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Blockbuster may have been busted by Netflix

For many years Blockbuster video enjoyed great success in the movie rental business. Blockbuster is one of the largest movie rental chains in the country, but the company has found that its continued existence is far from guaranteed.

Blockbuster has announced that there is "substantial doubt" about its ability to continue as a going concern. A going concern is a qualification that refers to an auditor's assessment of a company's ability to continue operations reports MSNBC.

Blockbuster is struggling with profitability and viability in the face of the rising popularity of mail-order rental services like Netflix the company stated in a SEC disclosure. Blockbuster had previously disclosed that an auditor was likely to raise doubts about its long-term viability.

Blockbuster stated last week that its revolving and term loan agreement had been amended giving the company a $250 million revolving loan for financing maturing on September 30, 2010. The company thinks it will be able to close the financing around May 11, but states that the closing of the loan is not assured at this point.

Blockbuster says that even if the loan is funded it, "may not have sufficient liquidity to finance the ongoing obligations of our business, which raises substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern."

Blockbuster shares fell 3 cents to 85 cents in trading after hours after closing at 88 cents reports MSNBC. In July of 2008 Blockbuster was considering the purchase of now defunct Circuit City.  



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Simple Solution...
By cscpianoman on 4/7/2009 1:23:05 PM , Rating: 2
Close down all the stores and do what Netflix does, it is apparent where the market is going and they had better get on now while the getting is good. Also, work really hard to get a media streaming tool with new movies and you might be competitive.




RE: Simple Solution...
By Spivonious on 4/7/2009 1:34:46 PM , Rating: 3
They already offer a service like Netflix. I agree with you about closign the stores, but from my experience working there for a few years, LOTS of people rent movies every day over the summer. There were the regular third shift single guys, the regular housewives with young children, the regular Friday night teenager groups.

If you want a movie, and you want it now (and you don't have a way to hook your computer up to the TV) then there is no other option than to go rent one.

I think they should bring late fees back. They made up something like 40% of their revenue before they got rid of them. You just can't make that up in popcorn sales.


RE: Simple Solution...
By bbomb on 4/7/2009 3:02:55 PM , Rating: 2
Late fees have returned at the Blockbuster in our area. The Colony, TX


RE: Simple Solution...
By thequoth on 4/7/2009 5:22:57 PM , Rating: 2
What no one seems to have mentioned yet is that Blockbuster operates corporate stores and franchises. The corporate stores and the franchises (in my experience) are completely different and one of the differences is the late fee policy. Franchises pretty much do what they want. For example, the store in my area runs a rent 1 get 1 on Wednesday and they do charge late fees.

I have a Netflix subscription, buy movies from Best Buy, pay for premium movie channels on DirecTV, and every now and then I still rent a movie from Block Buster. There is a piece out there for everyone. Even having all this access to virtually any movie, sometimes I still cannot figure out what I want to watch.

I think blockbuster should focus on the thing that sets them apart form the online format like Netflix – real live people. Instead of paying any high school student $5/ hr to scan movies and take your money, employ pre-grad film students. Call them “movie guru’s” if you must, but let people know “if you have movie questions, we have movie answers”. Make going to rent a movie worth the trip.


RE: Simple Solution...
By Farva on 4/7/2009 5:31:52 PM , Rating: 3
I work at a Blockbuster (college job, not career move) and I can tell you that there are very few franchise Blockbusters anymore. BBV corporate bought out most franchises over the past few years. Also, late fees are soon going to return to all corporate Blockbusters, very soon. They were supposed to already be returned but BBV corporate can't decide on how to implement the change. Also there is going to be some new tiered rental arrangement (ie. 1, 3, 5, and month..yes, month rentals). This company is horribly ran from the C-level to the CSR level. No joke.

Luckily, I am graduating this May and have a real job, but I wouldn't hold by breath that BBV makes it more than a couple more years. They sent a mass email to all shift leads and store managers saying that their jobs were not in jeopardy and not to worry about the news. BTW, watch Clerks that is the attitude of most CSRs at Blockbuster.


