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Lord of War gets defeated by high-definition hackers
The hacker who cracked HD DVD strikes again by defeating Blu-ray Disc encryption

Late last year, a crafty individual who goes by the name “Muslix64” circumvented the copy protection scheme used to protect HD DVD. Given the similarities between the copy protection methods used in the high-definition optical formats, it was only a matter of time before Blu-ray Disc’s protections would be bypassed. However, Muslix64 has no access to Blu-ray hardware, limiting his exploit methods to HD DVD. That is, until Muslix64 came across some specific data for Blu-ray Disc, allowing him to apply his methods to the yet-uncracked format.

Another individual interested in Blu-ray’s protection scheme, “Janvitos,” who also participates in the same online forum where Muslix64 revealed his HD DVD work, posted a message showing the directory structure from a Lord of War Blu-ray Disc movie. Janvitos extracted the information by going through his system’s memory with WinHEX after playing the movie on his computer using WinDVD.

The memory dump information caught the attention of Muslix64, who replied to the thread saying, “In less [than] 24 hours, without any Blu-Ray equipment, but with the help of Janvitos, I managed to decrypt and play a Blu-Ray media file using my known-plaintext attack.” Muslix64 then posted a file as an example of his decryption work, though he did say that his method does not address BD+.

Muslix64 then went on to explain how he was able to accomplish this feat with his plaintext attack method. “This is a very basic, but [powerful] crypto attack that I have used to decrypt both [HD DVD and Blu-ray] formats,” he wrote. “After reading posts of people trying to get the keys in memory, I realized, I have a different way of looking into the problem…A lot of people try to attack the software, I'm attacking the data!”

“So I spent more time analysing the data, to look for patterns or something special to mount my known-plaintext attack,” Muslix64 explains. “Because I know the keys are unprotected in memory, I can skip all the [painful] process of code reversal.”

Although Muslix64 did not have any Blu-ray equipment at his disposal, he was still able to recover the keys with the help of Janvitos’ memory dump file and media file. Blu-ray media files are divided into individual aligned units. The first 16 bytes of each unit are not encrypted, with the rest being encrypted using AES in CBC mode. Muslix64 examined the non-encrypted portions of the data and found a reoccurring pattern, which he used to mount his known-plaintext attack.

Muslix64 goes on: “In most cases, the know-plaintext attack is in fact a guessed-plaintext attack. We ‘assume’ the data will look like something we ‘guessed’ when decrypted. Most of the time, it works! Knowing that, all you have to do, is to write a small program that scan a memory dump file, that comes from of a software player while it was playing the movie. The key is in that file, you have to locate it.”

Once the value and position of the key is in memory, all one has to do is to use a memory landmarking function to locate the key and defeat the encryption. The method discovered by Muslix64 and Janvitos is specific to Blu-ray, though similar means were used to decrypt HD DVD. This hack was made possible by the fact that the keys were not protected in memory when running video-playing software on the PC.

Even without any Blu-ray hardware at his disposal, Muslix64 shortly followed his findings reveal with the alpha release of BackupBluRay V.0.21, software he wrote to decrypt Blu-ray Discs. Limitations to his software at this time are that it doesn’t support BD+ or volume unique keys and that it only supports one CPS key per disc. Users wishing to utilize the software will also have to provide their own CPS unit key.

Those who have tried the software report that they have successfully been able to decrypt and copy their own Blu-ray Discs for playback on both PC software and set-top players. If the cracking of HD DVD and the release of pirated files is of any indication, however, Blu-ray may soon see illegal copies hitting the black market and parts of the Internet.



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good job hollywood!
By fijillian on 1/23/2007 9:54:01 PM , Rating: 5
great to see the vast amount of money & time from the movie studios has gone to good work, NOT! they were really silly to think that the encryption would not be broken




RE: good job hollywood!
By daftrok on 1/23/2007 10:50:22 PM , Rating: 4
You know what this means, though. HDCP is powerless! We are free!


