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Cadillac turns up the pressure on zee Germans

Cadillac has seen a resurgence in the luxury market over the past decade mainly due to its CTS luxury sedan (a "tweener" which fits smack dab in between a BMW 3-Series and 5-Series when it comes to size). This time around, Cadillac is aiming straight at its German rivals in the compact luxury sedan market with the ATS.
 
The ATS clearly has the BMW 3-Series, Mercedes C-Class, and Audi A4 in its crosshairs -- in fact, its exterior and interior dimensions closely mirror those of the new F30 BMW 3-Series. When it comes to styling, there's no mistaking the ATS for anything other than a Cadillac, as it closely resembles a shrunken CTS with fewer hard edges and a smaller grille.

 
When it comes to the engine lineup, Cadillac is joining most other manufacturers by downsizing across the board. The following gasoline engines are confirmed for the ATS:
  • 2.5-liter inline-4 (200hp/188 lb-ft)
  • 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-4 (270hp/260 lb-ft)
  • 3.6-liter V6 (318hp/267 lb-ft)
In a rather unexpected move, Cadillac also told reporters yesterday that the ATS would receive a diesel engine within this design cycle. There’s no word on what diesel engine will go into the ATS, but the Cruze-D’s upcoming diesel powerplant is one possible option.

 
In order to improve fuel efficiency and vehicle dynamics across the board, the ATS will be among the lightest sedans in its class with a curb weight of less than 3,400 pounds. The ATS will also meet the "magic" 50/50 weight balance that is sought by enthusiasts. Six-speed manual and automatic transmissions will be available on the ATS and AWD will be an option.
 
“There are plenty of powerful sports sedans on the market, but they can feel ponderous and heavy – that’s not the case with the ATS, which feels light on its feet and immediately responsive when you put your foot down,” said Mike Anderson, global chief engineer for the Cadillac four-cylinder engines. “Best of all, it’s efficient, guilt-free driving satisfaction, because the power-dense engines and low vehicle weight combine for good fuel economy.”


Sources: Cadillac, (2), (3), Autoguide



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By Beenthere on 1/10/2012 8:27:47 AM , Rating: 2
The ATS is typical Caddy styling. It's OK but not great. More than likely less than 1% of current German car owners would ever consider a Caddy be it the ATS, CTS or other models. Unless you've driven quality German luxury models most people have no idea how inept U.S. models are by comparison.




By rudolphna on 1/10/2012 10:29:22 AM , Rating: 1
And unless you've driven the comparable US Models are, you have no idea how wrong, and irrelevant your statement is. The CTS-V gets around the nurburgring in less than 8 minutes. The ATS-V spend a ton of development time on that very same road. Maybe you should stop being a german fanboy, and actually accept facts.


By rudolphna on 1/10/2012 10:30:09 AM , Rating: 1
Correction, the standard ATS, not ATS-V (which we need. Come on GM, you have an M5 fighter, let's see an m3 fighter)


By Beenthere on 1/10/2012 11:19:21 AM , Rating: 2
Having actually driven the Caddy models I know of what I speak. If you're one of the 1%, great enjoy. Some people can't differentiate the properties from one make to another so they would be happy with almost any car.


By chunkymonster on 1/10/2012 2:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
Count me as one of the 1%.

Been waiting for American car makers to get on board and start putting out diesel power plants.

Looking forward to an American luxury sedan with low-end torque and mid-range without the need for a gas guzzling V8.


By Spuke on 1/10/2012 3:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Looking forward to an American luxury sedan with low-end torque and mid-range without the need for a gas guzzling V8.
Then you'll be waiting a LONG time as diesel engines produce all of their power on the low end. Nature of the beast.


By douchefree on 1/10/2012 7:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
My issue with german cars is how unreliable they are (and how bad their resale value is).
I'd be great if they spent some time making these cars something other than overpriced.


Interesting choices
By Keeir on 1/9/2012 4:27:34 PM , Rating: 2
That's an interesting color choice for the promo shots...

