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Casino Royale is the top selling high-definition movie for March
Casino Royale and The Departed continue on HD movie tear

As part of what appears to be a continuing trend since the beginning of 2007, sales of Blu-ray Disc titles have once again been ahead of those of HD DVD for the month of March. Sony Pictures’ Casino Royale held on to the top spot again for the month, selling more than 59,000 units. In contrast, the top selling HD DVD was this year’s best picture winner, The Departed, with 16,000 units sold.

“We think retailers will start to dedicate more space to Blu-ray, rather than split it half and half,” Sony worldwide president David Bishop said to Video Business. “That will further send a signal to consumers that it is the dominant format.”

One of the reasons cited again for HD DVD’s lag in sales is due to the format’s lack of exclusive, blockbuster titles thus far. The HD DVD-only Children of Men released late March is expected to help bolster its format’s numbers, though the movie was released with several compatibility issues.

Universal remains undying in its support for HD DVD, though the studio’s VP marketing Ken Graffeo said that Blu-ray is likely to continue its sales lead until the fourth quarter, when HD DVD see the holiday releases of summer blockbusters. “Fourth quarter is really going to be a telling time,” he said.

Price could continue to be a deciding factor in swaying consumers towards HD DVD. The Toshiba HD-A2 retails for $399 and is currently cheaper than any Blu-ray player on the market. HD DVD will continue to hold the price advantage even after Sony releases its $599 BDP-S300 this summer.

Furthermore, sub-$300 players from Wal-Mart may be a big factor in penetrating the mainstream market, although it is still unclear which format the upcoming machines will support. “It comes down to bringing it to the general audience at a price that they’re willing to pay,” Graffeo said, underscoring the importance of the mass market.

The Blu-ray Association announced earlier this week that it had reached a one million units sold milestone in less than a year, while the HD DVD Group was proud to announce that it has sold over 100,000 standalone players in its first year of inception.



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Could just be me, but...
By redbone75 on 4/25/2007 11:47:19 AM , Rating: 5
Maybe the sales figures for Casino Royale vs. The Departed have more to do with the movies themselves, not which format is more dominant. It simply shows that more people like action movies than do police suspense movies, that and the Bond franchise is, well, the Bond franchise. It's going to pretty much sell itself. You will only get a true sense of which format people prefer if the same movie were released in both formats.




RE: Could just be me, but...
By AmpedSilence on 4/25/2007 12:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
If i'm not mistaken 'The Departed' was released in both formats. The Blu-Ray version was number two and the HD version was number three.

I believe that is the comparison that you are looking for?


RE: Could just be me, but...
By ATC on 4/25/2007 2:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
Correct. The Departed is available on both BD and HD, also in Canada at least, the BD version of the departed is $5 cheaper than the HD version.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By daftrok on 4/26/2007 2:00:48 PM , Rating: 2
HA! "HD DVD is cheaper to make than Blu-ray!" Then why does it cost more?!


RE: Could just be me, but...
By PitViper007 on 4/25/2007 12:07:52 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, aren't both of these movies being sold on DVD as well? You could look at the sales of the DVD versions of these movies as a way to get more acurate readings of how well the BD / HD-DVD disks are doing.

PitViper


RE: Could just be me, but...
By Oregonian2 on 4/25/2007 1:54:37 PM , Rating: 3
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The film hit the shops on Monday March 19th and managed to sell a breathtaking 1,622,852 units in its first week of release, making it the most successful selling DVD for first week sales, in the UK, ever.


That's from: http://tinyurl.com/2sjbtj

More than a million regular DVD's sold. In one week. And just in the U.K..

Makes that presumably world-wide Blu-Ray number basically "nothing".

Some web articles have titles suggesting that the Blu-Ray sales of that movie has such good numbers that maybe it's the death of HD format. If that reasoning holds, then regular DVD's have already killed, boxed, and buried Blu-Ray (and services were already held).

Actually, there's a bit of truth in that. Regular DVD's when upscaled can look pretty good on an HDTV. And many regular DVDs are made one-layer which makes one wonder why having even more dataspace go unused (in either HD or Blu-ray) would help.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By BZDTemp on 4/25/2007 4:03:16 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Makes that presumably world-wide Blu-Ray number basically "nothing".