RE: Simple Solution...
By Screwballl on 4/7/2009 10:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
I hope the local BB dies. They have screwed over so many people (including myself) saying they never returned a movie, tried charging them $40-100 for "movie plus late fees", and just all around bullshit.
The locally owned video store has better prices, has more movies in a smaller space, a real person actually calls you the next morning if a movie was not returned... instead of Blockbuster's crap automated system that never understands when you speak and doesn't recognize when you pressed "1", plus it refuses to work at all unless you call from the specific phone number registered under the Blockbuster account. Otherwise it just places you in a queue that will ring to the next available associate... yeah right I have been in that store and listened to the phone ring for 20 minutes before without a single person answering.

We refuse to go to Blockbuster anymore, Netflix or the locally owned store has what we need.


RE: Simple Solution...
By tlampen on 4/17/2009 11:47:36 AM , Rating: 2
Eff them for saying no late fees... at our BB store we don't have late fees but if you don't return the movie on time they charge you $40 to buy the movie and then you only get store credit when you return it. complete BS. I wish we had another local video store around but BB put them all out of business a few years back. another Sh!tty thing they are doing is effing their loyal customers by charging them for a "rewards" card. Friken make it free! Sh!t you not, the last time I went in to BB, their pitch to renew my rewards card was that the cost to renew was going to go up to $20 and I should renew it early because it is only $10 now! I hope they go out of business because they deserve it! Maybe it would allow a local Video store to come in and value their loyal customers as aposed to bending them over the counter!


RE: Simple Solution...
By FITCamaro on 4/7/2009 3:29:18 PM , Rating: 3
The only problem with streaming is that its future is also uncertain. If more companies adopt caps similar to the absurd caps at Time Warner (40GB maximum for $55/month) then no one is going to stream video.


RE: Simple Solution...
By Farva on 4/7/2009 5:33:48 PM , Rating: 1
Very true...I hope Comcast doesn't go down that dark road...I like my torrents. ;)


RE: Simple Solution...
By Boze on 4/7/2009 6:16:20 PM , Rating: 1
Comcast is already down that dark road. I got warned about 7 or 8 months back for downloading 461 GB in a single month. The tech said that "is way over normal home usage", to which I replied, "How do you define 'normal home usage' on a plan that is billeted as unlimited?"

The cap, by the way, after much pressing and speaking to several of his supervisors, is 250 gigabytes a month, download and upload combined.

The simple fact is... none of these companies should ever have said "unlimited" Internet in their plans. Once you tell the bodybuilder that the chicken breasts at the buffet are all you can eat, you're gonna piss him off when you decide that "all you can eat" means '3' and not '7'.


RE: Simple Solution...
By walk2k on 4/7/09, Rating: -1
RE: Simple Solution...
By Boze on 4/7/2009 6:54:40 PM , Rating: 4
Ironically, it was 100% legal.

It just so happens I was moving data between my online storage vault and a new computer I built... :)

OH, YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON NOW BECAUSE YOU ASSUMED, AND MADE AN ASS OUTTA YOURSELF. And me to a lesser degree, because now I have to let you know what an ass you are.

Now moving right along to the rest of your post...

I agree with you that 250 GB is very generous, and truth be told, according to Tomato, I haven't used more than 141 GB in a single month since the 461 GB month.

Fortunately, because cable is limited on speeds (6 mbps upstream / 15 mbps downstream is Comcast max in this area) and I live in a relatively small town (the lines are never... ever... saturated, you as a customer would never be impacted. I'm in the enviable position of having too big a pipe to realistically saturate to the point where it would affect another customer.

Also, how do you know what "unlimited" means unless its defined? They never said anything about no per-minute / per-hour / per-day / per-millenium charge. Unlimited can mean whatever I want it to mean, because it wasn't defined clearly at the start of the contract.

Had terms been clearly defined from the start, none of this mess would be occurring right now.


RE: Simple Solution...
By callmeroy on 4/8/09, Rating: -1
RE: Simple Solution...
By callmeroy on 4/8/2009 7:37:49 AM , Rating: 2
give anyone +1 point for the ability to read through the typos in that last post...sorry I'm off to a rough morning, didn't get much sleep and in earlier than normal today...


RE: Simple Solution...
By DFranch on 4/8/2009 12:50:14 PM , Rating: 2
I must have missed the typos, I understood everything which was said in the previous post. Unless you consider people disagreeing with you to be a typo. 461GB in a month is a lot of data, legitimate or not. I'll take my +1 now.