Those colors make the interior look pretty busy and unusable. The one they have at the show I think is in black... which helps.

Not really impressed with this car overall. It may have great driving dynamics, but most of the reasons why I wouldn't buy a BMW seem the same or even worse with this car...




RE: Interesting choices
By chrnochime on 1/9/2012 5:18:31 PM , Rating: 2
And the reasons would be?


RE: Interesting choices
By tastyratz on 1/18/2012 4:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
Being an unemployed or low income American?

statistically my guess is pretty likely


RE: Interesting choices
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/9/2012 6:24:05 PM , Rating: 2
I included another shot of the interior with different coloring.


RE: Interesting choices
By Spuke on 1/9/2012 6:38:02 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the extra photo. I think it looks good. But I'll still have to sit in it and see it in person.


New infotainment system
By alcalde on 1/9/2012 10:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
The ATS shown here looks to be running the new CUE system, which from what I've seen is very, very nice. While I'm in love with the Cadillac CTS, I'm jealous it won't be getting CUE yet and the ATS will. :-) You can check out CUE being shown off here inside the yet-to-debut Cadillac XTS:

http://youtu.be/JvzIrzFFH_Y




RE: For the sake of Tradition...
By Apone on 1/10/2012 12:42:23 PM , Rating: 2
@ Alexvrb

- Forgive me for actually having a busy life and not spending all my time on Dailytech and researching cars unlike yourself. Also, your rant about camshafts and pushrods indicate you know nothing about business and what it takes to survive (which was my original point). And spare me your rant about OHV applications; bottom line, OHV will not keep GM in business or help it flourish. The Corvette Z06,ZR-1, and CTS-V would definitely make Audi, BMW, Ford, and Nissan nervous if it used multi-cam technology (like the LT5 engine), variable valve timing and direct injection.

@ Masospaghetti

- Incredible yes, practical no.

To everyone, why are you so adverse to change? Yeah I get it, OHV is awesome but let's face reality, it's just outdated now and this is the kind of stubbornness and traditionalism that lead to GM's bankruptcy.




For the sake of Tradition...
By Apone on 1/9/12, Rating: -1
RE: For the sake of Tradition...
By rudolphna on 1/9/12, Rating: -1
RE: For the sake of Tradition...
By Apone on 1/9/2012 6:41:44 PM , Rating: 2
@ rudolphna

- 5th person? Really? Because I don't see you repeating yourself 4 other times on this article. Relax before you bust a blood vessel. Oh, and I was saying "I hope.." (meaning I was speculating) because I didn't have enough time to thoroughly research the ATS's complete manufacturing background before posting my comment. Oh, and just because the Cruze is front-wheel drive doesn't mean GM still couldn't use its chassis & powertrain and turn it into AWD to make it more competitive. (If GM wanted to)


By rudolphna on 1/9/2012 7:00:19 PM , Rating: 1
You are the 5th person. The other 4 were in places other than on DT.


RE: For the sake of Tradition...
By Alexvrb on 1/9/2012 10:58:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh, and I was saying "I hope.." (meaning I was speculating) because I didn't have enough time to thoroughly research the ATS's complete manufacturing background before posting my comment.
So basically you like talking out of your tailpipe. You don't know anything about these cars - time to run your mouth! Oh man, that 5 seconds you'd have to spend in Google searching for "Cadillac ATS platform" would really kill you. First few links indicate that its a new, smaller RWD-based platform. Alpha to be exact.


RE: For the sake of Tradition...
By rich876 on 1/9/2012 6:30:23 PM , Rating: 3
The new Corvettes still have pushrods and has been winning races more than any other sport car. What have you got to say about that?


RE: For the sake of Tradition...
By Apone on 1/9/12, Rating: 0
RE: For the sake of Tradition...
By Alexvrb on 1/9/2012 10:53:17 PM , Rating: 4
You're a biased fool if you judge an engine exclusively by quantity and position of camshafts. Next you're going to tell me that HP/liter is somehow a valid measurement of an engine's efficiency (hint: it's not). This is why car reviews are done by driving the car, not just looking at the number of valves and scoffing. LS engines produce great power while remaining reliable and reasonably efficient, and the CTS-V and ZR-1 are doing quite well despite your mocking of their OHV motors.

