whataburger, i would move to the "Sovereign state of Texas" in a skinit if i could..its stiull part of my 10 year plan to relocate from taxorado to Texas.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By plowak on 11/20/2009 4:50:40 PM , Rating: 4
I live in Alaska, we use our TVs to keep our cabins warm.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By ClownPuncher on 11/20/2009 5:18:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yurts, not cabins.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Reclaimer77 on 11/20/2009 6:15:15 PM , Rating: 5
Ugh exactly. Sigh...

quote:
The goal is to save California residents money on their electric bills and to reduce the amount of energy consumed across the state according to the CEC.


Yeah because it's not like people can be trusted to, I don't know, limit their own consumption if their bills are too high ??

This quote is a LIE. California does not care about your electric bill. The true goal is to continue putting off building a nuclear power plant or other means of power that the state desperately needs, by instead mandating silly conservation efforts.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for conservation. But if you need power, you need power, it's that simple. You can't conserve your way out of shortages and rolling brownouts.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Spuke on 11/20/2009 7:20:51 PM , Rating: 3
If the costs increase too much people will just hop over the border, buy one there, and bring it back. I don't see it going that high though.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By lucyfek on 11/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By knutjb on 11/20/2009 10:56:07 PM , Rating: 2
Ummm... Nothing in the Constitution says I have to believe your tripe or let you force your values on me. I think you're wrong by forcing radical energy plans on me considering the climate research e-mails that came to light. I'll leave some extra lights on around the house, my power comes from hydro. I am glad I don't live in the Socialist Republic of California anymore.

It doesn't mean I don't want more efficient appliances. I don't want some bureaucrat who thinks that their superior judgment can save me from myself.

The story title is misleading, it sounds like the people voted for this not the loony bureaucrats.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By KidneyBean on 11/21/2009 11:24:28 PM , Rating: 3
You should call it the Socialist Democracy of California. California is not a Republic, it is a Democracy, because the people can pass laws by simple majority.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Lazarus Dark on 11/22/2009 12:17:27 PM , Rating: 2
I refuse to live within any city limits due to all the taxes and regulations (I drive a V8 with modified exhaust, so I'd never pass any city inspections, tickets for noise, etc. Plus city cops are always jerks in my experience, give me a state trooper any day.)

I can't imagine living in California, I couldn't even breath in a state like that. Not to mention the ecoterrorists in California trashing my ride for driving a v8.


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By cfaalm on 11/22/2009 3:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I couldn't even breath in a state like that.

I couldn't even breath standing next to your churning V8 :D


RE: All Hail The Nanny Society!
By Spuke on 11/23/2009 4:45:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
ot to mention the ecoterrorists in California trashing my ride for driving a v8.
Nah, you wouldn't have anything to worry about out here. There are tons of V8 powered vehicles in CA. Most being SUV's. Cars do make up 62% of the market (Camry, Accord, Civic, Corolla are best sellers) with SUV's bringing in 23%.


By MeesterNid on 11/20/2009 12:30:40 PM , Rating: 2
Oh how I hope that would be a headline soon! I wish they would just hold on to all the dill wads that elect people who pass laws like this in that state so they can't go live in other places and spread their idiotic ideas.

Nice going California, how are the massive entitlements and welfare working out for you? Why not just pass the law where the state decides everything for you instead of doing it incrementally with things like energy efficient TVs?!

And I love the part about it being done to save consumers money! How about letting the consumers decide what they want to spend money on? And can you buy those new TVs with IOUs?




By FITCamaro on 11/20/2009 1:22:19 PM , Rating: 4
I agree. Californians should be required to stay in California. The rest of the country doesn't need their retarded ass ideas f*cking up other places.

Sorry to my buddy who lives there now.


By Ringold on 11/20/2009 3:16:29 PM , Rating: 5
I've read neighboring states across the West have seen a large influx of Californian immigrants over the years, turning some traditional Republican area's blue, as these Californian migrants leave their state but keep their politics unchanged, not realizing it was their politics that were partly responsible for the lousy conditions in their former home state.


