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Feinstein will have to decide whether an apology is good enough, or if some further action is required

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) confessed to spying on Senate computers and then apologized for the action, according to McClatchy DC

The CIA said it spied on the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee's computers during an investigation of CIA interrogation tactics and secret prisons for terrorism suspects. 

CIA Director John Brennan reportedly informed Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the Senate committee's chair, and its senior Republican, Sen. Saxby Chambliss, of the spying and immediately apologized. 

Between 2001 and 2008, President Bush authorized the CIA and military intelligence officers to use torture on suspected militants in groups such as al Qaeda without the permission of Congress.  

In 2009, President Obama ordered an end to the torture campaign. From there, the Senate began to investigate whether the CIA's torture campaign was legal and whether it positively or negatively impacted national security.

A special site was then set up in northern Virginia where Senate Intelligence Committee members and their staff could read through about 6.2 million pages of unindexed documents.  The idea was to protect Congress from seeing documents that could endanger national security and stop the CIA from interfering with the investigation.


CIA Director John Brennan

But in in 2009 and 2010, Senators started noticing documents they had been using were disappearing. The CIA was notified, and the agency seemed to indicate that its employees had accessed the machines through remote backdoors and deleted certain files. 
 
But the CIA never actually admitted to doing that. 

In late 2010, the Senators got their hands on a document called "internal Panetta review."  The CIA tried to destroy the document, as it would call the agency out. 

The CIA had reportedly accessed the computers at the neutral facility, had agents hack into Senate laptops and delete many of the remaining copies of the document. Further, the CIA tried to press charges against the Senate staff that accepted the document (which it claims was stolen) and mplied that Senate staffers had hacked it. 

The Senate review, which is a 6,300-page report, was eventually finished, but was classified. It concluded that torture had not produced anti-terrorism results. 

The White House is expected to deliver a declassified summary of the committee's report to Congress by the end of this week.

Feinstein will have to decide whether an apology is good enough, or if some further action is required.

Source: McClatchy DC



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We're sorry
By Kefner on 7/31/2014 8:38:12 PM , Rating: 5
RE: We're sorry
By shabby on 7/31/2014 9:44:45 PM , Rating: 3
This sets a dangerous precedent when you can simply apologize for any wrong doing...


RE: We're sorry
By chµck on 7/31/2014 10:21:40 PM , Rating: 3
why ask for permission when you can ask for forgiveness


RE: We're sorry
By Nightbird321 on 8/1/2014 9:20:05 AM , Rating: 5
Right now..

CIA=master
Congress=slaves

CIA: "I'm sorry for whipping you, but it's for your own good."


RE: We're sorry
By GotThumbs on 8/1/2014 9:55:19 AM , Rating: 4
This started occurring under the 'Leadership' of the most "Transparent" POTUS?

The core foundation of our nation has begun to crumble. Are we to follow in the footsteps of failed nations? Rome, Aztec and Maya civilizations. Once great civilizations of industry and innovation, brought to ruin.

Obama IS the worst president EVER. He's followed through on his promise. "transforming the United States of America".

“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America .” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008

“We are going to have to change our conversation; we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history; we’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation.” — Michelle Obama, May 14, 2008

God Save the United States.


RE: We're sorry
By Jeffk464 on 8/1/2014 1:30:46 PM , Rating: 2
The very closest analogy I have found is the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It is almost a step for step parallel for the fall of the US Empire.


RE: We're sorry
By drycrust3 on 8/1/2014 5:00:56 PM , Rating: 2
The sad part is your leaders don't seem to mind that your country is slowly sinking in the mire.


RE: We're sorry
By kilkennycat on 8/1/2014 7:13:17 PM , Rating: 2
The Fall of the Roman Empire also. Hedonism springs immediately to mind.


RE: We're sorry
By Piiman on 8/2/2014 11:45:35 AM , Rating: 3
it started long before. Remember the so called "Patriot" Act?

Oh and thanks for the out of context half quotes they show your bias and agenda.


RE: We're sorry
By flatrock on 8/1/2014 7:59:56 AM , Rating: 1
The idiots at the CIA who did this can kiss their security clearances goodbye and therefore their jobs.

