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Rights groups fear a dangerous shift in precedent

MDY Industries, makers of the World of Warcraft-playing bot MMOGlider, lost a lawsuit against WoW developer Blizzard Entertainment – and the decision is set to put the pinch on players who choose to automate their MMORPG playtime.

In its suit, Blizzard accused MDY Industries of committing, or enabling its users to commit, a variety of legal sins against World of Warcraft and the End User License Agreement (EULA) that users are forced to sign if they wish to play. One claim alleged that MDY tortiously interfered with the contractual relationship between Blizzard and its users, while another claims that World of Warcraft players who use Glider infringe on Blizzard’s copyrights. U.S. District Judge David Campbell of the Arizona District Court sided with Blizzard on these claims, ruling against MDY with a motion for summary judgment that short-circuits the case before going to trial.

Campbell rejected a third claim, however, that would have found MDY in violation of the DMCA for providing countermeasures to circumvent technological protections built into World of Warcraft’s programming code.

Blizzard’s second claim proved to be the most controversial, with a variety of commentators and public rights group stepping in to support MDY’s position. The argument essentially claims that players are only allowed to load World of Warcraft into their computer’s RAM when they comply with the terms of the game’s EULA – which includes rules forbidding the use of bots or other programs to hack the game. According to Blizzard, when a player loads WoW into RAM with Glider, he or she is breaking those terms; ergo, absent of their compliance with the EULA, copying the game into RAM is then unauthorized and an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights.

Both MDY and copyright-reform action group Public Knowledge attempted to refute that claim, citing the so-called “section 117 defense,” which allows “owners” of a computer program to copy it freely for the purposes of executing the software – regardless of whether or not the developer authorizes it. An amicus curiae (“friend of the court”) letter from Public Knowledge (PDF) called Blizzard’s claims unjustified, accusing the game developer of “[attempting] to use contract to alter and displace those aspects of copyright law it does not like, while using copyright penalties to … enforce the terms of that alteration.”

Campbell’s rejection (PDF) of MDY’s “section 117” defense notes two important points: first, that the Arizona district court’s hands are tied due to Ninth Circuit precedence, and secondly, WoW users do not “own” the copy since the game’s license agreement enforces strict limitations on how the game can be used.

The decision sets a bold precedent, augmenting the power of copyright holders. Since nearly all software sold enforces limitations on how it can be used via a lengthy EULA – as does most open-source software, via the GPL and similar licenses – software users may lose their entitlement as “owner” of that copy and be strictly bound to its terms. According to Public Knowledge and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, this is directly contrary to the intent and writing of current copyright law.

“As Public Knowledge explained in its brief, Blizzard's theory confuses a copyright holder's intellectual property rights in the software it develops with a buyer's rights in the actual copy of the software,” reads a blog entry at the EFF’s website.

“The logical implication of the holding is that any time you buy software … [developers] can always use license agreements to prevent you from ever having full control over your software and taking advantage of standard copyright limitations (such as the right to sell your copy [Section 109 of the Copyright Act] or the right to make copies necessary for use of the software [Section 117]). You can buy it, but you can’t own it.”

While Campbell appreciated and recognized PK’s arguments, his order flatly states that he is “not free to disregard Ninth Circuit precedent directly on point.”

It is unknown as to whether or not MDY will attempt to appeal the decision – although the EFF expects an appeals court to address the issue “in the near term.”

At the time of this writing, an evaluation version of Glider remains freely downloadable from its website.



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Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By CSQuake on 7/16/2008 4:42:48 AM , Rating: 1
Cheating whichever way you look at the code, almost ruins games and the gaming experience. Counterstrike 1.0 - 1.6 is a prime example, in early 2k we had to have more than one admin per UK server on the most popular server farms just to cope with the ever increasing problem of cheaters and kiddy scripts. Most competitive online games have been affected by cheating.

I don't see a problem with the ruling as long as it is used to purely defeat assholes who won't play fair. If you buy the game, then you agree to the rules, otherwise **** off!




RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By piroroadkill on 7/16/2008 7:51:45 AM , Rating: 2
Gliding only gives you an economics edge though, to be any good at WoW requires you to.. be good at WoW, and no amount of using Glider will change that - it's completely different from Counterstrike and such, where you would use an aimbot to headshot everyone - thus giving the appearance of mad skills.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By CSQuake on 7/16/2008 8:55:59 AM , Rating: 1
Hmm, I would rather see the two as the same.

Glider, automates your game.

Aimbots, automate your game.

You can airbrush it as much as you like, but to me, its all the same.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By CSQuake on 7/16/2008 9:01:02 AM , Rating: 1
To detail Glider a bit better - "Glider is a tool that plays your World of Warcraft character for you, the way you want it. It grinds, it loots, it skins, it heals, it even farms soul shards... without you."


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By FITCamaro on 7/16/2008 9:11:20 AM , Rating: 3
Sounds like its better than an aimbot. You don't have to play the game with it on.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By tallcool1 on 7/16/2008 10:03:59 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, its a hack / cheat or whatever you want to call it and should not be allowed. The whole purpose of any game is to actually play it for enjoyment. If you do not enjoy it or that aspect of the game, then don't play.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By Souka on 7/16/08, Rating: -1
By Mojo the Monkey on 7/16/2008 1:04:33 PM , Rating: 5
So you're the jerk that ruined my fun.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By Durrr on 7/16/2008 2:43:41 PM , Rating: 1
I always loved the map with the house and a sewer you could run through underneath.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By MrBlastman on 7/16/2008 1:23:43 PM , Rating: 5
What's the point in paying for a game just to use a program to play it for you?

You are paying for the computer to entertain itself? I mean really? What's the point?


By Spookster on 7/16/2008 5:05:17 PM , Rating: 2
People that use those bots use it to build up the experience levels of a character and then sell the account to someone who doesn't want to have to start from scratch. They also use the bots to build up WoW gold and then sell it for real money to people that don't want to have to acquire the WoW gold the hard way.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By Boze on 7/17/2008 7:24:08 AM , Rating: 1
Unfortunately, you obviously do not know enough about World of Warcraft to give an informed opinion on this.