RE: Simple Solution...
By callmeroy on 4/30/2009 10:41:27 AM , Rating: 2
um ....no kidding 461 a month is a lot...which is EXACTLY what i said...I'm completely confused on my rating on this one...whatever...lol


RE: Simple Solution...
By Hiawa23 on 4/8/2009 8:15:42 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks to Netflix's excellent service I have not even step foot into a Blockbuster in 5 or more years. It's clear where the market is going, so they should close the stores, & just continue with online rentals. Seems like things were great for Blockbuster years ago when they ad little competition.


Don't forget Red Box
By bighairycamel on 4/7/2009 1:22:05 PM , Rating: 2
I personally use Netflix, but many of my neighbors/friends/co-workers use Red Box now instead of Blockbuster or Hollywood Video. Also, some of them use on-demand movie services through their cable or satellite company.

Both are more convenient than a B&M rental store.




RE: Don't forget Red Box
By Zshazz on 4/7/2009 1:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
That's what I was thinking too. Red Box is great ... I hardly ever go to Blockbuster anymore. You just can't compete with $1/day movie rentals with the ability to reserve the movie online. It's utterly awesome, even new movies are usually in stock!


RE: Don't forget Red Box
By syphon on 4/7/2009 2:09:14 PM , Rating: 2
I have never had an issue with Redbox. The fact that I can return it to any location and go online to find which one near me has the movie I want.

Blockbuster needs to get smart and take their already large inventory and ditch the stores and start up something like Redbox. With their brand name, they could definitely get stores to let them put a machine in. Honestly, paying 4-5 bucks for a movie at their store is worthless to me when I just pay $1 and go to a store right next to my house and get my new release. On top of that, I can return them to the store next to my work.


RE: Don't forget Red Box
By Zshazz on 4/7/2009 2:53:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah! Exactly. For Blockbuster, I had to plan my day around the exact Blockbuster I had to return my movies to. With Red box, I just go to the one that's most convenient to where I need to go that day. I love it. They're all over the place, too. I have 8 in my immediate area, so it doesn't matter what direction I want to go.

I wish there was a service like that for games... I've never been satisfied with the way game rentals have been done. Gamefly works alright, but I'd just like to have it in my hands, same day.


RE: Don't forget Red Box
By christojojo on 4/7/2009 4:46:38 PM , Rating: 3
To me The movies at redbox are more like $30 a month versus a Dollar a day. Yeah, I know that you can return them the same day but If I rent one that day I am not going out to return it most likely. Sometimes I rent a movie knowing that I have to wait a day or two to watch. Redbox doesn't guarantee the film I want wont be rented out. Personally, If I am looking online I might as well stream or have one sent to me at $8.99 per month. (If you average 3 movies a month with red tube and take 3 days to get, watch and return it you actually get your money's worth out of Netflix.) (Sorry for what sounds like a commercial)

I think that if Blockbuster had a combination system in place like netflix it would be still strong. I even suggested to them several times that they should have aren't from store return by mail/ any store system. Each time I was told that's not how they do things.

The true problem was/is Blockbuster has/is run by nay-sayers not innovators. They say no with spreadsheet reasons and now they pretty much lost the rental war.


RE: Don't forget Red Box
By JediJeb on 4/7/2009 6:25:18 PM , Rating: 2
Never heard of Red Box, and in my town the only places to rent movies are Block Buster, Wal Mart( I think they still rent movies, havent been in there for a year) or Circus Video ( small local video store with tanning beds in the back lol). Only other option here would be Netflix, because I'm not paying for Hughesnet just to download videos and there isn't another option for broadband at my house.

The mail order ones would be ok, but for the time you just on a wim want to rent a movie, it would be difficult here with out Block Buster, unless I want to drive 40 miles to another store.


RE: Don't forget Red Box
By kmmatney on 4/7/2009 7:56:25 PM , Rating: 2
Your doing the RedBox thing all wrong. First, you can reserve the movie online, so you can pretty much garauntee that the movie will be there. Second, if you can't watch it the day you rent, just rip it and watch it at your convenience. You have until 9:00 PM the next day to return, and you can return it to any location. MNost people will have locations near both home and work, so it's pretty flexible.

The nice thing about RedBox is that you can take a break from watching movies, without penalty (e.g. you can go 4 weeks without watching anything, and not feel like your wasting money).