RE: good job hollywood!
By borowki on 1/24/2007 12:58:43 AM , Rating: 1
Free? Are you kidding? This basically bring us one step closer to a bandwidth tax. Once the entertainment industry can convince congress that dispite their best efforts they can't prevent their properties from being stolen, the most likely outcome is some form of compensation scheme, with the cost pegged to home internet usage. Just watch, it's going to happen. Suddenly one day there'll be yet another mysterious surcharge showing up on your phone/cable bill.


RE: good job hollywood!
By JimFear on 1/24/2007 4:12:22 AM , Rating: 5
And dont forget all those tubes getting full with trucks causing senators to wait longer for their internets to finish downloading :)


RE: good job hollywood!
By CorrND on 1/25/2007 10:40:37 AM , Rating: 1
I find it hilarious that people complain about DRM practices and rejoice when they are broken. I'm certainly no fan of the studios or DRM, but you all realize that we brought DRM upon ourselves, right? There's no inherent right for music or movies to be free. By taking them without paying (by whatever means) we forced "the man's" hand.

If no one ever stole, the studios would have no reason to put all this protection crap on and we'd all be a lot happier. CDs, DVDs and everything else would probably be a bit cheaper too.


RE: good job hollywood!
By AnnihilatorX on 1/26/2007 6:31:38 AM , Rating: 2
But you have to realise that's not possible for everyone to behave good. And even if only 1% of people are pirates, the studios will still be happy to chuck out DRM to protect their 1% loss.


RE: good job hollywood!
By CorrND on 1/26/2007 11:09:12 AM , Rating: 2
Fair enough. I just wish people would realize that cracking protection will only make things worse in the future.


RE: good job hollywood!
By oTAL on 1/30/2007 3:49:03 PM , Rating: 2
While I do agree with some of what you said, this bit:

quote:
CDs, DVDs and everything else would probably be a bit cheaper too.


is utter bullshit.
The market decides the prices. In many situations, the piracy even makes titles cheaper (it happened for PS2 titles in China with executives admitting it). Why? because they figure that if contents are cheaper people will take the comfortable and legal way. If they feel overcharged, then many people will prefer to put aside a "dubious" moral issue than not have their contents. I only say dubious because, when contents are overpriced many people would not be able to buy them any way, which means, by their logic (which is not all that incorrect), that they can steal the product without harming anyone (assuming they would not buy it if piracy was not an option).

The most important message I wanted to pass is that the myth that "piracy makes software and media more expensive" is FUD. The market decides the prices. They will charge what people are willing to pay.

Only in extreme piracy environments does piracy reflect hardly on the industry. Pay TV in Spain was temporarily killed by piracy. Investments on legit businesses like movie-rental and many others are made hard due to rampant piracy in Latin America and large portions of Asia.


RE: good job hollywood!
By dijuremo on 1/30/2007 11:07:12 AM , Rating: 2
Are you stupid?

You enjoy paying the movie studios to tell where you can play your movies and where you can't?

Did you know it is illegal for you to rip a DVD that you have purchased to play it in your iPod? But why should it be, if you have already paid for the damn DVD. Start being smarter and think before you speak.

The more we allow the studios to control the way we see the stuff we pay for, the worst thnigs will get. The hacking efforts are totally welcomed by me, I am an advocate that if you pay for a movie, you should be able to play wherever the hell you want, not have to pay for one copy for your dvd player, one copy for your PC, one copy for your ipod, etc...


RE: good job hollywood!
By alifbaa on 1/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: good job hollywood!
By stmok on 1/24/2007 3:39:28 AM , Rating: 5
Have you even looked at AACS specifications?
The theory of weak encryption is incorrect.

Its the implementation itself, and how it works when it plays content. (Did you even read the article? Do you understand how AACS works?)

The weakness of AACS is where there is a point when the stream must be decrypted for viewing. (The keys are in system memory). At that point, its vulnerable. Because there is no protection of the keys itself during content playback.

To prevent that, they will need you to buy a whole new PC that is completely infected with DRM hardware technologies.

If you look at this...

Output Content Protection and Windows Vista
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/output...

This...

A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_c...

And listen to these...

(Listen to Episodes 74 and 75)
http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm


You realise the Content Providers (RIAA/MPAA/etc) have learnt from the DVD era. They have set up a massive framework of DRM when you combine these three major elements together.

