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Dell sales people were told to mislead customers about failures, according to released documents. Some of its computers had a 97 percent chance of failing due to bad capacitors, according to one study. Even the company representing Dell in the resulting suit suffered failures, court documents indicate.  (Source: Gadgetel)
"Don’t bring this to customer’s attention proactively" "Emphasize uncertainty" -- Dell memo to sales staff

It's no secret that Dell, the world's second largest computer maker is struggling.  Evidence of that was on display when following a series of layoffs last December, the company's site became riddled with pricing errors -- including the world's most expensive mouse, priced at $3,999.99 USD.

The company's profits plunged 54 percent between 2008 and 2009.  Now, documents unsealed in court this week paint a troubling picture, showing that the manufacturer knowingly sold defective machines between 2003 and 2005 according to the
New York Times.

Among the customers burned by Dell was the University of Texas, which purchased a large number of computers for its math department only to see them fail and die.  Dell blamed the college for overtaxing the machines, but newly released evidence indicates that the failures were actually caused by faulty electrical components that leaked chemicals.

Wal-Mart, Wells Fargo, institutions like the Mayo Clinic, and small businesses were among the other companies to buy failing units.  Greg Barry, who is President of a Philadelphia firm named PointSolve, was one such small business customer who suffered.  His company bought dozens of the machines.  He recalls, "The funny thing was that every one of them went bad at the same time.  It’s unheard-of, but Dell didn’t seem to recognize this as a problem at the time."

Perhaps the greatest irony are unsealed emails from the firm defending Dell in the case, which has now been in court for three years.  In the emails, the firm reports to Dell that many of its 1,000 Dell computers were failing.  Dell employees are found arguing about whether their company should have to fix the machines.  This all occurred while the company was actively defending Dell's failing computers.

David B. Yoffie, a professor of international business administration at Harvard, says that these troubling developments may undo Dell's reputation in the business world as being the archetype of efficiency, outsourcing, and tight inventories.  He comments, "Dell, as a company, was the model everyone focused on 10 years ago.  But when you combine missing a variety of shifts in the industry with management turmoil, it’s hard not to have the shine come off your reputation."

A study on the OptiPlex computers sold by Dell showed that those with bad capacitors were 97 percent likely to fail.  Despite knowing about the bad capacitors, which were found in many of the machines, Dell resisted a recall.  It shipped at least 11.8 million computers from May 2003 to July 2005 that were at risk of failing because of these and other faulty components.

In documents Dell was revealed to have told its salespeople with regard to the failing capacitors "Don’t bring this to customer’s attention proactively" and "Emphasize uncertainty."

Advanced Internet Technologies filed the lawsuit against Dell in 2007.  It says that it had a significant percentage of the 2,000 Dell computers it purchased fail, resulting in millions in lost business.  Its expert witness Ira Winkler, a former computer analyst for the National Security Agency and a technology consultant comments, "They were fixing bad computers with bad computers and were misleading customers at the same time.  They knew millions of computers would be out there causing inevitable damage and were not giving people an opportunity to fix that damage."

The damage to business likely was mirrored by similar woes among public consumers.  It would be unsurprising to see additional consumer class actions arise in the wake of the release of these damaging documents.  Dell already faces customer class actions on other issues and an SEC investigation on stock fraud reaching as high as the company's founder, Michael Dell.



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No surprise, but what the hell is this?
By amanojaku on 6/29/2010 4:36:05 PM , Rating: 5
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these troubling developments may undo Dell's reputation in the business world as being the archetype of efficiency, outsourcing, and tight inventories
In my corporate and educational experience Dell's reputation has been crap. For every five systems you buy one is DOA, two more die in fewer than six months, and the other two will probably die after three years. The response has been to send out freebies and loaners that end up being permanent, because they die, too. For every Dell you buy you usually end up with two or three extra systems. The suits love it because they think they've got all this extra hardware that Dell will eventually fix (ha!) for no money.

