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Sales data for the week ended Jan. 7

Sales data for the week ended Jan. 14
But a report on optical drive manufacturers says that Blu-ray won't take off until 2009

According to figures released by Nielsen VideoScan to Home Media Magazine, Blu-ray movies are quickly gaining ground on HD DVD. The sales numbers show that Blu-ray Discs have been outselling HD DVDs by a strong margin thus far in 2007.

During the first week of 2007, sales of Blu-ray more than doubled that of HD DVDs, with the latter making up only 46.14 percent of sales compared to the former. Blu-ray pulled even further ahead the next week, leaving HD DVD behind at only 38.36 percent of Blu-ray’s numbers. To clarify, that means that, from January 1 to January 14, for every 100 Blu-ray Discs that were sold, only 38.36 HD DVDs were sold – meaning that Blu-ray has been outselling HD DVD by nearly a three to one margin.

The recent explosion of Blu-ray Disc sales can be attributed to a couple of reasons. The most obvious would be the launch of the PlayStation 3, which rapidly injected the Blu-ray Disc movie market with at least 687,300 players. In contrast, HD DVD backers announced at CES 2007 that some 175,000 HD DVD players were sold in the U.S. since the format’s introduction. The sales numbers of PlayStation 3 alone put Blu-ray players way ahead of HD DVD machines, which is likely a part of Sony’s strategy for its format.

Of course, the majority of those who purchased a PlayStation 3 since launch probably did so for its games playing capabilities. But, given the absolutely desolate pickings of games available for the machine at the current moment, gamers could be feeding their shiny black consoles Blu-ray movies until there’s something more fun to play.

It’s important to note that the figures presented by Nielsen VideoScan are based on point-of-sale data, leaving out movies sold as part of bundle deals. That means that the numbers of Blu-ray and HD DVD movies sold do not count the copies of Talladega Nights and King Kong bundled with PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 HD DVD player, respectively.

Another reason for Blu-ray’s recent charge could be HD DVD’s recent drought of new releases, with only two new HD DVD titles over the two weeks. Batman Begins remains the top selling title for HD DVD, while Blu-ray saw newer titles cycle through its sales ranks, with Crank taking top spot for the second week of January.

Although HD DVD still holds the majority of total HD movies sold, Blu-ray movies have recently made up tremendous ground. In the week ended January 7, Blu-ray only had 85.05 percent of HD DVD’s total market share since the formats’ inception. Just one week later, Blu-ray managed to claw up more than 7 percent to reach 92.4 percent of HD DVD’s share.

While Blu-ray’s recent insurgence can be attributed to the release of the PlayStation 3, the current lead of HD DVD media sales can be explained by its earlier arrival on the market. Toshiba shipped one of the first HD DVD players in April 2006, with Samsung following up two months later with the first Blu-ray machine in June 2006.

Despite the recent surge for Blu-ray, the Global Optical Storage Industry Report, published December 2006, says that HD DVD will still be the mainstream in the market during 2007 to 2009, after which Blu-ray is expected to take over the lead. Most optical drive manufacturers (the report names four giants in the optical drive business: Hitachi-LG, Toshiba-Samsung, Sony NEC and LiteOn) acknowledge Blu-ray as the future and view HD DVD as a transitional product. Because of the high costs and difficulties in manufacturing Blu-ray parts, as demonstrated in the challenges in making the PlayStation 3, the report says that Blu-ray will have to wait until 2009 before seeing strong market growth.

Many of the challenges associated with Blu-ray are that the format’s manufacturing process requires new machinery and equipment, while HD DVD is generally compatible with much of the processes used to make DVDs. As an example, Steven Hirsch of Vivid Entertainment told DailyTech in a past interview that there are very few Blu-ray manufacturing facilities available as compared to HD DVD replication, providing greater challenges in bringing Blu-ray movies to market.

Until very recently, even Hollywood lacked a dedicated testing center for the authoring, encoding and replication of Blu-ray movies. Matsushita Electric Industrial announced on February 2 that its U.S. subsidiary, Panasonic Corporation of North America, will establish a Blu-ray Testing Center within the existing facilities of Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory.

Matsushita says that its testing center is the first of its kind for Blu-ray Disc media for content verification before disc replication. The motion picture industry apparently expressed the need for a testing center to provide such services, especially in the Hollywood area. The new Panasonic testing center hopes to accelerate the release of BD-Video titles to market.

Blu-ray currently holds the advantage in storage space, but it cannot lean on that fact alone, as Toshiba has achieved a 51GB, triple layer HD DVD. Until Blu-ray Disc manufacturing reaches the ease and cost-levels comparable to its competitor, HD DVD still holds the edge in terms of cost of equipment to both consumer and manufacturer. At any rate, the HD optical format war sees no end in sight, with some companies resigning to a stalemate with the release of dual format players and dual format movies.



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Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By hstewarth on 2/5/2007 9:42:44 AM , Rating: 2
Studio support is primary reason reason for signficant increase in Blu-Ray ( along with of course the PS3 ).

Of the 7 major manufactors, Blu Ray has 6 of them, HD DVD 3 of the major manufactors and the one execlusive manufactor is Universal.

Also on the new releases Blu-Ray has 4 to 1 over HD DVD.

