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12.6 percent of all Hitman disc sales were on Blu-ray
Blu-ray Disc "No Country for Old Men" dents DVD sales

As much as technophiles and home theatre addicts preach the wonders of high-definition movies on the latest LCD and plasma displays, nearly the entire mass market is still squarely focused on standard DVD movies. That, however, could begin changing this year.

According to Home Media Magazine, sales of Blu-ray Disc have finally begun to carve out a noticeable groove from DVD sales. Nielsen Videoscan numbers say that 9.8 percent of No Country for Old Men home video sales were from Blu-ray Disc, and an even more impressive 12.6 percent of Hitman sales were on the high-definition format. Transformers, currently available in high-definition only on HD DVD, sold 4 percent in the high-end format.

The two recent Blu-ray Disc releases fared considerably better than even the top movies of 2007, which saw 2 or 3 percent share on the format. For example, on Blu-ray Disc the Simpsons Movie captured just 2.8 percent, and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End accounted for 3.7 percent of total sales.

Analysts resort point to the end of the high-definition format war as the root of the increase in consumer confidence. “Before, there was a tendency to play it safe and stick with the standard DVD,” said Tom Adams, of Adams Media Research, to Home Media Magazine. “But now there’s no longer anything to worry about.”

Also key in the recent growth of Blu-ray Disc is the simultaneous rise of the PlayStation 3 – the market’s best-selling high-definition movie player. Console sales for the first two months of 2008 show Sony’s latest console outpacing the Xbox 360.

“The promotion to PlayStation 3 homes hasn’t really kicked in yet,” added Adams. “And assuming that works, when you’re talking 5 million homes, getting them to buy just one more movie a year can make a significant difference in a small market like this.”



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HD looking up
By rdeegvainl on 3/31/2008 9:38:49 AM , Rating: 4
I think we will see a real boost in Blu Ray sales. The declaration of Blu ray being the winner in the media, combined with the tax rebates could really stimulate this. People who could before, not afford HD might have a real shot of being able to now, and probably alot of people who can't will still use the tax returns as an excuse to convince themselves they can afford it.




RE: HD looking up
By mdogs444 on 3/31/2008 9:44:12 AM , Rating: 1
Blue Ray will increase at the same rate as prices decline on standalone players - as long as the prices of the movies are comprable to standard DVD's.

Also, i cannot see anyone using their tax rebate to buy a blue ray player - at least not anyone with any common sense. Purchase something what falls under the category of "needs" or put into an interest bearing account.


RE: HD looking up
By rdeegvainl on 3/31/2008 9:48:32 AM , Rating: 3
You act like the general populace isn't generic trend following sheep. Look at the success of all the untalented people, everyone just jumping on every bandwagon they see without researching first.

If they general populace used real sense in making decision I could agree with you, but the vast majority of the people I know are not fiscally responsible and will use the tax returns on frivolous things they can barely afford or can't afford.

I see this being done by enough people to make Blu ray sales take off a pretty decent amount.


RE: HD looking up
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/31/2008 9:50:03 AM , Rating: 3
I would like to see the total sales numbers. Percentages don't mean anything.

I'm betting total sales numbers are relatively unimpressive on the BR side and that on the DVD side it's wildly unpopular.


RE: HD looking up
By stargazr on 3/31/2008 12:03:44 PM , Rating: 1
Still sourgraping?

LOL


RE: HD looking up
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/31/2008 1:26:46 PM , Rating: 3
No. If the "total" number of BR disks was really high I would bet dollars to donuts that there would be a huge announcement of another "best selling BR title ever" and the approximate number of copies sold. Since I don't see this, I have to assume that previous BR movies have out sold it and this is just a way of twisting facts using percentages.

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.


RE: HD looking up
By therealnickdanger on 3/31/2008 2:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
"No Country for Old Men" BD sales: 68,000 in first week (3/11-3/16)

68,000 (BD copies) / 9.8% (BD percentage) = 693,878 total DVD+BD copies sold.

