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He said other smartphones -- like Android-powered devices -- are leaving Apple in its dust

Apple isn't the only tech giant who can throw a few punches in the competitive smartphone ring: BlackBerry's CEO took a couple of shots at Apple recently, saying the iPhone is old news.

BlackBerry CEO Thorsten Heins told The Australian Financial Review that Apple's iPhone has been left behind during a storm of new smartphone releases (such as Android and BlackBerry 10 smartphones).

“Apple did a fantastic job in bringing touch devices to market...They did a fantastic job with the user interface, they are a design icon," said Heins. "There is a reason why they were so successful, and we actually have to admit this and respect that.

“History repeats itself again I guess...the rate of innovation is so high in our industry that if you don’t innovate at that speed you can be replaced pretty quickly. The user interface on the iPhone, with all due respect for what this invention was all about is now five years old.”


Heins went on to say that his company's own BlackBerry 10 smartphones surpass the iPhone in one way especially -- multi-tasking. He said BB10 phones can run multiple apps much like a laptop while the iPhone seems to lack in that area.

“The point is that you can never stand still," said Heins. "It is true for us as well. Launching BB10 just put us on the starting grid of the wider mobile computing grand prix, and now we need to win it."

Last week, Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, was bad-mouthing Google's Android on the eve of the Samsung Galaxy S IV release. He said three-quarters of iPhone users say they're "very satisfied" with their experience while only half of Android users say the same, and that Android's biggest problem is its "plain and simple" fragmentation. Apple, on the other hand, is responsible for both the software and hardware of an iPhone -- hence, Schiller says, the experience is more seamless.

As for the Samsung Galaxy S IV itself, Schiller said the device will ship with an operating system that is already a year old, and that Google's Android updates come at a snail's speed.

"With their own data, only 16 percent of Android users are on year-old version of the operating system," said Schiller. "Over 50 percent are still on software that is two years old. A really big difference.

"And that extends to the news we are hearing this week that the Samsung Galaxy S4 is being rumored to ship with an OS that is nearly a year old. Customers will have to wait to get an update."

Clearly Apple is threatened by Android's smartphone dominance, and BlackBerry is likely hoping to be an innovator in the smartphone realm once again as well. BlackBerry launched its line of BlackBerry 10 (BB10) devices in January of this year. At that time, it revealed the BlackBerry Z10 and the Q10 phones. The Z10 finally came to the U.S. March 12 as AT&T began its presale for $199 (with a two-year contract). The phone actually ships March 22.

Heins is optimistic about BB10 bringing BlackBerry back to life, as he was recently quoted saying that Z10 sales in Europe were "encouraging." He also said customers were switching from other platforms to BB10.

Another boost to BlackBerry could be a possible purchase of the company by Lenovo, which has been rumored. Lenovo CEO Yang Yuanqing told French financial newspaper Les Echos that it could eventually buy BlackBerry, but it needs to review such a decision first.

Source: The Australian Financial Review



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You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 12:22:07 PM , Rating: 5

“Apple did a fantastic job in bringing touch devices to market...They did a fantastic job with the user interface, they are a design icon," said Heins. "There is a reason why they were so successful, and we actually have to admit this and respect that."

He is right...

“History repeats itself again I guess...the rate of innovation is so high in our industry that if you don’t innovate at that speed you can be replaced pretty quickly. The user interface on the iPhone, with all due respect for what this invention was all about is now five years old.”

And Right again.

Apple did a great job in the years leading up to the iPhone. IOS was a home run and Apple reaped the benefits and is still reaping them... But now, the 3 main competitors BB, WP8 and Android are all better in features, form and functionality with the exception of the app store, which is marginally better, if that matters to you.




RE: You cant argue...
By Shadowself on 3/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 2:22:48 PM , Rating: 1
??? ... That was true then, but it didnt mean that it wasnt a breakthrough. Clearly the iPhone pushed things forward in a major way... It was then and is still now a major pain in the ass to type a long email message on a virtual keyboard. Voice recognition has come a long way making it bearable and for those that just type too much and cant deal with it, there are still qwerty models available.