I used to use Glider a long time ago, initially because I had leveled up three characters to level 60 before the first expansion pack was released, and the thought of going through the game yet again doing the same old quests just to try out a new class at endgame did not appeal to me. Glider allowed me bring up one of each class to 60 to enjoy the endgame without the toil of grinding out levels and quests I'd done three times over. Ironically, even Jeffery Kaplan (Tigole) has stated that he wishes there was some way you could insta-level a character to max level once you've brought up one or two characters. Glider allowed for that.

For about five months I tried the PVE endgame of raiding (pre-BC). By the time my guild was seriously working on Naxxramas, I was looking at two to three hours of farming for gold just to afford repair bills and potions for the next night of raiding. Players familiar to WOW know that Blizzard, more or less, fixed this problem in-game by instituting daily quests that are quick to do and easily to accomplish, which eliminated one of the primary uses of Glider that I saw in my guild. After raiding for a few hours a night and having fun, do you really want to spend an equal amount of time just to have the virtual currency to try again tomorrow? Of course not, there's nothing fun about that.

As a result of the institution of daily quests, I stopped using Glider quite some time ago, as I just didn't see the need anymore. However, until Blizzard implements a straight-to-max-level, or near-straight-to-max-level option for established account holders, Glider use will probably continue, or at least Glider-like application use, although the lowered experience cost to level from 10 to 60 was supposed to ease the leveling of another character.

TLDR Version:

The existence of Glider was/is a direct result of Blizzard's inability to make the game "fun" in a long-term sense, especially where PVE content is concerned, which has, for the most part, been remedied.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By jklauderdale on 7/16/2008 10:02:22 AM , Rating: 3
So you're paying money in order to NOT play a game that you pay money to play?

How does that even make sense?


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By hrah20 on 7/16/2008 12:44:15 PM , Rating: 2
lol, seriously why play at all.


By The0ne on 7/17/2008 2:12:40 AM , Rating: 2
It makes sense because of one simple word.."addiction". Players will do whatever it takes to get their enjoyment out of it. And if there's demand, there's supply :D


By MightyAA on 7/17/2008 11:50:10 AM , Rating: 2
You don't get it. Leveling once you've done it a couple times is not fun... it's repetition on a massive scale. Endgame play is fun with friends. But, as a casual player to self level from 0-70 and equip your character is about a 4 month process or more. You'll have to do this for each class you want to play. On top of this, the game is heavily reliant on equipment which cost gold and a ton of gathering materials... grinding to achieve that also takes a serious amount of time.

It is absolutely nothing like a fps hack. A fps hack is developed to hack the game code (unlimited ammo, armor, aimbot, maphacks, etc.). If you were to compare it, imagine having to finish the single player mode of your favorite fps game so you could create a online account. Now make the single player mode like having to finish oblivion where it'd take you months. Would you consider using a bot to bypass that requirement so you could play the "real game"?

There's a reason WoW accounts sell for $600+... A lot of people want to bypass the endless months of grinding to play the best parts of the game with friends.


By omnicronx on 7/16/2008 10:22:55 AM , Rating: 3
CS: player owned servers
WOW: Blizzard owned servers

Yes they are both cheating, but Blizzards networking model allows them a lot more wiggle room in terms of what rules they may put in place. You are paying for a service, not the game, this is why it is not the same.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By omnicronx on 7/16/2008 10:11:38 AM , Rating: 1
Cheating is cheating.. theres no other way to put it. This comes as no surprise either, in the days of UO (the original MMORPG), using macro programs to have your player gain experience, or gather resources was considered against your contract, and if you were caught you would get a strike, two and your account is suspended. This was 10+ years ago!! Being an online game, and the fact you are using blizzards servers, you are required to follow the rules they set in place if you want to play the game, whether you like it or not.

I really don't see this as setting a precedent either, you are still going to be legally allowed to execute any local game on your computer and do what you wish with it.

Also the difference between a game like WOW and CS is that servers are still player run, and not run by valve or the steam system, and thus other than banning your steam account, they probably have no legal right to stop you from using 'aimbots' on your computer, especially since it can be run as a single player game.


By MightyAA on 7/17/2008 1:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
"Cheating is Cheating".. agreed, but there is a lot of varying degrees of cheating. Bypassing the startup game video's is cheating. Using in game bugs and glitches is cheating. But it isn't the same degree as using a wall hack, aim bot, and map hack.

Where does glider fit in? In my mind, it is a necessary evil. Blizzard was doing a good job at weeding through them on a somewhat regular basis, but not enough to keep them from selling their wares on the auction house. Botters kept the AH full of normally used mats at reasonable prices. So players like me could earn gold doing dailies and buy these mats for our talents. So, without botters, inflation has become a major issue (low level mats cost more than high level ones right now). So it's rather like wiping out Walmart, Target, and all the other big box retailers... now you have smaller selection and high prices with nothing to keep prices in check since all the bulk sellers are now gone. Bots were automated, so 12 hours of grinding wasn't a big deal. Are you planning on grinding 12 hours so I can get my mats for my enchant on that epic I picked up raiding or for the mats we need for our potions? Doubtfull, and doubtfull many others would want to either. That's why we needed bots. Someone has to do what we don't want to do. Like it or not, the economy plays a big part in WoW, and if you screw with it too much, players won't enjoy "working" aspect of the game instead of playing.


By othercents on 7/16/2008 10:27:56 AM , Rating: 5
I had plenty of admins who abused their powers in Counterstrike just because I was much better than them. I spent months perfecting my game to the point that every shot I made was a headshot, but because of this I was consistently kicked from servers for "cheating". I even got kicked from a server that was housed at a cybercafe that I was playing at.

This isn't the main issue of this article then. People should not cheat, but taking rights away from someone who purchased a product is unthinkable. It would be the same as a movie studio requiring you to sign a user agreement before purchasing their video. At that point the user agreement takes away all of your rights as a consumer. You can't sell it and you can't make a backup. What if automobile manufactures did the same thing? Then you wouldn't be able to mod your vehicle because you didn't own it or even sell it when you wanted something new.

There should have been a better way to shutdown glide then making a president that would allow all other manufacturers to take away consumer rights.

Other


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By Polynikes on 7/16/2008 11:16:00 AM , Rating: 5
You're missing the point. They're trying to say that violating the EULA by using a bot is an infringement of copyright. So theoretically they could take users to court a la RIAA for cheating. I don't mind them closing accounts of cheaters, that's what they should do, but winning this case means they could take their punishments much too far.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By masher2 (blog) on 7/16/2008 11:21:03 AM , Rating: 5
> "I don't mind them closing accounts of cheaters, that's what they should do, but winning this case means they could take their punishments much too far."