Criminal prosecution is up to the Justice Department, not the Senate.

The Senate Committee will need to determine if there needs to be additional laws regarding how the CIA operates, and if they need to provide additional oversight.

It sounds like more oversight is needed. Additional laws are probably unnecessary. It sounds like they broke existing laws, so more laws making such things more illegal are probably not going to fix anything.

Brennan probably didn't know exactly what was going on. He however probably should have looked into earlier reports of problems and discovered that people who were his responsibility were this out of control. He may very well have been fed bad information from those reporting to him so it may take some effort to figure out who was complicit, who was misinformed and determine if misinformed = incompetence in those cases.


RE: We're sorry
By superflex on 8/1/2014 11:42:59 AM , Rating: 3
Brennan didn't know my ass. How gullible are you?

More oversight = more funding which is the last think these c@&%suckers need.

Congress would be wise to slash their funding in half for FY 2015 and listen to them squeal (and create another false flag) to tell us how important that funding is to our safety.

Cue soaring eagle, mom's apple pie and flag waving in the breeze

The sheeple eat that shit up.

'Merica!!!!!


RE: We're sorry
By Spuke on 8/1/2014 11:55:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Brennan didn't know my ass. How gullible are you?
Typically the people at the top know the least. That's standard fare to protect them. Plausible deniability isn't just movie sh!t.


RE: We're sorry
By Piiman on 8/2/2014 11:47:12 AM , Rating: 3
"The idiots at the CIA who did this can kiss their security clearances goodbye and therefore their jobs?"

LOL they will probably get promotions.


RE: We're sorry
By herrdoktor330 on 7/31/2014 9:53:46 PM , Rating: 3
RE: We're sorry
By Kefner on 7/31/2014 10:21:18 PM , Rating: 2
HAHA Good one!


WOW!
By Spuke on 7/31/2014 6:23:20 PM , Rating: 3
Just friggin wow. I hate to have to admit this but our intelligence agencies need to be castrated. This is going to hurt but they've proven that they can't be trusted by even the people they swear to protect.




RE: WOW!
By inperfectdarkness on 8/1/2014 5:26:08 AM , Rating: 2
The thing which amuses me about this is that the Senate, House and President are all places which I DON'T REALLY MIND THE CIA/NSA looking.

It's the average people like you and I being spied on that bothers me. People who are not holding publicly elected offices. People who are just ordinary citizens whose constitutional rights to privacy have been stripped away on the panic-stricken altar of the patriot-act.

The apology is, at best, misplaced. I, for one, wouldn't mind having the fat-cat, self-absorbed, pro-noid thugs in Washington kept under a microscope--especially one with more civilian oversight.


RE: WOW!
By hughlle on 8/1/2014 7:16:16 AM , Rating: 2
What?

This story isn't a case of government agencies hacking the senate etc to keep an eye on them, this is a case of CIA hacking the senate because the senate was keeping an eye on CIA.

Think of it more like a policeman destroying evidence so that a judge can't find him guilty of acting illegally.


RE: WOW!
By flatrock on 8/1/2014 8:29:47 AM , Rating: 2
This is the Senate Committee that provides oversight to the CIA and to which they are supposed to be accountable. They are our elected representatives that are supposed to be able to look at the classified info that the rest of us aren't and make an informed decision as to if the CIA is acting appropriately. The reality might have more to due with political power plays, but if these people were so far out of control that they we spying on the oversight committee, they don't think they are accountable to much of anyone.

As for investigating what the government is doing, it is the FBI that should look into possible criminal activity by members of our government, not the CIA.


RE: WOW!
By rdhood on 8/4/2014 3:12:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The apology is, at best, misplaced. I, for one, wouldn't mind having the fat-cat, self-absorbed, pro-noid thugs in Washington kept under a microscope--especially one with more civilian oversight.


The problem is, that microscope is wielded on behalf of the party in the Presidency. Think "IRS" here. When the CIA spies, it does so on behalf and at the pleasure of the President. We DON'T want partisan ship to be part and parcel of the day-to-day federal employees. Otherwise:

1) We have Lois Lerner, committing felonies on behalf of the Democrats against Republicans.
2) We have the EPA, advancing the global warming liberal agenda as fast as they can.
3) We have HHS, advancing the healthcare liberal agenda as fast as they can.