" but to now say it was a design triumph, but is now out of date is absurd."

Design triumph is too dramatic of a phrase for me, but it was a hell of a step forward and now it's sort of 4th in a 4 man race as far as features form and function. Not really hard to get. The first car was years beyond the horse nad buggy, but it doesnt stack up to todays cars. That is an extreme example, Apple isnt that far behind, but as far as features, UI, and funtionalty of the major 4, Android, Blackberry (10) and WP8, IOS is clearly lacking.


RE: You cant argue...
By Phoque on 3/18/2013 7:52:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It was then and is still now a major pain in the ass to type a long email message on a virtual keyboard.


Bullshit, have you tried a Z10 in landscape, with its word completion feature? You'll type faster and make fewer mistakes than on a phone with physical keyboard.


RE: You cant argue...
By RjBass on 3/18/2013 10:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
Word completion feature? Is that anything like the Swipe function on my Galaxy Note II that I have fallen in love with. Writing long emails or text messages isn't nearly as painful as it used to be.


RE: You cant argue...
By MadMan007 on 3/18/2013 11:11:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the horse nad buggy


Yeah, but everyone riding one of those was really ballin'


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/19/2013 8:50:40 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... I knew someone would catch that. No womder they went obsolete with all the PETA type groups out there. What a cruel form of travel.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/18/13, Rating: -1
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 2:31:58 PM , Rating: 4
Right... Like its just the two of us. And the investors, stock market and industry in general and even alot of iPhone users arent saying the same things... /rolls eyes.

Even Woz sees it... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-227...

Its all over the financial channels as well but if you cant find it, let me hlp you...
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+falling+behind

Its pretty clear to anyone but you and the few other iFans that Apple is 4th in a 4 man race. Still 1st in profits for sure, but alot of that is momentum. Innovation has slowed if not stopped at Apple and there isn't anything your sarcasm can do to change it. Denial wont change it either.

What can change it is innovation and Apple is certainly capable of it. Maybe we will see it in the next round, but certainly not today.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 7:59:51 PM , Rating: 3
Stop pretending to miss the point. We are talking about the technology in the phones. Everyone else has leapfrogged Apple and you know it.


RE: You cant argue...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 8:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
lol once again Tony attempts to counter a technology argument with a financial report.

Seriously that guy, it's like he doesn't even care about the discussion. It's just an opportunity to spin his big wheel of financial reports and randomly link them.

Maybe he's the Monopoly guy??


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 9:45:52 PM , Rating: 3
LOL... Whatever he is, he is clearly threatened by Android. He can't leave a single topic alone. Just like these CEOs and CMOs lately badmouthing the competition... It just makes you look petty and afraid.


RE: You cant argue...
By Pirks on 3/18/2013 11:23:07 PM , Rating: 1
Say what you want Android trolls, but Apple still takes most of the market's profit. For you spec fappers only the megapixels and gigahertz matter, but for the business specs are nothing and money is everything. For now Apple keeps pwning the other companies money wise, so I don't see the reason to get so agitated at Tony.

Don't get nervous guys, it's business as usual - Apple keeps getting most of the money, the rest waste their effort trying to catch up. Tony is stating the hard cold facts again. Don't shoot the messenger!

Wake me up when the picture changes in any way money-wise. It's been the same many years already, with Apple getting almost all the profit, I don't see the reason why it will change.


RE: You cant argue...
By Kyuu on 3/19/2013 1:52:44 AM , Rating: 2
Funny, considering the iPhone 5 was what again? Oh right, it was a spec bump. Funny how Apple fans went nuts when they thought the iPhone 5 had the top spot in the spec war. Now that it's fallen behind again, of course specs don't matter. *eyeroll*

Plus they played the "me-too" card with making the screen bigger (well, longer, but still), after saying the iPhone 4 had the perfect size.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/19/2013 7:58:43 AM , Rating: 2
If you read anything in the entire thread, it was about features and OS. Apple has been left behind and it currently 4th in a 4 man race behind even hapless RIMM now. Dont say you dont know its true, you bought an Android too.