If this article states that Blu-Ray will not be there until 2009 and it has 3 to 1 sales - where does HD DVD go. My guess is 2008 will be big turnover year and not 2009. In the last week 1.5 Million HDTV were sold for the Superbowl.




RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By DEredita on 2/5/07, Rating: 0
RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By Goty on 2/5/2007 10:21:31 AM , Rating: 3
Why pay $900+ when you can pay $500 for a fully-featured Blu-Ray player that plays games as well?


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By Scabies on 2/5/2007 10:36:18 AM , Rating: 3
not to mention it is one of the best rated blu-ray players available in quality and price, let alone the added functionality of being a gaming platform/web browser/multimedia server.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By Goty on 2/5/2007 3:35:56 PM , Rating: 5
Don't you just love how saying anything positive about the PS3 without even mentioning the 360 or MS in the same response (or even saying PS3 explicitly) will immediately get your post modded down to -1? I guess there is one positive there; it means that people are actually reading the comments instead of just searching for "PS3" in the response and modding them down because they have no life.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By cochy on 2/5/2007 3:53:57 PM , Rating: 2
Ya it's kinda silly. Anyway I mod'ed you up :P


By Goty on 2/5/2007 9:49:19 PM , Rating: 2
Why, thank you!


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By hecksign on 2/6/2007 12:50:31 AM , Rating: 2
it's kinda silly too when you say you mod'ed one guy up and another person mod'ed you down. not me though.


By Dactyl on 2/6/2007 2:50:30 AM , Rating: 2
What's best is the submarine strategy. Pick a comment you don't like, and mod it up.

Then, come back a few hours later, and comment on the thread. Your boost will disappear. So if the comment you uprated stabilized at a "1" rating, your comment will bring it down to "0"

Not that I would actually endorse gaming the system... (no, seriously, I don't endorse it... just try to use it as it's intended, to encourage better commenting)


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By rushfan2006 on 2/6/2007 8:51:33 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Why pay $900+ when you can pay $500 for a fully-featured Blu-Ray player that plays games as well?


Oh I can think of a couple reasons:

1) Why spend even $500. "Patience. The ultimate coupon for savings.". ;)

2) If you want a serious HT system at home you don't use a game console w/ a blu-ray player built in. You get a quality stand alone unit that has features and capabilities that no PS3 blu-ray player has. People fail to realize there is more to just being able to play a movie in a format...I said this when Xbox came out btw -- to the folks saying "why buy a dvd player?". When console's can play DVD/HD/Blu-ray movies, they offer ALL (not just *some*) of the input/outputs of quality standalone units, they feature all the built in bells and whistles like the built in audio codecs, progressive scanning, etc. AND on top of that they actually have a more mature look about them so they actually "look nice" next to your other HT equipment....yeah..THEN tell me about "why not just get a console"...



RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By miekedmr on 2/6/2007 10:51:23 AM , Rating: 1
I'm going to disagree with #2 there...
You would pay the premium because of how the unit looks in your home theatre? That's completely frivolous, but I guess there are lots of people who value form over function.
As far as inputs and outputs... there are adapters for whatever you need to hook to it.
There may be a difference in video quality between the PS3 and the standalones, I can't say I know, so I'll leave that alone.
As far as audio goes, I'm sure the PS3 is more than adequate.
Here's where I get really OT:
The great thing about the audio industry is that you can convince people to buy anything in the name of quality, and they will eat it up thanks to placebo and completely subjective judgements.
There are objective measurements that allow you to determine signal fidelity in amps, sound cards, whatever. The problem is that the biggest bottleneck is always the speakers. 96khz 24bit, 104db SNR, and super fancy gold plated cables (LOL) don't mean anything through some overpriced BOSE crap, or much else that you'd buy in a store.
Speaker manufacturer know that marketing is a better investment than spending on actual measureable quality differences beyond a certain point, because people just can't tell the difference.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By rushfan2006 on 2/6/2007 11:09:34 AM , Rating: 3
You can disagree all you want, hell disagree with ANYTHING you want -- say the Earth really isn't flat....say we are a race of immortals that will live for all eternity....you have the ability to say whatever you want - that's the beauty of open forum debates...however it doesn't mean you are correct.

You CLEARLY are not the intended audience to which I was relating to --- if you think its "frivolous" to pay premium price for how the unit looks in your HT and the buck stops there. Further more your comment on "well there are converters for just about any connection these days"....told me everything I needed to know that you are NOT the audience I'm talking about. Go into a high end A/V store -- where they sell speakers that cost thousands per speaker (not per pair) and tell them that same exact thing. But please don't insulted when they look at you like you are from Mars, or they try not to smirk right in your face. You just don't know what they do...and that's ok.

Finally, you'll get one kudos from me -- pointing out how many over look the value of truly good speakers...I agree 100% there. Quality speakers are incredibly important if you are serious about your HT --- and serious means not just a gamer with a PS3 box.



By rushfan2006 on 2/6/2007 11:10:25 AM , Rating: 2
EDIT: "Say the Earth really IS flat..."