"No Country" is certainly no mega-seller blockbuster (although it is pretty awesome), but that even makes a ~10% share more impressive in my mind. It's not a family movie or a mind-blowing spectacle, not a movie you would expect to be a good high-def seller.

While not as well acted or written, I expect the PG-13 "I am Legend" to have a MUCH higher percentage of sales. It's really the first mass-market-drivel spectacle to hit post-HD-DVD-demise. Hmm... however, that means it will probably sell even more DVD copies, so the percentage will probably be lower... BUT the BD sales will likely be higher.

I should be a market analyst. LOL


RE: HD looking up
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/31/2008 4:09:44 PM , Rating: 3
Not even a million sold combined. In hollywood terms we call this "sucking".


RE: HD looking up
By dluther on 4/1/2008 1:23:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Not even a million sold combined. In hollywood terms we call this "sucking"


Ehh -- sort of. The thing of it is, "Hitman" sucked as a movie. So saying that DVD and Blu-Ray sales sucked isn't addressing the fact that the movie sucked to begin with, and DVD sales won't overcome that obvious handicap.

According to 'Boxofficemojo.com', "Hitman" only did $98,143,991 in worldwide ticket sales, which is decidedly anemic -- which when combined with an undisclosed production budget, we can pretty much deduce that "Hitman" was a box-office loser.

That people want to see their suckage in high definition shouldn't come as a surprise.


RE: HD looking up
By sweetsauce on 3/31/2008 12:46:38 PM , Rating: 2
You beat me to it. 9.8% of total sales for that movie is probably 0.001% of total sales of pirates on DVD. I love percentages, it helps you spin anything you want.


RE: HD looking up
By mmntech on 3/31/2008 1:26:00 PM , Rating: 2
Hitman was a terrible movie, like 99% of all game based movies. I'd like to see numbers too. I've had my PS3 for six months now and I've only bought one BD movie. At $30 per movie and lacking a 60'' 1080p screen to get the full effect, it's pretty pointless. I'm going to have to get a proper HDTV one of these days instead of using my 19'' computer monitor.


RE: HD looking up
By therealnickdanger on 3/31/2008 2:45:41 PM , Rating: 2
Hitman was not "terrible" IMO. I rented it from Redbox expecting it to suck, so I had low expectations, but me and my buds were very surprised by it - it was pretty good! The lead actor (Olyphant?) is probably the weakest link - I didn't like him in Transformers or Die Hard 4 either. Obviously, 47 isn't supposed to be charismatic, so I guess Olyphant lives up to the character...


RE: HD looking up
By NullSubroutine on 4/1/2008 1:59:52 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0241049/

this was the gentleman in transformers, not Olyphant. A guy who looks a cross between Ryan Secrest and Olyphant maybe, but not him.


RE: HD looking up
By BansheeX on 4/1/2008 1:03:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would like to see the total sales numbers. Percentages don't mean anything.


This just proves to me yet again how manipulative and grasping you are on these forums. If total DVD sales are doing great by your subjective measure, why then would increased blu-ray sales relative to that performance not automatically infer that it is doing better? Does that not connote that sales once going to DVD are slowly shifting to blu-ray? Why do you think it makes more sense for blu-ray to tout sales against its own past performance? That's a retarded way of marketing the same thing, especially when the product you're pushing is a replacement for previous one.

This isn't rocket science. By definition, a new format can only take sales away from an old one. Nobody is buying both the DVD and blu-ray versions of a film. They are choosing one or the other, and they are increasingly going to choose blu-ray. I'm sorry you think this is an outlandish conspiracy on blu-ray's part. If you want real marketing bologne, look no further than the HD-DVD format you supported all these years. Toshiba included the dual purpose PS3 into the attach-rate comparisons, then left it out of player sales comparisons in order to get the most favorable statistics for both.