Just so. There is a serious issue here and Blizzard, in my opinion, has far overstepped the line.

Blizzard -- rather than taking action directly against the cheaters -- has chosen to help set a legal precedent making it illegal to distribute tools which someone might use to cheat. A very dangerous precedent, I might add.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By omnicronx on 7/16/2008 12:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
God forbid that it should be illegal to be able to cheat in online ONLY games... notice the ONLY! Cheating ruins these games, if you don't have the time to be playing them to level up your characters, then you have no business playing it in the first place. Bots and macro programs ruined MMORPGS such as UO and there is no place for it in this genre of games. It ruins the in game economy, and lowers the amount of new users as it takes far longer to get into the game when others have unlimited resources.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By masher2 (blog) on 7/16/2008 12:52:26 PM , Rating: 5
You miss the point. No one is supporting cheating. Ban cheaters..prosecute them if you wish. But when one takes the further step illegalizes software -- or even information -- which might be used to cheat, you've taken a head-first plunge down a long and slippery slope.


By Mojo the Monkey on 7/16/2008 1:08:38 PM , Rating: 3
correct. Imagine the legal limbo one would find themselves in for exploiting an obvious bug in the game, which may or may not violate the EULA. More interestingly, what kind of legal challenge could they bring against someone who publicizes and spreads awareness of the exploit on a website? We quickly run into the 1st amendment issues and all kinds of trouble.

I agree that we should keep gaming and the [real] legal world, separate.


By omnicronx on 7/16/2008 3:01:40 PM , Rating: 2
Did I miss something?
quote:
Blizzard accused MDY Industries of committing, or enabling its users to commit, a variety of legal sins against World of Warcraft and the End User License Agreement (EULA) that users are forced to sign if they wish to play.
This ruling does not take steps to illegalize software, it takes steps to make it illegal to use software in which you signed an EULA stating that you would not take place in such activities. I don't own, nor have I ever played WOW, according to the ruling I can download and distribute this software as I please.

Take a step back, and think of what kind of companies would implement such rules into their EULA. The only ones that come to mind are exclusively online games. There would be outrage, and boycotts/lawsuits for that matter if gaming companies tried to implement such rules into games which you legally own, such as pretty much any single player game, or game with single player ability.

As such it is my opinion that this ruling effectively only punishes those who are cheating, which is the very thing you are supporting. Now if you can explain to me how a game like Crysis in which there is pretty much no way of EA saying that you legally do not own the game can implement something like this into their EULA, my ears will be open. I just feel that this article describes a situation in which game devs' will have the ability to stop us from executing any type of custom code on our computers, and I just don't think this is the case.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By omnicronx on 7/16/2008 3:18:09 PM , Rating: 1
Hmmmmm.. upon further reading, I am going to have to jump ship here and agree with you 100%. It appears that this case goes far beyond even using illegal software. Blizzards defense was that users do not own copies of the game because it is a licensed product and as such they are exempt from Section 117 of the Copyright Act which "An owner of software has a right to copy it if that copy is essential to the customer's use of the software. ".

Now from this point on what is going to stop pretty much any company from saying their game is a licensed product, single/multiplayer, or whatever it may be. By this ruling, we could apparently be on the hook for any rules that you agree too in their EULA with penalties up to 150K per violation.


By rykerabel on 7/16/2008 4:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
Lack of a recurring monthly fee.


By flydian on 7/16/2008 6:39:56 PM , Rating: 2
The thing is, you can still use the software any way you want on your own computer. In fact, you can download and install the game for FREE direct from Blizzard if you want to, and do anything you want to it. What this is addressing is what you're doing when connecting to THEIR servers. That's where the EULA kicks in, and this possible violation occurs.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By CascadingDarkness on 7/16/2008 1:07:58 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not sure why so many comments are focused on cheating, as that's not biggest part of the story. By this precedent a company can both create and enforce anything they want via EULA. If the wording ended at cheating I would be all for it, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

From this precedent I suspect Warez/Crack sites will be opened as targets. Cracks 'alter' the copyright owner's work.

Before someone brings up pirating I crack every game I own so I don't need the disc to run it.

The owner now has rights to have anything that alters their game pulled down as you don't have a right to make changes to it; even though you bought it.

Another point would be Mods. I know a number of games that have been modded by communities where that ability wasn't designed to be part of the game by copyright owners.

My point being, this could be good, if you're naive enough to think it will only be used to stop cheaters. It opens a door very wide to allow copyright owners ability to conduct any witch hunts they want; depending how cleverly they word their EULAs.

What is the statute of limitations on what they can put in an EULA and have enforced?

I suppose that can only be decided through courts when suits are brought, but I shiver thinking what EA and other companies with shades of gray might think up.


By Polynikes on 7/17/2008 9:46:46 AM , Rating: 2
It is scary, indeed. A lot of great games didn't have mod tools released, so the users had to make their own to mod the game. A perfect example is Fallout 2, and to a lesser extent Fallout. Users had to reverse-engineer the game to make their own tools for modding. Aside from the games being so good, this is the only reason those games still get played by many people.

And cracks, well, I'm sick of swapping CDs/DVDs. I use them as well.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By iNGEN on 7/16/2008 4:38:30 PM , Rating: 2
This really is a big deal. There is a material difference between server operators banning cheaters and suing them.

Just watch, over the next few years hundreds of dollar squeezing attorneys are going to pack civil court dockets with arguments about what constitutes a fair definition of cheating.


By CSQuake on 7/16/2008 9:07:40 PM , Rating: 2
Bring it on. It's about time the online industry was brought into touch. We'll never get a serious online gaming sports industry working without legislation and rules. If cheaters get sued ... I wont shed any tears.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By Some1ne on 7/16/2008 3:31:46 PM , Rating: 2
All you people talking about how you support this ruling because of how much you despise cheaters are completely missing the point. Yes, cheaters suck, but this ruling makes it illegal to cheat. Moreover, it also makes it illegal to develop tools that people can use to cheat, even if the developer of the tools never cheats themselves. Both of those things are royally screwed up.