By ClownPuncher on 11/20/2009 3:44:14 PM , Rating: 3
Yea, they do tend to invade. Californians seem to enjoy the tax structure of WA compared to the mess they have. We like to stereotype them as not being able to drive either :)


RE: California to close borders and keep nut jobs in...
By Spuke on 11/20/2009 3:52:27 PM , Rating: 2
Trust me when I say that most voting Californians are not for any of this sh!t. If this vote was made public it would be shot down like those BS tax increases and any other increase that they've asked for. And the way political map is drawn it is extremely difficult to get any of these f#$ks out of office. Although we are working on some recalls but that takes forever.

California voters are mostly conservatively bent types but our legislature is a bunch of far left sociopaths. How the f$%k did these people get in office in the first place is beyond me. That was way before my time anyways.


By mikeyD95125 on 11/22/2009 4:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
For some reason we still like to spend money we don't have. Last year we somehow passed a $10 billion dollar bond for a high speed rail system scheduled to be done in 2030. Not a very good investment. Sometimes I hate California.


By Spuke on 11/23/2009 4:48:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
For some reason we still like to spend money we don't have.
Yeah, this really overcooks my grits.


RE: California to close borders and keep nut jobs in...
By rcc on 11/20/2009 3:21:09 PM , Rating: 4
I voted for more Nuke power plants. And this is what we got.

Unfortunately, we are stuff with far too many liberals and bleeding hearts. Oh, and Hollywood, would someone pleeeeese take Hollywood??


By rcc on 11/23/2009 5:13:23 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, stuff s/b stuck.


Anything to promote saving power
By BZDTemp on 11/20/2009 3:32:41 PM , Rating: 1
On average a US citizen uses DOUBLE the amount of energy than a European and FIVE times what a Chinese citizen uses. And it is not like us in Europe do not need to do something but guess where it is easier to find savings.

If you don't care about CO2 and thinking green then care about your wallet and the US economy.

We are close to peak oil and some even say that we are there any second now. By then oil will become a lot more expensive and much more of an arm twisting tool which can be used on those depending on the black stuff.

The US spends a lot of money on importing oil and with the HUGE debt every cent is needed to save the US from basically become a Chinese property!




RE: Anything to promote saving power
By mindless1 on 11/20/2009 5:04:04 PM , Rating: 2
Envy sucks doesn't it?


RE: Anything to promote saving power
By BZDTemp on 11/20/2009 10:32:16 PM , Rating: 2
LOL - what is there to be envious about?

European cars may be a bit smaller than the US ones but that just means instead of sofas on wheels they are fun to drive. And as for housing I have seen how many US homes are build not with bricks like a house meant to last but more like glorified sheds - which is why they need a lot of energy to stay warm in the winter and cold in the summer. A US home uses twice the amount of energy for heat than a European one.


By Solandri on 11/21/2009 6:18:00 AM , Rating: 3
Not that I completely disagree (U.S. homes and cars are unnecessarily large IMHO). But there are some huge factors you're ignoring.

Western Europe is 1/4 the area of the U.S. A bit less than 1/3rd if you exclude Alaska. Transportation costs in the U.S. are correspondingly higher simply because population centers are further apart. (Europe does have a better rail system. The U.S. dismantled most of its in favor of less efficient highways and truck transport back when gas cost 5 cents/gal.)

The continental U.S. sits much further south than Europe. About half of Europe sits at a a latitude corresponding to Canada, not the U.S. About a third of the U.S. sits at the same latitude as North Africa. Consequently, Europe on average has harsher winters, and the homes focus more on energy efficiency for that reason.

If you go down to Mediterranean regions like Italy and Southern France, I think you'll find the homes there are not as energy efficient either simply because the ambient weather does not require it. If you could transplant half of Europe into North Africa, I think you'd also find Europeans demanding air conditioning as much as Americans do. (AC is much less energy efficient than heating.)