RE: You cant argue...
By Pirks on 3/20/2013 12:43:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
you bought an Android too
So what? Does it change the fact that Apple still takes almost all the profit in the market? Nope :P

Does my second WP7 phone change the fact that MS has lost the mobile computing race and faded into irrelevance? Nope :P (Surface RT is more like a random agony kick of a dying animal than a real useful device)

Got my point now? You probably don't understand that my phones mean NOTHING. Whatever...


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/20/2013 12:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
"So what? Does it change the fact that Apple still takes almost all the profit in the market? Nope :P"

You are right, it doesnt... But the conversation you joined in on wasn't about a companies profits, it was about the tech in phones and that Apple is 4th in a 4 man race. Being that even you most recent purchases (correct me if I am wrong) are Windows Phone, Blackberry OS10 and Android. That kind of backs up the point.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/19/2013 7:14:56 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Everyone else has leapfrogged Apple and you know it.


Based on what - the Galaxy S4 :)

A trivial upgrade wrapped in a high budget and bad taste PR marketing stunt. Most of it's rumored features turned out to be vapourware.

There are only two players in the mobile device market, Samsung and Apple. Both are doing very well. Everybody else is failing and fading. Samsung sells more handsets than Apple but not at the high end, Apple sells more tablets and Apple makes more money. They both sell vast and growing numbers of devices. Everybody else hasn't got as clue. None of that had changed recently and won't change in the near future.

Both companies will continue to grow. Apple will continue to make the most money and will continue to build the most successful mobile platform as it heads to the one billion user mark.

The endless and tedious drivel about specs lists and differential rates of innovation means nothing. It's just the iPhobes equivalent to whistling in the dark.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/19/2013 8:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
"Based on what - the Galaxy S4 :)"

Not at all on the S4. It's just another face in the crowd of great phones out there. Not even one of the better ones to me.

"The endless and tedious drivel about specs lists and differential rates of innovation means nothing. It's just the iPhobes equivalent to whistling in the dark."

OK, fine, stick with the pretend you don't understand the point thing. Apple is making money today, so they dont need to keep innovating. And that HUGE list of missing features? No-one wants features, its just fluff. Good luck with that.


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/2013 1:54:04 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not sure what this guy is trying to say. At first he admits that the iPhone was a great design, mostly as a disclaimer, and then he takes a dig at them by trying to suggest that since the iPhone design is now 5 years old it's therefore outdated.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that the design of all smartphone competitors has converged on what the iPhone has been from the beginning.

If you remember, RIM tried to stick with the old Blackberry design (small screen, big physical keyboard) as long as they could until all their customers went with other phones with the big screen/touch interface. Then they tried going with a large touch screen that you pressed on the Blackberry Storm, strangely lacking WiFi. Nobody wanted that. Now the Z10 is basically an iPhone clone.

Blackberry is hurting for market share and they're getting desperate. Their new product is a steep proposition. Why would anyone leave the iPhone or Android ecosystems to jump onboard a dying company's smaller, less refined ecosystem?

They're facing an uphill battle. Their best bet is to be bought out by somebody else so they can have access to their intellectual property and use the few things of value in the company. Maybe the new buyer can use the OS or customize Android to have the same look. There's no much else of value.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 2:13:48 PM , Rating: 3
"I'm not sure what this guy is trying to say. At first he admits that the iPhone was a great design, mostly as a disclaimer, and then he takes a dig at them by trying to suggest that since the iPhone design is now 5 years old it's therefore outdated."

Its not hard to follow. The initial iPhone pushed the industry ahead and was leaps and bounds better than the competition. Now the competition has not only caught up, but surpassed it. What is unclear ?