By miekedmr on 2/6/2007 12:21:45 PM , Rating: 3
You're right.
I shouldn't have lumped everyone together, there ARE home theatres out there that a stand alone player would be suited for, especially when the players cost is dwarfed by the cost of the other pieces.
I still think that for the majority of people, the functionality of the PS3 as a player would be more than enough, and the only thing they'd be getting out of the extra money is aesthetic.


By masher2 (blog) on 2/5/2007 9:47:41 AM , Rating: 4
The article leaves a few things unsaid. One of course is that HD-DVD has been outselling BD by a huge margin for the past several months. BD had a post-Christmas bounce, due to the PS3 release and a dry month for HD-DVD releases...but two weeks of sales do not a format make.

Also unsaid is the expectation that HD-DVD will recover its lead, and lead in total sales at least through 2007.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By Sparke on 2/5/07, Rating: -1
By ViperROhb34 on 2/5/2007 11:39:55 AM , Rating: 3
This statement is sort of like saying how will PS3 recover from being out sold from Wii and Xbox 360's one year headstart and strong sales.

The PS3 cost alot and might not catch up. If it does it might not be dominant like PS2.. but just because Wii outsold PS3 for the last 2 months by 3 to 4 fold WORLDWIDE.. Does this mean PS3 will never catch up ?

Bluray has one a good month and more ahead im sure.. but For those 600k who just bought PS3.. Im sure thats the biggest factor. Most other people arent buying HD players at all. It doesnt mean that HD-DVD can't ever catch up. You should expect Bluray sales to be strong especially now.. PS3 oweners are curious about Bluray movies.. 2 months ago when HD-DVD just came out on Xbox 360 there was a surge of HD-DVD sales.


By masher2 (blog) on 2/5/2007 1:58:16 PM , Rating: 3
> "I'm a bit confused by your statement. How do you expect HD-DVD to recover its lead ..."

While I do expect HD-DVD to recover its lead, its not my expectation...its the opinion of those who wrote the source story. Why do they believe it? I imagine its because they expect the average PS3 owner to buy considerably fewer disks on average than the owner of a dedicated player. A million people bought PS3s and ran out to buy a disc or two. But will they keep buying? I know plenty of people with dedicated players that already have 50+ HD discs...the average PS3 owner isn't going to be anywhere near that ratio.

> "Blu-Ray also has 5 major studios EXCLUSIVE to them "

As of last time I checked (right before Christmas), HD-DVD was still leading Blu-Ray in total films released. Its not the number of studios that count, its the number of films you can buy.






By mgillespie2 on 2/6/2007 11:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
The total films released has been overtaken by Blu-Ray a couple of days back (158 for HD-DVD, 159 for Blu-Ray). The total media sales todate, Blu-Ray is likely to overtake HD-DVD in a matter of weeks, according to the sale report linked from this article. Considering HD-DVD had a 6 month lead, that has evaportated very quickly indeed.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By hstewarth on 2/5/2007 10:49:47 AM , Rating: 2
You totally missing the point of my statement. Blu-Ray sales is not because of post christmas bounce of PS3 - but because of studio support.

Think about with Pirates of Carribean and Cars and likely other movies form Disney coming out in May/June. Plus the Fox series. The content is just so much better with Blu-Ray and quantity of quality titles is just going to keep on going up.

HD DVD is in serious trouble now because of studio support. I predict with in a year Univesal will have Blu-Ray - maybe on Total HD format - but still Blu-Ray movies.


By masher2 (blog) on 2/5/2007 2:01:53 PM , Rating: 4
> "Blu-Ray sales is not because of post christmas bounce of PS3 - but because of studio support..."

Quite untrue. Studio support hasn't changed the past few months...months in which HD-DVD not only had more releases, but more total disc sales as well.

So why did Blu-Ray suddenly go from selling 1/2 as many discs to 3X as many as HD-DVD? The PS3 factor, plain and simple. The real question is, will those PS3 owners keep buying? Or are we simply seeing a surge primarily from those who bought a couple discs to check out the format, and will now start spending their money on games.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By melgross on 2/5/2007 11:44:17 AM , Rating: 3
This is your expectation. Why would they leave it unsaid? They didn't leave anything else unsaid.

HD-DVD will do well enough through 2007, but after that, it seems as though they will fade away.

It looks to be following the Beta VHS scenario, except that now, Sony is on the winning side.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By ViperROhb34 on 2/5/2007 12:06:08 PM , Rating: 2
Way too soon to call.
When DVD came out.. consumers were screaming for it.
No one is really screaming for either format.
DVD sales are still VERY VERY strong. Basically no one is interested in HD formats except people on these sites who own 360's and PS3's

Either format could be wiped out by a new format. Fortunatley for Xbox 360 they dont lose because they can lisc Bluray.. they dont have ownership in HD-DVD they was Sony has ownership on Bluray.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By michal1980 on 2/5/2007 2:57:22 PM , Rating: 1
no one was really screaming for dvd when it first came out.

sorry to burst your short term memory bubble. it was kind of like this for the 1st too years, a 'lot' of early adaptors, then it started going main stream.


By cheetah2k on 2/5/2007 8:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
No offence to the DVD format, but I remember that it was Fraking expensive to buy DVD players and DVD's initially, and this trend lasted for at least 18 months.