Prior to the discovery of North Shore oil, Europe had very little in the way of domestic oil supplies. The U.S. on the other hand had extensive oil deposits, and is basically the Middle East of the world's coal resources. So historically, energy has cost more in Europe than in the U.S., forcing Europeans to focus more on efficiency, while Americans could use energy more extravagantly.

Like I said, I don't completely disagree with you. But the answer is not as simple as "Americans should cut their energy use in half to match that of Europeans'," as your first post seems to imply. Canada sits at the same latitude as most of Europe, but its area is larger than the U.S., and they have extensive oil deposits (most of the oil the U.S. imports comes from Canada). Consequently, Canadians use more energy per capita than the U.S. despite the fact that their homes are smaller and more energy efficient than those in the U.S.


By Solandri on 11/21/2009 6:31:11 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The US spends a lot of money on importing oil and with the HUGE debt every cent is needed to save the US from basically become a Chinese property!

By that measure, Europe is doing much, much worse than the U.S. The U.S. ranks 52nd in external debt (public and private money owed to foreigners) with a debt of $0.76 per $1 of annual GDP. That is, if the U.S. devoted its entire GDP to paying off debts to foreigners, it could do so in just 0.76 years.

Ireland is #2, owing $6.25 per $1 of annual GDP to foreigners (would take them 6.25 years to pay off their foreign debt).
The U.K. is #5, owing $3.53 per $1 of GDP.
Netherlands #7, owing $2.89 per $1 of GDP
Switzerland #8, owing $2.84 per $1 of GDP
Sweden #16, owing $1.55 per $1 of GDP
France #18, owing $1.55 per $1 of GDP
Germany #22, owing $1.34 per $1 of GDP
Italy #30, owing $1.06 per $1 of GDP

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_deb_ext_perg...


RE: Anything to promote saving power
By Spuke on 11/23/2009 4:50:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
On average a US citizen uses DOUBLE the amount of energy than a European and FIVE times what a Chinese citizen uses.
So you guys average 500kWh a month?


By supergarr on 11/24/2009 8:40:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but how many europeans are there? And doesn't china have about 5 times the amount of people america has? We are always close to peak oil.


Saving Consumers Money?
By ICBM on 11/20/2009 11:34:13 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm, so they can save $30 on their electric bill annually, but how much more is it going to cost for one of these "new" efficient tvs?

How many people actually have LCD/Plasmas anyways? I know the lower income groups isn't loaded with the latest HD sets. Maybe they have smaller lcd sets like they have at Wal-mart, but these would use much less power than their larger brethren. So how much power is really going to be saved by this, or is it just a make us feel good move?




RE: Saving Consumers Money?
By Flunk on 11/20/2009 1:08:18 PM , Rating: 2
Tube TVs actually have the worst power consumption for their size. Even plasmas are a bit better and LCDs are much more efficient than either.

Granted, people tend to buy bigger LCDs than the tubes they replace but the size difference has to be preitty big to even equal the same power usage.


RE: Saving Consumers Money?
By ICBM on 11/20/2009 2:14:53 PM , Rating: 5
No doubt tube TVs were power eaters, but I would think the average tube tv is between 20"-25", that isn't too bad(power wise).

Here is something to think about. Replacing one incandescent bulb with a CFL bulb will save you the same or more than this efficient tv deal. The difference between a plasma and lcd is not that big, 20w maybe 30w. This is just a scam to try and make themselves look green.

Your AC is still your main drain. Your TV can't touch it.


RE: Saving Consumers Money?
By fic2 on 11/20/2009 3:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
According to the source article:

quote:
The regulations should have little effect on consumers for at least the first two years, commissioners said. About three-quarters of TV sets now in stores already comply with the 2011 standards, and 25% meet the tougher 2013 threshold.


So, this probably won't cost anything more.

ICBM you are correct - AC uses way more electricity. They probably could have saved more just by upping the minimum SEER requirement for installation of new AC units. I think minimum is 13 now (maybe 12), but upping it to 14 would probably bring huge KW savings.


RE: Saving Consumers Money?
By Morro on 11/20/2009 5:50:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The difference between a plasma and lcd is not that big, 20w maybe 30w.