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/2013 3:10:06 PM , Rating: 1
His reasoning is poor. If you were to listen to Blackberry you would have heard them say that the iPhone was a dumb idea and that it would never be successful. Now all Blackberry can do is imitate the same iPhone that stole all its market share.

Every step of the way Blackberry has made the wrong decisions, yet they still publicly opine on the decisions made by more successful companies. This guy should learn from history and keep his mouth shut. If he knew what he was talking about his company wouldn't be in the position it's in.


RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 3:25:52 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agreed, BB has very nearly obsoluted themselves. They took 3-4 years too long to come out with BB10. And a CEO, or for that matter any public figure from a company shouldn't bad-mouth the competition. It just makes them look petty and afraid. But as far as the part about the iPhone being behind the competition, he is right.


RE: You cant argue...
By half_duplex on 3/19/2013 9:43:47 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think it's fair yet to say that Apple is behind the competition. The ONLY thing they took too long to do was the larger screen, and for most iPhone users, it was only 1 model late.

The rest of the "lacking" features are things that iPhone users appreciate.


RE: You cant argue...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 4:48:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now all Blackberry can do is imitate the same iPhone that stole all its market share.


You iTard's are really annoying when you pull this argument. RIM's phone designs and new OS are anything but a "stolen" product. You have got to get a new insult, this one is dry and stale. Much like iOS...


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/2013 8:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
It's funny because I'm actually an Apple hater. I just think the iPhone is good. Apple is in trouble though because they put all their eggs in one basket. The profit margins on mobile devices is going to begin drying up as more and more competitors offer worthy products for a lower price.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/18/2013 8:50:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The profit margins on mobile devices is going to begin drying up as more and more competitors offer worthy products for a lower price.


Although up until now and even with all the existing competitors and large Android sales there has been absolutely zero erosion of iPhone margins. Which is interesting. When do you think your projected Apple profit erosion will kick in and what new factors in the market will precipitate it?


RE: You cant argue...
By Phoque on 3/18/2013 7:59:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Their best bet is to be bought out by somebody else so they can have access to their intellectual property and use the few things of value in the company.


I think there are a lot of people like you who haven't realized how great the new Blackberry OS is. But that's Blackberry's marketing department's job to get the message out. At this point, the sale of Blackberry would be a great loss for its investors. Let's wait some time and see how the Blackberry 10 platform performs. My bet is that it will be a great success.


RE: You cant argue...
By Tony Swash on 3/19/2013 12:44:54 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm not sure what this guy is trying to say.


He is saying

I know "Blackberry is now an almost irrelevant has been, that we have a new OS but no one is interested in it, so if I don't say something provocatively stupid about the iPhone and Apple I won't get any press coverage at all and at least this way I get the stupid 'Apple is doomed' iPhobic commentators all excited and when was the last time that anything anyone from Blackberry said created any sort of excitement."


RE: You cant argue...
By danjw1 on 3/18/2013 2:41:07 PM , Rating: 2
Umm, I think he is right; But, the truth is that his firm isn't any better then Apple. They both have been left behind, because of an inability to keep up with the pace of innovation.


RE: You cant argue...
By 91TTZ on 3/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: You cant argue...
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 3:33:54 PM , Rating: 2
"In what way has Apple fallen behind in regards to innovation?"

It has the oldest, blandest UI in the business and is missing a hell of alot of features for a high end phone. Small screens, no full HD, low DPI compared to the competition, horrible edge to edge display, no micro SD card, removable battery, NFC, mini HDMI, widgets, live wallpaper, micro USB, eye recognition, wireless charging, multi-window support, decent notifications etc.

Its not that evveryone cares about every missing feature, its just a lot of missing features for a so called "high end" smartphone.


RE: You cant argue...
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 5:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In what way has Apple fallen behind in regards to innovation?


Was this a serious question? I refuse to believe you are THIS iTarded...