RE: HD looking up
By Alexstarfire on 4/1/2008 3:32:55 AM , Rating: 3
This is exactly why the average Joe gets fooled by statistics all too often. They simply don't understand. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but you should read a couple of the posts above. They shed some light on the subject.

I am having a hard time understanding your first question. It seems to me you are trying to draw a connection between actual sales numbers and percentages. They both have there strong points, but you can't really compare them apples to apples. Percentages hide the total volume they represent. It doesn't really matter if 90% of the people bought Eurotrip on Blu-Ray if they only sold 10 copies of the movie all together. A movie like Hitman that only has a 12.8% Blu-Ray sales still beats it in total numbers because they sold 600,000 copies all together. That's just one example of course.

A higher percentage than previous movies could possible indicate that sales are shifting from one format to another, or it could just indicate that the people that once bought DVDs are no longer buying movies all together. In that case, Blu-Ray isn't gaining support, DVD is just losing it.

Again, the whole reason for using percentages is to hide total sales figures. A bigger percentage looks better than showing total sales numbers. I mean, would you rather compare 3.7% to 12.8% or 370000:1000000 to 128:1000? I'm sure you'd choose the percentage too.

Let's be honest here, marketing is all about deceit. Very few, if any, companies tell you the whole truth. They are almost always hiding something from you. I don't think anybody here would say that HD-DVD had more players out there than Blu-Ray. Obviously you can't count all PS3s as players as not everyone uses it as such, but you can't completely exclude it either. Even if only 50% of the PS3s were used as players, that's still loads more than HD-DVD. Of course, I'm not saying that Blu-Ray should have won, but it's really no surprise that it did.

BTW, I don't own either format and likely won't for several years. I'm simply too broke to be able to afford an HD player, let alone an HDTV to play it on.


RE: HD looking up
By BMFPitt on 3/31/2008 10:30:17 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Also, i cannot see anyone using their tax rebate to buy a blue ray player - at least not anyone with any common sense.
What percentage of the population do you think has common sense? I have a hard time believing double digits.


RE: HD looking up
By MaulBall789 on 3/31/2008 1:40:57 PM , Rating: 4
Classic George Carlin quote:

"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize that half of the population is dumber than that guy."


RE: HD looking up
By Mitch101 on 3/31/2008 10:31:30 AM , Rating: 2
I got a Direct TV HD-PVR for FREE with 1 year FREE HD service when the format war was at its peak and haven't had any desire since to buy a BLU-RAY even though the war is over.

The $300.00 price tag is still too high and we just discovered that you can download movies through the web to the Direct TV PVR Device.

We recently got hooked on Dexter and CBS has really been messing up the start time of the show but I just go into the one feature and say download it and 30-45 mins later there is an episode and nicely done its the Showtime episodes which aren't edited like the CBS versions. While its not HD. Its an awesome feature to just download episodes to the DVR. So you can record 2 HD programs Watch one already recorded while downloading a Show to the DVR. Sweet.

Not sure how far away HD downloads to the device (Might be there already) but with features like this and it being a HD-DVR to begin with I think the days of me buying a DVD or even HD movie are probably over. I can live without owning a HD copy of transformers after all you know it will be on HBO or Showtime 600 times a month soon enough. 5.1 surround sound is good enough for me I don't need raw audio streams to be happy since my audio system was $1300.00 and sound incredible to begin with.


RE: HD looking up
By omnicronx on 3/31/2008 12:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with some of what you say, but I can just not get myself to pay for an HD box and channels, when the only channels that I can not get for free over OTA HD are ESPN and the sports packages, and HBO/TMN if you wish.

I was paying over $120 a month for me channels HBO, and HD packges. Thats just not worth it to me. Buying and renting BD's while getting free OTA HD has been much much cheaper for me, thats for sure..

Anyone who lives in the larger US cities can receive multiple channels depending on where you live. Just stick a 100$ DB-8 antenna on your chimney and you are ready to go ;)


RE: HD looking up
By Mitch101 on 3/31/2008 1:09:00 PM , Rating: 2
Dont pay for it just tell Direct TV your getting rid of them. I was about to switch to dish then Direct TV offered me an HD-DVR for free with a years free HD service. Since it wasnt going to cost me anything for a year I took it.