(1) Software:
Microsoft has helped them. (And that's fact). If you look at the DRM technology in Vista, you realise they have implemented a framework there specifically for Content Protection. Stuff like polling the system a number of times per second, revocation of drivers if its a known leak of HD content, and checking for electrical fluctuations against possible tampering for hardware.

Such technologies will have an affect on system performance and stability. (It doesn't take a genius to realise where there will be scenarios when the monitoring of certain components is too aggressive and causes problems for the user).

(2) Hardware:
MS is basically "encouraging" hardware makers to implement crap like HDCP and in the future, extra chips in relation to sensing possible modifications to hardware. (called "tilt bits"). Hardware makers need MS, as MS controls 90%+ of the desktop market.

And implementing DRM technology doesn't benefit the hardware makers. It doesn't improve performance, provide new features worthy of selling, etc...In fact, hardware makers try not to emphasize it! (Otherwise, people won't buy the hardware!)

Its interesting that the law makers have basically made the rules up of how a hardware company is supposed to act. That is, they must prove themselves worthy. What annoys me is that some of the technologies used to enforce DRM can also be used for security of the PC. So PR/marketing dept can use the excuse of security for selling the hardware, when the truth is, its to control the end-user.

(3) Law:
Stuff like DMCA or in Australia, the Copyright Amendment 2006. (America has infected Australia with a version of DMCA as part of the Free Trade Agreement). :(


Guess who pays for all this...You, me, and every other end-user on the planet. ie: Get the consumer to pay!

DRM has and always will be about CONTROL. Control of how people can view content. This is exactly what the RIAA/MPAA wants.

The PC has always been an open-platform. This is in direct contradiction to DRM...And those scumbag Content Providers want to lock it down.

Think about it...If the content providers had the ability to control what you can see, they will use it.

BTW, expect Microsoft's professional spin doctors to twist it around and try to side step the issues with distinct "lawyer/marketing" wording that doesn't answer the questions of the consumer. Its because they need Vista to sell.


RE: good job hollywood!
By masher2 (blog) on 1/24/07, Rating: -1
RE: good job hollywood!
By stmok on 1/24/2007 4:10:59 PM , Rating: 5
What you're saying is that its OK to charge customers, and corner them into features and functions they didn't ask for.

If you want to view Blu-ray or HD-DVD on your PC in full resolution glory, you have buy a new video card AND a display that supports HDCP. What if I don't need a video card or display as my existing ones are perfectly fine? What do you call that? I call that blackmailing the end-user into paying for DRM technology.

You pay them to control you.
ie: You pay to lose your freedom on YOUR PC.


Freedom (in the sense of freedom to choose) is what Dell is currently doing with their n-series desktops. Pre-install with FreeDOS, and let the user decide if they want to install whatever OS they please. I don't care if its Windows, Linux, or whatever. That's choice.

Anyway, its none of their friggin business what I do on my PC, as long as I paid for the content I'm viewing, and circumventing protection mechanisms only to make a backup of the content I paid for. (Not to share or distribute for profit, but to store or transfer to another device that I own, say a portable media player).


RE: good job hollywood!
By SunAngel on 1/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: good job hollywood!
By Lazarus Dark on 1/25/2007 10:48:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I actually like HDCP because it is a standard. All equipment must adhere to the standard. Knowing that I will not have any problems because all equipment is supported takes one consideration I had to worry about away.


Umm... have you not heard of the numerous 'handshake' issues of hdcp. Even if you have all hdcp hardware its basically a crapshoot as to whether it works. Lots of hdcp devices are in fact incompatible, despite being a 'standard'. Just look around for the many ps3 handshake issues. Sony's ps3 isn't even compatible with some of its own tv's because the hdcp is faulty!


RE: good job hollywood!
By SunAngel on 1/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: good job hollywood!
By Pandamonium on 1/25/2007 12:58:01 PM , Rating: 2
HDCP isn't a standard- it's a specification. HDMI is a standard. HDMI is what makes it easier for the consumer. HDMI is what reduces cable clutter. HDMI is DVI with audio in a different shape. (Which is why DVI>HDMI and HDMI>DVI adapters are literally cables that rewire HDMI pins to DVI pins)

HDCP exists to benefit the entertainment industries. It does not bring any added benefit to consumers. It *costs* consumers more than anything else.