If Blizzard doesn't want cheaters or bot users/developers on its network, then fine, let Blizzard come up with a way to detect when people are cheating and/or using bots, and then disable their accounts. They could even require the use of something like PunkBuster, which runs client-side whenever someone runs the game, and checks to make sure they aren't running any suspicious apps. But attempting to criminalize cheating is not a reasonable approach to take.

What if the same logic was applied to professional sports? What if instead of sending the offending player to the penalty box for a few minutes, or awarding a free shot to the opposing team, the player in violation of the rules was thrown in jail? Would that really make the sport any better? Would it really be just to do something like that? The answer would seem to be no, as instead of pursuing legal action against players who break the rules, professional sports leagues just implement their own system of penalties for bad conduct. That's what Blizzard should have done, instead of striving to use the legal system to do the work for them.

To be clear, what this ruling does is it allows software companies to arbitrarily redefine the rules of copyright through their EULA agreements (you know, those hugely long things that you agree to without even reading every time you install a peice of software). It allows Blizzard to strip people who have legitimately purchased software of their rights as consumers, and it allows them to prosecute as criminals anyone who is doing anything they don't like (from cheating to reverse engineering for purposes of compatibility to making a backup copy for personal use). The ruling has far greater implications than just the removal of a few cheaters from WoW, and anyone who would say "I support this decision because I hate cheaters" is incredibly short-sighted.


RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By CSQuake on 7/16/08, Rating: 0
RE: Grats Bliz, keep up the good work
By The0ne on 7/17/2008 2:18:59 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry to burst your bubble but you will NEVER be rid of aholes in games or anywhere for that matter. Even if you clone yourself and had only yourself playing the game, there will be aholes.

While I'm quite happy with the ruling I'm sure modders doing it for legal reasons will not be very happy.


By CSQuake on 7/17/2008 6:57:33 AM , Rating: 2
You're right of course, there will always be a'holes in the world and certainly online. A perfect reflection of life in terms of personalities. Maybe my post should have read 'less aholes'.

I'm not sure how this would effect modders negatively because modders have always been supported by devs that release games with modding potential, and this will always be the case.


By rustyego on 7/20/2008 6:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
It occures to me that someone who can justify using a Bot to level their toon without playing to get to the end game content is missing the point. If they want to try out a different class on end game content how exactly are they going to be any good at it? I would love to face someone who has used a BOT to level their toon in PVP action. It would be truely one sided as at this time I know how to play my Hunter with great ease but the mage or lock or warrior that used Glider to level their toon would most likely blow badly. They might have Gold then me...not really I am doing fine there actually...but I bet I could beat a botter any day. Whats the point? and in reguards to the decision I totally support it but am leary of the end result of this ruling as it might tend to give Blizzard a little to much control over the people playing the game....I have seen this struggle in Eve as well with Macro Miners...I deal with that by stealing their ore from the Jettison cannisters before the macro program can get the hauler up there to unload it...Macro miner 0 me 1 and richer!


By EricMartello on 7/16/2008 4:20:58 PM , Rating: 2
Using WoW Glide =/= Cheating. Cheating would be ALTERING the game in such a way as to give you an unfair advantage. For example, if you could somehow inflate your char stats to give yourself a million HP or unlimited Mana...THAT'S cheating.

Glider never altered the game, it didn't even change the data stored in the RAM. All Glider did was grind...it's PvP capability is non-existent. If you were to attack a player controlled by Glider, it'd be easier than killing a mob.

MANY kinds of people enjoy WoW or other MMORPGs...the key problem is that these games favor the losers who have no life and can devote countless hours PER DAY playing, to level up and get items and gold. Casual players are brushed aside, stuck with second rate gear and less buying power.

The irony here is that Glider, if anything, induced the OPPOSITE effect of cheating. Rather than displacing the playing field and giving one person an unfair advantage - Glider gives the casual player a FAIR advantage by leveling the playing field.

Who is whining the most? Probably the people who play WoW too much! You wasted countless hours of your life in front of a video game and you're angry when someone who values their time more than you wants to ENJOY said game, but is unwilling to give up a meaningful social life to do so.

It's a shame that Glider is being taken down, because it not only helps casual gamers..it also benefits people with disabilities. Writing it off as a cheat is narrow-minded...don't get angry when you realize how worthless it is to spend big hours playing an MMORPG while failing at all other aspects of your life. It's not Glider's fault.




By CSQuake on 7/16/2008 10:01:04 PM , Rating: 1
"Cheating would be ALTERING the game in such a way as to give you an unfair advantage." ... nice explanation of what Glider achieves for people, I'm glad we agree it is a cheat. It alters how the game is played, and this has a knock on effect for others in the game. Thereby altering their experiences. Fair?

"Glider never altered the game" ... see above.

"the key problem is that these games favor the losers who have no life and can devote countless hours PER DAY playing, to level up and get items and gold. Casual players are brushed aside, stuck with second rate gear and less buying power." ... good grief, that is the nature of MMO's, you have to put the time in to achieve anything. Just think of those "no life"'ers achieving nothing more than a +20damage rare-loot-sword, while you are busy at achieving a proper life. Good lad.

"The irony here is that Glider, if anything, induced the OPPOSITE effect of cheating. Rather than displacing the playing field and giving one person an unfair advantage - Glider gives the casual player a FAIR advantage by leveling the playing field." ... no, the strange thing is that you think you can leave Glider playing the game for you, while there are people out there devoting their precious time to play the game - fair? strange fairness.

"It's not Glider's fault" ... no, its people like you who see reason for its value.

Is it bundled in the Warcraft box? No. Then it's not part of the game.


By EricMartello on 7/17/2008 2:28:01 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
nice explanation of what Glider achieves for people, I'm glad we agree it is a cheat. It alters how the game is played, and this has a knock on effect for others in the game. Thereby altering their experiences. Fair?


Tell me, how does it ALTER how the game is played? What difference does it make to WoW if the game is being played by a bot OR a human, as long as both are playing WITHIN the limits established by the game. Please clearly demonstrate an adverse effect that someone using Glider has had on you, or a player you know, that has hindered your ability to play the game.

quote:
good grief, that is the nature of MMO's, you have to put the time in to achieve anything. Just think of those "no life"'ers achieving nothing more than a +20damage rare-loot-sword, while you are busy at achieving a proper life. Good lad.