I have and still use an HD OTA but the DVR functionality is just so easy with the DTV-PVR Receiver. I cant stand to watch TV in real time any more. Just when you get into the show you have to watch a commercial about female monthly cycles.

Until there is a chinese HD-OTA receiver with DVR functions I'm going with DTV. When the free HD service year runs out I wonder if it will cost $10.00 a month extra or be forced to something less.

OTA's dont get Discovery Channels, History Channels, Movie Channels, NFL packages, MLB Packages, Sci-Fi Channel, basically everything that is beyond channel 13. I watch more discovery and sci-fi channel than most other channels and its nice to have it in HD. Nothing bad about OTA HD but this isnt costing me anything and since I got it I havent turned my OTA HD receiver on - E-Bay here it comes.


RE: HD looking up
By meepstone on 3/31/2008 2:19:45 PM , Rating: 2
Why not? It's not like everyone in the country is strapped for money and is barely making by. Wouldn't be a bad idea.


RE: HD looking up
By phattyboombatty on 3/31/2008 6:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
I will most definitely be doing my part to help the economy by blowing my rebate check on consumer electronics. I don't plan on getting a Blu-Ray player (yet), but I have my eye on a HD camcorder I've been wanting for a while.


RE: HD looking up
By whickywhickyjim on 3/31/2008 11:46:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think we will see a real boost in Blu Ray sales. The declaration of Blu ray being the winner in the media, combined with the tax rebates could really stimulate this. People who could before, not afford HD might have a real shot of being able to now, and probably alot of people who can't will still use the tax returns as an excuse to convince themselves they can afford it.

The oncoming recession and sharp decline in consumer confidence make your assertions extremely doubtful. Most people prefer to eat rather than watch overpriced, high resolution movies.


RE: HD looking up
By omnicronx on 3/31/2008 12:10:25 PM , Rating: 2
I would tend to agree, if credit card companies didnt give out cards like candy. Recession or not, many people are impulsive buyers, and when they see something they want, they get it. In this day and age, with everyone having one, two, or more credit cards, people are willing to go into a little dept for a little fun ;)

*looks at CC bill*.. heck thats how I got my TV ;)


RE: HD looking up
By rdeegvainl on 3/31/2008 2:28:22 PM , Rating: 2
A quick google search gave me the general idea the the average american credit card debt is over 8k. That means people spent over 8k they didn't have. People have been declaring recession for years, as far back as I can remember. Decline in consumer confidence can also be negated by the confidence that Blu Ray beat HD-DVD as all the major media tells us.


I rented No Country....
By Chaser on 3/31/2008 9:44:32 AM , Rating: 3
The movie started out great but the ending was retarded.

All the cards are in place now for the PS3 to ride the wave of growing Blue Ray popularity. And vice versa. In my opinion Blue Ray market share will grow much faster than the migration from VHS tape to DVD.

As PS3 sales continue to grow game developers and publishers will not be able to ignore the global market share of the PS3 in regards to their practical business decisions.

2008 is going to be a big year for the PS3.

Chase




RE: I rented No Country....
By kelmon on 3/31/2008 10:04:23 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
In my opinion Blue Ray market share will grow much faster than the migration from VHS tape to DVD


What makes you think that? DVD was an easy sell because VHS tapes had poor image quality relative to broadcast TV, they took up a lot of space, wore out easily, weren't really portable, and you had to rewind the things. Blu-ray offers better image quality than DVD but aside from that nothing has changed and I don't think that there is really that much demand for an increase in image quality until HD is normal for viewing.

Seriously, what's compelling about Blu-ray?

Blu-ray could replace DVD (I'm betting on downloads, personally) but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that it will happen faster than DVD replaced VHS.


