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  (Source: boeing.com)
It will have a range of 9,500 nautical miles

Boeing has started selling a new aircraft family – codenamed 777X – which will feature the world’s longest-range jet for passengers.
 
The new family will be upgraded versions of Boeing’s popular 777 wide-body jet. Its most popular (and profitable) plane is the 777-300ER, which is a 365-seat jet that launched in 2004.
 
As for the new 777X family, Boeing has been showing off two members to airlines – the 400-seat 777-9X, and the long-distance 777-8X.
 
While the 777-9X is meant to be the competitor to the Airbus A350-1000, the 777-8X would be the king of distance with a range of 9,500 nautical miles.
 
The 777-8X would be the successor to Boeing’s current winner of distance, the 777-200LR.
 
While long-distance jets are considered a niche (mainly due to the fact that the first few hours of long flights are spent burning fuel to carry even more fuel needed for the remainder of the flight), Boeing plans to offer the plane as an option for long trips from places like the Middle East to South America.
 
Sales of long-distance jets haven’t been too impressive. For instance, Boeing has only sold 59 777-200LRs since its debut in 2007. However, it has sold 687 short-range 777-300ER planes.
 
Because of this, Boeing expects to sell more 777-9X jets than 777-8Xs, but the two could go hand-in-hand as the 777-9X’s extra powerful engines and larger wings could give airlines more efficient use of the 777-8X.
 
The main model of the 777-9X is expected to be in service toward the end of the decade. There’s no word on when the 777-8X will be available.

Source: Yahoo News



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What kind of plane is it?
By Mitch101 on 5/5/2013 9:44:08 PM , Rating: 3
Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with blue stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol!

I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.




RE: What kind of plane is it?
By Bad-Karma on 5/5/2013 11:49:05 PM , Rating: 2
Now that one was a great line.... Thank you sir, haven't seen that one in years, now I got to go watch it.

Why you got voted down must be a generational thing.


RE: What kind of plane is it?
By Schadenfroh on 5/6/13, Rating: 0
RE: What kind of plane is it?
By StevoLincolnite on 5/6/2013 1:25:07 AM , Rating: 1
Why the hate against those who are Jewish? Isn't one of the freedoms in the United States the "freedom of religion?".


RE: What kind of plane is it?
By integr8d on 5/6/2013 3:04:03 AM , Rating: 2
Yes. Also is the freedom to watch classic movies from which one might glean the reference.


RE: What kind of plane is it?
By Solandri on 5/6/2013 4:45:12 AM , Rating: 4
Surely, you can't be serious? Here, watch these. Then when you're done, go rent the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEB200E4802A...

Big pretty white plane is from this clip:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5neabZ5pVQ#t=0m57s

Jews for Jesus is from this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNkpIDBtC2c#t=0m51s


RE: What kind of plane is it?
By Mitch101 on 5/6/2013 3:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
Feeling a huge generation gap here.

I love how the Jet plane has propeller sound effects. There are a ton of underlying jokes within the movie too like leave it to beavers mom talking jive. The poo hitting the fan is that kind of shock visual value way ahead of There's something about Mary delivered.

Like Scary Movie is a mockery of all the horror movies produced in the last couple years Airplane was a mockery of all the disaster plan movies back then.

Oh and stop calling me Shirley!


By Skywalker123 on 5/6/2013 12:37:30 AM , Rating: 2
Now if u can get off the crack , you might be ok


RE: What kind of plane is it?
By Vardant on 5/6/2013 3:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
The Airbus A350 XWB - 900R has a range of 10,300 mmi.


RE: What kind of plane is it?
By e36Jeff on 5/6/2013 4:47:03 PM , Rating: 3
The A350 900R is also just a design proposal thus far, and has not been scheduled for production yet nor is Airbus currently offering it for sale. The 777-8X is being offered for sale at this time. The A350 900R will take the long-range title if/when it moves beyond the design proposal stage.


RE: What kind of plane is it?
By Apone on 5/9/2013 1:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
(/Holding a power plug that powers the runway lights)

"Bwah ha ha!...Just kidding"

(/plugs it back in).


why different?
By Souka on 5/6/2013 2:23:16 AM , Rating: 2
Is the boost in range archived by putting bigger fuel tanks?

How is the range computed? Empty? full passenger/cargo load? If the latter, take out 1/2 the seats and the range will go up.