In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that Laser Disc was so expensive, bulky and easily scratched, DVD would have never taken off ;-p


By cochy on 2/5/2007 4:06:35 PM , Rating: 2
I can't see any real comparisons between Beta VHS and Blu-ray HD-DVD. The two scenarios are pretty different.

If you really want to dumb it down, VHS was the cheaper of the two formats and the technologically inferior of the two and it won. So pretty much it's the opposite of what would happen if Blu-ray wins.

Problem with Betamax was that it was a closed format that Sony kept to themselves while JVC opened VHS up to everyone.

Same thing with DVIX vs DVD. DVD was open and DVIX was closed.

Open formats have more manufacturer support and more studio support. So if history has anything to teach, the format with the most support normally comes through. Blu-ray has more support than HD-DVD.


By BladeVenom on 2/5/2007 11:19:05 AM , Rating: 2
Sony gave out a bunch of coupons and rebates. After those are used up sales will slow back down. HD-DVD isn't going away.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By jtyson on 2/5/2007 11:34:44 AM , Rating: 2
On paper, this format war is already a wrap. It'll be interesting (and by interesting, I mean painful) to see how long this war drags out.

By the by, does anyone else see the futility in making HD-DVD/Blu-Ray hybrid discs? Warner Bros. Has gone on record as saying that the discs will sell for more than a typical Blu-Ray or HD-DVD disc, so unless you own both a Blu-Ray player and an HD-DVD player, wouldn't it just be cheaper to pick a side and buy the standard movies made for the format you choose? Perhaps I'm missing something.


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By jkresh on 2/5/2007 1:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
lets say you have an hd-dvd drive, but are somewhat worried that it might loose (or a blue-ray and are worried about that) instead of paying $25 for a disc which might not work in any new players in 1-2 years, you pay $30 and have something that will work regardless of which format wins.


By jtyson on 2/5/2007 4:01:44 PM , Rating: 2
I see, I see. So, if you want to purchase a high definition movie, but you're not sure which camp to pick, it keeps you from buying the same movie again later. Makes sense I guess...

...or you could just buy the Blu-Ray (sorry, couldn't resist).


RE: Studio sypport is the main reason for this
By AlexWade on 2/5/2007 3:00:23 PM , Rating: 2
Does Talladega Nights count as a "sale"? If so, then THAT is the main reason for Blu-Ray taken the lead. I really predict Blu-Ray movie sales to slump a lot because Blu-Ray players, including the Playstation 3, are about as popular as rug burn. (Sure PS3 started hot, but it isn't selling well now.) HD DVD isn't popular either, but it sells far more standalones than Blu-Ray. If, and that is a big if, Microsoft and Toshiba can deliver on their CES promise of cheap Chinese players, it will tilt the format war back in HD DVD's favor in a big way. And studios will follow the money, unless the studio is owned by Sony or Universal. They will only follow the inevitable.

Don't think this trend will change, however, until Universal comes out swinging with its main titles. Blu-Ray has far more movies coming out.


By rushfan2006 on 2/6/2007 8:58:11 AM , Rating: 2
Talladega Nights....

God that movie sucked hard....I can't believe I lost 2 hours of my life watching that atrocious flick.....



By Sanjay on 2/6/2007 3:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
The 'Blu-Ray disk of 'Taladega Nights' bundled with the PS3 is not included in the sales figures. No offence, but did you bother to even read the whole article? The article very clearly states that
quote:
It’s important to note that the figures presented by Nielsen VideoScan are based on point-of-sale data, leaving out movies sold as part of bundle deals. That means that the numbers of Blu-ray and HD DVD movies sold do not count the copies of Talladega Nights and King Kong bundled with PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 HD DVD player, respectively.


By bozilla on 2/5/2007 4:05:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also on the new releases Blu-Ray has 4 to 1 over HD DVD.


Where exactly did you pull this information out of?

For 2007 HD-DVD has close to 150 movies coming out, while Blu-Ray has around 190-200. So it's 150 against 200 and that's mostly because these 50 movies belong to Sony Pictures and Fox camp that are BD exlusive studio.

Where did you get 4:1, I have no idea, but I'm sick and tired of people posting false statements like that.

DO you have any idea what 2 YEARS means in tech industry. In 2 years, we will see a plethora of HD-DVD players, more then enough movies, great storage capacity, burners etc etc and RIDICULOUSLY low prices. in 2009 we can expect Blu-Ray players to reach HD-DVD prices TODAY.

Another thing is that Sony is GIVING AWAY rebates that you use to get another FREE movie from them. And yes, they do count this as SALE. So hm, Blu-Ray sales now don't seems so realistic now don't they?

Not to mention that if you take out PS3 and XBox HD-DVD addon, since last year Sony has sold around 25k Blu-Ray players. You know how many HD-DVD PLAYERS (meaning they were bought exclusively FOR MOVIE WATCHING) are there on the market without XBox HD-DVD players? I'll tell you OVER 120000.

I'm sick and tired of hyped up statistics that favor Blu-Ray. With all dirty marketing these guys are doing, they will still LOSE. They just can't be better quality in movies, cheap price, easy of use, backwards compatibility and hybrid technology (regular DVD and HD-DVD on one disk), interactive features ETC ETC of HD-DVD.