For high-performance, high-output applications, OHV isn't really a disadvantage if it's done right. For smaller engines, it's a different story. The same company that produces LS engines also produces some very nice 323HP naturally aspirated 3.6L motors and even a 270HP, 295 ft-lb 2.0L turbocharged mill. They're not behind on high-tech small engines. But for the bigger engines, the LS motors work great, competing against some of the best engines out there. They'll replace them when it's time, hopefully the replacement will be as powerful and reliable.


By Masospaghetti on 1/10/2012 11:42:26 AM , Rating: 1
You are a blithering idiot if you discredit the LS-series motors because they use pushrods. The fact they can produce that much power with such good efficiency with a single camshaft and such a small form factor is incredible.


Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By retrospooty on 1/9/12, Rating: -1
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/9/2012 5:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
I would take the ATS over any one of those German sedans. I think it looks pretty damn sharp.


By retrospooty on 1/9/2012 5:37:42 PM , Rating: 5
"thus making it look like an old man with his pants pulled up too high"

[old man] eh, boy, i tell ya, in my day I could go to the drive through and fit a bucket of chicken through the window. These damn new cars, you have to open the door to get it in the car... Damn tiny new fangled windows [/old man]

hee hee hee


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By alcalde on 1/9/2012 10:15:51 PM , Rating: 3
If you think the Cadillac and the Camaro are "ugly" ( never heard the Camaro called that before; aerodynamic as a brick, yes; but ugly?) what's your idea of a good-looking car?

At least you can identify a Cadillac CTS and a Camaro on the road; try telling a BMW apart from most other cars at most angles (or even one BMW from another).


By retrospooty on 1/10/2012 8:04:41 PM , Rating: 2
"what's your idea of a good-looking car?"

The Infinity G35, Ford Mustang, BMW's in the early 2000's were awesome, Acura TL up until the latest uglyfied model, hell, even the new Accord is pretty slick.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=23732


By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2012 7:34:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I would take the ATS over any one of those German sedans.


Brandon you're on crack. You are completely strung out and need help dude.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/9/2012 7:41:37 PM , Rating: 2
Crack? Nope.

The Audi A4 is bland as hell, as is the interior. Audi is known for their quality interiors, but that boring mess isn't winning me over. Also, the 2.0T in the A4 is weak, and you have to spend $$$ to the S4 to get a decent set of balls on the thing.

The C-Class has never impressed me at all. NEVER. EVER.

The F30 3-Series is the "one to beat" and I actually like it quite a bit. However, I think that a lot of the new design is fussy (especially the hood cut line, and the way the headlights meet the grille). BMW's are also pricey as hell; add a few options and you're screwed.

The ATS offers the best balance to me as far as powertrain, looks inside and out, and it will likely undercut the Germans by thousands. My choice would be a CTS 2.0T with 6-speed stick.

Even better, an ATS-V.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2012 7:57:05 PM , Rating: 2
A4 bland? Okay whatever, you must have it confused with Volvo apparently. I soundly reject this new styling trend of crazy angles, cheese wedged read ends like the ATS, and tons of plastic body trim. I actually appreciate the A4's styling. It's understated, NOT bland. There's something to be said for understatement in styling.

Vehicle styling is like cooking. Sometimes less is more. If you try to make your dish too tasty, you end up with the Aztec.

The ATS is okay looking, not loving that cheese wedged rear that's Acura made famously ugly, but come on, saying this untested GM "beats" all the German competition based on a picture and some statistics is CRAZY. Taking an ATS over the BMW F30 3?? Come on Brandon! That's crazy talk.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/9/2012 8:07:27 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't say that it beats them. I said I would take it over them. I would never drive an ATS/3er/A4/C-Class to even 7/10ths of what they're capable of, so I'll stick with what I think looks the best, offers the best value, and feels "right" to me.