In the past three years their only "innovations" have been Siri and copying others by going with a bit bigger screen on the iPhone. Even though they and many others claimed the original size was "perfect".

Seriously if anyone can think of some "innovations" with Apple's iPhone line besides those, please tell me. I can't find them anywhere.


RE: You cant argue...
By jimbojimbo on 3/19/2013 5:03:41 PM , Rating: 2
What's funny is the only innovation that came to your mind wasn't even their innovation. They just bought the company that wrote it in the first place then slapped it onto their new phones.


Great features! NOT!
By Ammohunt on 3/18/2013 12:30:33 PM , Rating: 1
The fact is that none of the features he listed will be noticed by the average smart phone consumer...multi-tasking really? Not defending apple but if these anti-apple zealots haven't learned from the Windows 8 mess you can't piss down peoples backs and tell them its raining nor can you force an interface change and expect people to just take it as better. There is nothing wrong with iOSes interface and frankly 5 years old on the interface is a boon considering all iOS devices behave and look the same making upgrades a snap.




RE: Great features! NOT!
By txDrum on 3/18/2013 1:07:18 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know. Look at the GS4. Smart Scroll, smart pause. VERY easy to market, and VERY easy to understand what benefits they give. A 1080P screen - also very easy to market. Most people associate that resolution with nice TVs. When they learn there's a PHONE with a 1080P screen? A 13 MP camera. Despite the dubious reasons of continuing the MP race (The HTC One and Lumia 928/920 will almost certainly produce better pictures) it is very easy to market. 13MP cameras that aren't smartphones take fairly nice pictures because the lenses are so large and they can take in a lot of light. 13MP smartphones will seem the same way, and consumers won't realize the downside to a 13MP smartphone camera.

Apple doesn't have anything new and fancy to market anymore. The newest innovation they've had is Siri; an admittedly effective, but year and a half old, piece of voice software. Even Microsoft (if they'd just do it) and BB10 (Again, if they'd just market the damn things) have better features to market. That is Apple's problem, and along with the increasing pressure on them, will really hurt.

I don't think Apple even wins on design anymore either. HTC has some gorgeous phones. The Lumia is actually becoming a decently well known and liked brand, even if sales are lower. And the GS4 is obviously at least as well known as the iPhone now, and probably better known and liked in Europe.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Nortel on 3/18/13, Rating: 0
RE: Great features! NOT!
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 4:16:13 PM , Rating: 4
"Even Samsung's lineup is confusing, the Note II and Galaxy S4 are so similar,"

Ya, golly wow, that is hard to decipher. The Note2 is a 5.5 phablet with active stylus support and the GS4 is a 5 inch phone. Wow, I am confused. I was OK, with the 1st choice, but then choice 2 came in and I got totally lost.

Now If I could just find my keys and my clothes, I can go to work. I am pretty sure my keys are on my dresser and my clothes are in it, but I went to the bathroom and took a show and then got lost and couldnt find my way back to my bedroom, so I post this from the hallway, lost as could be. Someone help me. I need my iPhone to GPS me back to the bedroom.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Makaveli on 3/18/2013 4:33:12 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO Restropooty this post made my day.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 5:04:56 PM , Rating: 2
snick snick ;)


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Pirks on 3/18/2013 11:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
6!


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Nortel on 3/19/2013 10:07:24 AM , Rating: 1
Ok. People are getting excited over a brand new phone with a 0.5 inch smaller screen, without an active stylus and with a one year old OS release? You can harp on iPhone users all you want but anyone buying a GS4 over a Note 2 is clearly an idiot if those features are differentiating enough to make them not so similar.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By jimbojimbo on 3/19/2013 5:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
Don't confuse your pants and your shirts.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Ammohunt on 3/18/2013 4:57:40 PM , Rating: 1
With android phones is there a consistent UI experience? I haven't seen one. What i have seen is mounds of carrier crapware that can't be uninstalled different for every phone. I guess you could setting for a Nexus device for pure Android.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By xti on 3/18/2013 5:34:51 PM , Rating: 1
why do you want consistent? half the fun is everyone's android fun is setup with widgets and make them all unique.

in the words of the competition..."its a feature!"