Toshiba's only mistake is that they need to start pushing these retail chains like Best Buy and others to START SHOWING HD-DVDs with proper TVs and in more prominent locations of the store. But that's all paid for and you can't really blame Best Buy since they rent these things out to the highest bidder.


Bias?
By Frosen on 2/5/07, Rating: 0
RE: Bias?
By THEREALJMAN73 on 2/5/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bias?
By ViperROhb34 on 2/5/2007 12:08:46 PM , Rating: 2
Huey Lewis .. Hip to be square ?


RE: Bias?
By hstewarth on 2/5/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bias?
By DEredita on 2/5/2007 10:01:41 AM , Rating: 2
If I wanted a superior gaming experience, I would buy a XBox 360 and/or a Wii. I personally find the PS3 to be an overhyped, overpriced, oversized, glitchly pile of crap. BTW... the HD-DVD player for the XBox360 does just fine.


RE: Bias?
By Scabies on 2/5/2007 10:09:24 AM , Rating: 2
glitchy? thats news to me... With firmware updates coming once (or more) every few weeks, I find it to be a very stable platform. The games do suck right now, atm, but I really think you threw glitchy out there in a trolling manner.
and, btw, the blu-ray player on PS3 does just fine as well.


RE: Bias?
By rykerabel on 2/5/2007 10:47:26 AM , Rating: 2
/agree, no glitches for me but I like the current games just fine too.


RE: Bias?
By StevoLincolnite on 2/5/2007 10:49:13 AM , Rating: 2
You shouldn't HAVE to download firmware updates, Its a console!. All the years of my console gaming, only recently have "Updates" became the norm. Not everyone has an internet connection, or has access to one. Especially those living in the scrub land.


RE: Bias?
By jtyson on 2/5/2007 11:41:49 AM , Rating: 3
Blame the Xbox 360. He started it.


RE: Bias?
By Chaser on 2/9/2007 10:32:52 AM , Rating: 2
OMG. You could always go back to your N64 then. I'd much rather have anything that has the ability to be updated and perfected in firmware.

No internet capability for the N64 either so you should be very happy. Enjoy.


RE: Bias?
By drivendriver on 2/5/2007 11:07:44 AM , Rating: 2
Blu-Ray + Uncompressed HD Audio + PS3 Games + PS2 Games + Linux FTW!

Only one complaint: Cash, Guns, Chaos makes my thumbs sore. I need to save them for Motorstorm.


RE: Bias?
By jtyson on 2/5/2007 11:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
Anybody played the new multiplayer Blast Factor? Crazy fun, although it's really similar to Cash, Guns, Chaos, which means more sore thumbs...


RE: Bias?
By acer905 on 2/5/2007 11:58:55 AM , Rating: 2
Just a side note.... for less sore thumbs, play more Wii


RE: Bias?
By jtyson on 2/5/2007 1:15:54 PM , Rating: 2
Wii = sore everything.


RE: Bias?
By Eris23007 on 2/5/2007 8:00:19 PM , Rating: 2
Now that's just gross. *blech*


RE: Bias?
By ViperROhb34 on 2/5/2007 11:53:44 AM , Rating: 2
PS3 games will double.. but that dont have that many (good ones )now.

Too bad for them that most of PS3's games coming out this year are also being released on 360. Aka.. UT 3, Assassins Creed.. list goes on..

Now they want Mortal Combat on 360 with Gears Of War Engine


RE: Bias?
By jtyson on 2/5/2007 10:54:13 AM , Rating: 2
I've just read through the entire article, and I was ready to post the same exact thing. It's one thing to be skeptical of a new format that perhaps hasn't introduced itself to the market yet (i.e. "We're still not convinced this Blu-Ray format will catch on, etc."), but when the subject of the article is based around Blu-Ray rapidly gaining ground on its only competitor, the snide comments and skepticism seems out of place. For example, the sentence...
quote:
...but given the absolutely desolate pickings of games available for the machine at the current moment, gamers could be feeding their shiny black consoles Blu-ray movies until there’s something more fun to play.
...seems to suggest that most people who bought a PS3 are only purchasing Blu-Ray movies because they've got nothing better to do with their PS3, and that as soon as more games are released, the Blu-Ray numbers will plummet into oblivion (where they should be).
I think that the disapproving tone of the article says less about the quality or stability or Blu-Ray as a format, but more about how chic it's become to down the PlayStation 3. You would think that people would be happy to see one of the formats pulling ahead, and speed up the end of the whole format war.


HD DVD vs Blueray
By StevoLincolnite on 2/5/2007 8:46:51 AM , Rating: 1
I still don't think it is fair that they didn't count the HD DVD drive from the Xbox 360, So in my opinion, This article was biased towards blue ray. I think its a bit to early to decide who is the winner in this war, lets hope we all don't have to buy Blue ray and HD DVD machines... And for the price of a disc... I'll still stick to my DVD -/+ discs, As I can get a pack of 100 or so for 30 bucks (Here in Australia) where-as CD's cost 25 bucks for a 100 pack.