RE: good job hollywood!
By SunAngel on 1/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: good job hollywood!
By Steve Guilliot on 1/25/2007 12:56:42 PM , Rating: 2
The "features and functions" you mention are only required for playing protected HD content. Guess what? You don't have the god-given right to view that HD content in any way you please. The IP (intellection property) rights belong to the studios. They own it. It's theirs. They can place any desired conditions on it's use.

So, the logical progression is that anyone who wants to participate in the HD-love-fest has to do business with the studios, including MS and Apple. You imply incorrectly that the software companies are part of some DRM conspiracy, but that only highlights your misunderstanding.

If you don't like the current copyright laws, then lobby your congressman to change them. That's the way democracy works. Of course, the general public loves their $300M blockbusters, which the studios fund with licensing fees and royalties, so you would be in a very small minority.


RE: good job hollywood!
By thejez on 1/24/2007 10:15:28 AM , Rating: 2
so what do you propose? NO movies on the PC? No HD-DVD players for the PC?

Make no mistake, the MPAA and the RIAA are driving this not MS and not the hardware people... THEY say, "You want to play our disks, then play by these rules" -- so your company makes DVD drives and HD-DVD players etc... what are you going to do? tell them no thanks?? You dont really get options here because the RIAA and the MPAA OWN content that YOU want to consume... so you have to consume their content on their terms...

the thing i dont understand yet is how Linux/XOS fits in here.... do they not have any DRM? Can you simply play an unprotected HD-DVD movie on linux with no DRM? It seems to me if the terms dictated by the MPAA arent complied with you may very well arrive at a situation whre those disks simply cant be played on these OS's until they come into comliance.... or if what you are saying is really true and Vista is the real issue here (adding extra DRM not required to play this content) and not Linux then it would seem people will gravitate toward the more open system... but does anyone think the MPAA/RIAA will let that happen? I think its going to come to comply with us or "no content for you"....

Now the other point to the argument is of course is it even possible to really secure something that has to be consumed by the end user at some point.... somewhere in the chain of all this elaborate security the fact remains that the content MUST be displayed... and if it can be displayed then it can be copied... like has been said many many many times before... DRM doesnt prevent pirating but only makes life miserable for those who actually choose to purchase the content...


RE: good job hollywood!
By Beh on 1/24/2007 12:34:42 PM , Rating: 2
From what I remember while using Ubuntu linux, you can't even play regular DVDs without installing some packages of dubious legal status. You'll probably be able to play HD-DVD and Blu-ray on linux eventually but it likely wont be through any officially supported means. As far as OSX is concerned, it should be even easier for Jobs to convince the Mac zealots that DRM is what they want.


RE: good job hollywood!
By stmok on 1/24/2007 3:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Linux requires that you install DVD support manually. (Depending on which distro, its often a very trivial exercise). This is because, to actually play DVD movies on Linux, you have to circumvent CSS. Circumventing protection mechanisms isn't legal in some countries.

I suspect you're right about Blu-ray/HD-DVD and Linux. Someone will probably port Muslix64's source code into C/C++ for the Linux version. (Or possibly a project like VLC or MPlayer will implement the necessary bits to play such media).


RE: good job hollywood!
By thejez on 1/24/2007 4:11:31 PM , Rating: 2
so then Vista really doesn't matter then in this equation.... since I can continue to watch ripped content instead of native in Vista (like I would do in Linux)... doesnt matter how much DRM they pack in since DRM cant/doesnt prevent backups with proper tools.

The whole concept (DRM) is a bad one and will probably do nothing more than drive more people to piracy because of how cumbersome it is for people who try to play by the rules... i already gave up on buying music online because of how hard it was to move the files to my new machine... i'll never buy a song online again... its worth buying the whole disk just so I can rip it myself at a high bitrate and share it with any of my devices....



RE: good job hollywood!
By glynor on 1/24/2007 4:33:08 PM , Rating: 4
And you really think if Microsoft told them "shove it" we won't play in your sandbox then, and there will be no HD disc format for PCs, that the MPAA's tune wouldn't have changed?