Wow.. Actually it's more like 150W-200W or about 80% of LCD power consumption.
quote:
Your AC is still your main drain. Your TV can't touch it.

I use TV every day. I use AC 7 days a year. Are you sure it can't touch it? (And yes, I live in California)

On the other hand the power is not just wasted in the TV. With lower power consumption you are getting a dimmer picture, believe me or not.


Add another...
By Freezebyte on 11/20/2009 12:16:46 PM , Rating: 5
Reason not to move to California




RE: Add another...
By FITCamaro on 11/20/2009 1:19:05 PM , Rating: 3
Yup.

quote:
That isn't a lot of savings, but cumulatively across the state, the savings will add up to enough power to run 864,000 single-family homes.


What this doesn't say is that assumes everyone who has a TV that doesn't meet these new standards goes out and buys a new one. Hell and even thats an assumption. Who knows how many people this assumes are saving power.

If it weren't for the fact that our current government will bail California out if it's completely unable to operate, I'd say I look forward to California crashing and burning (more than it already has). But right now it just means the rest of the countries tax dollars going to keep this pathetic state's government running.

Republicans in the state legislature tried to get passed a law that would open up off shore drilling, thus providing the state with badly needed jobs and revenue, and it got shot down. California is the perfect example of what the rest of the country will become like if the idiots in Congress and the White House stay in charge too long.


only an issue for plasmas
By puffpio on 11/20/2009 1:15:14 PM , Rating: 4
For a 55" TV (1292.58 square inches of display), the first law would mean your TV could only consume 290.5W. LCDs already meets this TODAY! The end result is that they are trying to phase out plasmas since they use a crap load of electricity.

The next stricter law means your TV could only consume 180.1W..LED backlit LCDs already meet this TODAY!

This law is not tough to meet at all...modern TV's already fall under the requirements




RE: only an issue for plasmas
By fic2 on 11/20/2009 3:21:25 PM , Rating: 2
According to the source article:

quote:
The regulations should have little effect on consumers for at least the first two years, commissioners said. About three-quarters of TV sets now in stores already comply with the 2011 standards, and 25% meet the tougher 2013 threshold.


RE: only an issue for plasmas
By Zoomer on 11/20/2009 5:14:31 PM , Rating: 2
Too bad most movie buffs want plasmas for their superior black levels and better colors.

At least they are not using this:
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet...
Power Consumption (in Operation) : 250W


Funny Thing
By KeithP on 11/20/2009 1:33:24 PM , Rating: 4
The great thing about this bill is that some models won't be sold in California....at retail. People will still be able to buy them online thus completely bypassing the regulation.

And as icing on the cake, California will loose sales tax revenue for that online purchase of a big ticket item.

Gotta love that!

-KeithP




RE: Funny Thing
By scrapsma54 on 11/20/2009 8:03:53 PM , Rating: 2
Even funnier, the money going towards this bill could be saved up for an even better power grid in a couple years!

DOH!!!!!


RE: Funny Thing
By Spuke on 11/23/2009 4:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And as icing on the cake, California will loose sales tax revenue for that online purchase of a big ticket item.
This is what cracks me up the most. The driving out of state of the tax base. But at the same time they want more social programs and other pet (BS) projects. You can only tax people so much before it becomes cheaper to move somewhere else with even a pay reduction. I plan on moving to Arizona and as cheap(er) as things are there, I could easily take a $30k/yr pay cut and still have the same lifestyle. Actually, it would be better because I could afford to invest more.


Cheap TV's for no-one!!!! nahh.
By kleinwl on 11/20/2009 11:28:19 AM , Rating: 2
While I'm sure that all the TV manufactures will be able to meet these standards, it will eliminate some of the smaller players, reducing competition. However, since TV are becoming more of a commodity again, consolidation would have occured anyway. I think that overall, these regulations will have a very low impact on the average california buyer (or the nation as a whole).