All RedBox needs is:

- Bluray movies. Apparently they have these, but not near me.
- They need special return slots, so you can return movies without waiting for people taking forever selecting their movie. The Walmart near me has 2 redboxes, which is nice as you usually don't have to wait.


Not so simple
By redeem4god on 4/7/2009 2:40:44 PM , Rating: 2
While it sounds simple in theory to just move from a brick-n-mortar business to an online only business its not especially when Netflix already has a dedicated following. It never works coming late the game which blockbuster is.

There are two big issues blockbuster has had over the years. One is that their business model resembles that of Nintendos (and even they realize the need to diversify). A family oriented rental shop that rarely, if at all, purchases director’s unrated cuts/versions, mature rated animations, 17+ movies etc, etc.

To add to their demise is the unwillingness to purchase more letterbox/widescreen version and having the ignorant notion that the majority of the population prefers Pan & Crap (Scan) over such.

Only the ignorant wouldn’t realize that as more movies become 16:9/10 enhanced those vast majorities will play in widescreen, like the theater, consuming the whole screen without black bars. Yet if you have Pan & Scan DVD's you will get the black bars on the sides...suckers!

These two factors in my opinion lead or are leading to their downfall and it's about damn time. You run a business badly or without foresight & knowledge of the technology that your median plays on you deserve to fail.




RE: Not so simple
By thequoth on 4/7/2009 5:38:54 PM , Rating: 2
You make a good point... Something you may not have considered is that your store(s) may be in a franchise area and the store owner is making the inventory decisions.

Corporate stores in low income areas are usually stocked with more "Standard" than widescreen due to studies that show the lower class demographic will usually choose the one over the other.


RE: Not so simple
By Boze on 4/7/2009 6:59:05 PM , Rating: 1
You mean put simply...

Most poor people could not, and still cannot, afford widescreen televisions. What's also interesting, is that they don't realize they're actually being ripped off. If you rent a "standard" video, you're missing out on, I believe its up to 33% of the picture (maybe some movie gurus can help me out on this, I really don't remember the picture loss going from 2.35:1 to 1.33:1). Or really, they simply lack the common sense to understand that if someone chops off a sixth of your picture on either side, you're technically watching "less" movie. I was a kid when I figured this out, and was buying widescreen DVDs with my allowance, and later on, part-time after school job money.

Maybe there's a reason that the lower class demographic stays lower class... I guess that old adage about common sense not being too common is all too true.


RE: Not so simple
By bobobeastie on 4/7/2009 8:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe what you are talking about is a franchise/ corporate issue. I'm pretty sure my local blockbuster is corporate owned and I don't think I have ever even seen a pan and scan abomination on their shelves. Worst case scenario is that it's a late 90's non anamorphic DVD release, like the Rock, that they didn't bother replacing when an updated anamorphic version was released.

I'm not sure about NC17 (I can rent those from their online service), but they have plenty of new releases with the unrated gimmick. They just don't have directors cuts outside of blu ray because they don't want to replace their theatrical cuts.


By PAPutzback on 4/7/2009 1:30:48 PM , Rating: 4
That should be the title. Had they not screwed people with late charges and high rental fees they would be doing fine.

There used to be an occasion when I'd still look at BB for a new release because Netflix would have a new release marked as long wait. But if you were late one time at BB you ended up getting charged the equivalent of a month at Netflix. And the game rental prices are way over the top. I'll be glad to see them go. I just hope that if Netflix gets a huge amount of customers from a BB closing that their inventory goes up and prices stay low.




Do what Circuit City should have done
By luceri on 4/7/2009 1:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
Circuit City's largest profits came from its online store. They should have closed up shop and went online to compete directly with newegg with low prices and quality service before it went beyond that point.

Best buy needs to do the same with netflix and they need to do it in a big way. They need something to counter the netflix / xbox360 deal. PS3 isn't good enough, they need a wii app if possible and stream movies over the wii. They need massive restructuring and they need to do it now or else it'll be too late. Close down all the stores that aren't making a profit today and start the transition to an online business.




By MrCoyote on 4/8/2009 12:54:53 AM , Rating: 2
True. I use XBOX 360 with Netflix streaming. If I want a movie that night, I rent one through XBOX Live Marketplace. About the same price, if not cheaper than having to drive to a store. It's all about convenience.