Of course. It's gonna be a while before DVD is close to being passed what did you expect?

And you can't really compare DVD sales and use that to claim they killed Blue Ray. By that logic VHS killed DVD many times over yet today almost no one buy VHS. You're logic is just silly.

Oh and about upscaling looking pretty good. Sure it does but it's nothing like how true HD looks. I'm sorry but you need to go see a movie in HD and also read a little - then you won't wonder about unused space. Plus it will future comments you make on the subject worth reading :-)


RE: Could just be me, but...
By Oregonian2 on 4/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: Could just be me, but...
By Shadowself on 4/25/2007 10:37:04 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, you're wrong about this. It's been several years since DVDs were predominantly single layer. Virtually all pre-recorded DVDs are dual layer now and the movies use *well* over half of the available space -- some use almost 100% of it.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By gus6464 on 4/26/2007 1:40:38 AM , Rating: 2
Casino Royale is probably my favorite bond film. No wait Dr. No is my #1, but then it would have to be Casino Royale and then Goldeneye. I don't see whats the big deal with The Departed. Its exactly the same as the original Chinese trilogy Infernal Affairs except for the ending. I recommend everyone watch the 3 Infernal Affairs, very good movies.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By IBM guy on 4/26/2007 4:54:35 AM , Rating: 1
Not just you, I found the Departed to be cheesy compared to the Internal affairs trilogy.

Were the free copies of Casino Royale given away with PS3's anything to do with the "sales" figures.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By KamiXkaze on 4/28/2007 11:08:18 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed all 3 Infernal Affairs was quite entertaining indeed versus The Departed a sad rip off of the films mention.

KxK


RE: Could just be me, but...
By DTAllTheBest on 4/28/2007 5:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
all 3 Infernal Affairs was quite entertaining

I'm a chinese but I'm not really agree with the Infernal Affair was a good movie. Same with The Departed and Casino Royale. I rather watch MI3. More enjoyable.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By suryad on 4/30/2007 12:40:35 AM , Rating: 2
MI3?! That was the biggest crap movie I havent seen in a long time!


RE: Could just be me, but...
By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2007 12:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. It's not the format that the masses care about, just the content. Now watch what will happen in the month the Matrix trilogy is released exclusively on HD-DVD. I wager that for that month, HD-DVD will "win". However, they would probably sell better if they released them seperately. I know that I won't be buying the trilogy - I didn't like the sequels.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By EntreHoras on 4/25/2007 1:33:19 PM , Rating: 1
C'mon, Matrix Reloaded is not as good the original, but is worthy.
Revolutions is forgettable.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By ATC on 4/25/2007 2:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
The Matrix trilogy is NOT an HD-DVD exclusive, it will merely be released a month early on HD-DVD than BD.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2007 3:04:38 PM , Rating: 3
Learn to read:

quote:
in the month the Matrix trilogy is released exclusively on HD-DVD


RE: Could just be me, but...
By ATC on 4/25/2007 4:35:21 PM , Rating: 4
I'm taking lessons as we speak :p


By therealnickdanger on 4/26/2007 3:49:49 PM , Rating: 2
LOL


RE: Could just be me, but...
By ilmdba on 4/26/2007 3:58:42 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I wager that for that month, HD-DVD will "win".


I'll take that bet ;)

A couple Blu-ray exclusives, that release the same day as HD DVD Matrix:

Pirates of Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
Pirates of Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest


By therealnickdanger on 4/26/2007 3:50:43 PM , Rating: 2
Is it too late to retract my bet? I wasn't aware that PoC were releasing then. Wowzers.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By theflux on 4/25/2007 12:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
Well as far as I know movies that have been released on both formats have still performed better for Blu-ray. The Departed, Superman Returns, and Babel come to mind, but there are others.


RE: Could just be me, but...
By BladeVenom on 4/25/07, Rating: 0
I'm not picking a winner yet...
By AmbroseAthan on 4/25/2007 11:13:13 AM , Rating: 5
I do not think a winner will be declared until one of the two camps comes out with a cheap ($150-ish) player, and it works its way through the market for a while. Right now both camps are barred by price; though the Walmart players will be a move in the right direction, and Blueray got a jump from PS3. Most people don't have a few extra hundred dollars lying around for the current stand-alone players or a PS3.