The people who don't have time to devote to playing the game have opted to allow Glider to do so on their behalf. It's no different than a father allowing his child to play WoW, to level his char up or whatever, while the father goes to work. You're not making a convincing case to paint Glider as the "cheating tool" some people claim it to be. It's simply an alternative method of playing a game. It still takes the same amount of time within the game for a player using glider, vs a player playing endlessly. The only difference is that with Glider, the player is free to do other things.

quote:
no, the strange thing is that you think you can leave Glider playing the game for you, while there are people out there devoting their precious time to play the game - fair? strange fairness.


Whether you play a game or not is YOUR choice. Glider is not limited to select individuals, anyone who wants to use it can. Simply choosing NOT to use glider does not make people who use Glider unfairly advantaged. It's also obvious their time is not so precious if they squander so much of it playing a game.

quote:
no, its people like you who see reason for its value. Is it bundled in the Warcraft box? No. Then it's not part of the game.


Hahaha...your general rebuttals were weak, however this one takes the cake. So if it's not part of the original software, it's not part of the game and according to you - must be cheating. What about all the freely available addons? They're not part of the original game...and in fact, some add-ons DO give players an unfair advantage over players who do not use them. Think old-school DeCursive.

To summarize your response, you're saying, "It's cheating cuz I don't use it and it's not originally part of the game." Sorry, but "cheat" has a definition and Glider does not in any way enable cheating. It does, however, procure a lot of nerd rage and whining.


By CSQuake on 7/17/2008 7:23:39 AM , Rating: 2
"Hahaha...your general rebuttals were weak, however this one takes the cake. So if it's not part of the original software, it's not part of the game and according to you - must be cheating. What about all the freely available addons? They're not part of the original game...and in fact, some add-ons DO give players an unfair advantage over players who do not use them. Think old-school DeCursive."

Seriously Mr pro-cheater, the freely available add-ons you mention ARE supported by Blizzard devs and are as such not a cheat. Glider is not supported, never has been, and never will be and as such is a cheat. Get over it. It certainly does give an unfair advantage and it certainly does affect the economy in WoW. If you can't see that then you are blind to it and need to read up.


By Boze on 7/17/2008 7:35:52 AM , Rating: 2
While I agree wholeheartedly that Glider does affect the economy, I disagree that gives you an unfair advantage. An unfair advantage is one that other players cannot employ for themselves, when in fact, anyone could purchase Glider and set it up and negate that unfair advantage you speak of. All it took was $20. (Or was it $25? I can't remember...)

At any rate, Glider is an automation tool which had the side effect of inflating the economy. Why did players need mountains of gold in the first place? Repair bills, consumable items, purchasing power to acquire items from the top tier guilds, etc., there are a myriad of reasons, but Glider is a symptom of the root problem, not the cause of the problem.


By CSQuake on 7/17/2008 7:53:29 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, I use steroids in my sports career, it isn't unfair though because you have the option to buy them too ... but does it make it reasonable?

My problem is I'm a purist, and I know I need to work on that because it makes me a terrible debater :)


By MightyAA on 7/17/2008 1:31:07 PM , Rating: 2
lol.. not even in the same realm. So, I'll jump on your level: You spent countless hours picking parts for your computer, overclocking, tuning and modding it. You probably know your machine inside and out. You probably take a lot of pride in it. I bought a new computer. End result is that we can both play the same games and I'm not significantly hindered by bypassing the efforts you went through. Deal with it.


By CSQuake on 7/17/2008 3:23:11 PM , Rating: 2
Congratulations. You beat me fair and square by using a legallly accepted way of getting a PC. Now take your unsupported Glider and shove it up your ass. Cheers. Now I'll step off your level.


By MightyAA on 7/17/2008 4:07:46 PM , Rating: 2
Um.. no. Most manufacturer's do not allow you to tamper with hardware or drivers. You are violating their "agreements" with you using their products. Now that Blizzard has this agreement, will NVidia sue RivaTuner for providing users a way to modify their software?


By CSQuake on 7/17/2008 5:29:55 PM , Rating: 2
Of course not, if they had any angst towards the company then they would have shown it years ago, tweaking is considered the norm and has been for years. No hardware company gives a rats ass if you overclock or mod drivers, why? Because if it breaks it's your fault - you devoid the warranty - you have to buy a new part. Oh, and did you also forget to notice that CPU's, RAM, mobo's, and GFX all come with overclocking features, multipliers, etc?! There is only one case where a hardware manufacturer got uptight about their drivers being modded - Daniel K and Creative ... and we all know why.


By bodar on 7/17/2008 11:45:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There is only one case where a hardware manufacturer got uptight about their drivers being modded - Daniel K and Creative ... and we all know why.


Dumbass, you just proved your opponent's point. This ruling sets legal precedent that Daniel K's actions (tweaking Creative's drivers to allow Vista support for older cards) are copyright infringement and would make Daniel liable for damages if Creative took him to court.

I don't like cheaters either, but this tactic is overkill. Where does it end?


By CSQuake on 7/18/2008 5:04:54 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry ... did I miss something? Creative got shot down by most users on truck loads of forums, to the point people were saying to boycott them. Creative had to back down due to their devious sales BS. And the end result was? ... So common sense won in the end and a companies decision was made 'by the people' to allow the drivers to go ahead. Now inject the court ruling into what happened. Creative try to use the legal loophole to forge ahead with their BS - the users shoot them down, boycott them, slag them off in truck loads of forums ... they go bust or back down. Common sense wins again.


By Boze on 7/17/2008 5:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
Unsupported should not equal against the Terms of Service. Automation is very different from cheating, CSQuake. Let's use your sports example. Say you and I host a race together. Let's say that we establish the participants must use our cars and only our cars, although they may create their own car add-ons to enhance the functionality of the car, as long as it does not improve the performance of the car versus other cars and that without the add-on, the car can still function and compete in the race.

Someone brings in a cinder block and rests it on the accelerator and straps a robot to the seat of their car to drive. Is that cheating? No... we never said automation was not allowed, only that modifying your car to be more powerful than someone else's was not allowed.

Glider is WOW's cinder block & robot.


By CSQuake on 7/18/2008 5:10:20 AM , Rating: 2
"Let's say that we establish the participants must use our cars and only our cars, although they may create their own car add-ons to enhance the functionality of the car, as long as it does not improve the performance of the car versus other cars and that without the add-on, the car can still function and compete in the race."