With their market share and power? That'd have as likely killed BluRay and HD-DVD as anything!

Microsoft has plenty of power here, they just chose not to use it because they agree with the content owners. They do the same thing with their software!!


RE: good job hollywood!
By andtechand on 1/26/2007 10:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
There's speculation that the Canadian guy mentioned in "Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection", is Muslix64. Like Muslix64 he's a programmer. Like Muslix64 he bought an HD-DVD system what won't play HD-DVDs because the monitor doesn't support it. This happened in mid-December - the same time as Muslix64. And a week or so before Muslix64 made his announcement he was talking to a crypto expert who's been examining the AACS/HDVP protection in Windows - the author of the article.


RE: good job hollywood!
By randomname on 1/24/2007 6:12:31 AM , Rating: 1
Well, basically they haven't broken the AACS, but the software player. Given all the effort put into Vista, it is apparent the software players for XP will eventually be blacklisted. They may try to release new versions of the players for XP (that don't leave unencrypted software keys laying around in the memory) before revoking the old ones, but if even that doesn't work, all players for XP will be blacklisted. Maybe even all software players. For me it was surprising that they would allow software players for XP at all. I guess that was to get an early boost in the format war.

As for the performance drop in Vista due to polling the system, it will most likely be very small. The system is always running stuff in the background, and that is just one additional program/task. I found the article "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection" to be a poorly argumented, mostly FUD. The DRM will be inactive when protected content isn't run (apart from possible polling), but of course there will be a performance drop when protected content is playing. That performance drop is already manageable, and in a few years it will be a completely moot point.

Regardless of the OS (whether it is Vista, XP, OSX, or Linux), if you want legal playback of Blu-ray and HD-DVD, you must implement the DRM. Software players for systems that cannot implement the DRM will not be allowed. That is, if the industry as a whole doesn't change its mind, and view the approach as technically impossible / counterproductive. Somehow I doubt that will happen anytime soon.


RE: good job hollywood!
By AlexWade on 1/24/2007 8:16:43 AM , Rating: 5
Once again, the only ones who are screwed over by DRM are average consumers. DRM does nothing except inconvenience pirates for a few days. DRM only punishes the innocent. DRM should be banned, and instead all effort should be put into prosecuting those who do break the law. And let us backup copies. That is not a sin.


RE: good job hollywood!
By darkdemyze on 1/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: good job hollywood!
By Aiyee on 1/24/2007 1:52:01 PM , Rating: 3
Hardly.

Not at all like "a key on your house door" but more like the car dealer putting a Club on your steering wheel and deciding when you can drive.

The Fair Use doctrine says that the content does not belong exclusively to the creator, but that the purchaser has the legal right to create backup copies.

Yes, DMCA is in conflict with Fair Use, but that is no reason to laud DRM just because it protects the studios--at our expense.


Huge downloads...
By Micronite on 1/23/2007 9:17:07 PM , Rating: 2
At least for now, I don't see what movie studios are so afraid of. Most people don't have the patience to download a 20+Gig movie file.

You can't really compress it much more since they're already encoded using a variation of MPEG4. And if you reduce the resolution then you've defeated the purpose of HD anyway.

I guess their real concern is that now you'll be able to buy all kinds of HD and BD releases in China on the cheap.

I still wish they wouldn't have spent so much money on trying to keep the data safe (which apparently they didn't). They obviously passed along some of that cost to the consumer and made it even harder for us to adopt a new format.




RE: Huge downloads...
By robber98 on 1/23/2007 9:31:46 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe not in the US... But countries in Asia got insane amount of bandwidth for really low price (E.g. 100Mbps for US$50).


RE: Huge downloads...
By knitecrow on 1/23/2007 9:35:32 PM , Rating: 4
20-50GB only if you are looking at an MPEG2 stream. I am sure you can get the file down to 5-7GB range with the right compress format and tools. On Xbox Live, 720P movie downloads are in the ~5GB range.



RE: Huge downloads...
By daftrok on 1/24/2007 1:39:08 AM , Rating: 2
That's pretty damn good. So I guess the 1080p quality should be around 10GB. But did the movie you rent for 6 bucks (rip off!) have cool menu navigation or special features or anything like that? And seriously, the movie rental should be a pay as you go but for like 2-3 bucks so it can compete. I mean, 6 bucks? At that rate I'd rather get the 9.99 month plan Netflix and Blockbuster has and be able to rent a hellova lot more movies.