RE: I rented No Country....
By masher2 (blog) on 3/31/2008 11:14:22 AM , Rating: 2
> "DVD was an easy sell because VHS tapes had poor image quality relative to broadcast TV, they took up a lot of space, wore out easily, weren't really portable, and you had to rewind the things"

I remember a few comsumer surveys which indicated the lack of a rewind requirement was the primary reason most consumers switched to DVD. Image quality enhancements generally ran third or fourth place.


RE: I rented No Country....
By kelmon on 3/31/2008 11:35:11 AM , Rating: 2
I mostly went with them because of the size and that they didn't wear out through normal play but being able to skip around to your favourite bit was definitely a draw. Mind you, given the state that some DVDs from the rental shop have arrived in where it looks like someone took a pair of compasses to the disk and then wiped their bottom with it, perhaps they weren't as durable as I'd hoped.


RE: I rented No Country....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/31/2008 4:27:13 PM , Rating: 2
I was sold on the no rewind myself. Gone are the days of wastimg time rewinding.


RE: I rented No Country....
By Ajax9000 on 3/31/2008 9:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
WHAT!?

You mean I blew my $ buying a DVD rewinder?

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/top...


RE: I rented No Country....
By Farfignewton on 3/31/2008 9:49:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You mean I blew my $ buying a DVD rewinder?


You know, that's the perfect gift for someone who calls you after 10 p.m. because they can't be bothered to google fat32 vs ntfs .

I may buy three.


RE: I rented No Country....
By Alexstarfire on 4/1/2008 3:44:31 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, most VHS rewinders were horrible, but the last VHS player we bought, which has to be well over 10 years old now, did it very fast. I'd say in less than 30 seconds, but I'm sure as hell not going to time it now. Hell, I don't even know if the player still works, we just route our cables through it since TVs never have enough input components. Then all the stuff we hook into it only has "out" components and not "in" ones. Lame.

To be honest, everything about DVD was better than VHS, cept maybe the price at the time. Better IQ, better sound, no rewinding, cool features, reliability, durability. DVD had it all.


RE: I rented No Country....
By Chaser on 3/31/2008 1:17:04 PM , Rating: 2
The article claims sales are up. Despite the technological advantages of DVD over VHS, DVD to BD is less of paradigm shift in terms of the physical media change. Disk to disk.


RE: I rented No Country....
By Chaser on 3/31/2008 1:24:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'll take that snowball. I guess we'll find out in a few years. Again I can remember all the experts on here predicting BD doom and gloom due to HD DVD. Today it's downloadable. Regardless of all the expertise here Sony clearly made correct marketing and design decisions and the article supports that.


RE: I rented No Country....
By kelmon on 4/1/2008 7:48:44 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, now that's different. As an HD medium Blu-ray is basically unchallenged at the moment so it's bound to sell well to those interested in HD media. But it is different to say that something is selling well compared to saying that it will sell faster than its predecessor. There is very little chance of this happening with Blu-ray but that's not to say that it won't sell well. As noted previously, DVD was superior to VHS in many aspects whereas Blu-ray is basically DVD but with HD quality, which isn't as compelling.

Put it this way, I bought DVD as soon as possible because it was clearly better than VHS but I'm sitting on the fence about Blu-ray because it doesn't offer much more and is pretty expensive.


RE: I rented No Country....
By Noya on 3/31/08, Rating: 0
RE: I rented No Country....
By omnicronx on 3/31/2008 11:54:42 AM , Rating: 2
Who cares? If you have a receiver that supports next gen codecs, you probably paid a pretty penny for it. Theres no reason to believe on high end hardware like this that bitstream could sound any better than Multi-Channel LPCM. And if it does sound better, then you may need to rethink your researching techniques when buying a new receiver. As soon as the PS3 supports DTS-MA, I will be happy.

So why not save some money, buy a cheaper receiver, and a cheaper BD player for essentially the exact same quality.