Aw crap.
By Lightnix on 4/7/2009 2:06:06 PM , Rating: 2
Blockbuster is the only store in my area that sells video games or movies without having to go out of town. I really don't want them to close, it was bad enough when Choices shut its doors. It's also the place I recently applied for a job to, too. Bugger.

I really hope they don't close.




RE: Aw crap.
By Penti on 4/8/2009 3:20:31 PM , Rating: 2
Well if they do I'm sure someone else sees the opportunity to serve those customers. Someone might even buy the same store. Or like in Sweden your gas-stations might begin renting movies or other stores. Any ways it was ages ago I rented a movie and I wouldn't suffer from having no options. The local store here has gone through various owners. Like most others stores and businesses it's natural. If someone sees an opportunity you might even get something much better. But I don't see the point of most retailers they don't do much for the community. Without that extra value why should I even go to a store? A store I don't visit or shop at don't benefit me and it's just retailing not productive jobs.


Fight fire with fire
By dubldwn on 4/7/2009 1:10:50 PM , Rating: 2
They should have Blockbuster downloads from the PS3 store. What's the hold up?




By BoFox on 4/7/2009 3:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah.. there are like 5 BB stores in my town, but most of them are like 5-6 miles away from me, spread out over a radius. So, whenever I go in a direction, I wanna drop off a movie and rent another one, but I have to go back to the same store that I rented the previous movie from. That sucks major @$$.

Right now, I'm renting about $40-50 worth of movies from Blockbuster a month. I'm getting maybe 10 Blu-ray tiles a month, plus roughly 15 DVD new-releases a month, and using an online e-coupon for a free game rental for my Wii. All of this cost me only $21.49 a month. Recently in December, BB recently charged my Paypal account 3 times for the monthly subscription, and I wanted to sue BB so badly, but my mercy won over since BB is sadly losing money on me. I have the old "unlimited" total-access plan that allows for unlimited in-store exchanges, plus 3 mailed DVD's/Blu-rays at a time. Whenever I got the movies in the mail, and finished watching them, I would take them back to BB for 3 free in-store exchanges. That way, I usually had 6 movies with me at a time from BB in total, at a time!!! Plus I would keep the game rental the entire month and then return it for a "refund" minus the restocking fee.

Now, BB recently changed its policy so that I have to return the in-store exchanges first before I can get more movies in the mail, for only 3 movies at a time in total. This policy went into effect last month. One small benefit is that I get to keep the in-store exchanges as long as I want without any charges or restocking fees, but who would want to do that at the expense of getting more online rentals?!? A very "smart" move by BB, indeed.. probably made by the new CEO.

Right now, my biggest pet-peeve about BB is that I just wanna be able to return movies to any store I want to! Even if there were a $1 "re-location" fee, I'd probably be fine with that. Man, I think that it costs BB more money to mail out movies, due to postage and cracked DVD's, and all. When BB charged my Paypal account and refused to refund me for the 3 excess charges, I cracked 3 of their DVD's in revenge... and that's probably the maximum amount allowed in a year, I would guess??

Finally, Netflix sucks. I've tried it with them 3 times before. Usually, it takes them 4-5 business days to ship a movie to me. BB does it in 1-2 business days. Most DVD's are in stock, and some Blu-ray movies are actually in stock, if not "short-wait".




On the other hand
By kyleb2112 on 4/7/2009 6:40:14 PM , Rating: 2
The big question here is how the hell they lasted so long. Did anyone in the early 90's think we'd still be lugging around physical copies of movies 20 years later?




By Golgatha on 4/7/2009 7:46:43 PM , Rating: 2
Between Redbox ($1 DVDs with plenty of locations to return the videos to and it doesn't matter where you return the DVD) and Family Video (tiered pricing for how long I think I'd like to rent the movie/game for, stocks Blu-ray for $1.15 less than BB, has better selection in my area, and rents NC-17 and XXX films), Blockbuster doesn't even compete on a local level. Now that Gamefly and Netflix fill the Online rental/streaming movie business better than Blockbuster, it is only logical that they fail.

FWIW, my local BB doesn't hardly stock popular games and their Blu-ray stock in anemic at best (few titles and like 2-3 copies of new releases). Thankfully my local Family Video started stocking Blu-ray discs for $3.85 (as opposed to $5 at BB), and they have better selection and more copies of movies in high def. Their regular movies selection is much better too and prices are lower (although they do charge late fees, but my Family Video isn't very far out of the way from our house).