RE: HD DVD vs Blueray
By Goty on 2/5/2007 9:00:29 AM , Rating: 2
You forget to also acknowledge the fact that this doesn't include the Blu-Ray movies sold with the PS3. While I will concede the fact that MS has almost certainly sold more HD-DVD drives than Sony has PS3s, I'm willing to bet that that wouldn't make up this much lost ground.

I will go on to say, however, that I expect things to even back out again pretty soon. This recent surge is most likely because people just got their first paychecks after Christmas and decided to go out and buy movies for their new PS3s. I don't think this level of activity will hold up.


RE: HD DVD vs Blueray
By therealnickdanger on 2/5/2007 9:29:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
While I will concede the fact that MS has almost certainly sold more HD-DVD drives than Sony has PS3s

No way has MS sold more HD-DVD drives than PS3s...

This announcement isn't really all that shocking. For the first week after Christmas, BD outsold HD-DVD for the first time, which has maintained at least a 2-to-1 lead in software and hardware for months previous to that. Wow. All praise Sony... It certainly doesn't hurt that January was a VERY dry month for exclusive HD-DVD releases.

Sony may have just wet its panties, but one week of sales is hardly a tide-turner. A report with this much data I would expect in June or something...


RE: HD DVD vs Blueray
By CorrND on 2/5/2007 11:36:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
No way has MS sold more HD-DVD drives than PS3s...

True. Estimates were 100k Xbox 360 HD-DVD drives sold through the middle of January, putting it well behind PS3s.


RE: HD DVD vs Blueray
By OrSin on 2/5/2007 9:19:15 AM , Rating: 2
They are not count BR dics sold in bundles but they are counting the rebate for 1 free disc from PS3 sells.

My guess with 1 month the sales will even out and HD might even take teh lead again. Personal I dont care who wins but I'm not investing in either until one of them gets a affordable writer. If was to get one early I would not be buying movies I would be just renting them.


RE: HD DVD vs Blueray
By DEredita on 2/5/2007 9:33:24 AM , Rating: 2
I hate reading the reviews or "reports" on Bluray vs HDDVD because it seems the authors always seem to be bias towards one or the other. I take these with a grain of salt - there are way too many variables at this point.
Things can always turn around, especially since the price of Toshiba's second generation HD-DVD player (HD-A2) is selling for around 365-390 on Amazon.


RE: HD DVD vs Blueray
By ViperROhb34 on 2/5/2007 11:59:40 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you.

The Wii has outsold PS3 by about Four-Fold Worldwide.
Does this mean PS3 will not catch up ? Probably at 600 dollars. But point is 2 or 3 months of solid sales doesnt make or break something.

Three months ago when Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive came out.. HD-DVD sales were boosted because curious people bought HD-DVD disc. PS3 just sold what should have been their biggest initial boost of consoles because it just got released. They should be selling UBER Bluray disc now because of this !!


SALES VS RENTALS?
By Mitch101 on 2/5/2007 10:30:30 AM , Rating: 2
Sales might be higher on Blue Ray because arent HD-DVD's rentable from places like NetFlix where your not forced like a Blue Ray owner to buy the titles?

Anyone have NetFlix HD-DVD rental numbers?




RE: SALES VS RENTALS?
By Scabies on 2/5/2007 10:39:56 AM , Rating: 2
uh, I own maybe three BR-D titles, and I netflix everything else. No one forced me to buy my movies, in fact I rented them from netflix before buying them. I'm sending back The Guardian today to get my eighth BR Rental since December.


RE: SALES VS RENTALS?
By Mitch101 on 2/5/2007 10:42:16 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks I didnt know they carried BlueRay titles. I just checked to see that they do.


RE: SALES VS RENTALS?
By Hulk on 2/5/07, Rating: 0
RE: SALES VS RENTALS?
By Mitch101 on 2/5/2007 10:59:37 AM , Rating: 5
I personally think they are both dead formats. They only offer a mediocre space increase over existing DVD-9 for now on a media that was not needed. Even of they add additional layers their is no guarantee you can use the new media on the existing players.

There is no magic to HD-DVD or BLUE Ray they are just 30gig DVD's and nothing more.

If I were to pick a winner it would be HD-DIVX. A full HD movie in excellent near unperceptible difference to a uncompressed HD MPEG2 stream that easily fits on a DVD-9 disc. Most people cant tell the difference. Of course it is dependant on how the compression is done. If WMV-9 were as easy to do as HD-DIVX then WMV-9 could be a winner too over HD-DVD and BLUE Ray.

The IODATA linkplayer 2 allows for HD-DIVX file playback showing that a $600 High Definition player really wasnt necessary for HD Content in the home and thats been out for about 3 years now. It might be limited to 1080i but again its 3 years old and could easily have been updated to support 1080P as Terminator 2 was a WMV9 title in 1080P on a single DVD9.

I say bring on the 100Gig/1TB DVD's and lets put BLUE RAY and HD-DVD out of thier misery.


RE: SALES VS RENTALS?
By Scabies on 2/5/07, Rating: 0
Does it really matter what format wins?
By Turgon77 on 2/5/07, Rating: 0
By daftrok on 2/5/2007 1:28:02 PM , Rating: 2
Two words: back up.