By mindless1 on 11/20/2009 5:02:24 PM , Rating: 2
It won't eliminate smaller "players", TVs today are modularized to the extent a subsystem that gets changed becomes the new norm, and any company sufficiently technologically advanced to design and make a set is well aware of something simple like reducing power consumption, merely using a more efficient PSU and lowering brightness can meet that goal.


The real goal
By nafhan on 11/20/2009 12:19:34 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The goal is to save California residents money on their electric bills and to reduce the amount of energy consumed across the state according to the CEC.
The real goal is to make it look like they are doing something worthwhile, when they are really just trying to look busy and "green" friendly to cover up mistakes earlier in their terms.




Regulation?
By ATTFdiggs on 11/20/2009 12:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
I am curious how something like this gets enforced. Is there a CA agency that tests the sets to confirm they are in fact meeting the requirements to the new regulation? If so, what is the cost of having such an agency? Is it left to the resellers to confirm the specs on the sets?

This seems difficult if not impossible to enforce. Does the new regulation have a section for penalties if a company doesn't comply?




The Ship is Taking on Water...
By Dfere on 11/20/2009 2:18:48 PM , Rating: 2
And the captain issues an order that the crew is serve healthy food more expeditiously, thus lighting the boat. "It is undeniable that healthy food, served efficiently, is of a benefit to this ship and to the passengers". The crew then will start charging more for its service, of course. And the ship is STILL sinking.




By paydirt on 11/20/2009 3:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
...its budget.




By klstay on 11/20/2009 4:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
... it is full of Californians!

(Texass has a similar problem...)




So glad I dont live in Cali
By Soldier1969 on 11/20/2009 6:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
I use my oversized LCD to keep me warm on those chili nights here in Alabama. We dont really have winters and will never have those laws or homos either. Rednecks, fat bodies, dummies we do have plenty of but its open season for as many LCD tvs you want to buy to keep you warm at night. California needs to drop off in the Pacific kind of like in the movie 2012.




Durrrrr
By mckirkus on 11/20/2009 7:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
Manufacturers just dim the default brightness feature to pass the test. Also, they'll have a "store display" mode which will make them bright in store. Using this setting when you get home will make things normal again. Unless legislature has the brains to figure this out, which I really highly doubt.




Kalifornia
By btc909 on 11/20/2009 7:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
First off if you live in California the correct spelling is Kalifornia as long as the Govinator is still in office.

Now I know why many manufactures pulled out of the plasma market. They must have known some moron was pushing this state bill through.

So LCD sales are supposed to bring in a massive amount of revenue to bail out the state, yeah right. Oh wait it’s suppose to save the state from having to build more power plants. Once this rule is in place all you have to do is lower the per inch power consumption figures to squeeze the manufactures. In case you don’t know Kalifornia already has a TV recycling fee. If I was a manufacture I would make the TV power consumption just make the Kalifornia state power requirement.




Power used vs usage
By 0ldman on 11/21/2009 1:21:27 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly, lets assume people are going to go out and buy a new low power HDTV to replace their power hungry CRT. 80W vs 150+W = power saved.

The catch is its a shiny new toy, so their likely to play with their shiny new HDTV more and get a shiny new HDTV cable box/BluRay/PS3/XBox360 to go with it.

Trust me on this one, new toys = more usage, absolutely in the short term. The power savings won't even enter into it for years, if it ever does.




Savings for who?
By ira176 on 11/21/2009 2:35:47 AM , Rating: 2
California will undoubtedly reap the benefits of this new law. It'll cost manufacturers more to produce the more stringent energy efficient devices. In order to keep profit margins the same, the manufacturers will then pass the cost onto customers, and then customers will be spending far more for their T.V.'s than they should be. Of course CA will rake in pleanty of tax dollars from this. I don't think that this is a law to help save CA residents money on energy, because the way these new flat panel sets cost right now it would take way too many years to make up in energy savings. CA should build a new nuke plant or coal plant.