DVD upscaling players are more then capable for most people over component (720p/1080i) at prices close to $100; its hard for people to justify spending beyond that for their TV's (few people actually have a 1080p HDTV with HDMI and a theatre system such that they need all the bells and whistles the high end players have). Once a cheap player exists, people will start seeing it as a possible option to purchase.

More then likely, hybrid players will take over the market. My other thought is an independent third HD option will come out in a year or two to replace both formats, as neither side seems willing to break their exclusive deals and alliances.




RE: I'm not picking a winner yet...
By mcsnet on 4/25/2007 11:29:34 AM , Rating: 1
It doesn't matter how much an HD-DVD player costs when only a couple of studios are releasing films on the format. Blu-ray has the lead when it comes to studio popularity, and it's probably only a matter of time until Universal is forced to use Blu-ray as well. It doesn't make sense for them to ignore all of those PS3s that get sold every day.

Upscaled DVD looks like anus next to either HD disc most of the time. Downloading HD content doesn't look like a workable solution for the current network considering the size of the downloads.

Blu-ray wins when the PS3 gets good games and drops in price.


RE: I'm not picking a winner yet...
By ObscureCaucasian on 4/25/2007 12:07:32 PM , Rating: 3
Price isn't as much of a factor compared to DVD's. If you can't afford the player, you almost definitely can't afford the HDTV to take advantage of the player.


RE: I'm not picking a winner yet...
By Oregonian2 on 4/25/2007 2:06:09 PM , Rating: 3
One can buy 32" HDTV's (maybe even 37" ones) for less money than the Sony Blu-Ray player costs. Even the new "cheap" Sony player coming out this summer will be equal in price to an econo 32" 720P LCD TV like Visio or Olevia (which may even cheaper themselves by then). And the TV is massively usable w/o a player at all, while the reverse is not true.

In any case, people who can't afford boats still buy cars that they could have used to pull it. People will buy a new TV when they need to, and nowadays there would be little incentive to buy other than an HDTV of at least 720P capability (and is why our bedroom has our only HDTV -- living room is waiting for the 50+ inch 1080p plasmas to drop to about two thirds of their current $5K+ price).


By Oregonian2 on 4/25/2007 6:25:13 PM , Rating: 2
P.S. - Just saw today that with a coupon code (etc) one can get a 37" Olevia HDTV for $550 at Circuit City. How much is Sony's Blu-Ray player (not the one that plays games too)?


RE: I'm not picking a winner yet...
By AmbroseAthan on 4/25/2007 1:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
The film follows the players; not the other way around. While the deals are cemented now, sooner or later someone is going to have to switch (unless Hybrids come out on top).

I agree Blue-ray has an advantage with the PS3; but a cheap HD-DVD player or Blue-Ray player the mass-market (i.e. the people who just want something that works) can afford will determine the battle, and consumer demand will cause the studios to follow. I have found in personal experience, most people wouldn't want to pay more then $150 for a stand-alone player. This is why DVD and Upscaling DVD players are still the king, not to mention the HD (720 and higher) market is a much smaller consumer segment.


RE: I'm not picking a winner yet...
By Zoomer on 4/26/2007 7:36:00 AM , Rating: 2
I predict that the emotion engine and all that crap would be cut from the ps3, and the 60gb version would see maybe a $50 price cut in summer, and another $50 cut in time for the holiday season.

That would make the most sense.

If things get bad, they could always reintroduce the 20gb version for $70 (their reported manuf. cost diff.) less than the current 60gb, just for the folks who just want a player.

Would you buy a Blu-Ray player that also plays most ps2 games, as well as next gen ps3 games, for $429?


By wallijonn on 4/26/2007 12:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It doesn't matter how much an HD-DVD player costs when only a couple of studios are releasing films on the format. Blu-ray has the lead when it comes to studio popularity, and it's probably only a matter of time until Universal is forced to use Blu-ray as well. It doesn't make sense for them to ignore all of those PS3s that get sold every day.


And the reason why more studios support BR? Because Sony owns Sony Pictures, MGM, Columbia, Tristar, Screen Gems, Seven Arts, Mandolay, United Artists, American International Pictures, Orion, Filmways, Samuel Goldwyn Pictures, and probably a few more.