If you happen to be rich, then go for it, I don't care, but it should not be used an excuse for not buying BD.


RE: I rented No Country....
By Alexstarfire on 4/1/2008 3:46:10 AM , Rating: 2
By that logic you should have bought an HD-DVD player. Cheaper with the same quality. Heck, even some better features.


HDTV Prices
By Kromis on 3/31/2008 9:38:45 AM , Rating: 2
Lower the prices of HDTVs and you'll get yourself another customer




RE: HDTV Prices
By TheDiceman on 3/31/2008 9:42:27 AM , Rating: 2
More specifically, the price of 1080 res tv's needs to drop. A lot of the LCDs out there are only 720p (still considered HD) and at that resolution you cannot really take advantage of the BluRay format.


RE: HDTV Prices
By mdogs444 on 3/31/2008 9:48:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A lot of the LCDs out there are only 720p (still considered HD) and at that resolution you cannot really take advantage of the BluRay format.


720p/1080i sets are just fine, but granted 1080p looks better but ONLY with a 1080p source....like you said in a Blue Ray player.

However, the average person cannot tell the difference between the two when sitting at the correct viewing distance...or others find the difference negligable. With that said, its not the price of a 1080p TV set that is keeping people from purchasing the player. Its the prices of the standalone players and price premiums of the movies that are keeping the numbers from rising at a faster rate.


RE: HDTV Prices
By Mitch101 on 3/31/2008 10:40:33 AM , Rating: 2
Yea I got to agree with TheDiceman's point. LCD panels need to start dropping in price especially in the 32" and above range. 1080P seems like its becoming common now so the prices need to start coming down.

I think less than a handful of companies actually make the panels and 1080P is becoming standard meaning less production lines for previous generation panels.

I want to add a LCD panel to the bedroom but until they make a $500.00 42" LCD its not going to happen.


RE: HDTV Prices
By theapparition on 3/31/2008 12:26:35 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I want to add a LCD panel to the bedroom but until they make a $500.00 42" LCD its not going to happen.

Do you realize what your asking?

You want a 42" TV (forget HD, LCD, Plasma, Flat panel, etc) for under $500. Only a few years ago, you couldn't have ANY 42" TV for anything close to that price. 40" CRT's were impractical, 40" RPTV's cost over $1500, etc.

My, my........how times have changed for the better!


RE: HDTV Prices
By Mitch101 on 3/31/2008 1:18:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yup that was years ago times have changed.

They should be much cheaper. Tubes are big and bulky and require some degree of minor calibration before they can be sold. With LCD's there is less calibration, smaller, lighter saving a ton on shipping which is probably the bulk of the cost, and I think I read somewhere that LCD's are manufactured in rolls. If not OLED and SED can supposedly be made using an INK jet like process. Inkjet screen have to cost much less than tubes especially in cost of materials.

Basically manufacturing and shipping costs should be a lot cheaper with LCD over Tube. I'm betting 3-4 LCD panels are probably cheaper to ship than their tube counter parts and might take event less space too.

I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about how LCD manufacturing companies are sued for price fixing if the prices don't drop.


RE: HDTV Prices
By FITCamaro on 3/31/2008 11:05:22 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah its more the $400 (PS3) minimum cost of the player.

Hence why I liked HD-DVD more. Gave me the same picture with a player that was affordable.

Granted, I'll probably own a PS3 before the end of the year. But it won't be to watch Blu-ray. That will be a side effect.


RE: HDTV Prices
By Chaser on 3/31/2008 1:35:27 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. Exactly how most consumers viewed their PS3 purchase.


RE: HDTV Prices
By omnicronx on 3/31/2008 11:26:19 AM , Rating: 2
Planet Earth looks damn amazing on my dads 42 inch LG 720p set. Couldnt imagine what it would look like in 1080p.. I think your comment is pretty off base though. Sure, you and I am waiting for a 1080p set, be we are probably the minority. I actually convinced my dad to buy a 720p set because he couldnt tell the difference between the two. Unless you are going to be spending a few thousand dollars on a 1080p set, its just not a neccessity for BD for most people.