I can't tell you about Dell's personal computers. I build mine, and my current system is seven years old. It's going to see its first upgrades next month. :-)




RE: No surprise, but what the hell is this?
By wiz220 on 6/29/2010 4:55:36 PM , Rating: 4
That's interesting. I buy Dell Optiplex's for my company (around 200 mahcines) and I think we've had one or two be DOA with a couple having minor issues like a fan or a DVD drive going bad. This is over the span of about 3 years. Overall I can't really complain about that, it's what I would expect from any manufacturer. Also, when I've had problems Dell has been pretty quick when it comes to replacing parts.

I do remember hearing about these machines with bad capacitors though, I think it was the GX270's.


RE: No surprise, but what the hell is this?
By Silent157 on 6/30/2010 12:09:12 AM , Rating: 3
I agree, the GX270s def have had a lot of issues with bad capacitors. I've had several at my job fail and while reading this article, I could immediately think of one model.


RE: No surprise, but what the hell is this?
By Quadrillity on 6/30/2010 7:58:05 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. Out of ~10,000 machines we have here, about 2,000 or more are gx270 and they are the worst machines I have ever worked with. I hope the new 700 line that we are now deploying end up being rock solid.


By Cypherdude1 on 7/1/2010 4:31:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I can't tell you about Dell's personal computers. I build mine, and my current system is seven years old. It's going to see its first upgrades next month. :-)
My current system was also built by me in October 2001. It's 8½ years old. I've only made 4 hardware changes to it. Other than that, I'm still using it, no problems. I plan to build an entirely new system and probably keep this one another 5 years as a web browser, email, wordprocessor, spreadsheet, etc..., machine. All the XP SP3 software was upgraded in 2006 so it'll be current for at least 5 years.


By Proxes on 6/30/2010 9:07:08 AM , Rating: 2
Yep we've had almost all of the 270's here fail (about 100 workstations).

But not all companies are immune to stuff like this. We have HP 2035 LCD monitors and I've replaced over 75% of the ones we have here. It's like dominoes, they just go down one after another after about 3 years of use.


By Proxes on 6/30/2010 9:12:08 AM , Rating: 2
Don't know how I forgot. We also have a few hundred HP DC5000 SFF workstations and they have problems with capacitors. Not as bad as the 260/270, but I've replaced quite a few motherboards.


RE: No surprise, but what the hell is this?
By Ammohunt on 6/30/2010 2:41:44 PM , Rating: 2
You forget every electronics manufacturer that used capictors in their prodcuts at that time had issues not just Dell. heck i replaced a bad cap on one of my netgear switches that was manufactured around that time becasue of the same bad chinese capacitors.


RE: No surprise, but what the hell is this?
By FredEx on 7/1/2010 2:42:14 AM , Rating: 2
I have two Invidia cards and a 22" Samsung monitor I recently ordered capacitors for. They all run around the year of 2005 that they were purchased. Both video cards are going on their second replacement of capacitors. The first ones that went are different than the ones needing replacement now. The Samsung monitor's power supply has 5 popped capacitors. I at least use higher quality spec capacitors and up the voltage rating on them if I can...some get too big to fit where they need to go, so have to stay at the same voltage.


By Cypherdude1 on 7/1/2010 7:02:49 PM , Rating: 2
I recently read a review of a Viewsonic VA912B 19" LCD monitor. The owner was also complaining of failed capacitors. See "No Complaints" 6/1/2010 under "Other Thoughts." He says the monitor was 4 years old, also placing it in the 2005-6 time frame.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?I...

If Dell was having problems with capacitors, they should have come clean. It's incredible that they were willing to place all the burden of this manufacturing problem on their customers.


RE: No surprise, but what the hell is this?
By Taft12 on 6/29/2010 4:59:57 PM , Rating: 5
I've had the opposite experience with Optiplex desktops and Latitude notebooks numbering in the hundreds. The failure rate is very low.

This does not include the GX270 mentioned in this article. The problems described in this article with that model are very well known in the industry.


By Sulphademus on 6/29/2010 5:58:15 PM , Rating: 2
Dell failures in the early-mid 2000s? Gotta be the GX270s! I swear I replaced 50 PSUs in those damn things.