So who is basically left? Universal, Fox, Warner, Disney. And Disney is backing BR.

So, why does HD-DVD come out with a movie like "The Jerk"? Yeah, that'll really sell a tonne.


RE: I'm not picking a winner yet...
By techfuzz on 4/25/2007 2:57:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
DVD upscaling players are more then capable for most people over component (720p/1080i) at prices close to $100;

I just bought a Philips DVP5960/37 for $55 that does 480p/720p/1080i upscaling over component or HDMI. It's the next best thing to a sub $300 HD or BD player and I don't have to pay the premium for HD or BD discs. When Denon (or another similar home theater component manufacturer) comes out with a HD or BD player for under $300, I'll consider it. For now, I'm more than happy with my budget upscaling DVD player that plays everything I throw at it.


By wallijonn on 4/26/2007 12:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I just bought a Philips DVP5960/37 for $55 that does 480p/720p/1080i upscaling over component or HDMI


As someone who bought the latest Oppo, I can say that its the media that makes or breaks the experience. Next time you're at your local supermarket pick up the latest version of "Thunderball" for $9.99. It is a frame by frame restoration and when you compare it side by side to the old version you'll see that it blows it away. Good DVD movies can be made to look great - just look at the last Star Wars Film, episode 3. It was absolutely beautiful.


Neither will will
By Zagor on 4/25/2007 11:20:01 AM , Rating: 5
These numbers are but a drop in the DVD sales bucket. Both of these will be relegated to nitche formats. Standard DVDs are "good enough" for your average consumer. There is not enough incentive for consumers to re-buy their DVD libraries for minimal picture quality gain.




RE: Neither will will
By BMFPitt on 4/25/2007 11:38:46 AM , Rating: 2
I think that one format will eventually win, and that most people will adopt this new tech (thought at a much slower rate than they adopted DVD.) But DVD won't become obsolete as VHS has, because the same players will still play everyone's "good enough" DVDs.

I think that very few people will replace their whole DVD collection, with most people only trading up on the essentials (i.e. big time action movies.) And by the time DVDs have the same shelf space that VHS is currently relegated to, players will be $50 and top titles will be about the same as current DVDs.


RE: Neither will will
By SavagePotato on 4/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: Neither will will
By darkpaw on 4/25/2007 2:09:32 PM , Rating: 1
DVD has so many advantages over VHS I don't think I ever remember anyone saying VHS was good enough except for my stingy ass grandpa.

The upgrade from VHS to DVD provided a lot of improvements outside of quality that were immediately noticeable and was definately an revoluntanary change. DVD to either HD format is more of an incremental change.


RE: Neither will will
By theapparition on 4/25/2007 3:39:24 PM , Rating: 1
Both of you are correct, from "a certain point of view".

VHS->DVD = user enhanced features + a little PQ gain (240i->480p)

DVD->HD = no additional features + tremendous PQ gain. (480p->1080p)

Depends what your looking at, usability or quality.


RE: Neither will will
By bplewis24 on 4/26/2007 10:46:10 PM , Rating: 2
No additional features??? Have you ever played an HD-DVD or Blu-ray before?

Brandon


RE: Neither will will
By Ravenlore on 4/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: Neither will will
By FITCamaro on 4/25/2007 12:26:29 PM , Rating: 2
Both new formats have already been cracked so they've lost their "it can't be pirated" attitude. The only thing slowing down piracy on the new formats is the cost of the drives to read the formats. And with the $200 HD-DVD drive from Microsoft, this is fading. Once the drives are cheaper, piracy with the HD formats will be just as rampant as with DVD. And if they try to have the attitude of "well we'll just keep the device cost high" then their format will fail.

Studios or anyone else will never win against piracy no matter how hard they try. The only thing you can do to help stop piracy is give people a reason to legitimately purchase the product. And making DRM heavy formats that invade your computer and devices with spyware which only create problems for legitimate buyers isn't going to do that. The games industry seems to be learning this. Maybe eventually the RIAA and MPAA will.


RE: Neither will will
By Zagor on 4/25/2007 3:11:45 PM , Rating: 2
It is true the any new format will take some time before becoming the new king but your reasoning is flawed. There have been numerous failed/niche formats over the years. How much more time do you want to give Laser Discs before calling it a failed format.