RE: Does it really matter what format wins?
By masher2 (blog) on 2/5/2007 2:10:57 PM , Rating: 3
> "only a matter of time before all content - movies, games, software - is downloadable..."

True perhaps...but the exact amount of time before that happens is still a good ways away. Downloading a 1080p film isn't practical now for the vast majority of the population. For those few who have a connection fast enough to download 20+ GB in a reasonable amount of time, there's still the question of what do you watch it on? Not everyone has a media PC, and not everyone wants to watch films on their computer.

In a decade, ultraspeed broadband will be prevalent, and your average player will likely include an internet connection. Till then...what will Joe Public watch movies on? And what happens when 1080 is old news, and the new video standard is "4320p"....and your average film takes over 200GB?

We're going to have static media around for a good long time...at least for HD content. Downloading standard 480p-quality DVD films will likely grow in popularity.


RE: Does it really matter what format wins?
By walk2k on 2/5/2007 2:52:59 PM , Rating: 2
The internet is not a truck! Stop clogging up the tubes with your Net Flicks! My staff sent me internet on Friday, why did I just get it today?


By CascadingDarkness on 2/7/2007 7:28:25 PM , Rating: 2
For those who didn't see it first hand, you must see.
http://www.dailymotion.com/Fedquip/video/357253


Good or Bad?
By CKDragon on 2/5/2007 9:19:14 AM , Rating: 5
I include myself within a group of people that hope both these DRM-infested formats tank in hopes of something better coming along. I know that this article is primarily for comparison purposes of the two junkers, but any idea what these sales figures mean for the health of the "next-gen" DVD formats overall?




RE: Good or Bad?
By sdsdv10 on 2/5/2007 10:37:28 AM , Rating: 2
I don't mean to be negative, but please explain how you think a new format won't be "DRM-infested". This is not coming from the drive manufactures (Sony, etc), Microsoft or the US government. This is coming from the movie studios/content providers. Before they let their moves be put into any new format they will absolutely require some type of DRM. The only possible way a new format could be DRM free and have any content (movies) would have to be via piracy. No way around it.

Certainly, there is always the possibility of new optical storage technologies. But if they want to come with preloaded movies, they will have DRM. I'm sorry to say, this is the way it is now and will be for the fore seeable future.


Internet and flash drives
By DingieM on 2/5/2007 9:17:22 AM , Rating: 2
THE main competitor of both formats is the internet.
Besides the internet flash drives will quickly advance due to increased storage capacity and because flash is so much faster than a rotating disc...




RE: Internet and flash drives
By acer905 on 2/5/2007 10:36:20 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly, optical disk's are as dead to the world as cash is. Flash memory, or more general, digital storage is the way of the future. Its easier to use, simple to produce. And much harder to break. Not to mention if you have one type of memory stick, a converter can be purchased, or made to make if fit a different socket.


I just want somebody to pick one
By Domicinator on 2/5/2007 10:06:35 AM , Rating: 2
I really don't care about this, as long as we eventually agree on one or the other. I'm pulling for BluRay because I think it's a better format, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for a player for either of these formats until I know which one comes out on top.

I don't game on consoles, only my PC, so it's not like I have a console to make the decision for me, but I would like to get an external drive for one of these formats eventually to use on my tower and my laptop. I'm just saving my money until there's a winner. And until then, I'm happy with normal DVDs. But I'm also someone who is not real into all this HDTV hype.




By CorrND on 2/5/2007 11:38:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I really don't care about this, as long as we eventually agree on one or the other. I'm pulling for BluRay because I think it's a better format, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for a player for either of these formats until I know which one comes out on top.

I doubt we'll see a winner. I think the most likely outcome of this battle is dual-format players.


...
By tk109 on 2/5/2007 12:16:11 PM , Rating: 2
If it matters I was just at Fry's the other day and HD-DVD had twice as many movies on the shelf as bruray. They had a pretty good selection of shelf space for HD-DVD and a much smaller space for blu-ray.

I think the ps3 sales made the big difference for now. But I'm thinking all the people who are buying stand alone players are going to be the ones to determine who wins (or just does better in the end). It's going to be the home theater crowd and all the home theater retailers not gamers who decide. Also I'd say the free king kong movie that came with a lot of ps3's is probably counted in among it's sales.




RE: ...
By Sanjay on 2/6/2007 3:54:24 PM , Rating: 2
King Kong is a Universal title, which happens to be the only studio that is exclusive to HD-DVD thus obviously 'King Kong' could not have been distributed for free or otherwise with a PS3. Actually, the fact is that 'King Kong' which is only available on HD-DVD has been distributed free with the XBOX-360 HD-DVD drive. 'Taladega Nights' which is a Sony title and which is exclusive to Blu-Ray is the title that has been bundled for free with the PS3. By the way the Blu-Ray disk of 'Taldega Nights' bundled with the PS3 is a different version from the Blu-Ray disk released to retail. Also if you read the original article more carefully it says very clearly that
quote:
It’s important to note that the figures presented by Nielsen VideoScan are based on point-of-sale data, leaving out movies sold as part of bundle deals. That means that the numbers of Blu-ray and HD DVD movies sold do not count the copies of Talladega Nights and King Kong bundled with PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 HD DVD player, respectively.