But, Blizzard supports add-ons, just not Glider or any variant of. So, feel free to use your car with some add ons, just not the robot or cinder block. That's their rules not mine :)


By EricMartello on 7/17/2008 7:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously Mr pro-cheater, the freely available add-ons you mention ARE supported by Blizzard devs and are as such not a cheat. Glider is not supported, never has been, and never will be and as such is a cheat. Get over it. It certainly does give an unfair advantage and it certainly does affect the economy in WoW. If you can't see that then you are blind to it and need to read up.


A few other users have already illustrated some great points about how using Glider IS NOT cheating. It's an automation tool and nothing more - end of story.

The impact to the in-game economy is debatable...but logic suggests that a large supply of anything will lower the cost of goods. Ever since Blizzard introduced the daily quests, there has been major inflation on many realms because of all the extra gold being pumped into the game through completion of the quests. This means that in-game items are going to cost more in the near future...and Glider, nor the Chinese gold farms, had anything to do with it.

The real issue here is legal precedent that is being set by this decision. Our copyright and IP laws in general are flawed and misguided - DMCA anyone? This decision is basically saying that, for any software (and presumably hardware) that you PURCHASE for use will require strict and complete compliance with the EULA they include - regardless of what the EULA says.

The EULA should be limited to restricting the user from unauthorized resale or distribution of said software, it should not be allowed to contradict or circumvent existing legal protections offered to consumers who purchase software or other intangible goods.


Damn your right!
By leidegre on 7/16/2008 3:51:29 AM , Rating: 4
No matter how you twist the story, you're still cheating and as such you should be banned.

The legal justification might not have been just. But I care little for the people who inadvertently damage the experience for others.

A side with Blizzard on this one, for the above reason.




RE: Damn your right!
By Blight AC on 7/16/2008 9:30:00 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but this isn't about an end user cheating and getting banned. While, I hate farmers (who's sole purpose is to make RL money from their time) and hacks on any MMO. In game gold/PL advertising and gold inflation do ruin it for many players, I'm also torn that the EFF is siding against Blizzard for the precedence that would be set if Blizzard does win.

It could mean that any software can come with EULA's that would in essence violate our constitutional rights and be legally enforceable. Stupid stuff too, like we are only allowed to install a game on one machine, if that machine is upgraded, or replaced, we have to buy the software again to legally use it.

Game companies already do some lame stuff to prevent piracy, this could enable them to make it even worse for people who legally purchase their software.

However, the amount of time spent by Blizzard to prevent cheating in the game could also be spent to improve the game for the users, and make it less annoying for the people who play as the game was intended to be played.


RE: Damn your right!
By rdeegvainl on 7/16/2008 10:28:07 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
However, the amount of time spent by Blizzard to prevent cheating in the game could also be spent to improve the game for the users, and make it less annoying for the people who play as the game was intended to be played.

I somehow doubt that Blizzards legal department pursuing this prevented it's development team from working on the game.


RE: Damn your right!
By callmeroy on 7/16/2008 10:36:29 AM , Rating: 3
Agreed the legal department has nothing to do with the development team they work independently..

Also what some people fail to realize and they pass it off as simple "gold farmers"...the fact is do you know HOW most of these "gold farmers" make their money? They STEAL from honest players who are just trying to enjoy the game, they will forcibly HACK your account and strip your toons of all gold and valuables , wipe out your game bank and in some cases transfer a character off server to sell it for several hundred dollars.

I can't believe that sooo many people think the MAIN stay of gold farming is simply people paid to do dailies and farm thigns like primals in the game....that's just the cover up or side income, if you know anyone who buys gold they are paying for stolen goods essentially.

So that said yeah it is important for blizz to stop dishonest and underhanded game play because cheating, hacking and stealing in a game is all interconnected as far as I'm concerned.

Thankfully blizzard finally got wise and just started over RSA-like tokens that enchance your accounts security from being taken over.


RE: Damn your right!
By MightyAA on 7/17/2008 12:31:33 PM , Rating: 2
BS about your farmer FACTS.. I know three guys who farm, sell gold, and sell accounts. Not one has ever stolen an account, and they've been in operation for years. They use bots, farm motes and whatnots, and sell them and sometimes the farmer account. They also have their main character accounts that they use for regular play. Have you ever dealt with a farmer or had your account hacked?

Blizzard monitors IP's (particularly foreign ones) and has excellent account management. I've even had a friend (non-botter) get his account temporarily suspended because he played while traveling and his IP bounced around too much for Blizzard's liking. It is so easy to get your account back it's not even funny; even my bot friends get some of their bot accounts back after flat out getting caught cheating.


RE: Damn your right!
By Blight AC on 7/17/2008 2:25:46 PM , Rating: 2
Well time = money, and more money spent in legal and on support staff to handle spam reports and botting is less that could be spent on development... for one.

Also.. less annoying. Extra development time is needed to prevent farming, stuff like the roaming Fel Reaver in Hellfire to prevent people from easily farming the Hellboars there (or whatever else it walks by). Stuff like that, that can be annoying to the regular players, as well as the botters. Level design that has to take into account all potential misuse, or development time spent to fix areas that are being abused.

Sorry I wasn't abundantly clear on that.


RE: Damn your right!
By maverick85wd on 7/16/2008 2:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
I agree fully that if you cheat in a game like WOW you should be banned and your character deleted.

The problem with this judgment is that it allows software companies to say that someone who doesn't use their software exactly the way they want is in violation of copyright. Think of the implications for Operating Systems, especially when considering a company like Apple. And I'm sure that would just be the tip of the iceburg. Blizzard should never have won this judgment; they should have gone after the cheaters and simply banned them and deleted their profiles (if that's what they're called in WOW, I don't do crack, I mean play myself). My guess is doing that would cause a lot of users to say screw it and quit playing.... and they don't want to lose that online gaming market share.


RE: Damn your right!
By jimbojimbo on 7/16/2008 2:56:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure Blizzard wouldn't have given a rat's ass if they used Glide, launched WOW and dilly daddled with it locally. However, it's when it connected to THEIR servers that they do have the right to say no. I'm on Blizzard's side on this one.


RE: Damn your right!
By Some1ne on 7/16/2008 3:44:32 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, they have the right to say no, by banning the cheater's account. They don't have the right to say no by asserting that cheating is illegal, and pursuing legal action against the cheater and the entity that provided them with the tools used to cheat. It's Blizzard's job to enforce their rules on their servers, not the legal system's.