The studio want a new format every time sales of the current format become stagnant. They want to be able to re-sell you the same content over and over. Heck they want you to buy a new copy every time you buy a different electronic appliance. If they could, they would want you to pay every time you watch a movie or play a song (gives new meaning to the term PPV).

As others have already addressed film quality is superior in every detail to digital HD not to mention the ability of the director to express a particular look and feel of a movie (unless you want every movie to look like a football/baseball/basketball HD game). Film will never go away, it allows way too much artistic expression.

I am not sure what your point is about analog TVs going away. Standard DVDs are digital just like HD DVDs and will work just fine. Just because people start buy more HD TVs doesn't necessarily mean that they will be buying more Blue-Ray/HD DVDs.

For prices of BR/HD players to come down to compete with standard DVD player you need mass adoption first not the other way around. Things become cheap when there is a lot of demand and a lot of supply. Prices cannot come down when only early adopters are doing the buying. Take a look at High Definition Video Recorders/Players, they have been out for several years but still cost $1000 a piece and are just about dead. The reason you see BR/HD players come down so quickly is because both Sony and Toshiba are betting so heavily on this new format that they are willing to sell at a loss just so that mass adoption can take place. The problem is that if mass adoption doesn't come quick enough (or at all) they will be forced to stop selling at these prices and there goes the format. Relegated to a niche group of people.


RE: Neither will will
By theapparition on 4/25/2007 3:46:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Take a look at High Definition Video Recorders/Players, they have been out for several years but still cost $1000 a piece and are just about dead.

I'll agree. I have a JVC Digital-VHS recorder. I've been recording 1080 on tape for years now. Each tape holds ~50hours of SD and 2-4hours of HD. But, no one wants to deal with tape anymore so this format is essentially dead.


By GTaudiophile on 4/25/2007 12:25:27 PM , Rating: 2
The DVD, be it in HD or BR or standard form, will be dead within 5-10 years. The technology is just too fragile. Every single Netflx DVD I have received has been damaged in some way, rendering parts of the movie unwatchable. This happens despite very careful cleaning of each DVD I receive. VHS tapes had far superior longevity. People are going to follow the music industry and begin adopting more formats that don't require such fragile media. Along with faster Internet connections, direct download to harddrive with DRM built in (ala iTunes) is the distribution format of the future. Like it or not, it's coming.




By deeznuts on 4/25/2007 1:01:43 PM , Rating: 2
After two years I have had exactly one disk be unreadable. How many netflix movies have you rented, one?


By viperpa on 4/25/2007 1:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with what some people have said, that it's not the format that's selling but the movie itself. If Casino Royale was sold exclusively on HD DVD, you would see HD DVD numbers be more than Blu Ray.

As far as Netlfix, some movies get shipped unplayable but I wouldn't say everyone. I have rented a lot of movies from netflix and I would say only about 10 were unplayable due to scratches or broken during transit.


By encryptkeeper on 4/25/2007 1:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
Good god man, what the hell are you doing to your disks? I don't understand people that don't take care of their things. The bottom line is this format war is practically 50-50 when all things are considered. A sub 400 HD player or even less is going to bring people over to the HD camp, unless BR finds a way to price players lower. Right now, BR seems to have a better hold on exclusive titles, which is what they need to survive. But the fact is HD is still in there, and getting ALOT cheaper and BR is not. If they follow that for too long...it'll be all over with HD as the victor.


By Oregonian2 on 4/25/2007 2:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
I'd suggest perhaps that you not try cleaning your DVDs. Or try another DVD player.

We've rented from Netflix for a number of years (5 at a time). Maybe twice a year we'll get a cracked one (usually when mailed from other than our local distribution point) and once or twice there was one with a bad spot. But the faulty ones as a percentage are rare (and when reported have their replacement mailed the next business day).



Film = HD
By lakingsgeek on 4/25/2007 12:06:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Third, newer camers are HD quality, thus all future films will be filmed in HD quality. and DVD will be left behind to those who can not afford HD.