:)

Just curios, that's all




RE: why different?
By Solandri on 5/6/2013 5:03:24 AM , Rating: 4
Typically they shorten the plane (and reduce passenger capacity) to lower the weight. Cargo capacity can also be reduced for an additional center fuel tank. Sometimes they'll enlarge the bulge in the fuselage underneath the wing to store additional fuel. They can also add pods underneath the wings for storing additional fuel, though the name escapes me at the moment.

The idea is to hit a passenger capacity which matches the traffic on a given range. e.g. if about 250 people a day want to fly from New York to Hong Kong, and the only plane you have with that range can carry just 200, then you're stuck either flying two planes or having to give up 50 passengers' worth of revenue. A bigger plane which can seat 300 can be more economical for the route despite flying with 50 empty seats.


RE: why different?
By Jeffk464 on 5/6/2013 9:20:29 AM , Rating: 2
What if next year the average is 270 passengers?


RE: why different?
By amanojaku on 5/6/2013 2:10:46 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
pods underneath the wings for storing additional fuel
Drop tanks.

I'd avoid enlarging the fuselage bulge, though. Might give other planes storage envy. ;)


RE: why different?
By e36Jeff on 5/6/2013 4:58:54 PM , Rating: 2
Oddly, in this case the plane is actually longer than the 777-200LR by 19ft. I'd guess they used this extra length to stuff more fuel under the passenger deck. The 777-200LR already has 3 extra fuel tanks compared to other 777's, so it's a safe bet the -8X will keep that. No word on what they did with the wings on the -8X, but the -200LR already has the largest wings in the 777 family(the -200LR shares its wings with the 777f and the -300ER). Its a safe bet they are the same/larger than the -200LR.


RE: why different?
By lwatcdr on 5/7/2013 12:40:43 AM , Rating: 2
They are called area rule bodies and are not often used anymore. Same for bulging the center section because that can mess up your area rule,
Everything else you said is correct. The of the time they take the wing from the stretched model and use the fuselage of the smaller model.


Longer Range
By cladari on 5/6/2013 3:12:31 AM , Rating: 3
This has beats the current long range king, 777-200LR, by 180nm so it's not really much of a breakthrough.




RE: Longer Range
By fteoath64 on 5/6/2013 8:49:49 AM , Rating: 2
It makes a world of difference if the flight distance was hit by massive headwinds reducing the range dramatically. It might call for an UN-shceduled refuelling stop. Airlines normally compute/estimate fuel volumes fairly accurately to save costs and hardly ever carry too much fuel. You can see the pilots adjusting speed mid-flight to balance the amount of fuel left.


RE: Longer Range
By bug77 on 5/6/2013 9:17:29 AM , Rating: 2
The range isn't, but there are other factors. It may achieve that range while hauling more passengers, it could be cheaper to build/acquire... And in the end, it doesn't have to be a breakthrough. In the world of aviation evolution is much more welcome ;-)


Won't be used?
By Guspaz on 5/6/2013 1:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
Airlines already aren't using the range of existing aircraft...

Toronto to Sydney is 15,600 km

Air Canada serves that route with the 777-200LR, which has a fully loaded range of 17,370 km

The flight still lands to refuel in Vancouver anyhow, 12,500 km from Sydney...




RE: Won't be used?
By Jeffk464 on 5/6/2013 6:02:15 PM , Rating: 1
Seems like they should fly to LA or San Francisco and then cram everyone into an A380 for the trip to Sydney.


RE: Won't be used?
By Guspaz on 5/7/2013 11:13:21 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't make sense for an Air Canada flight between a Canadian and an Australian city to pass through the US. Extra cost/complexity, and most passengers do NOT want to pass through US security if it can be avoided.


777-300ER - short range?
By lol123 on 5/6/2013 3:02:13 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not sure I would describe the 777-300ER as "short-range". =P




Not long enough range
By PrinceGaz on 5/6/2013 10:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
9.500nm still isn't far enough for some journeys, such as London (UK) to Wellington (NZ) which comes in at 10,150nm. It might get there on a good day, but a not so good day would probably see it run out of gas somewhere over the sea beyond Australia, which would be inconvenient.

Ideally they'd design it to do 10,800nm as that would get it 180 degrees around the Earth, allowing it to do any journey safely.




Lets see how far she stays afloat
By Regs on 5/10/2013 4:48:16 PM , Rating: 2
I know we have world-class brainiac engineers working on these planes that know their tolerances, but it's the bastard sales and business executives responsible for these machines that scare me. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the last thing I want to be caught dead in, is a machine that is testing the limits of modern aviation.




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