Also, arguing about styling is pointless -- no one wins that battle :)


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/9/2012 8:14:24 PM , Rating: 2
And to add to that, the CTS is a pretty respected vehicle on its own, especially the CTS-V. I have no doubt that the ATS will be even better due to its lighter weight and what GM went though to get the handling "right"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrlEslW0kQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbhVGY2CWgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUTv-GlrMMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1cZA6bFMQc


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By Spuke on 1/10/2012 10:07:15 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that the A4 is bland and the Golf engine is seriously low rent. It's ridiculous you have to pay $50k to get a halfway decent engine in the Audi's. That's why you'll never see one in my driveway. The ATS would be the better choice IMO.


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By mellomonk on 1/10/2012 1:22:03 PM , Rating: 2
You realize that your so called 'Golf' engine, is a family of TurboI4s that up until this past year, had been a member of Ward's 10 Best Engine list for almost a decade? A list that carries considerable clout among engineers and real car people who know that there is more to life then peak horsepower at high rpms. See definition 'flat torque curve' & 'industry benchmark'.

Direct injection versions of the same family are just around the corner and will be the bread and butter of much of the vehicles that the VW Group manufactures.


By Spuke on 1/10/2012 3:41:27 PM , Rating: 2
Yep just go ahead and put words in my mouth. I know full well about area under the curve. The torque curve in my engine is just as flat and has 40ish more lb-ft PLUS 50 more hp on top of that. There's ZERO excuse for a car of that caliber to have a LOW RENT motor! Only Audi could have people fooled into thinking that economy car engine is of the same caliber as BMW's or even Infiniti's 6 cylinders (they certainly fooled you). And I could care less about what Ward or any other automotive publication thinks. Seriously? The same people that can't get over having electronics in a car in 20 freakin 11. Yeah, I'll take their word for it. :rollseyes:


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By alcalde on 1/9/2012 10:17:21 PM , Rating: 2
The Cadillac CTS-V coupe and sedan regularly bested its foreign rivals in auto mag match-ups and was named one of the best cars in America; why shouldn't the ATS end up doing the same?


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By V-Money on 1/9/2012 11:52:04 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
this has about 200 less HP than the CTS-V Coupe

It also weighs 900 lbs less, I love my V-coupe, but when I had it weighed at the weigh station it rang up at ~4300.

quote:
What mags do you read? The CTS-V came in last place in Motortrend's match up with the M3, of course, besting the field.

Thats funny, in this Motortrend comparison the V beat out the M-5 http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_090...
and in this Motortrend the V beat out the X6M http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_090...
Now I admit, in the comparison you were looking at it came in third place, but the biggest complaint was the transmission, because it was a 6 gear slushbox being compared to 2-7 speed dual clutch type. If you look at another review comparing the 2 but with the V having a 6 speed manual (like mine, and for the record, the beamer has a 6 speed in this test as well) the results went the other way. http://www.insideline.com/cadillac/cts-v/2011/comp...

Now don't get me wrong, I love Beamers and I almost bought an M3, but I am glad I picked the V over it and I guarantee you I receive a lot more compliments for it inside and out than I would in an M3. In the end it just comes down to personal taste.


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By bah12 on 1/10/2012 11:19:22 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, I've personally owned both (granted not the same model year) and the V has my vote hands down. My M3 had nothing but problems, in fact I have 3 siblings that all had 5 series, and they had nothing but issues too. Not small issues either one had an engine replaced under warranty, and another a tranny. I'll never buy BMW's again after the fiasco that was my M3. Their nice cars sure, but IMO dump them quick once the warranty is out.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2012 5:21:20 PM , Rating: 1
And ask anyone who bought a Cetara how "reliable" Cadillac is. In the past you say? The 2011 Escalade made Consumer Reports worst value list of 2011. A freaking $60K+ purchase! CTS also has it's share of problems.

Not saying BMW doesn't have it's problems, but if you think your M3 had problems just wait and see how that Caddy treats you. Good luck!