Film picture quality is just as good as HD. Film captures exactly what it sees. There is no such thing as resolution in film because it's not digital. How do you think an older film like Grand Prix looks so good in HD? You can't make something look better than the source material just because you convert it to digital. Consumers won't be losing any more picture quality on the newer HD movies transfered to DVD than a movie made on film. I hope that made sense, i'm terrible at explaining this kind of stuff.




RE: Film = HD
By PitViper007 on 4/25/2007 12:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
The point though is that some studios are going away from film and using digital. Lucas Arts is one of them. In this case the use of HD cameras is a big factor. But you are correct in that film has much higher quality, depending on the grain.

PitViper


RE: Film = HD
By Oregonian2 on 4/25/2007 2:20:09 PM , Rating: 2
Driving force isn't quality though. It's that distribution becomes MUCH MUCH cheaper. Making multiple film copies, one for each screen (plus shipping -- and they're big/heavy so even that's significant) vs just doing downloads. Limiting factor is having theatres update to digital projectors (which in some cases also gives them quality 3D projection ability).


RE: Film = HD
By PandaBear on 4/25/2007 3:00:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yes there is, any physical media even in analog has maximum resolution (grain size of 35mm film camera is around 10Mega Pixels).

Older film can be filtered in DSP to get rid of noise, and manual processing to remove aliasing can get quality that is not in "higher definition" but lower noise and better color quality.

The quality of camera and recording in raw format is usually much higher than the one they release in cinema and broadcast due to bandwidth, so when bandwidth is improved you can get much better quality.


Now children, play nice, and
By Quryous on 4/25/2007 3:07:10 PM , Rating: 2
When the players reach $29.95 and the discs reach $9.99, someone let me know so I can start paying attention. Until then, don't bother.




RE: Now children, play nice, and
By aos007 on 4/25/2007 4:34:18 PM , Rating: 2
Your sentiment is right but your price brackets are wrong. If you are truly not interested in a video player until it's price is below $30, you are probably on the wrong website.

(based on experience with DVD, general public will start mass buying players for e.g. Christmas once the price is around $100; if you are waiting till it's $30 - which only happened within last year or two for DVDs - you either live in poverty, place extremely low priority on technology items or have an anti-technology stance (e.g. old geezer). Any of these categories would make you an extremely unlikely Anandtech reader).


Aww, poor Blu-Ray fanboy Marcus Yam
By Sharky974 on 4/25/2007 10:01:26 PM , Rating: 1
http://gear.ign.com/articles/783/783545p1.html

"HD-DVD Movie Sales Only 2k Behind Blu-ray
Most recent sales data shows formats almost neck and neck.
by Gerry Block

April 25, 2007 - The recent pres-release-bickering between the HD-DVD and Blu-ray camps isn't terribly new, though most previous spats have gone down in the midst of large trade shows. The most recent squabbling began when HD-DVD celebrated the format's birthday by announcing that 100,000 dedicated players had been sold, preserving the format's hardware lead, not counting the PlayStation 3 (story). Blu-ray fired back, announcing that Blu-ray movie sales had reached the 1,000,000-sold milestone, and added a little salt to the wound with the data that 70-percent of Q1 HD-movie sales were thanks to Blu-ray (story).

Today, HD-DVD's representatives from Webersh & Wick public relations wrote to IGN Gear directly with updated HD-DVD news. According to their figures, HD-DVD movie sales lag only 2,000 units behind Blu-ray with 998,059 units sold. The firm points out that pre-orders of Planet Earth and The Matrix Trilogy will propel HD-DVD over the million-mark quite shortly. Representatives also stated that hardware sales have continued with strength in April, maintaining a 4 to 1 margin over Blu-ray.

Though consumers would likely benefit to a resolution to this format war sooner rather than later, it's looking like the struggle may continue for quite some time. The upshot of it all, however, will be a long and amusing PR battle. Honestly, it's rare in technology to get this much back-and-forth in claims, counter claims, dueling sales statistics, and one sided announcements of victory, so kick back and enjoy it, maybe while rocking some undeniably pretty 1080p movies on the format of your choice. "




By jadedeath on 4/26/2007 1:49:26 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't just take ability to write a sentence to post on the internet, apparently it's blatant bald-faced ignorance as well.

