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New plan to control electricity usage stirs controversy

To some, it's a simple, necessary step to safeguard the public. To others, an Orwellian nightmare.

Next year, California lawmakers will fit homes and buildings with special radio-controlled thermostats to help manage electricity shortages. The utility will transmit a suggested temperature setting through the Internet to local radio transmitters, which will then forward it via radio to the homes.

Consumers are allowed to override the suggested setting if they wish-- except when energy prices are soaring. At that point, the utility can dictate the temperature to reduce electricity demand, and avoid the possibility of outages.

The new rules, circulated by the California Energy Commission, would apply only to new and remodeled homes and buildings, for now. In the future, the program could be expanded to all structures.

Joseph Somsel, a San Jose-based journalist, attacked the proposal as yet another encroachment on civil liberties. He also worries that the signals could potentially be hacked, with possibly severe consequences.

"That's not possible," says California utility PG&E spokesperson Nicole Tam, because, "radio pages are encrypted and encoded."

To others, the state should focus on increasing capacity, rather than forcing residents to reduce demand. In an email to the Energy Commission, a Californian called the prooosal an outrage. "We need to build new facilities to handle the growth in the state, not become Big Brother to the citizens of California," it stated.



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Will not work and there are better options...
By Marlin1975 on 1/14/2008 11:03:23 AM , Rating: 5
Just charge more when you hit a certain usage. If you use X then pay y. If you use x2 then pay y2 and so on. That would not change anything and make people reduce their usage.

On top of that all someone has to do it take a hair dryer to their "new" thermostat and make it work any time they want. So it will not do much of anything except those that leave it to low when they leave the house. A programable thermostat would cover that and not bother people as much. They could even offer a rebate and show people how to use it.




RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By Souka on 1/14/2008 11:19:01 AM , Rating: 1
I thought they'd already done, or were doing, something similar to water heaters...which makes complete sense.

Oh well...good for Cali I guess. Power grid is "good" but its real weakness is peak useage, which can overload it causing large blackouts.


RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By Ammohunt on 1/14/2008 2:33:29 PM , Rating: 4
Hmmm i have an idea! How about build more power plants in order to meet electricity demand? Nahhh thats way too easy!


By djc208 on 1/15/2008 7:42:26 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call it easy. No one wants a power plant near their home and there's a home near everything. Then there's the environmental impact. Someone will be protesting the CO2 effects of a coal or natural gas plant. Nuclear plants create even more complaints, and "green" sources tend to be slower to build, need more room, and have limited applicability.

It is however the only viable long term solution. Saving energy works in the short term but it's not like the population is shrinking, more people are going to want energy and people can only be so efficient and are only going to give up so much to save that energy.

They should limit this to commercial applications for now if they want it to have a chance. There are situations where it can't be done (like data centers, etc.) but it will be easier to step on the rights of a business than the people (voters) of the area.


RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By qwertyz on 1/14/08, Rating: 0
By FITCamaro on 1/14/2008 4:55:29 PM , Rating: 4
Uh no. The rest of the US is nothing like that. This is Commifornia at its best. Instead of solving the problem, they're just limiting people's usage of power.


By EricMartello on 1/14/2008 6:12:16 PM , Rating: 1
California is to the USA as the USA is to the rest of the world. =)

Actually, if I were to personify California: imagine a fat and bitchy girlfriend who think she is the hottest thing around and always has to get her way...yet she refuses to do anything to please her man. Kinda like that.


By suryad on 1/15/2008 9:03:43 AM , Rating: 1
How is a fat bitchy girl your girlfriend in the first place? ;-P


By rcc on 1/18/2008 3:20:10 PM , Rating: 2
Your imagery is off.

Picture a hot tanned beach babe, with an IQ of 140+. The fact that she's vegan is a bit annoying, as it her tendancy toward liberalism. But despite these problems, she still has a bigger "GDP" than most countries in the world.


By roastmules on 1/14/2008 11:21:42 AM , Rating: 5
I say just give me a readout of what the current rate is. Let the market decide what temperature to be at... If demand is high, then keep raising the rates until demand meets supply.
There's a lot more to demand than simply AC. What about hair dryers, laundry, cooking, lights, etc? Charge based on both current use as well as using too much within a month.
Look at simple market economics. Why does the government want to try to become an command economy, like the Soviet Union?
Let the market set the rates!


RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By AntiM on 1/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By mdogs444 on 1/14/2008 11:27:38 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps you're right.... I hope you do not have children - then it'll be one less enviro-nazi passing along his genes.


RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By FITCamaro on 1/14/2008 4:57:15 PM , Rating: 2
I say we start with people who believe as he does.


By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 1/16/2008 10:57:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yep, you're right. We should all just have tons of kids and let them worry about it. F**k 'em if they can't take a joke. Haha on them. At least we get to do whatever the heck we want, which is the American way! Right on dudes! You are so smart. S-M-R-T, I mean S-M-A-R-T! Woo-hoo!

Just getting into the libertarian spirit.


By bighairycamel on 1/14/2008 11:27:47 AM , Rating: 2
And how to you suggest we choose which 2 billion to exterminate? Cause you know you cant control child births across the entire planet... especially with different religious beliefs, customs, lack of birth controls in various regions.

Just got a nasty image in my head of the South Park episode where they wanted to prevent the future to protect their "jerbs"... some things you cant unsee.


By masher2 (blog) on 1/14/2008 11:31:05 AM , Rating: 2
> "I think we hit our limit at around 4 billion"

People said the same thing when world population hit 800 million, some two centuries ago. And yet today, we're healthier, better fed and housed than ever.

Just extending modern agricultural technology to the Third World will allow global population to hit 12 billion. Assume future advances in technology, and 20+ billion isn't a problem. There really are no barriers to growth.


RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By probedb on 1/14/2008 11:45:02 AM , Rating: 2
Except the physical amount of land on the planet....then I guess we move underwater...or do the sensible thing and invest in finding other planets to live on :)


By masher2 (blog) on 1/14/2008 11:52:21 AM , Rating: 3
Nearly all the land on the planet is undeveloped. And don't forget the vertical dimension...even in the US, the majority of the population lives in structures of just one or two stories.

Put people in Manhattan-style apartments, and you fit four times the world population in just the state of Texas, with the rest of the world wholly unpopulated.


RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By Ammohunt on 1/14/2008 2:49:08 PM , Rating: 2
Sim city Arcologies?


By jtemplin on 1/15/2008 2:47:12 AM , Rating: 2
Weren't mutant freaks living in the ventilation shafts of the cheapo ones...creepy.


RE: Will not work and there are better options...
By AntiM on 1/14/08, Rating: 0