I have no doubt the CIA just spent the last 6 years spying on behalf of Democrats, just as they spent the previous 8 years spying on behalf of the Republicans.


RE: WOW!
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/14, Rating: -1
RE: WOW!
By ClownPuncher on 8/1/2014 10:35:22 AM , Rating: 2
You either didn't RTFA, or your politics are inconsistent from day to day.

The CIA didn't spy on "her", they covered up their misdeeds by deleting documents from oversight committee computers.


RE: WOW!
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2014 1:46:52 PM , Rating: 1
Do you people need it spelled out?

This was nothing but a conspiracy to protect the President. Those computers weren't hacked into, that should be IMPOSSIBLE. They were granted access to by a Democrat on the committee. That's the only rational explanation.

This accomplishes two things. It guarantees that the American people never know the truth, and it gives everyone involved a scapegoat and a way out that doesn't further embarrass Obama.

Oh well I guess someone DID get punished. He had to apologize. Man that's harsh. No need to involve the FBI and DoJ I guess.

If you guys believe this story, I have some "crashed" hard drives without backups at the IRS to sell you....


RE: WOW!
By ClownPuncher on 8/1/2014 3:14:57 PM , Rating: 2
Do you have a source?


RE: WOW!
By Spuke on 8/1/2014 11:12:25 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Oddly enough, I really don't have a problem with this.
I most certainly do. The CIA is a government agency. They are beholden to Congress and the President. If they're spying on Congress, especially if that spying is due to them being investigated by their oversight committee (LOL), then they are a rogue organization. The FBI should be all over that place right now (they might be) but more than likely this will be handled politically (unfortunately).


RE: WOW!
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2014 1:35:48 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you see what's really happening here? I don't believe this story, not for one minute. Someone is pulling the strings here, and it sure isn't the CIA.

You're right, the FBI should be all over this. So should the Department of Justice. I wonder why they aren't?

Oh that's right, they answer to the President!


RE: WOW!
By Spuke on 8/1/2014 3:30:00 PM , Rating: 2
There's definitely some politics being played here otherwise there would be some serious butt probing happening. I'm starting to get skeptical Rec.


RE: WOW!
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2014 3:46:08 PM , Rating: 2
This is fishier than a prom queens cooch on the morning after.


RE: WOW!
By superflex on 8/1/2014 11:51:18 AM , Rating: 2
"You know Senator X/Congressman Y/Judge Z, we have copies of those videos of your daughter/son/wife/lover.

It would be a shame if the public found out about that.

Please continue to fund/repeal/overturn issue A, or we will be forced to release the hounds".

That's the America you want?


RE: WOW!
By Etsp on 8/1/2014 1:23:34 PM , Rating: 1
If anyone is to spy on government officials, I do NOT want it to be any department with ANY vested interests OTHER than exposing corruption and abuse of power.

The CIA have a LOT of power that they do NOT want to give up. So, rather than exposing the corrupt politicians, they are far more likely to force them to vote the way the CIA wants them to.

It might not be a terrible idea to have a department dedicated to spying on high-level officials to expose and reduce corruption. But if they have ANY other purpose, that ramps up the likelihood of them using that information for their own advantage, rather than the good of the American People.

That said, I really REALLY hope Senator Feinstein gets booted next time she's up for re-election. Ideally she would need to vacate her senate seat prior to that, but that doesn't seem likely.


USA land of the Free?
By Makaveli on 7/31/2014 6:22:29 PM , Rating: 2
To my American brothers to the south of me what the hell is going on in your country?




RE: USA land of the Free?
By Spuke on 7/31/2014 6:28:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
To my American brothers to the south of me what the hell is going on in your country?
Wish I could tell you. My opinion is that these things are only coming to light because of the outing of the NSA. Seems to me that certain parts of the gov are being thrown under the bus. I'm wondering if there is some sort of investigation going on behind closed doors. I think there will be more of this stuff coming.


RE: USA land of the Free?
By integr8d on 7/31/2014 7:18:51 PM , Rating: 4
List of everyone involved:

Fired...

Imprisoned...

Stripped of citizenship...