Read a little further into it, firstly Q1 has been dominated by Blu-Ray, no matter how much HD fans or HD supporting companies try to spin it, it's been a year for HD with a Million sold and it's been less than a year for Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray is in the lead.

PS3 should be counted in the totals because it IS a Blu-Ray player. There's no getting around that fact, you put a Blu-Ray disk into the drive and voila it starts showing you a strange moving picture that has sound... astounding.

HD claims that Q4 will be their big time, do you honestly believe that the Blu-Ray camp won't have big releases that Quarter as well? How about Pirates 3 and Spider-Man 3? Those big enough for you? Considering how big each of those are and the fact that PS3 will have sold 3-4 Million by that time {and possibly with a Price drop going into the holiday} that's sure to soundly defeat anything that HD can release in that time possibly by even more than 3-1 with just those two titles alone.

Aside from the fact that Blu-Ray has the support of most of the Hollywood studios, it's a no-brainer from that point on. At the point in time that even Bill Gates is considering jumping ship, most of the HD fans should re-consider purchases and see if they can get their money back.

Logan


That's kind of funny...
By Oobu on 4/26/2007 4:01:19 AM , Rating: 2
I actually bought Casino Royale on Bluray disc in March. Haha. Must have been a lot of people thinking the same thing.




BluRay vs HDDVD
By Narutoyasha76 on 4/25/07, Rating: -1
RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By IWILLDROCKYOU on 4/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By deeznuts on 4/25/2007 12:59:44 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I hate PS3 compared to XBOX 360 and i would be really depressed if BluRay won this competition. Also BluRay is just too expensive they need to lower their price if they really want to pull ahead. Also i believe porn is only coming on HDDVD so that will help it out.


Either you are joking or you actually believed every single anti-sony/360 fanboy post out there.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By IWILLDROCKYOU on 4/25/2007 2:03:58 PM , Rating: 1
Actually to be honest i do believe everyone of those 360 fanboy posts and i dont understand how you dont. 360 has better games and playstation is too expensive. Playstation had their heads really far up their butts when they forced you to have the blu ray. More people are buying hd tvs but not enough to make everyone have to pay for it. I like 360's approach of giving you the option to purchase it if you want to.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By Belard on 4/25/07, Rating: 0
RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2007 3:14:26 PM , Rating: 3
Blah.
Blah.
Blah.

The PS3 is twice the price of a 360 REGARDLESS of features. Seriously, just drop it, stop trying to justify it. Let people spend money on what they want to spend it on. DT should install an auto-block feature that detects PS3 vs 360 price comparisons and prevents them from being formed.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By bplewis24 on 4/26/2007 10:55:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The PS3 is twice the price of a 360 REGARDLESS of features


So you can make price comparisons but nobody else should be able to. But in your context everything other than price is ignored. Pretty sweet deal.

Brandon


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By GaryJohnson on 4/25/2007 3:18:03 PM , Rating: 2
How about you go buy the console you think has the best value, and the rest of us will buy the console that has the games out that we actually want to play.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By theapparition on 4/25/2007 3:27:38 PM , Rating: 4
Don't mean to jump in, but the intent of the original post was that you don't have to pay for items you may not need.

Another way of looking at it (and just as valid as your comparison) is:

Cost of gaming:
Xbox360 = $299
PS3 = $599

Cost of Gaming plus HD Movie Playback:
Xbox360 = $498
PS3 = $599

Cost of Gaming plus Hard Drive plus HD Movie Playback:
Xbox360 = $598
PS3 = $599

Cost of Gaming + Hard Drive + HD Movie Playback + HDMI:
Xbox360 = $678
PS3 = $599

There is no debate that for everything, the PS3 provides better hardware value than the Xbox360. But maybe you don't need wireless. Maybe your completely satisfied with a 20GB hard drive (or no hard drive at all!). Maybe you don't want an HD-DVD drive. Maybe you wanted to play HD games a year before the PS3 release?

Microsoft's strategy is to have lower entry price, and kill you on accessories. Sony's is to give everything up front, at a higher upfront cost. Game support and online is clearly in Xbox360's favor right now. History is on PS2's/PS3's side.