I'd also like to throw in the first run of the E6400 laptops as well for being crap.

Props on the GX260s and 280s though, they were solid along with most of the D series laptops.


By Pneumothorax on 6/29/2010 5:00:28 PM , Rating: 2
I can see Dell screwing the "little people" (paraphrasing BP exec), but their Corporate Accounts?! I guess this is what happens when companies get run by stupid boards. Dell was the computer company everyone wanted to emulate in the late 90's early 00's and stuff like this explains why they're where there at today.


By Reinman on 6/29/2010 5:40:57 PM , Rating: 2
Bought 55 Dell Optiplex GX320 in 2007. 30 of those shutdown when it overheated. Found out the power supply fan are dead. Still under warranty so they have them replace. Ask the Support if there's any recall regarding power supply but mentioned none. Until now I constantly replacing the power supply fan. They cost $75 each from Dell. I ended up opening the power supply and just replace the fan inside cost $10/fan. We never buy Dell anymore and went to HP instead.


By callmeroy on 6/30/2010 1:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't been exposed to too many dell workstations lately, but in the late 90's (95-99 to be exact) I was working at a 150 person shop where dell was exclusively used at the time (then they changed over to all gateways because they were dirt cheap - yes against our departments judgment)...anyway the dells were pretty stable back then...so i wonder what happened over the last 10-15 years over at Dell...I swear to you at one time I never had problems with dells....today....I'm finding a huge bulk of the companies and clients I do IT work for are heavily favoring HP/Compaq machines for both server and workstations.


By wallijonn on 6/30/2010 6:06:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the other two will probably die after three years.


Probably just as the warranty expires. Dell is not alone in this practice.


New Job for Michael Dell?
By RonM on 6/29/2010 4:50:09 PM , Rating: 2
Carly Fiorina did a bang up job at HP and she's running for the Senate. Perhaps Dell should look into higher office in Texas?
I'm actually being sarcastic. As I am in the process or purchasing a new server, I do not feel reassured. It's bad enough that the Poweredge 310 is supposedly noisy. I'd hate to have motherboard issues too!




RE: New Job for Michael Dell?
By Taft12 on 6/29/2010 4:58:02 PM , Rating: 2
Why do you care how much noise a server makes? Shouldn't you be researching the calibre of cooling?


RE: New Job for Michael Dell?
By Motoman on 6/29/2010 8:45:27 PM , Rating: 2
Seconded. Unless you're one of those people who seem to think that a server should live under your desk, the amount of noise that a server generates is a moot point. It's in the data center. No one cares.


RE: New Job for Michael Dell?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 6/29/2010 8:41:46 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Carly Fiorina did a bang up job at HP

Dear god I hope you are joking. She was one of the worst things to happen to HP in the last decade, it was only after she left that the company was able to start its long road back to the top.


RE: New Job for Michael Dell?
By yourmama on 6/30/2010 11:07:53 AM , Rating: 2
and by the way California is her next victim as she is trying to run for office there. look out!


RE: New Job for Michael Dell?
By MrBlastman on 6/30/2010 9:49:24 AM , Rating: 2
I'm glad you stated you were being sarcastic. :)

quote:
Carly Fiorina


Is a JOKE! She was awful and a pompous fool. She bought Compaq? Compaq? Say what? They made a horizontal acquisition, not a vertical one.

It would have been cheaper to beat them with better quality and better products rather than take on their own woes and problems. But no, Carly had to make a name for herself and an acquisition of that scale was oh so trendy.

So yeah, maybe Michael should run for office too, it's not like we don't have enough a$$hats in Congress as it is. To be fair though, Michael Dell resigned as CEO in 2004 and did not come back to being CEO until 2007. This problem occured on someone else's watch. However, he was Chairman of the Board during that timeframe...


RE: New Job for Michael Dell?
By sweetspot on 6/30/2010 3:28:14 PM , Rating: 3
Most poeple think Carly and HP bought compaq was a mistake, well they only look at it as HP buying computers aka the Compaq name. They did not purchase the company for that reason at all as HP already had branded computer systems. They bought it for compaqs manufacturing and distribtuion plants which where in key business areas HP wanted to expand into over the next many years, to increase thier global servicing of systems world wide.