RE: Huge downloads...
By wallijonn on 1/30/2007 5:15:58 PM , Rating: 2
"But did the movie you rent for 6 bucks (rip off!) have cool menu navigation or special features or anything like that? "

Cool stuff? Like 20 minutes of trailers on a Disney Movie?


RE: Huge downloads...
By Lonyo on 1/23/2007 9:35:40 PM , Rating: 2
You can still re-encode to smaller file sizes (with a slight loss in quality and loss of features) and end up with a better video than DVD, while keeping the file size reasonable.


RE: Huge downloads...
By PrinceGaz on 1/24/2007 3:50:27 AM , Rating: 3
The last I checked, I could download 25GB from my ISP's news-server in under a day using my basic 4mbps connection, and if I upgraded to 10mbps I could get the same amount of data in under eight hours-- in other words I could set it away before going to bed and it would be finished by the time I'm awake and ready to watch it.

That's just with current broadband speeds. They're continuing to rise steadily so in a couple of years when HD-DVD and Blu-Ray burners are commonplace (assuming both formats survive), downloading 25-30GB will be as trivial as downloading an 8GB DVD movie today is.


RE: Huge downloads...
By wallijonn on 1/30/2007 5:14:00 PM , Rating: 2
And perhaps that is very reason why the American Internet seems to have been diliberately "held back," why some European nations seem to have higher transfer rates. If that is the case, then DRM must be put in place before the Internet can have the ability to transfer 20GB data streams.


fuck M$ and fuck the hollywood girls
By slickr on 1/24/07, Rating: 0
RE: fuck M$ and fuck the hollywood girls
By zsouthboy on 1/24/2007 10:52:50 AM , Rating: 2
How very classy.

Though I agree with your point, you're not winning anyone over with that attitude.

Everyone: use linux instead.


RE: fuck M$ and fuck the hollywood girls
By rippleyaliens on 1/24/2007 12:07:17 PM , Rating: 2
IT isnt a Microsoft thing, it is a Hollywood issue. Microsoft HAD to implement DRM, OR face (Again) more lawsuits, from countries, because of their laws.. (EU to name the BIGGIE)..
Straight up, IT is illegal to copy music, movies, etc... So there is no denial of that.
But i salute, and applaud the hackers who do what they do. I am guilty, as well as most. I personally refuse to pay $18 for a cd, for 1 stinking song. I definelty Support the right to copy DVD's, for personal protection. FOR i hate loosing $21 on a dvd, when it gets 1 scratch in it, and it is unusable.

Now cracking teh blue-ray / HD, well that was a given, as well as any encryption, for general use to come out (DVD, Music, HD, Blueray, whatever)..Now downloading it, well, in 2years, instead of 6mbs per second, we could be at 12 or 18, fairly soon. It is the rollercoaster, just have to hang on. AND i myself, have decided not to bicker, or get uptight about the new format. I just refuse to purchase. No company has me by the balls. period.
As far as Microsoft having me by the balls, well, i pay the $400 a year, and i get ALLLLLLLLL THEIR PRODUCTS, via action pack. Like hackers, i will find a way to get it all, for best price. wether free or a hughe percentage off.


By Aiyee on 1/24/2007 1:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, it seems to be the common misconception that, as you say:

"IT is illegal to copy music, movies, etc... "

No, it is not. The lawsuit that 321 Studios lost made it clear that breaking encryption is the illegal act. The ruling was silent about the implications for fair use, which does permit consumers to make copies:

http://www.eff.org/cafe/gross1.html

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/


By frobizzle on 1/24/2007 3:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
IT isnt a Microsoft thing, it is a Hollywood issue.


Wrong! The studios need Microsoft not the other way around. If Redmond told the studios to go fly a kite, the studios would back down or face losing a huge potential audience.