I'm not going to debate which one is better, because its pointless. What is better for you is not necessarily what is better for your next door neighboor. And before anyone calls me a fanboy, I don't have either. I just enjoy watching everyone make fools of themselves fighting over which one is best. Buy what makes you happy, and enjoy it ;)

I do own both a component HD player and a BluRay player. The HD (Toshiba A2) is superior every way. I also have over 1000 DVD's and don't play on signifigantly increasing my HD library until there is a clear (or dual) format. Being the lemming that I am, I'll probably end up buying the Lucasfilm extra-super-uber HD remastered StarWars saga in both formats again.

Let's see:
StarWars(4-6) individual VHS
StarWars(4-6) individual LaserDisc
StarWars Box set VHS
THX remastered VHS
Special Edition Box Set VHS
Ep 1-3 Box set DVD
Ep 4-6 Box set DVD
Ep 4-6 individual (non-special edition) DVD

I was just about to post how many versions of The Lord of the Ring's DVD's I have bought, but suddenly I feel depressed.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By Alpha4 on 4/25/2007 11:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
I bet you'd feel less depressed once you found out how much the original VHS and laser-disc individual & box sets would go for on E-bay. ;)


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2007 12:55:59 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure where you got that info. First, BD and HD have been about neck'n'neck in picture quality. Each format has had its handful of weak transfers. Technically, BD has the capability of offering better picture quality due to its higher capacity and higher bandwidth, but in order to do an apples-to-apples comparison, you would need the same movie transfered via two seperate methods to maximize each format's strengths. So far, multi-format studios are filling up the HD-DVD, then copying that over to BD without further enhancements.

Second, it will be a cold day in hell before Xbox Live or iTunes delivers quality on par with a 30GB 1080p transfer from either format.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By akugami on 4/25/2007 1:07:59 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree. Using the same encoding schemes should yield indistinguishable results on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. They're remarkably similar in many ways. The major nod for Blu-Ray is the standardized protective layer that should eliminate 90% of scratches. That, along with the higher per layer data size, is what makes Blu-Ray the better format.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By theapparition on 4/25/2007 3:33:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The major nod for Blu-Ray is the standardized protective layer that should eliminate 90% of scratches.

BRD needs the protective layer because their write surface was so close to the outer plastic of the disk, making even slight scratches render the disc a coaster. The added layer gives the disk the comparitively same protection as a standard DVD.
HD-DVD does not need this layer, as they were always at approx the same level of protection as a DVD.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By mcnabney on 4/28/2007 1:38:32 AM , Rating: 2
All of these technical and size issues mean nothing.

Have you all learned nothing from VHS vs Beta?

Walmart is going to be dropping a few million cheap HD-DVD players by Black Friday. Think: $200 HD-DVD player. They are not making a similar deal with BD.

So the format war is over. Why? Because more DVDs and DVD players are sold in Walmart than all other sources. Do you think the HD generation will be any different? They represent that much of the market. VHS did the exact same thing to win out. The only plus to VHS over Beta was the 6 hour recording time.

Oh, and why did Walmart choose HD-DVD? Those disks are created on existing equipment which means that they will be able to get better prices on media. If BD won the format war the presumption would be that all of those DVD presses will need to get tossed in the river. With HD-DVD, it is just an upgrade and presses are back online.


RE: BluRay vs HDDVD
By jadedeath on 4/28/2007 8:03:12 PM , Rating: 2
Smoke another one.

You seriously sound like someone who's trying to justify paying money for HD-DVD because you've already bought way too much product and you don't want to end up with a Laserdisk player.

The more PS3's that hit the market, {and there are a hell of alot more of those than HD-DVD players} the more Blu-Ray disks will sell. Every week new Blu-Ray disks will get released and HD-DVD doesn't have that much backing it. The biggest releases this year are being released Blu-Ray only.

You're note that Walmart has not stopped selling Blu-Ray players, or disks, if they were as pro-HD-DVD as you claim then they would not sell Blu-Ray at all.

Facts are they ARE still selling Blu-Ray and they do still have Blu-Ray disks on the shelves, because Walmart for all their ability to screw their own employees, the upper management isn't completely retarded.

Blu-Ray is making them money, and if they drop Blu-Ray from the shelves they risk pissing off not only the movie companies that Sony owns but Disney as well, and that would be as even more ignorant than your post.

Logan


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