As we see years later HP's global target zone was reached for the deal, as they became #1 and passed up DELL for it.

If it was such a bad deal HP would have never passed up dell at all, they would have gone broke, as we have seen so many bad business deals do as of late.


Dude...
By quiksilvr on 6/29/2010 4:30:55 PM , Rating: 2
You're going to fail.




RE: Dude...
By bodar on 6/29/2010 4:37:27 PM , Rating: 5
I would've gone with --

quote:
Dude, you're getting a subpoena!


like this is any great suprise...
By Beavermatic on 6/29/2010 4:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
I remember almost all of the optiplex systems manufactured during those years mentioned had the capacitor cap's blow and oozing electrolyte. It was so often, we thought it was a feature after a while... after having the dell techs come out and do the repairs on them.

this is the issue that they are reffering to:

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1...




By metaltoiletry on 6/29/2010 4:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, there are many OptiPlex 270's and 280's still riddled around my school that are just waiting to fail and that is the exact problem.


By nvalhalla on 6/29/2010 5:44:08 PM , Rating: 3
I had a feeling when I read the title that it was the GX270 and 280.... We have over 100 of the 270s and 280s still running at the school I administer. That's probably half as many as we ordered originally, the other half died within a year or so of each other a few years ago. I still have a couple blow every month or so. We buy HPs now.


These bad caps are everywhere
By Crucial on 6/29/2010 5:57:53 PM , Rating: 2
I can't tell you how many electronics I've seen with caps that fail like this. Countless ABIT and EPOX motherboards, video cards, Samsung TV's, Compaq computers. Hell even the mainboard in my fridge died because of this. It's not like it's new news.

I've been able to revive almost every item I've seen by replacing with good caps.




RE: These bad caps are everywhere
By yourmama on 6/30/2010 11:06:08 AM , Rating: 2
but abit fixed their boards even when out of warranty. abit rocks.


RE: These bad caps are everywhere
By claykin on 7/1/2010 9:21:34 AM , Rating: 3
Abit rocks? Abit is gone!


OPTIPLEX 260 failures
By seeker353 on 6/29/2010 5:32:55 PM , Rating: 2
We have hundreds of OPTIPLEX 260 desktops at work. They were purchased in the 2003-2004 time frame. Over a year ago, we started having mass failures. As of today, I think only about 3% of them are still working. My IT department confirmed that it was because of the bad capacitors.

This is what happened (at least for my two). It started randomly, the computer would just shut off for no reason. No bluescreen, no error message, it'd just shut off. After a while, it would happen more and more often. You'd turn the computer on, have about 20-30 min to work, then it'd shut down. After about a week of this, it would just fail to turn on. This was identical for both of my 260s, and they both failed within 2 weeks of each other.

When they started to fail they were 4-5 years old and due for replacement anyway, but they still shouldn't fail like this. I hope someone sues the crap out of them.




RE: OPTIPLEX 260 failures
By zodiacfml on 6/29/2010 11:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
beat me to it since i believe these are low standard capacitors that would not last as long. that is the reason Dell still pushed through with delivering those machines.

i have two MSI motherboards, socket A died in 6 years while the LGA 775, only in 3 years. i guess, i will have to start buying boards with solid capacitors since old processors and RAM goes to waste with a board that just died (didn't bother looking for used boards, will die soon).


RE: OPTIPLEX 260 failures
By JonnyDough on 6/30/2010 5:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
I've been aware of capacitors being among major reasons that motherboards die for years. This is why I will only purchase solid state capacitor boards. Just looking at a motherboard can give you an idea of whether or not its a quality board or not.

There are certain brands of motherboards/video cards that I refuse to buy. I won't mention any specific motherboard/graphics card makers. Not that these companies don't make SOME quality motherboards or cards...but they are more likely to fail, which is why their warranties are usually crap. They want your PC to fail so they can sell you a new one. This is practically Dell's philosophy on sales, along with many large corporations such as Walmart. Why do you think all we can buy are cheap plastic vacuums there?