Price of a DVD?
By Regs on 4/7/2009 10:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
Rent 5 + late fee and the drive, or...I can just pick one up for 15 dollars if not less and watch it once with the family and again with friends. Yes, netflix is also more convenient and cheaper.So people are more willing to spend a few dollars for the conveniance. Nothing new.




Blockbuster is a dead business
By viperpa on 4/7/2009 11:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
I use to rent from Blockbuster but not anymore because of the changes they made to there online rentals. Blockbuster use to offer a 7 movie package online until they decided to change it to 3 but also allowing you to rent in store. The reason why I got that 7 movie package was so I didn't have to run to the store and rent a movie. I didn't care if it took a couple of days to get a movie. I am not in a rush like most people who need to watch the movie right then and there.

There are the reasons why I don't go to Blockbuster:

1) The store by me was always out of the new releases. One time I had to wait almost 2 weeks to rent a movie. I don't mind waiting but that was ridiculous.

2) They kept on changing the format of the store because there wasn't any room for the new or fairly new movies. So they got rid of a lot of the older movies.

3) Couldn't reserve a movie like I was able to at my local video store.

4) They changed there online business so you can only rent 3 movies at a time.

5) The store movie exchange is worthless since Blockbuster offers more movies online than they do in the stores.

The fact is, Blockbuster can't compete with Netflix because Blockbuster has to still support there brick and mortar stores. Blockbuster can't have a total separate online business without taking away from there core business. That's why they changed over to doing a store exchange. They can get rid of there brick and mortar stores and just go online but that is taking a big gamble.

In the end, Blockbuster lost out because they didn't adjust to changing market conditions fast enough. Then they tried to play catch up but it was to late. They still wanted to keep there old business model while Netflix got ahead of the game. If Blockbuster goes away then Netflix will be the only online DVD movie rental business.




Blockbuster obsolete for me
By johnsonx on 4/8/2009 1:56:46 AM , Rating: 2
I've got Netflix for DVD's by mail. I've got Redbox for in-person rentals. I've got Netflix and Hulu on my TV. What does Blockbuster offer me to add to that? nothing. Too bad, I was a blockbuster online customer for awhile... but they took too long to get a streaming service going (did they ever get off the ground with that?), and then Redbox showed up and ate their lunch.

I'll bet someone approached blockbuster with a movie-rental kiosk idea, and of course they didn't want to cannibalize revenue at the big stores so they turned it down. Now Redbox is more than happy to take revenue from blockbuster's big stores.




Blockbuster
By Lizzard on 4/8/09, Rating: -1
RE: Blockbuster
By johnsonx on 4/8/2009 2:04:55 AM , Rating: 2
yes, let's all prop up a failing business so your boyfriend can keep his job.


RE: Blockbuster
By Penti on 4/8/2009 3:02:44 PM , Rating: 2
Just implement unemployment benefits like the rest of the civilized world. Problem solved. And let idiotic businesses dissapear, any viable part would be bought up by some one else and it will benefit the new workers working for those companies as they will be working for a well run business instead of a poorly run. It's not like the society will be hurt by some crappy video rental store gone. Every business is people but not every business is worth rescuing, you often can benefit from something new both the employees and society as a whole.


RE: Blockbuster
By Hiawa23 on 4/8/2009 9:08:29 AM , Rating: 2
People think that blocbuster is just a movie store and big deal if they close! Well, my boyfriend works there as an ASM and without his job he wouldn't be able to pay rent.

Wow, I did not think store employees made all that much money. Is this his career? I guess you & he would have to do what the Circuit City employees, or any of the 2mill plus employees did who have lost their jobs in 2009, & we know what that is.

The bottomline is this for me. It's all moot how many people rent movies at Blockbuster who may not have access to the internet cause if you are running business & it aint profitable, then we have seen first hand the last 8 months what should happen, bailoutt nonsense aside. I am not saying I want anyone to lose their jobs but in a free market society, the companies who can't remain profitable ought to go out of business or restructure so they can, or maybe the govt should give them a bailout, too,LOL.


screw Lackluster Video
By walk2k on 4/7/09, Rating: -1
RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Spivonious on 4/7/2009 1:41:14 PM , Rating: 3
So because they didn't rent porn you want them out of business? Are you 12?