By stmok on 1/24/2007 5:01:03 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
by rippleyaliens on January 24, 2007 at 12:07 PM

IT isnt a Microsoft thing, it is a Hollywood issue. Microsoft HAD to implement DRM, OR face (Again) more lawsuits, from countries, because of their laws.. (EU to name the BIGGIE)..


I don't know where you heard that, but that's not correct.

This maybe hard for you to accept, but Microsoft wasn't forced into anything. They are a willing participant. Maybe the pay was better? Who knows. But a clue that they were on the Content Provider's side was when they did this...

Quickest Patch Ever
http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,71738-0.html
(Giving priority to content protection over their security issues).

Do you notice how hypocritical Bill Gates is now?

Last year (around mid-December I think it was), he talked about DRM being difficult for the end-user, making it sound like he's on your side. But in reality, his company is working with the very people that are trying to force laws and DRM down your throat.


The EU anti-trust case is a completely different thing altogether. That one was about Microsoft delibrately not releasing the necessary documentation on how to work with their solutions. (They didn't have to reveal any detailed secrets of the internals, just the necessary info on working with their solutions. Stuff like how the functions work and what to call)...As a result, EU found this as monopolistic practice.

So if no one can interact with a Windows network or box, how can there be any competition which allows consumers choice? That's the point of the EU anti-trust case. To get Microsoft into revealling such docs.

What's really sad is that, even being fined, Microsoft has NOT changed behaviour. If you read the specifications of their OpenXML or what is now called OOXML, they reference back to functions and features calling for vendor specific things. (like spacing or footnote placement from Word95 or 97)

The problem is, how can OOXML be considered an open documentation standard when it refers back to proprietary features that no one has details about except for Microsoft?

You see how Microsoft wants to retain control of a format or standard? They know, if they lose control, people will walk away from their solutions.

Over 80% of the money they make relies on control and creating the feeling of helplessness if you try to leave them. (Have a think about MS Office. Why do people still use it? Mainly because of the formats! What about Windows? Because of the specific applications they need to use! In the enthusiast's case, its highly likely to be games.)

This is why I don't like Microsoft. Not because its fun to bag them out with clueless nonsense. Its because I know what they do and the stuff they try to hide from the end-user. (usually by PR spinning).

I know people will wake up one day. But that is gonna take at least another 5 to 10 yrs. Hopefully by then, alternatives will be sufficiently mature enough for the mainstream desktop user.


Anyway, this isn't specifically about Microsoft. Its about DRM in general. Its being forced down our throats. The only people that stand in the way are computer scienists and researchers who have the knowledge and the expertise to overcome these delibrate obstacles that we call DRM.

To me, DRM is equivalent to a forced rectum examination.


By KaiserCSS on 1/24/2007 11:00:03 AM , Rating: 1
Dude... just shut up and leave already.

Go back to 4chan, where they think this crap is original and funny.


By Makaveli on 1/24/2007 12:56:20 PM , Rating: 2
spoken like a true juvenile. Do u honesly think MS would go under if no one bought VISTA. And guess what Genious alot of software will start coming out that will be vista only. What are u gonna do then. Maybe you should write your own os.

I don't agree with the DRM stuff and all the nonsense. But unless u have an Alternative that is just as good, STFU with your stupid rants. Go take a business course and understand how the world works.


Vista compatibility
By Whedonic on 1/24/2007 1:49:14 PM , Rating: 2
Because of Vista's DRM crap, will these types of hacks not work in vista?




RE: Vista compatibility
By randomname on 1/24/2007 2:28:45 PM , Rating: 2
It means that after the keys have been revoked for the current software players, new titles cannot be read in them in any operating system (their keys will not decode new content anymore, but they can decode all the titles released up to the revocation). Possible new versions of the same program on the same operating system will have new keys (+improved security), and if they are cracked, they can decode any releases until their keys are revoked. If they allow software players, they should (logically) eventually allow them only in Vista (assuming XP cannot be made safe to memory dumps and other methods used in attacks), if even in Vista.

I assume they expected the software players in XP to be eventually cracked (and their keys revoked). Otherwise there wouldn't have been much reason asking for more security in Vista.