They are ALL aware of their issues, but to try to be more competitive on cost they cut corners and hope that you're taken as a sucker. Granted, the reason they feel ok doing this too is that they hope that you will purchase a new PC within 3 years, however that just isn't realistic given the compute power of modern PCs.

The real victim here is the environment that has to take all of our E-waste. We could be reselling those old motherboards at a fraction of the price in developing nations that can't afford new PCs and we should be. We should also make sure to offer cheap recycling programs for those nations when the PCs are finally of no value.


Stupid article!
By claykin on 6/30/10, Rating: 0
RE: Stupid article!
By RainDaemon on 6/30/2010 2:57:05 AM , Rating: 2
While what you say is true, it was still irresponsible for Dell to allow machines like this with known bad capacitors to be used by their customers. The very least they could have done was to inform their customers of the potential issue.

The issue doesn't end with the failure of the machine and the resultant loss of productivity, but the possibility of data corruption caused by these faulty motherboards.

i Myself had problems with the Intel 865 series boards. (To my great surprise at that point, faulty Nichicon capacitors!) After some research, i discovered the problem was documented on Intel's website with details on getting a swap-out.


RE: Stupid article!
By piroroadkill on 6/30/2010 3:44:14 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you, and can indeed confirm the manufacturer of the capacitors in these systems is known good, and that Apple was affected at the same time by the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.

Dell just sells huge volumes. Dell DID NOT cheap out, as most people will think.

But yes, it is underhand to allow a known problem go unchecked, at the customer's time and expense.

I still like Dell, and would still recommend them, because I definitely don't see any other large manufacturer as any better.


packard bell all over again
By hclarkjr on 6/30/2010 9:51:58 AM , Rating: 2
this sounds l a lot like what packard bell did and got caught. i was part of that law suite way back then.




RE: packard bell all over again
By yourmama on 6/30/2010 11:03:42 AM , Rating: 2
I seem to recall that packard bell's crime was selling refubished parts as new. That is different than knowingly selling defective parts and also not honoring the warranty that came with those parts. And it is not the same a telling customers that the computer failed because they didn't use it correctly...
See the New York Times article that this article refers to for a better description of ths same issue plus the $100 millon Dell set aside this month to potentially settle the five year Securities Exchange Commission investigation into financial irregularities at Dell.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/technology/29del...


Learning experience
By SandmanWN on 6/29/2010 4:28:41 PM , Rating: 3
I learned to hone my soldering skills by fixing busted Dell caps. Made a few dollars here and there as well. :)




You know....
By Obujuwami on 6/29/2010 4:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
If some Wall Street fat cat did this to his customers, they would call it a ponzi scheme and send him to prison. I vote they do the same for Michael Dell! He and his company knowingly sold a defective product and denied that it was having problems. He offered to fix it with another broken product, and yet again denied any responsibility.

I hope these guys get taken to the cleaners by the enterprise, medium, and small businesses they bilked out of thousands of dollars.




What about consumer lines?
By neothe0ne on 6/29/2010 5:09:13 PM , Rating: 2
I came in expecting to read about the Studio XPS 13 and 16.




Our School District
By Nodestiny on 6/29/2010 5:27:12 PM , Rating: 2
We have over 1000 computers to support for our district. There were probably 300 GX270s. Also, my Mom's restaurant had about 4 of the slim versions... fail, fail, fail. The worst computer model ever made! Amber light on the start button and its over. Motherboard caps were full of fail, and often, a powersupply was done for as well. Luckily, we had the extended warranty on this product.

As for the rest of dell's products, we have owned GX150s, 240s, 260s, 280s, 620s, 740s, and 760s, all with little to no problems. Laptop wise, our latest shipment of I think 60 laptops or so had nearly 50% failure rate within a few hours (screens kept dying for some reason). At least the warranty was well done for replacing failed parts.




By sapiens74 on 6/29/2010 6:46:35 PM , Rating: 2
What was the topic again?

Oh yeah, Dell > Apple!