The government no longer fears is citizenry. Those roles are now reversed. And events, like those in this article, are the result.


RE: USA land of the Free?
By flatrock on 8/1/2014 8:24:05 AM , Rating: 2
Stripping them of citizenship would be denying our responsibility to hold them accountable. We don't get to just wash our hands of people that do something wrong and make them someone else's problem.

Fired and imprisoned however seem appropriate in this case.


RE: USA land of the Free?
By Spuke on 8/1/2014 11:13:58 AM , Rating: 2
Brought out nude THEN fired and imprisoned.


RE: USA land of the Free?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2014 1:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
Aren't you the guys in an uproar because Harper wasn't full-blown Communist enough for your tastes?


RE: USA land of the Free?
By ATC on 8/1/2014 2:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, the real uproar will happen if this ultra conservative, right wing, anti-science, talking-snake believing, ideologically driven, anti-labour, cronyism loving government gets re-elected in 2015.


out of controll
By mchentz on 7/31/2014 6:38:29 PM , Rating: 2
the "Patriot Act" was the worst piece of legislation ever passed by congress, until congress passed the "American Health Care Act" that is beyond bad.

Wow congress has been awful for the last 15 years. No wonder the CIA and FBI are such a mess.




RE: out of controll
By Tuor on 7/31/2014 7:17:23 PM , Rating: 2
Our system of checks and balances isn't checking and balancing.


RE: out of controll
By Spuke on 8/1/2014 11:14:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Our system of checks and balances isn't checking and balancing.
IMO it is otherwise we wouldn't know anything.


Works so well
By Zaranthos on 8/1/2014 8:40:13 AM , Rating: 2
We need even bigger government. Throw some more money at the problem. Create new oversight agencies. Yes sir, more government is the answer. </sarcasm>

We've created a monster and now we can no longer control it. When will people wise up and stop feeding it?




RE: Works so well
By milktea on 8/1/2014 4:50:43 PM , Rating: 2
It takes a monster to stop another monster. And guess who that other monster might be?


RE: Works so well
By roykahn on 8/2/2014 4:33:53 AM , Rating: 2
The issue has very little to do with money. It's about committing crimes to cover up crimes and then apologizing to possibly escape without punishment. Let's see how far the immunity for the elite can be tested here.


None....
By croc on 7/31/2014 10:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
"We're so sorry, Uncle Albert,
We're so sorry if we caused you any pain."

Thank you, Sir Paul. Oh - And Linda, too...




The current state of things
By morbius2006 on 8/3/2014 2:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
Not so fun when it happens to you, is it Ms Feinstien??

Perhaps you should direct your incredulous outrage over this incident toward the NSA mass surveillance that is occurring daily against ALL U.S. Citizens.

if its OK for one, its OK for ALL, right??, there are no exceptions, right??.

Its all for our country's safety correct?, at present you have no limits or who can be watched, or recorded, or violated,correct?.

Except for Congress, and of course all of the lobbyists that work in our best interest with congress. we have no need to watch those folks do we Diane?

However, as we all know, in reality, its not OK AT All, due process isn't something that should have ever been suspended, or compromised, if you have to justify doing it, its more than likely something you shouldn't be doing in the first place.

Rule of thumb, if you need a lawyer to justify your planned actions, You can safely assume what you wanted to do isn't in the best interest of the people you are planning to to it to.

We have this little piece of paper, actually a couple of them.

The Bill of rights, and the Declaration of Independence.

You might want to read them ...

They are quite enlightening.

Stop trying to interpret them to make them fit your agenda and simply follow the rules that were laid out 200+ years ago, they worked then and they can still work now.

Provided of course that you still believe in things like freedom, justice, you know, little things that you trample daily with your fearful and shameful actions.

M.




By vortmax2 on 8/5/2014 11:08:27 AM , Rating: 2
Leon Panetta was an Obama nomination...go figure.




Back in the Old Days
By random2 on 8/5/2014 9:33:06 PM , Rating: 2
My my how the government has fallen. Lost power to the corporations and lobby industries, to the banks and financial sector, to the military and now to their own henchmen.

If the American people thought they had influence in Washington, this just goes to help prove how little they have.




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