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By walk2k on 4/7/09, Rating: -1
RE: screw Lackluster Video
By hiscross on 4/7/09, Rating: -1
RE: screw Lackluster Video
By themengsk176 on 4/7/2009 2:05:40 PM , Rating: 3
I love it when an overwhelming majority demographic in a population convinces itself that it is being oppressed by a tiny minority.

I really do.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By jcbond on 4/7/2009 2:17:23 PM , Rating: 3
I have to wonder which poster you actually mean by this reply. ;-)


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By walk2k on 4/7/2009 2:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
Oh geez, nothing wrong with being christian. The point is BB has too much power in the industry (or they used to...) that it creates a chilling effect if they say they won't carry certain types of movies.

Good riddance, I say.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By callmeroy on 4/7/2009 2:31:09 PM , Rating: 2
yep really wouldn't impact me much either -- I don't rent much to begin with so its not like a habit i'd have to break or anything....and I mostly buy my dvd's from bestbuy these days.

(Side note i just noticed last week they tour down the BB around the corner from me...so I guess they really are starting to go under).


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Reclaimer77 on 4/7/2009 4:47:50 PM , Rating: 2
Walk I don't think you understand how things work.

Blockbuster is a large business. They are not operating to put forth some conspiritorial Christian viewpoint, they are there to make money.

Large businesses get complaints by individuals, and usually, they act on them. This isn't about Blockbuster wielding "too much power" man, are you daft ? BlockBuster didn't decide to take certain titles off their shelves for the hell of it, they did it because some beancounter somewhere decided the complaints, if left unresolved, could result in a loss of net profits.

Remember, the greasy wheel always gets the oil. As long as the silent majority stays silent, the vocal minority will always wield more power.

Want an example ? There is a BBQ chain where I live called Sonny's.. not the best BBQ, but I digress. Every Halloween they decorate their stores with scary spiders and spooky ghosts hanging from the lights and rafters. Except last Halloween. Asking the waitress about it in passing, she informed me that the previous Halloween one child got terrified of the decoration. That childs parents complained to headquarters. And voila, just like that, no more Halloween decorations. Chain wide ! Because of ONE customers complaints !


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Boze on 4/7/2009 6:28:28 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds more like Sonny's should have recommended therapy for the child and kept the Halloween decorations.

The majority should never be deprived of something because it angers or offends the minority...

For some damn reason, more and more people in the United States are starting to believe they have the right not to be offended... pretty damn reprehensible for a nation whose Founding Fathers were masters of inflammatory speech.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Reclaimer77 on 4/7/2009 6:37:22 PM , Rating: 2
You won't get an argument from me. But there it is. /shrug


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By walk2k on 4/7/2009 6:50:26 PM , Rating: 1
Sorry but it's you who doesn't understand "chilling effect" Look it up some time. It's unfortunately all too real.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Boze on 4/7/2009 7:05:20 PM , Rating: 2
Well I looked up "chilling effect".

And you're using it incorrectly.

From Wikipedia: (of course, I'm too lazy to consult a proper source)

quote:
A chilling effect is a term in law and communication which describes a situation where speech or conduct is suppressed by fear of penalization at the interests of an individual or group. It may prompt self-censorship and therefore hamper free speech. Since many attacks rely on libel law, the term libel chill is also often used.


What you were talking about has nothing to do with "chilling effect". Not carrying a movie because they believe it goes against their "family-friendly" policy is hardly a chilling effect.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By walk2k on 4/7/2009 7:30:57 PM , Rating: 1
Yes it is. If BB or Walmart won't carry it, it won't get made, not by any major hollywood studio that's for sure.

That's a chilling effect. It's pretty simple.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By C'DaleRider on 4/7/2009 8:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
It's the SQUEAKY wheel gets the grease, not the greasy wheel gets the oil.

A greasy wheel would essentially be silent...so would not direct any attention to itself.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By callmeroy on 4/7/2009 2:25:51 PM , Rating: 2
To the OP -- I don't rent much from BB but I do rent some -- if you asked me for an average , probably a movie every 3 months (I normally watch movies in the theater or someone's house - then if I like it i buy it - not rent it)...but in all those years -- I see the same normal versions of the movies that you get if you buy the theatrical release version of the movie on DVD...so I really don't get the censorship thing at all. If you are honestly upset that they don't rent porn - that's just silly, its a family rental business -- there's about 8.2 billion porn video stores across the country you mean to tell me you can't find one near you?