Karl talks it up
By kjboughton on 6/29/2010 7:06:22 PM , Rating: 2
A little cross-pollination is in order:

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2462-F...




Up yours, Dell
By Motoman on 6/29/2010 7:54:04 PM , Rating: 2
My anecdata about Dell is thus:

Several years ago, I changed jobs and took up a director position at a small software company where I oversaw a group of about 15 people, all of whom had Dell laptops.

Over the course of about 1.5 years, we had a greater than 100% failure rate on those machines.

"Uh, Moto?" you say..."How can you have greater than a 100% rate of failure?" Well, that's including multiple failures of the same machine.

Anything from keyboards to motherboards. They were such epic fail. Such crap of such magnitude I can't even put into words.

Later on we got Thinkpads. Thinkpads were always good.




RE: Up yours, Dell
By Smilin on 6/30/10, Rating: 0
0RLY?
By boogerlad on 6/30/2010 2:55:48 AM , Rating: 2
All prebuilt computers are "faulty."




Notification may have been problem
By theozman on 6/30/2010 8:19:48 AM , Rating: 2
I administered (up until February) a crop of 260's and 270's. Several years back (2006 I think it was) I was notified through our hardware support desk that a recall had been issued for the 270 motherboards. We pulled the old boards (which had not yet failed) and were provided with new boards, which ran fine up until their replacement with new GX760s this spring.

There may not have been a universal recall done on the affected boards, but I suspect that Dell did try and take care of their larger customers (such as DoD). The real problem was that they didn't try and notify the owners of ALL failure-prone systems.




By yourmama on 6/30/2010 10:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
"It's no secret that Dell, the world's second largest computer maker is struggling."

Correction: Dell is the world's third largest computer maker. HP is number one and Acer is number 2.




By kutabaregaki on 6/30/2010 12:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
Well I know about blown caps left and right. We started with the GX270's and well they blew boards and we replaced them. A good 3 to 5 day wait for boards. We get the GX620's and they were great at first. A Couple DOA's but that is to be expected when you order in large batches. We have replaced at least 90 to 95% of our 1500 GX620's motherboards from blown caps. With a major power outage we could expect at least 20 to 30 machines to be dead when the power comes back on.
We are now going into the GX740's and hope the fan under the hard drive will help keep the caps from blowing. We have had a few problems with the series but time will tell how much trouble they will become.




By Wolfpup on 6/30/2010 12:36:58 PM , Rating: 2
...the company that built either the motherboards or the capacitors? I mean shouldn't Dell be able to just pass the cost along to whoever built them, since it's their fault?

Granted it would be a hassle even for a big company, but shouldn't Dell have been able to replace every defective machine, and bill the company that caused the issues?




not just Dell
By TechIsGr8 on 6/30/2010 12:50:23 PM , Rating: 2
Dell, like many quasi-American corporations, has co-opted much of their business to China and India. Inefficiency and inflexibility are the results, not to mention wanton data processing errors, mainly of the burocracy created by the IT end of the business being farmed out across the world. But God bless the CEOs and CIOs, they're getting huge bonuses for reducing expenses by outsourcing IT. And if the CEO and CIO are happy with their compensation packages and bonuses, then quality and customers be d*mned, nothing else matters.




TIME TO BUY
By seraphim1982 on 6/30/2010 2:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
A LENOVO PC




Dell Failures
By btc909 on 6/30/2010 5:16:25 PM , Rating: 2
I've seen my fair share of some GX260's but more so GX270 with the crowning / browning capaciators. Ocasionally a dead power supply as well. XPS M1210 also have overheating issues, the problem is with those thermal pads which of course requires a partial teardown & removal of the heatsink & removal of the thermal pads (3) & applying thermal paste.




the HP DV line up is next.
By Methal on 7/1/2010 1:11:16 AM , Rating: 2
Second only to dell in crap computers is the HP dv series laptops. If you've got one that is older than 18 months you got EXTREMELY lucky.

I see 5-15 every week come to my store dead. They just shut off and never come back on.

You watch. Soon "leaked" emails will come out stating that HP knew they were defective.