RE: Damn your right!
By CSQuake on 7/17/2008 6:59:57 AM , Rating: 1
You sound pro-cheating? lol


RE: Damn your right!
By CSQuake on 7/17/2008 7:12:11 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry of course you don't sound pro-cheating, but it is time to stop fannying around and being soft on tool developers and cheaters alike.


Review
By InternetGeek on 7/16/2008 3:22:15 AM , Rating: 3
So what happened is that the Judge allows WOW to establish terms that are more restrictive that one's rights written in laws. Basically, giving WOW overriding rights on laws they don't like or whatsoever, regardless of rights and duties established in laws such as the DMCA or alikes. Interesting.

Things keep going this way and it won't be long until we have to pay cell phone carriers for lots revenue if we switch away and the user that replaces us does not spend as much as used to.




RE: Review
By Silver2k7 on 7/16/2008 3:50:27 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully they wount count add'ons as hacks.. such as Auctioneer wich keeps track of auction prices, or Atlas, Mobmap, Cosmos etc..


RE: Review
By TomCorelis (blog) on 7/16/2008 3:59:36 AM , Rating: 4
Add-ons are fully supported -- Blizzard publishes the APIs that add-ins use and keep in tough with the community. I was a huge fan of Auctioneer myself when I played, and I know a lot of people in the raiding community would have a fit if they couldn't have their precious custom UI's and DKP mods.


RE: Review
By Chaser on 7/16/2008 7:39:59 AM , Rating: 2
Do you have any idea how Wow Glider worked and the impact it had on the game?


RE: Review
By AntiM on 7/16/2008 8:30:01 AM , Rating: 2
It looks to me to be another case of a Judge ruling on something they don't understand. I can see how the program could be considered to interfere with the contractual relationship between Blizzard and its users; there's no question of that. But to say it violates their copyright?? They are violating the EULA, but how that relates to a copyright violation is beyond my comprehension. The argument that loading an unauthorized copy of their game into RAM is a violation their copyright is laughable. Plus, it's the user that's violating the EULA, not the maker of Glider. If anything, the Judge got everything backwards, I can vaguely see how Glider could be considered a violation of the DMCA, since it "hacks" WOW.

This is a very bad precedent, a very stupid ruling. I'm hoping it will be overturned in an appeal.


Hmm
By TomCorelis (blog) on 7/16/2008 4:10:27 AM , Rating: 2
One thing I found odd: attempts to run Glider failed, due to Avast informing me that I had attempted to execute a rootkit.




RE: Hmm
By Blight AC on 7/16/2008 9:08:23 AM , Rating: 2
That's how it hides from WoW's detection software.


RE: Hmm
By karielash on 7/16/2008 10:07:31 AM , Rating: 2

It is a rootkit, and anyone that installs a rootkit on their system in order to cheat at a game deserves everything they get.

Not to say Blizzard is entirely right, but I would support getting rid of this cheat.


RE: Hmm
By Boze on 7/17/2008 7:31:10 AM , Rating: 2
You might want to do a little research and educate yourself. Glider is not a cheat program, it is an automation program. It does not give you mystical in-game abilities above and beyond every other player. In fact, it doesn't give you any abilities at all... it is a glorified script execution tool and nothing more.

Glider is to World of Warcraft what a file renaming script was to a DOS directory.


if they ban glider
By TonyB on 7/16/2008 4:02:09 AM , Rating: 2
gold prices will go up.




RE: if they ban glider
By FITCamaro on 7/16/2008 6:05:02 AM , Rating: 4
Not really (nor would I care). The Chinese and Taiwanese could care less what a ruling here in the states says. They'll just develop their own programs and probably already have them.

And buying gold is against the EULA too so it doesn't really matter. It's also one of the dumbest things in the history of mankind.


Its Blizzard's Game
By Suntan on 7/16/2008 1:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
I don't play WoW and don't know if this actually "hurts" others as much as it can just "help" some (don't really care either). I will say though, that it is Blizzard's game, Blizzard's servers and Blizzard that gets the flack from all of their law abiding customers when rule breakers cheat. In that light, I think they should be allowed to stipulate what is and is not allowed, and be able to inforce that with whatever tools the law allows (cease and desist, etc.) Even though none of us ever take the time to read the ELUAs, we do agree to them when we purchase and use the stuff. Yeah, they are purposely written like crap and you don't even know what you are agreeing to, but you can pretty much assume you are agreeing to bend over and grab your ankles anytime that little "do you agree to the terms of this ELUA" box gets clicked. So its not like their is an excuse to complain afterwards.

I don't like the silly way every company trys to throw the DMCA bit at every slight infraction though. That law does not benifit the people and using it in your case just gets you labeled a DB. If you don't think you can win your case without pulling out the DMCA card, chances are you don't deserve to win your case.

Lastly, I will say that companies should be free to write whatever they want into their ELUA, but they should be required by law to print it in font that is at least yeah big to the outside of the packaging such that a person can fully read it, in the store, prior to purchasing/opening/installing said product. just like they make cigerettes carry warning labels of a certain size in plain view on the outside of the boxes.

-Suntan




RE: Its Blizzard's Game
By Icelight on 7/16/2008 2:00:21 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if anyone has ever attempted to return an opened game under the defense that they don't agree with the EULA...


RE: Its Blizzard's Game
By just4U on 7/17/2008 1:35:35 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know of any store that will refund you your money for opening a game. So they get your money weather you agree to their terms or not.

Sweet deal huh?


EEF's Interpretation of Copyright Law
By MatthiasF on 7/16/2008 6:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
The quoted paragraph from the EEF blog stuck out to me. It reads:

quote:
“The logical implication of the holding is that any time you buy software … [developers] can always use license agreements to prevent you from ever having full control over your software and taking advantage of standard copyright limitations (such as the right to sell your copy [Section 109 of the Copyright Act] or the right to make copies necessary for use of the software [Section 117]). You can buy it, but you can’t own it.”


Software makers can been enforcing this viewpoint for 20 or more years. Autodesk, Adobe, and numerous other non-BSA members explicitly state you cannot sell your copy of their software to someone else. There has been civil lawsuits concerning mergers, bankruptcy, etc. that set the precedent for this line of thought.

This led me to reread the section and I can't find any reference to the right to sell mentioned.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#109

Anyone else see it?