Secondly to "hiscross" -- don't worry, I also consider myself Christian -- though by "strict" Catholic standards I'd be called a very laid back Christian I guess. I do believe and do have faith and I try to understand more about it every day. But I also know how people are very standoffish about religion and look at it like you are the "icky monster" in the room once you mention it...so don't get take it personally when folks ridicule you or what not for voicing your belief.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By callmeroy on 4/7/2009 2:28:29 PM , Rating: 1
lol interesting observation....it appears key words trigger the auto downgrade -- guess the site really wants to discourage relgious debate....lol (can't say I blame them though)


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By grath on 4/7/2009 3:07:20 PM , Rating: 2
The auto-downgrade happens because it is a reply to a post that was already -1 as a way to discourage feeding the trolls and lengthy pointless arguments, not due to any filter or trigger in the content.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By walk2k on 4/7/2009 4:01:00 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it's just a handful of cave-trolls with dozens of DT accounts who sit around and downrate messages they don't agree with. It usually backfires though, who doesn't like to read the nice shiny bright RED messages? :) It's like staring at cleavage, you know you shouldn't but you just can't look away.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By noirsoft on 4/7/2009 5:13:03 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It just cements my belief in why this Sunday is so important not only only to me, but to mankind


I agree. The world would be much better off if people realized that this Sunday was originally a celebration of the Pagan goddess Eostre, and that the festival was co-opted (like Yule as Christmas) by the Christian religion in order to make it easier to convert the masses by letting them continue to celebrate their holidays, just under a slightly different name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eostre


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By AstroCreep on 4/7/2009 2:32:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Blockbuster censors some of their movies and flat out doesn't carry anything which offends their conservative christian worldview.

Didn't (or "Doesn't") Wal*Mart carry censored versions of DVDs and CDs in-place of the "Regular" versions?
I remember Best Buy did the same thing back in '98 when I went to buy a Rob Zombie CD - they only carried a censored version, then gave me crap for wanting a refund because they didn't carry the one I intended on purchasing, nor did the CD say "Radio Edits" or anything.

Not that I am defending or saying I enjoy Best Buy, Wal*Mart, or Blockbuster, mind you... :p


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By BigPeen on 4/7/09, Rating: 0
RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Farva on 4/7/2009 5:39:00 PM , Rating: 1
Dude, you're an idiot. Blockbuster carries that Doubt movie that just came out about Catholics sleeping with little boys, Bill Mahers "Religulous," numerous "special interest" titles about religion and however many Michael Moore movies there are. Do you get all of your facts from Family Guy?


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By walk2k on 4/7/2009 7:11:28 PM , Rating: 2
Dude you're the idiot. See "The Last Temptation of Christ" in your local Blockbuster anywhere? Didn't think so.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By redeem4god on 4/7/2009 3:14:29 PM , Rating: 3
This person did not specifically mention anything about porn. you are assuming and being one dimentional. Blockbuster fails to encorporate MANY movie variations and/or themes.

There is also nothing wrong with being christian and liking a store because they DON'T carry that type . However, they fail to carry even christian, (no Da Vince code was not christian it was complete fiction/fantasy) films as well.

What most people do forget is that in order to carry porn it would require a different business class license and restrictions as far as locations etc etc.

Blockbuster is simply a horrible business.


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Spivonious on 4/7/2009 3:43:42 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know what your local store is like, but when I worked there we got all of the "Unrated Extras" versions of new releases. As far as not carrying certain titles, there's only so much space on the shelf. Can you give an example of a movie that you couldn't find because BB had purposely not purchased any copies?


RE: screw Lackluster Video
By Boze on 4/7/2009 6:25:31 PM , Rating: 2
I sort of agree with him on this...

Its not the responsibility of Blockbuster Video to ensure that patrons are renting titles that are appropriate for their age and values - that's the responsibility of the individual consumer and/or his/her parents.

I have the same issue with Wal-Mart not carrying music that has Parental Advisory - Explicit Lyrics on it, and instead opting for editing "clean" versions.

A parent should know at all times what their children are doing - without being overbearing - and a parent (or parents) should also have instilled values of morality into that child.

Leave the parenting to the parents... not government, and certainly not corporations.


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