RE: Vista compatibility
By randomname on 1/24/2007 4:47:20 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I should clarify: If a title has been cracked, and the DRM removed, it will play anywhere. But in order to crack it, you need (without cracking AACS itself) the key from a player, or the unencrypted title (and/or volume ?) key. This current crack is just to get the unencrypted title / volume key from a certain software player after memory dump. This exact same method would not work after the key for that player has been revoked so that it cannot decrypt the title keys. The coding of the title keys in new releases makes it impossible to open them with the revoked keys.

However, a similar method for getting the title keys might work in a new version of that software, if the security of the software player isn't significantly improved. Also knowing the title keys for certain titles (as is now known) makes it easier to search for them in the memory. A program might always use the same memory position for the unencrypted title keys.


...
By shabby on 1/23/2007 8:55:58 PM , Rating: 2
Now where are those cheap burners? :)




RE: ...
By michal1980 on 1/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: ...
By PrinceGaz on 1/24/2007 3:41:00 AM , Rating: 2
The ICT is irrelevant because the protection has been broken and can be completely removed. As far as playback from a PC is concerned, HDCP is history as we now have access to the unencrypted video and audio data and can do with it what we wish: burning, transcoding, whatever.

This news that HDCP has been broken (as I always suspected it would be, though not quite so soon) makes me feel good about ignoring HDCP support when I bought a new 20" LCD monitor last month. Why pay extra for something I would never need, especially when HDCP supporting monitors currently carry quite a price premium over equivalent or better non-HDCP monitors?

Of course all new monitors (except perhaps the cheapest) and graphics-cards will include the HDCP keys soon anyway because the average user will want to be able to just stick a disc in their computer and watch an HD movie with the included player-software, and wouldn't know about sites like Doom9.net let alone use the software they mention.


RE: ...
By michal1980 on 1/24/2007 7:01:48 AM , Rating: 1
My point was more towards the future. Until movies come with ICT attacks like this will be easier, after ICT you'll need a hdcp card, hdcp cetrified software, and a hdcp monitor... all of which will make the hack harder.

and a bigger problem is still copying the movies to disks so that the chinese can sell them on the black market...
thus blu-ray will still take time to crack to get to the disk market... but like hd-dvd will make it to the internet faster.


As for re-encoding hi-def content... Honestly whats the point? don't people want quality? if you are going to recompress the moive, just get the dvd.

at least with a dvd you can take the mpg2 and move to a more efficent codec. and while alot of blu-rays are still mpg2... hd-dvd is vc1,(ie mpg4) and more blu-rays are going that way... So the only way to make the files smaller is to throw out ALOT of information.

Its like reading a book, first to make it smaller you through out some words and replace with a single number placeholder. Then you take that compressed book, and just through random words out...

Why do people want crappy hi-def? Just stick with sd video then and don't ruin hi-def for everyone else


RE: ...
By michal1980 on 1/24/07, Rating: -1
Woohoo
By edge929 on 1/24/2007 11:41:49 AM , Rating: 3
God bless these men. May their kind never die.




Another Barrier Removed
By AggressorPrime on 1/24/2007 4:15:43 PM , Rating: 3
These guys really know how to keep the DRM industry running. At least now the guys at DRM can start working on an even more secure disc.




lol.
By scrapsma54 on 1/24/2007 9:45:43 PM , Rating: 3
The only reason I see for doing this is to playback a full HD movie without HDCP. I think Downloading a 25gb file places a huge tax on Storage space and time so the only point of this crack would be to buy a Movie and play it in Hd.




By rushfan2006 on 1/25/2007 9:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
It's hilarious to me how bent out of shape people continually get over DRM issues.

Its really really simple....vote with your wallet...a company offers something you disagree with boycott that product/service..its as simple as that.

Also, I find it just interesting how much debate, how many tempers raise how much blood pressure goes up about people basically talking about how do I "get around this or crack this or pirate that".

It is what it is. But a DVD for $21 you own it forever and watch it on your computer or your DVD player, etc. If you have more needs for watching movies -- I don't see how that is the industry's problem that you desire to watch a movie or listen to music on your portable player while you are taking a dump.

It's just movies and music folks - we are crusading to save the earth of the sun exploding or something like that.





Time to lock up some more pirates
By cornfedone on 1/24/07, Rating: -1
"The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak." -- Robert Heinlein

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