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 5:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
With android phones is there a consistent UI experience?


Yes? Far more consistent than iOS, obviously. Where's your back button? Menu button? Oh you don't have those? You have to rely on app makers to provide them, which leads to a totally inconsistent UI experience? That sucks.

quote:
What i have seen is mounds of carrier crapware that can't be uninstalled different for every phone.


Gross generalizations are fun! You can remove ANY UI shortcut in Android. You can completely disable the "crapware" if you so choose. Come on people, this isn't hard.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Ammohunt on 3/19/2013 11:10:26 AM , Rating: 2
Generalizations exist because there is a bit of truth to them. Remove the crapware (and recover the space)without rooting the phone?


RE: Great features! NOT!
By Skywalker123 on 3/19/2013 4:52:30 PM , Rating: 2
You can't piss down people's bak and tell them its raining? Apple does it all the time.


RE: Great features! NOT!
By jimbojimbo on 3/19/2013 5:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There is nothing wrong with iOSes interface
There is nothing wrong with using a flip phone as well.


Eco System and ease of upgrade is the key
By btmm on 3/18/2013 3:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
Here's the thing that people who are not embedded into the Apple eco-system miss: If you have an iphone, an iPad, an Apple TV, and a Mac then everything works seamlessly together. WIthout installing extra software or configuring anything you can share music, videos, audio, pictures etc via iTunes and iCloud wirelessly to all devices.

Now I know that most people don't have all that much Apple gear, but even if they have an iPhone and an iPad then they're giving up a lot of integration, content sharing and ease of use features by switching.

Also, I realise that all of the sharing, iCloud etc features can be easily replicated using other services but the average user doesn't really want to have lots of logins and different services for this, they want one simple login and then they want all of the gadgets to work together.

This is the big ace up their sleeve that Apple has. In fairness, Google are trying to forge the same path by integrating their online services into all Android devices but the fragmentation of the Android eco-system and the sheer breath of different devices and manufacturers means that it's not nearly so effective.

So, if I own a couple of Apple devices and I like the way that they all play together why would I give all that up for a few gimmicks like the "eye scroll"? As long as Apple can keep making devices that are good enough to stay in the game then they're assured of large market share.

Aside from that, the smartphone wars are pretty much over now. The tech is pretty mature. The features that users want are pretty well established. You can have a small screen or a giant screen. You can have Android or iOS. Everything else is an also-ran.

The next big thing is going to be wearable devices that act as peripherals to the phone. The utility of the peripherals will extend the real world usefulness of the phone and will drive the market forward. Google Glass and iWatch (or whatever they come up with) will be the next frontier.

Interesting times ahead! One thing is for sure, the idea that Apple is going to suddenly crumble and disappear or that someone else is going to swoop in and take their market share is complete fantasy. If I worked for Blackberry, I'd start reading the job pages!




RE: Eco System and ease of upgrade is the key
By xti on 3/18/2013 3:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
coming from an ip3 to gs3...the 1 login of my google account pulling in all contacts, emails, etc was kinda nifty.

most of that integrated goodness was ruined when I saw how god awful kies is. I almost hate when they release aOS upgrades, cuz i have to reinstall that crap.


RE: Eco System and ease of upgrade is the key
By Pirks on 3/18/2013 11:34:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
how god awful kies is
Hehe, exactly my first impression when I tried to install iTunes on my Windows PC first time ever... jeez I almost puked :)))


RE: Eco System and ease of upgrade is the key
By xti on 3/19/2013 12:58:09 AM , Rating: 2
itunes sadly runs circles around kies.


