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German testing to begin early in 2014

Bombardier has announced that it will be testing its electric bus technology next winter on buses that are operating in Montréal. The company also plans testing in early 2014 on a bus route in the city of Mannheim, Germany. Bombardier will be testing its Primove electric bus technology that allows the buses to be charged using an underground induction station when they stop to let passengers on and off.

That means the buses can trickle charge their battery packs each time they sit waiting for passengers to get on or off at stops along the route. Bombardier plans to test the technology first in the harsh Canadian winter conditions on a special track at Ile-Ste-Helene. This test will be conducted via a partnership with Hydro-Québec and an unnamed bus manufacturer.

In Q2 2014, bus riders in Mannheim, Germany will get to see the technology firsthand, as buses using the technology will be put into operation for a 12-month trial. The German bus trial will be operated by regional carrier called Rhein-Neckar-Verkehr GmbH (RNV) and will be conducted along the intercity bus routes.

Bombardier spokesperson Marc Laforge says that the electric bus technology would be appealing to governments looking for electric buses that don't need overhead wires. The same technology used in the buses could also be used in light railway systems and even for cars.
A similar system for electric trams surfaced in Korea back in 2010.

Sources: CBA, Bombardier [PDF]

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Trial = C, Bus = A-
By drycrust3 on 2/19/2013 10:44:23 AM , Rating: 2
Bombardier plans to test the technology first in the harsh Canadian winter conditions on a special track at Ile-Ste-Helene.

I would have thought it would have been better to run the first trial in a climate where the need to keep people warm isn't so essential, such as the spring or autumn. This would place less demand on the battery, so if there were any teething problems with the charging at one place, e.g. the bus might not be able to get exactly over the charging pad at one of the bus stations, the battery would have more chance of getting to the next charging point without problems.
I like the superlow floor and front and rear double doors, and I do hope there is wheel chair access capability provided, but I do wonder whether having the headlight flush on the corner is a good idea, the front ... right ... (got to remember they drive on the other side of the road in Canada) headlight is vulnerable to getting bumped in tight maneuvering, e.g. at the bus depot.
One point to note, this bus has what appears to be a cooling inlet at the rear of the bus, similar to the radiator on a diesel or petrol engine.
If this had an internal combustion engine then this would be on the wrong side of the bus (assuming the bus is meant to run on the right hand side of the road), it should be on the side away from the pavement and gutters. Tree leaves gather in the gutter, especially during the autumn, and the exhaust from the bus can, when accelerating from a standing start, blow them into the air and into the grill, blocking it.
I think the reason for the placement is probably accidental i.e. an oversight by the artist.
I'm not sure about the wisdom of having windows that passengers can open combined with an air conditioning system, especially on a battery powered bus.
Overall, I think this is a nice looking bus, good looking driver's seat, nice low, not too high, dashboard. I think I could happily drive this.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By kattanna on 2/19/2013 11:16:47 AM , Rating: 4
I dont know.. but I think running the trial during the most demanding of times will yield far more usefull info.

im sure they will be specially training the drivers so that when a bus reaches a certain low point, it gets pulled out of rotation to be fully charged.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By Trisped on 2/19/2013 1:22:25 PM , Rating: 3
They probably want to test everything at once rather then have 100 progressive tests.
It would also be good PR (Proven to survive harsh Canadian winters).

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By inperfectdarkness on 2/20/2013 12:18:30 AM , Rating: 3
You must TOTALLY be from North-America. Over in Europe, 90% of buses look like this, not the 90-year-old bluebird looking crap.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By Omega215D on 2/20/2013 4:29:08 AM , Rating: 2
You're quite ignorant yourself.

NYC has their new fleet of buses that are similar in design to this one and we haven't ran any old fishbowl types since the mid 90s. The old "twinkie" design buses have been retrofitted with newer engines and are still quite reliable in the harshest of winters.

Same goes for Long Island transit and San Diego, CA.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By drycrust3 on 2/21/2013 12:36:28 AM , Rating: 2
You must TOTALLY be from North-America.

If you took the time to read my post, then you would have gathered that I spell words the way the English do, not the way Americans do, and I used the word "autumn" (admittedly in lower case) and not "fall", again, a sign that I'm not from North America.
In fact, I make a point of intentionally using the English way of spelling and their expressions so a North American reader can see that I am not from there, and that I am not trying to pass myself off as a person from that part of the world.
I often make the point of using expressions like "Not being an American ... " in other posts to make sure people are aware that I don't come from America because there are many things about America that I have absolutely no idea about. For example, what does the air smell like in New York, what is it like to give change when you have a coin called a quarter, do you have to carry a dog licence (note the spelling? "licence" not "license") when walking your dog, etc.
If you must know, I am from New Zealand, a tiny little country at the bottom of the world. It was New Zealanders' who first flew a powered air craft, split the atom, were in charge of the British squadrons that won the Battle of Britain, etc, etc, etc.
By profession I am a bus driver, and as such I believe that gives me at least as much right as anyone else on this forum to comment on matters of road safety and public transport.
I don't know why you think Americans don't use buses shaped like this, but if you read my comments then you will see that I believed this bus was well presented with many good points. I only had a short time to do an assessment on the bus, but what I saw mostly was what I was happy with. About the only major points I didn't agree with were the position of the radiator and the style of the headlights. It wouldn't surprise me if you have no idea why I believed they are wrong, unless you'd read my post that is.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By semiconshawn on 2/21/2013 5:41:42 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody has time to read your posts. Look at them.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By drycrust3 on 2/22/2013 12:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
Noted. Thanks for the feedback.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By euler007 on 2/20/2013 10:10:15 AM , Rating: 2
Well, look at it this way: if it works in Montreal, it works in any american city in cold weather condition.

As soon these city figure out how to clear out streets quickly after a snow storm. Just kidding.

RE: Trial = C, Bus = A-
By JediJeb on 2/20/2013 3:19:08 PM , Rating: 2
Bombardier plans to test the technology first in the harsh Canadian winter conditions on a special track at Ile-Ste-Helene.

If it is being conducted on a special track, I would think that means it will not be a test involving regular passengers, so the worry about keeping them warm would not be such a problem but would allow for testing the system at a full power draw and bad (cold) charging conditions.

By Motoman on 2/19/2013 10:23:51 AM , Rating: 1
Bombardier to Trial Wirelessly Charging of Electric Buses Next Winter

Bad grammar makes baby Jesus cry.

RE: >.<
By Motoman on 2/19/2013 11:21:47 AM , Rating: 1
Hey, at least this time a miracle occurred and the title was fixed.

By Mint on 2/20/2013 10:37:14 AM , Rating: 1
Buses refuel centrally, so there's no infrastructure problem as there is with CNG passenger cars. I suspect it's a lot cheaper for most bus routes.

Wireless charging needs a lot of charging pads being installed on the route, though it's entirely possible that the economics work out on a busy route. It would be sort of neat to have a bus that automatically refueled without needing to stop off at the bus yard, simply changing drivers at certain points.

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