How soon your forget
By rupaniii on 2/5/2007 2:29:18 PM , Rating: 2
DVD ONLY took off when PS2 hit. That forced prices of players to drop a bit and that was it. College Students and Kids started buying movies only in DVD, having parents take the Tape back. Now, BluRay is in PS3. I have a PS3, might as well buy BluRay version of movie and play it on there, looks amazing and is the best player anyway.

Hmmm... Next Christmass... Wow, my choice, HDDVD and BluRay players cost 2/3 or 1/2 last year. Got BluRay already, lets get another one since most movies are coming out in both formats anyway and i have alot of BluRay anyway.. BluRay all around. Sweet. Oh, yeah, and later, I buy a BluRay recorder with DRM to record my TV and my commercials.... might as well, so I can watch that stuff on PS3 when the wife is watching Desperate Housewives on the HUGE tv, ill enjoy my mere 37inch here.




RE: How soon your forget
By Andrwken on 2/5/2007 4:48:33 PM , Rating: 2
I recall DVD being very popular long before the ps2. Now the pricing of the hardware may have dropped significantly after the ps2 showed up. But that format was pretty much set in stone before the ps2 and its rather junky dvd player hit the shelves.



Just Say No
By kelmon on 2/5/2007 9:04:06 AM , Rating: 2
As far as I am concerned both of these formats can go away until one of them has thrown in the towel. Sorry but I have absolutely no intention in investing in a format that has the potential to go the same way as Betamax, particularly not when "plain old" DVDs are fine and cost peanuts. Let the Blu-Ray and HD DVD camps throw away their money rather than yours and steer well clear of both of them.




I'd go bluray
By Nik00117 on 2/5/2007 11:06:46 AM , Rating: 2
HD DVD doesn't attract me as much as blu ray does. This is how I look at it HUGE AMMOUNT OF SPACE on one disc for backing up my movies, data that space is critical. And cheap if you think about it. What 10 bucks a disc, 50 gigs of space? .10 a gig? thats cheap and you don't need many discs.

Blu Ray I got a hunch will succed.




By namechamps on 2/5/2007 2:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
Before this "Article" was even written there were already new numbers out. Funny that DT didn't even goto the website in question and check it out. They simply copy and paste what others are saying.

The website:
http://www.homemediaretailing.com/

This weeks magazine:
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hmr020407/

JAN 14TH numbers
YTD: BR 100% HD DVD 38.36%
SI: BR 92.4% HD DVD 100%

JAN 21ST numbers
YTD: BR 100% HD DVD 50.1%
SI: BR 82.3% HD DVD 100%

So HD DVD surged back in the week ending JAN 21st. While BD is still ahead for the year it means HD DVD sold more than BD durring the third week to close the gap 38% vs 50%. If HD DVD has another good week or to it could be even or retake the lead from BD.

Will BD widen the gap next week? Will HD DVD close the gap? By the end of feb will HD DVD be ahead or will BD be way out front? Who knows. The point is right now the numbers are way to unpredictable. It will seesaw back and forth for a while.

For DT to report 3:1 lead even when the numbers are out of date is just bad reporting. Why not report the whole story next time Daily Tech?




WAY too soon
By walk2k on 2/5/2007 3:06:38 PM , Rating: 2
As far as I'm concerned none of the current data means squat. Until players are in the sub-$200 range and major disc releases like the Star Wars and Disney films are being eaten up in droves, it's all so much pie in the sky.

It'd be like declaring a Superbowl winner after Week 1.
Oh, the Arizona Cardinals are undefeated? THIS ONE'S PRETTY MUCH OVER FOLKS!




Great Article
By casket on 2/5/2007 11:14:06 PM , Rating: 2
The Article is dead on...
I own an "HD-DVD add-on". I own a lot of "old DVD's"... and do not with to re-purchase them on HD-DVD.

I am looking for New Releases. The 3 biggest new releases on HD-DVD, IMO, have been Batman Begins, the Mummy Returns, and Scorpion King.

As I liked Batman Begins... I didn't like it enough to buy in on DVD 1 year ago. The Mummy Returns and Scorpion King, I may end up buying... as these are my only choices.

No Matrix or a few other movies is disturbing. This rollout of New Releases is too slow.
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Anyways, I think any new relase for either format will give a temporary lead. Lack of content is a serious problem.
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I don't know who will win this war... a dual-format player seems inevatable... so it may not end up mattering much.




LOL, biased report?
By mgillespie2 on 2/6/2007 11:03:49 AM , Rating: 2
"Of course, the majority of those who purchased a PlayStation 3 since launch is probably did so for its games playing capabilities; but given the absolutely desolate pickings of games available for the machine at the current moment, gamers could be feeding their shiny black consoles Blu-ray movies until there’s something more fun to play."

I see plenty of decent games.

I have been playing Resistance Fall Of Man, RidgeRacer and Motorstorm (jap), and they are all fantastic. It's certainly better than the very feeble Xbox360 launch a 14 months ago.

More likely the increase of Blu-Ray movies, is that the PS3 is a exceptionally good Blu-Ray player, that beats all the sub $1000 standalones hands down... I wound't be suprised if 20% of PS3 purchases are by movies buffs...




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