So go ahead don't be afraid, the processing in most mid to high level 720p sets are better than low to mid 1080p sets anyways. And for those watching analog TV, a 1080p set will probably look worse, as the tv is forced to do extra scaling, resulting in the pixels being more stretched than on a 720p set.


RE: HDTV Prices
By kellehair on 3/31/2008 1:26:33 PM , Rating: 2
There are a lot of affordable 1080p sets on the market right now. I just picked up a 42" Panny 1080p plasma from Costco for $1099 last week.


RE: HDTV Prices
By FITCamaro on 3/31/2008 2:52:17 PM , Rating: 2
Sure its affordable. That doesn't mean its good.

I'm quite happy with my 720p television. In 5-6 years (maybe more), I'll upgrade to a bigger, better set and put this one in a game room (since by then I'll be in a house).


action movies sell on BD
By omnicronx on 3/31/2008 11:19:39 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
For example, on Blu-ray Disc the Simpsons Movie captured just 2.8 percent
I would personally pimpslap someone if i saw them buying a cartoon on BD.. but thats just me.. BD is not going to catch on nearly as fast as slow moving, or cartoon titles.




RE: action movies sell on BD
By aos007 on 3/31/2008 4:42:28 PM , Rating: 2
Then you should take a look at some japanese anime in HD and say that again... In fact since there are a lot of static backgrounds, one could argue the benefit of HD would be more obvious on animated content (provided it was produced with a decent budget, which most of japanese shows aren't).


RE: action movies sell on BD
By Alexstarfire on 4/1/2008 3:56:32 AM , Rating: 2
He specifically said cartoons, hopefully on purpose, not animated shows in general. The Simpsons surely doesn't need to be in HD. You aren't going to make a completely white shirt look any better in HD. Of course, not all animated shows are draw like the Simpsons; most "cartoons" are, however. Anime, on the other hand, usually has plenty of details, though not nearly as many as "real life" movies, but much more than regular cartoons and can benefit from HD resolutions. I can't say that about anime for certain though.


By WhiteElephant on 4/1/2008 6:47:51 AM , Rating: 2
I bought the Simpsons movie on Blu-ray and have to say that it is one of the best demonstrations of HD! Lines look sharp and blocks of colour aren't pixelated (an area that I typically find that DVD players struggle with). On my 50" 720p rear projection the image quality is outstanding and the colour etc are what HD is made for. I find that CG and "cartoons" are amongst the best sources for demonstrating the benefits of HD. :)

On that note, can't wait for the Studio Ghibli movies to start coming to BD, Spirited Away in HD would be a fantastic experience.


Yam needed that check
By bill3 on 3/31/2008 10:11:32 AM , Rating: 1
LOL.

Notice Dailytech never posts anything about digital video downloads...




RE: Yam needed that check
By Mitch101 on 3/31/2008 10:56:43 AM , Rating: 2
I think thats because none of the devices have really taken off or anyone has fully implemented the option yet. Even my Direct TV's download show option says beta.

A few post above I just started using the Direct TV's HD-PVR download option. I should have added all the downloads appear to be free of charge on the device. The Dexter's I am downloading I assume are free because I subscribe to Showtime or the downloads are free to promote interest in the shows. Not sure but its great. I only started using it this weekend but by the time Showtime starts the new season of Dexter we will be ready for it.

This feature really kicks butt. For the Dexter instance I think season 3 is starting soon on Showtime. After hearing about how people love the show so much we tried an episode from CBS and liked it a lot. Now to catch up to the series on Showtime we have it download the episodes to the DVR and catch up to the series before it starts or can have it record the series until we catch up. This rocks. As you can tell from several of my posts I am pretty excited about this being built into an existing device I own as apposed to having an entirely separate device and possibly a pay service.