By V-Money on 1/10/2012 8:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Cetara
'Nuff said :-)
I've had my V for about 14 months now and Cadillac has taken great care of me. The only problem I've had so far was when some kids egged my car it ate through the paint, the dealership repainted the entire side of the car for me under warranty, they got me in the next day and I got it back a couple days later. Once again, I'm not badmouthing Beamers, they make great cars, I just prefer my Cadillac.


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By bah12 on 1/11/2012 11:32:48 AM , Rating: 2
I've owned 5 caddy's. SRX, CTS, 2 CTS-V's and an Escalade. I've had them in the shop for a total of 0 times. Not saying that they don't have issues, but if Centara is your best argument you're a lost cause. I have first hand knowledge of 4 seperate BMW's (siblings not "friends") each of which had them in the shop more than 3 times each, and 2 of them for engine/tranny replacements. My M3 was in over a dozen times, all relating to alignment and control arm issues. They actually replace the control arm 3 separate times! Now part of that was clearly a dealership issue as most of the problems stopped once I drove 20 extra miles to a different one.

Come back to me when you have anywhere near the 1st hand experience I've had with both brands, until then it is clear you have an anti-GM bias and are just talking out your ass with no real first hand ownership.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/11/2012 4:00:28 PM , Rating: 1
There's a word you need to look up: myopic.

First hand experience does not trump statistics gathered from thousands or millions of sources and verified in an objective fashion.

By your argument I should smoke cigars for 50+ years because, hey, George Burns never got cancer from them so I should be just fine.

quote:
until then it is clear you have an anti-GM bias


Right I have clear bias. So does Edmunds, Consumer Reports, etc etc. It's one big conspiracy.


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By Samus on 1/10/2012 6:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
The A4 is the most boring car I have ever seen. The only styling element it has are useless LED running lights made in a Chinese factory and well known to be failure-prone.

The car is a joke. I feel sorry for anybody who owns one. They are maintenance nightmares, ride like crap, cost too much (remember, it's a Jetta) and get awful fuel economy (probably because they weigh over 2 tons)

On the flipside, I think the A3 is adorbal, and for the money, the diesel is the most balanced diesel-powered car on the market.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2012 11:06:19 AM , Rating: 2
You know I'm not offended by your A4 trolling right? I don't think it's some amazing car, I just don't think it's fair to say they are "bland" at all trim levels. Saying it's the most boring car you've ever seen is, frankly, bullcrap. I'm pretty sure Honda Accords and Toyota Corolla's win that crown. The Malibu etc etc, god there are SO many. At least when you see an A4 you know what it is.

quote:
On the flipside, I think the A3 is adorbal


The HATCHBACK!? Okay well I guess there's no accounting for taste lol. Get real. There's no way a hatchback beats a sport sedan on looks in this case.


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By Spuke on 1/10/2012 12:01:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't think it's some amazing car, I just don't think it's fair to say they are "bland" at all trim levels.
Then I'll say it. I think the A4 is bland in ALL trim levels. I look at the A5/S5 and wonder how the A4 could come from the same car company. The A4 is seriously MEH! I'd MUCH rather drive a Sonata and yes I know they're not in the same class.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2012 4:42:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I look at the A5/S5 and wonder how the A4 could come from the same car company.


Uhh that makes no sense. Notice the price difference between the two? That's like me saying I look at the ZR-1 Corvette and wonder how GM could crank out something as bland as the Malibu lol. Hello? If Malibu's looked like Vette's, there would be less reason to up the ante and buy an actual Corvette.

I just think there's a fine line between bland and understated styling. The A4 strikes a good balance. It's not terribly ugly, but it's not juvenile or tacky looking either.


By mellomonk on 1/10/2012 1:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The A4 is the most boring car I have ever seen. The only styling element it has are useless LED running lights made in a Chinese factory and well known to be failure-prone. The car is a joke. I feel sorry for anybody who owns one. They are maintenance nightmares, ride like crap, cost too much (remember, it's a Jetta) and get awful fuel economy (probably because they weigh over 2 tons)


Wow, Thanks for trolling. Now please get in your Cobalt and hit the road. Thanks.


