quote: Many, many more will benefit from the equalizing of standard of living than will lose out. So you could argue that it is a very good thing for humanity as a whole.
quote: I agree. I'm going to go out on a limb here as well.
quote: Also, before you say I am prejudiced, please refer to my post where I mention I like them as people and enjoy them on a social level - I just will not do business with them
quote: I don't really care whether they do or not. Since when do I have to be politically correct and sensitive to the masses when it comes to a personal business decision? Maybe in your PC world - not mine.
quote: Thirteen years of Indians wasting my time and not bothering to spend one cent on the advice I give them is enough for me.
quote: This is my right as a private citizen. That is the beauty of living in a FREE COUNTRY. I, along with many other citizens, would like to keep it that way.
quote: Try not to let the bitterness consume your life. :o)
quote: . Do yourself and favor and re-calibrate your moral compass.
quote: Having bias against people based on who they are
quote: It is not a stereotype nor a prejudice - it is a business decision. If you spent 13 years trying to do business with Indians have have 100% of the prospective relationships fail or yield 0 fruit, would you continue trying to do business with them or would you write it off?
quote: never do business with someone from India - be it through birth or descent via genetics
quote: Like it or not, the halo effect which America has enjoyed for the last 200 years can't last forever - our largess and superior standard of living developed on an unsustainable model of exploiting labor and resources internationally.
quote: No, equalizing standard of living will not benefit humanity. While people might feel guilty that every human on the planet isn't enjoying air conditioning, having every human on the planet have access will create a huge demand for resources that are barely available as it is now.
quote: A global economy will tend to equalize standards of living between countries. Hence 3rd world countries become like 2nd world countries. And 1st world countries become like 2nd world countries.
quote: No it won't
quote: its introduction to the 3rd world nation does not decrease the productivity of the 1st world employee. He can still stamp out 100 motherboards a day.
quote: But increased competition also means lower prices so the cost of goods will drop by the same amount
quote: If however they built it based on $50/day factory workers in the U.S., then it doesn't really matter what happens to the wages in SE Asia. Its empire is still safe and sound.
quote: If China chooses not to protect the environment to the extent that the U.S. does, then it will be able to produce things cheaper even if the worker productivity of the two countries is the same.
quote: I'm also sure the UAW's numbers will represent the highest-paid autoworkers and not accurately reflect state or national averages, right?
quote: In addition to regular hourly pay, the labor cost figures cited by the companies include other expenses associated with having a person on payroll. This includes overtime, shift premiums and the costs of negotiated benefits such as holidays, vacations, health care, pensions and education and training. It also includes statutory costs, which employers are required to pay by law, such as federal contributions for Social Security and Medicare, and state payments to workers’ compensation and unemployment insurance funds. The highest figures sometimes cited also include the benefit costs of retirees who are no longer on the payroll.
quote: American autoworkers are among the most productive workers in the world. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the typical autoworker produces value added worth $206 per worker per hour.1 This is far more than he or she earns in wages, even when benefits, statutory contributions and other costs are included.
quote: Clearly the American employee is overpaid...that is when you want all the money going to CEO's and stock holders.
quote: The biggest problem is america's (and I'm one) thing they deserve a raise every year for doing the same job.
quote: I think Unions are the biggest blame right now. The Auto unions bankrupt the auto companies and now has massive stock in them as a result. Unions were needed at one time but now they are just a drain on companies for no good reason.
quote: He says that most Americans are simply "too expensive" to train. He compares this to Indians, which he says are highly trained, thanks to exhaustive vocational training programs which are used to supplement traditional college education.
quote: I also learned quite a bit on the job.
quote: that doesn't mean a graduate can do a job any better than a non-graduate.
quote: That is what he is talking about, until you have your "on the job" learning done you aren't fully trained and it costs the company money (since they are paying your salary).
quote: We shouldn't make fun of their broken English until we try to speak their language
quote: The national language in the US is English... The first requirement [of working for an American company] SHOULD be the possession of a superior grasp of the English language!
quote: They are using an English based programming language. They obviously had to learn "enough" to use the language effectively, so why shold we expect them not learn to speak English...
quote: You're kidding, right? The English-based programming languages you mentioned have almost no relationship to the spoken language. Maybe a few of the words are similar, but the syntax of programming languages doesn't relate at all. And unless you're using voice recognition software to code, pronunciation doesn't even factor in.
quote: Are you serious ? Look at the reserved word list for ANY high level language being used. Those are ENGLISH words and they certainly do have meaning.
quote: Certainly they are English words, which is why they were chosen. The OP's point was that mastery of these languages should somehow translate to the spoken language skills of the programmer.
quote: They obviously had to learn "enough" to use the language effectively, so why shold we expect them not learn to speak English well enough to provide services for tech support, requirements analysis, or product documentation?
quote: If you don't have functional English, learn it.As an American and native English-speaker myself, I have previously been reluctant to suggest this, lest it be taken as a sort of cultural imperialism. But several native speakers of other languages have urged me to point out that English is the working language of the hacker culture and the Internet, and that you will need to know it to function in the hacker community.Back around 1991 I learned that many hackers who have English as a second language use it in technical discussions even when they share a birth tongue; it was reported to me at the time that English has a richer technical vocabulary than any other language and is therefore simply a better tool for the job. For similar reasons, translations of technical books written in English are often unsatisfactory (when they get done at all).Linus Torvalds, a Finn, comments his code in English (it apparently never occurred to him to do otherwise). His fluency in English has been an important factor in his ability to recruit a worldwide community of developers for Linux. It's an example worth following.Being a native English-speaker does not guarantee that you have language skills good enough to function as a hacker. If your writing is semi-literate, ungrammatical, and riddled with misspellings, many hackers (including myself) will tend to ignore you. While sloppy writing does not invariably mean sloppy thinking, we've generally found the correlation to be strong — and we have no use for sloppy thinkers. If you can't yet write competently, learn to.
quote: Right now, they're not so much better , just cheaper.We're all somewhat guilty of outsourcing. If you've ever bought a foreign car, think about why you chose to purchase a foreign made vehicle instead of a domestic.
quote: "Line the gap"? It's in English but it's not American!
quote: Many have taken offense at Mr. Nayar's rhetoric. Information Week's Robert Preston comments, "Imagine if the CEO of a U.S.-based tech company marched into Mumbai seeking a bigger share of the country's multibillion-dollar market and declared the locals to be unemployable and untrainable. A culture of innovation isn't inconsistent with one that values attention to detail."
quote: He elaborated that he views American tech grads as inferior to those from India, China, and Brazil as the Americans only want to "get rich" and dream up "the next big thing".
quote: He elaborated that he views American tech grads as inferior to those from India, China, and Brazil as the Americans only want to "get rich" and dream up "the next big thing". He says students from countries like India, China, and Brazil are more willing to put the effort into "boring" details of tech process and methodology, such as ITIL, Six Sigma, etc.