Fail . . Fail . . Fail . .
By blueboy09 on 11/21/2009 11:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
Just because they say it will doesn't mean diddily squat. I hope that the people of CA have a little more sense than to say that their damn TV is going to save the state from total doom. Come on, they can't even get the power grid straight enough without blackouts during the summertime. While it MAY help, the help in itself will be a small drop in a giant ass bucket. Hell, if they think that even those plug-in hybrids are going to be efficient, that's going to fail, when they realize that their power bill will not be cheaper but waaay more expensive cause the power companies will have to compensate somewhere for their losses in electricity when everybody who has one plugs in for the night! This doesn't make any sense to me. Instead of saving TV consumption, let's start by saving jobs that are desperately needed in that state, which will only save more money in the long run, but be more appreciated by the people of CA who are struggling as it is to make ends meet trying to pay a large-ass bill. (end of rant) - BLUEBOY




Retarded
By piroroadkill on 11/23/2009 8:21:15 AM , Rating: 2
Do they think that the manufacturer of a TV is putting in random, useless components just to waste power or something?

There's a limit to how much light you can produce from a given amount of electricity, and my guess is TVs will start to simply just get duller and duller, with maybe some kind of service menu hack to bring the backlight to full brightness again




saying goofy things
By ssjwes1980 on 11/20/2009 12:20:43 PM , Rating: 1
Even though I get downrated I still love yall! Love coming here and reading all the post back and forth very entertaining. One of my fav. sites!!




...
By ssjwes1980 on 11/20/09, Rating: -1
RE: ...
By mdogs444 on 11/20/2009 11:41:19 AM , Rating: 1
I bet they fall under Obama's "Too Big To Fail" category, thus are going to be on the receiving end of a $100B bailout.


RE: ...
By ssjwes1980 on 11/20/2009 12:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
they will but o well watcha gonna do? 6 states near the tipping point at the end of this year guess good times are ahead for all huh?


RE: ...
By kattanna on 11/20/2009 12:26:54 PM , Rating: 3
cali tried to balance its latest budget by making some very hard cuts, but now all those cuts are being sued by the special interest groups to have their portion re-instated.


RE: ...
By ssjwes1980 on 11/20/2009 2:40:59 PM , Rating: 2
I think thats one of the main problems is special interest groups no matter what side they support


RE: ...
By kfonda on 11/20/2009 3:31:03 PM , Rating: 3
CA may be 'too big to fail' but it's also 'too stupid to succeed'. I think it's a paradox. Maybe we should just give it to Mexico.


RE: ...
By Cygni on 11/20/2009 11:59:47 AM , Rating: 3
Feel free to not live here. :)


RE: ...
By ssjwes1980 on 11/20/2009 12:07:58 PM , Rating: 4
But if I dont live there Ill miss all the nice rolling blackouts they have!


RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 11/20/2009 1:23:11 PM , Rating: 2
Done.

I got offered a job there at $50-55/hr. I turned it down.


RE: ...
By ssjwes1980 on 11/20/2009 2:43:20 PM , Rating: 2
cost of living would be a b&^%*


RE: ...
By Spuke on 11/20/2009 3:59:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I got offered a job there at $50-55/hr. I turned it down.
I live here (not from here though) and although I like the weather and the diverse geography, I'm moving as soon as I can sell my house. The politicians are crazy here. I've never seen an us against them mentality on the state level. The federal government ain't got sh!t on these people.


RE: ...
By Spuke on 11/20/2009 4:34:07 PM , Rating: 2
Let me add that whenever they put some BS up for a vote and we shoot all of it down they have the nerve to get on TV and wonder WTF happened. Then they spend the next two months insulting us. LOL!


RE: ...
By thurston on 11/21/2009 12:45:34 PM , Rating: 2
Plus it's much easier working for a family member.


"I'm an Internet expert too. It's all right to wire the industrial zone only, but there are many problems if other regions of the North are wired." -- North Korean Supreme Commander Kim Jong-il

DailyTech Poll
Do you use copy/paste on your smartphone? 




16 Comments









botimage
Copyright 2010 DailyTech LLC. - RSS Feed | Advertise | About Us | Ethics | FAQ | Terms, Conditions & Privacy Information | Kristopher Kubicki