RE: EEF's Interpretation of Copyright Law
By Digimonkey on 7/16/2008 7:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. It's at the very top of the section:

quote:
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3), the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord.


Not only do you have the right to sell it, but you can have someone else sell it for you.


By MatthiasF on 7/16/2008 9:36:59 PM , Rating: 2
Computer software isn't mentioned in subsection (a) that you quote. The second paragraph, subsection (b), clearly states at start "Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)" and then goes on to speak of computer software.

The problem is that there is no mention of a sale, only "rental, lease, or lending". The only clear mention of transfer of possession is when speaking of non-profit educational situations.

quote:
The transfer of possession of a lawfully made copy of a computer program by a nonprofit educational institution to another nonprofit educational institution or to faculty, staff, and students does not constitute rental, lease, or lending for direct or indirect commercial purposes under this subsection.


If we are given possession of the software, and since I see nothing about selling it, it would be assumed we can sell it under the first subsection you mention.

But if we are not given possession of the software, lent a copy by the maker and given permission to run it on our machines via a licensing agreement, then we cannot sell it to someone else. The software maker gives us a license, which is only permission, to use the "lent" copy.

The latter seems to be the winning argument in court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license_agre...

But not all software makers enforce this view. Adobe's EULA allows for transfers on most of their products. Microsoft and Autodesk do not allow transfers for any products, and looks like Blizzard's EULA states similar (albeit in less than clear terms):

quote:

(i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Game to other parties in any way not expressly authorized herein, nor shall you rent, lease or license the Game to others;


I'm assuming the "grant a security interest in" means selling your account on ebay.


or....
By pillagenburn on 7/16/2008 5:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
or just stop playing WoW and put the WoW crack pipe down?




RE: or....
By callmeroy on 7/16/2008 10:28:14 AM , Rating: 1
This is a stupid comment...

WTF do you care what someone else does with their spare/free time for entertainment.


RE: or....
By jimbojimbo on 7/16/2008 2:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
Callmeroy has no life.


Your the cheaters, not me
By zonkie on 7/16/2008 3:53:44 PM , Rating: 2
Most of you are angry about the cheating because you are jealous. If you can't do it, they shouldn't be able to.

As a person with muscular dystrophy, i feel that people with normal use of their limbs have an unfair advantage over me in this game. As such they are all cheaters and should also be made to use a 3rd party program to play the game for them.

I have alot less time on this earth then the rest of you, and I don't want to spend it playing a character all over again. Aside from a full pee bag and a full colostomy pouch, there is not much more I can succeed or acheive in life. I can achieve goals in this game, and Glider helps me do that.

Some people are acheivement based. When Asheron's Call came out with it's patron system, allowing you to level if a person under you played, I loved it. Friends played and I leveled with even less effort then with Glider. Anyone remember El Tank for AC? As long as you were at you keyboard, that bot was allowed. And as long as my vent tray draws a breath for me I will use glider to play.




RE: Your the cheaters, not me
By CSQuake on 7/16/2008 9:37:03 PM , Rating: 1
"Most of you are angry about the cheating because you are jealous. If you can't do it, they shouldn't be able to." ... no really, we just hate cheaters and the devlopers of the cheating tools.

"As a person with muscular dystrophy, i feel that people with normal use of their limbs have an unfair advantage over me in this game." ... you are right, we do, however it's neither our fault, nor yours. If it was up to me, which of course it isn't, I would stop you using WOWGlider which ever way I could, not because I want you to stop using it, but because I don't think anybody should use it. It is not part of the game, never was part of the game, is not developed and published by Blizzard ... it does not belong in the game.

Your situation and others like yourself with disabilities should have been addressed years ago - where are the simpler control methods for less-able-bodied people?


RE: Your the cheaters, not me
By Boze on 7/17/2008 7:41:43 AM , Rating: 2
Because as cruel as it is to say CS, it comes down to a matter of dollars.

Take all the people who have muscular dystrophy in the entire world... now take all those people and find out who plays World of Warcraft... Do you really think Blizzard can justify development dollars for a very, very small handful of its player base? Is it unfortunate? Very. Is it unfair? Certainly. Will it change? Probably not.

General purpose products are developed for the general population in mind (I am stating that I feel that World of Warcraft is the 'general purpose' MMORPG), and the general population has 10 fingers, 10 toes, two eyes, and perfectly healthy muscles. I'm not saying its right, only that its the world we live in.


A quick forecast
By Fracture on 7/16/2008 10:04:16 AM , Rating: 2
I guess it should be clarified what these decisions mean to the average person, the one that does not use WoWGlider.

There are various ways of automating gameplay, which is usually done through a method called data injection. This allows a program to input data directly into the game as it is copied in the RAM, which is the part the user controls. I believe this is how aimbots, etc are used and often show characteristic signs of automation, such as inhuman movements.

WoWGlider does not use this injection method and instead duplicates the types of inputs that you would send from your keyboard/mouse.

Most of the DCMA was created to prevent piracy or criminal misuse of intellectual property. The issue that arises from these rulings is the institution of a flawed precedent. The glider program teeters on a vague distinction that borders between botting and complex macro scripting, which has been their defense thusfar. The implications of stopping the reading of data from RAM can impact many other areas, such as analytics and scientific projects, and may impede progress on many useful fronts.

I think that Blizzard should have just kept their EULA to state that the user must be present while using their software. I can even see use for a modified WoWGlider program for the severely physically handicapped, but unfortunately the majority of users are powerlevelers and farmers.




Blizzard Does it Again
By Loveless on 7/17/2008 10:40:38 AM , Rating: 2
Blizzard went too far when they didn't need to. There are two claims that the judge agreed with:

1. "One claim alleged that MDY tortiously interfered with the contractual relationship between Blizzard and its users,"
2. "while another claims that World of Warcraft players who use Glider infringe on Blizzard’s copyrights....The argument essentially claims that players are only allowed to load World of Warcraft into their computer’s RAM when they comply with the terms of the game’s EULA".

I don't think they need more than no. 1. to seriously punish MDY.

This is not the first time they've raised controversy about user's rights. Before, (around Starcraft time, I think), they stirred it up when they uploaded user's PC information without any notice. I think they should realize that their callous attitude toward user's rights could cause them to shoot themselves in the foot, since they are software consumers as well.