By shuaige on 7/1/2010 2:39:31 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry to cut in the discussion, but what about the defective xps laptops that were sold to consumers. If you've had a xps, you know what I am talking about. The graphics card issue. They sold these notebooks knowing that it will come back for repairs, outside of the 1 year warranty period, which they offered another 12 months extension related to that specific issue, but still end up fixing broken computers with defective/inferior parts. A "band-aid" fix, is what most want to call it, and I couldn't agree more.




Packard Dell
By stimudent on 7/1/2010 8:02:20 AM , Rating: 2
I never did like Packard Dell computers very much.




Not only Dell...
By luseferous on 7/1/2010 9:18:15 AM , Rating: 2
I remember those bulging/splitting capacitors and it was not just Dell, many OEM motherboards had them. I remember MSI seemed to be the worst offender at the time. These products never got recalled or publicly acknowledged by anyone as far as I am aware. Though most Pc builders effected (PackardBell, Emachines,etc) did deal with the issue under warranty.




By Ytsejamer1 on 7/2/2010 10:42:34 AM , Rating: 2
Bad caps were an epidemic in that point of time. My previous job at a Naval facility bought generic whiteboxes from a bunch of different vendors. After roughly one year, they all started to fail due to blown capacitors. It got to the point where my team; who were responsible for the hardware maintenance for all computers and printers, were soldering new capacitors on the board...day in and day out.

At our peak, we were replacing 50-60 motherboards per week. We'd pull the old one, and swap it with a repaired unit. They ran fine after that. The afternoons would be spent over soldering irons fixing that morning's pulled boards.

So, the cap problem is not specific to just Dell... whether they were lying about it, misleading customers about the probems, and/or not honoring to fix it is a separate ball of wax.




Interesting...
By seamonkey79 on 6/29/10, Rating: 0
Global Warming post
By JimboK29 on 6/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: Global Warming post
By Smilin on 6/30/2010 1:25:54 PM , Rating: 2
Oh jeebus. Fvck off man.

You're not just thread crapping you're article crapping. I'm going to downrate your every reply the next time one of those comes up.


A little off
By Smilin on 6/29/10, Rating: -1
RE: A little off
By hr824 on 6/29/2010 6:07:52 PM , Rating: 2
High road, are you kidding? you need to review your recent history. Just like Dell MS did in fact know they were selling defective equipment and lied about it for years.

Selling stuff you know is garbage is flat out fraud. People in both companies knew their products were faulty and sold then anyway, why is no one in jail?


RE: A little off
By Smilin on 6/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: A little off
By HrilL on 6/29/2010 6:42:58 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds a lot like Apple now days. Deny deny deny. Because if they don't their whole brand perception is shot. Why do people pay for over priced machines that overheat? I'm not sure but Apple's claim of 105C being in operating spec. They're down right crazy.


RE: A little off
By Smilin on 6/30/2010 12:21:09 AM , Rating: 2
105 isn't unusual for high end CPUs. That heat reaching the user's lap isn't really acceptable though.

This iPhone antenna issue isn't shaping up to be their finest hour.


RE: A little off
By kyleb2112 on 6/30/2010 1:29:03 AM , Rating: 2
Funny how a couple million pissed off gamers screaming for blood can keep a company honest.


RE: A little off
By Smilin on 6/30/2010 9:49:26 AM , Rating: 2
No some decisionmaker at the company is what kept them honest. They could have done exactly what dell did.


RE: A little off
By adiposity on 6/30/2010 12:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure I'd call them "honest" since they kept selling the faulty Xboxes for years without fixing the problem. The warranty extension was a good step, but was mostly done to give people confidence in buying more xboxes. They couldn't afford to stop selling them, so they decided to take the hit in cash. Never mind the huge inconvenience to the gamer every time their Xbox failed and had to be shipped off to Microsoft for replacement.

It also took them quite a while to admit there was a real problem, but even then, they didn't exactly admit it. They just announced a plan to reassure gamers that, in the event of failure, they will replace it. Instead they should have fixed the problem and stopped selling known faulty units.

But there's no question their response was better than Dell's.


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