By Lord 666 on 1/10/2012 3:48:39 PM , Rating: 2
Guess you are forgetting the A3 TDI is a Jetta too.


By Masospaghetti on 1/10/2012 11:44:22 AM , Rating: 3
You talk crap about a car that isn't even available yet? That you haven't driven?

Reclaimer's thought process: Anything related to GM / Obama -> INSTANTLY HATE


By Reclaimer77 on 1/11/2012 4:03:39 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not talking crap about it at all. Your reading comprehension just sucks balls.

You're not even making sense. The people claiming this car is better than "any" German brand haven't even driven it or owned it either. Why are you not trolling them for their equally unsubstantiated opinions?


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By Alexvrb on 1/9/2012 11:03:53 PM , Rating: 3
I like it, but what I like most about it is that it is built on the new Alpha platform. Depending on pricing, that 2.0 Turbo model might be a sweet buy. Looks like pretty much the same setup as in the GS, but it's much lighter and more nimble. Like 300+ lbs lighter. Anyway there are always plenty of mods for these DI Ecotec turbo engines too, might even turn out to be easier to build up than the 3.6L.

Now they just need to build an Alpha-based Camaro. I like the looks and power of the current Camaro, and it even handles pretty good for such a heavy car, but its Holden roots are just too portly. An Alpha Camaro will be leaner and meaner.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/9/2012 11:11:27 PM , Rating: 2
I think that's the plan; to base the next generation Camaro on Alpha. But then again, the current Camaro is selling like hotcakes so there's no rush :)


RE: Cadillac will beat the german competitors...
By rich876 on 1/9/2012 6:24:04 PM , Rating: 2
I think you need glasses. This car is a great looking car!


By Paj on 1/10/2012 7:22:30 AM , Rating: 2
No it isn't. Its dog-ugly.


By fishman on 1/10/2012 6:53:58 AM , Rating: 2
At least it's not as bad as BMW's styling - the 3 series looks horrible.


Hahaha
By McDragon on 1/9/12, Rating: -1
RE: Hahaha
By fic2 on 1/9/2012 6:00:37 PM , Rating: 2
My brother in law turned in his 7-series 3-4 years ago for a Caddy. His dream car had always been a 7-series. After having it for several years and things continually going bad on it (nav system/electronic display) and being told it would cost $15k to fix everything that had gone wrong with it he decided to try a Caddy. He now tells me that he wouldn't go back.


RE: Hahaha
By rudolphna on 1/9/2012 6:12:45 PM , Rating: 1
Apparently you've never driven a CTS-V. Even Top Gear UK, which are notriously horrid on american cars, loved the CTS-V when they drove it in the States. You must own a BMW, because your a cock.


RE: Hahaha
By dubldwn on 1/9/2012 6:24:56 PM , Rating: 2
You're. You're a cock.

All's I wanna know is if i can get a manual and AWD.


RE: Hahaha
By rich876 on 1/9/2012 6:26:21 PM , Rating: 2
Your in for a rude awakening.


RE: Hahaha
By Spuke on 1/9/2012 6:33:44 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you haven't driven anything in the last 20 years. The CTS is pretty awesome. Had one for a rental car for a week. Very nice car. Blew us away (we were expecting good but not great). It's on my wife's list as her next car (list is kinda long though). Drove a CTS-V a few weeks ago. WOW! That's how a car should be done!!! I've driven almost everything BMW has made for the last 25 years. Some are just awesome and others are overrated. Infiniti's G is just as good and probably more reliable and definitely cheaper IMO. Regardless, BMW is on my wife's list too.


RE: Hahaha
By alcalde on 1/9/2012 10:23:40 PM , Rating: 2
Please research this. The Cadillac CTS-V has beaten BMWs, Mercedes and Audis in auto magazine roundups, even besting cars 30K more expensive.

For instance:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_090...


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