RE: Yam needed that check
By masher2 (blog) on 3/31/2008 2:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
> "Notice Dailytech never posts anything about digital video downloads... "

You mean stories like this?

http://www.dailytech.com/NBCUniversal+Fox+Debut+On...


Gaining Confidence?
By karielash on 3/31/2008 2:09:23 PM , Rating: 2
Transformers only sold 2% of it's in High def - Est 180K to 190K, total DVD's sold = ~13 Million (why they chose to compare with an HD-DVD picture, particularly one as popular as Transformers turned out to be is amusing).

No country for old men sold 680K overall (all formats) including ~68K on Blu Ray making it not even the top seller in the format. So much for this sudden explosive burst of confidence driving 'no Country for old men' (a particularly crap movie in my opinion) to achieve approx one third of the sales of a top selling high def format title.

Both Hitman and no Country sold a high percentage for a reason, High def movie lovers are trying to justify their purchase and will buy anything they can get their hands on, everyone else realised both movies sucked and skipped them, and went for something worth watching.

Figures do not lie but unfortunately liars figure.




RE: Gaining Confidence?
By cubby1223 on 3/31/2008 9:31:30 PM , Rating: 1
That's right, the only people who ever bought Blu-ray were adolescent males who realized their dream PS3 has no games, and the only way to justify the expense is to buy Blu-ray movies.

Anyone who actually cared about movies bought HD DVD.

This is what was so fun supporting Blu-ray around the forums, all I ever had to do was say "look at the raw numbers", while the other side always has to conjure up some tale to explain what the numbers _really_ meant. =)


RE: Gaining Confidence?
By BansheeX on 4/1/2008 12:32:41 AM , Rating: 2
Nobody in their right mind believed that blu-ray would do any better than it did in its first years against DVD. Transitions to new formats have never happened the way you're saying. DVD itself did not outsell VHS in its first years. It was a slow, gradual acceptance of a better format as people began to adopt technology allowing them to see the difference.


Heh
By Elementalism on 3/31/2008 9:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
68,000 units for a first week release is worth mentioning?

DVD sold 1.7 billion discs in the US market in 07. Long ways to go before BD represents anything remotely worth talking about in the overall market.




RE: Heh
By WhiteElephant on 4/1/2008 6:57:15 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that these are small numbers, but as someone who enjoys HD movies, it is encouraging to see. Increased sales will inevitably lead to reduced prices and so the cycle continues.

I think at the moment, to the man in the street the price is too high. But you only have to remember that when DVD launched it was a similar story, I have a review of one of the first DVD players to arrive in the UK, it was over £600 and couldn't even scan through chapters!

I think that if Sony et al want to pick up sales they need to really educate the general public. There are a large number of people (certainly here in the UK, where flat panel HD tv's continue to be the "must have accessory" for the home), who don't own a single HD source. To me that is just a little silly as the old CRT you replaced will inevitably look much better with SD than your fancy new LCD!
Sell the benefits to these people and continue to lower the prices and sales will continue to pick up.

Meaning more choice and cheaper movies for us enthusiasts. :)


By dflynchimp on 3/31/2008 10:05:30 AM , Rating: 2
The thing companies never tell us when pushing their products, especially in a format war, is that it's a viable option to opt out of picking a side early and potentially losing. So much easier on the wallet (and chances) when you're already a poor college student and don't got the pocket change for a HD player in the first place




Rentals
By Oroka on 3/31/2008 4:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
You have to take movie rental places into account more now. All my local video stores wouldnt touch BR-DVD or HD-DVD, but now that BR-DVD won, the shops are getting atleast 1 copy of every new release. That has to make a dent in new releases.




Baaaad April Fools joke
By Shadowmaster625 on 4/1/2008 10:28:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's like... 2008! Hello? Blu-ray has done nothing but strangle the hi-def disc market, and will continue to do so for years to come. How long have we been able to watch HD movies on cable and satellite? Yeah, that's how long Sony has strangled the market. At a cost of billions of dollars.




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