By jimbojimbo on 3/19/2013 5:08:25 PM , Rating: 2
You're kidding me. iTunes is THE worst piece of crap bloatware every written. I'm still shocked that Apple can get away with what they do with it. It's like no other app, except a virus. You install it and it installs several different applications and services. If you decide to uninstall iTunes you'll have at least three other programs running services and other background tasks still running! WTF is that? Horrible. It's also the lease efficient of all the other apps.


RE: Eco System and ease of upgrade is the key
By Reclaimer77 on 3/19/2013 1:42:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you have an iphone, an iPad, an Apple TV, and a Mac then everything works seamlessly together. WIthout installing extra software or configuring anything you can share music, videos, audio, pictures etc via iTunes and iCloud wirelessly to all devices.


Translation: As long as you use only Apple devices and only Apples services, your experience will be good. As all these proprietary things will work (mostly) well together after handing Apple all your money. Enjoy being slaved to one overpriced provider of all things.

Seriously is there a dunce factory where Apple finds people like you?


RE: Eco System and ease of upgrade is the key
By btmm on 3/19/2013 4:04:46 AM , Rating: 2
My point was that for the non technically minded consumer who is already heavily invested in the Apple Eco system there is a big incentive to stay with Apple.

I'm not saying everyone should go that route. It's a matter of personal preference.

However, when it comes to what company you purchase products from I would make two points:

1. There is no good guy and bad guy, just competing companies.
2. There is more to a product than its list price. There are other factors such as integration which will make it more or less valuable to the purchaser

Some people like to spend their whole weekends fiddling with network settings and routers so that they can get their photos from their phones onto the tv wirelessly others prefer to pay for a product (or products) that will do that for them without the hassle.

Some would call a person who wastes their weekend like this a Fandroid idiot. But I wouldn't stoop to childish name calling!! /sarcasm


By Reclaimer77 on 3/19/2013 3:16:16 PM , Rating: 2
Well if it takes you a "weekend" to set up Plex or whatever, then Apple is right up your alley.

This isn't the 1990's anymore either. Its now just FUD to claim Apple products are king in the ease of use area. Or that "tinkering" is needed for alternatives.


By Tony Swash on 3/19/2013 6:50:35 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Translation: As long as you use only Apple devices and only Apples services, your experience will be good. As all these proprietary things will work (mostly) well together after handing Apple all your money.


So what's your proposed alternative? Hand your money to other companies whose products don't work very well together?


In reality
By crispbp04 on 3/18/2013 12:38:16 PM , Rating: 2
Apple doesn't need to innovate. They just need to stay ahead aesthetically, and be "good enough" on features. This would imply continued releases of iterative iOS and hardware updates, which should allow continued dominance of the mainstream consumer market. Being left behind is an exaggeration.

One issue Apple does need to address is iPhone users have no incentive to trade in their iPhone 4S. The phone is well built (my fiancé has two of them, one for work and one personal), users are familiar with it, and most of them are still in a contract. Even after contract expires, today there is very little reason for them to upgrade. The 4s texts, browses, makes calls, and runs all the apps smoothly. The 4s users are likely to eventually get another Apple phone, but there is no rush. This would point towards the explosive volume growth slowing down, but they will continue to grow volume. It's highly unlikely to see negative growth from them, even with android devices eating up the market.

Blackberry has a great device, but it's going to be a tough sell for people who are already engrossed into the iPhone ecosystem, and I think they are picking the wrong fight. They need to choose their battlegrounds carefully, and focus on keeping their existing customers while growing that business. They also should consider stabbing at Google in the consumer space.

For reference, I'm a WP8/Android user.




RE: In reality
By dubldwn on 3/18/2013 1:33:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The 4s users are likely to eventually get another Apple phone, but there is no rush.

Oh I can't wait to get rid of my 4S. The problem? The heavy and amazingly breakable glass back. Yeah it looks great...too bad I had to cover it in clear plastic. Terrible design decision imo.


RE: In reality
By crispbp04 on 3/18/2013 2:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it may have a fragile back, but functionally can you justify an upgrade? The overwhelming majority of iphoners use a case as the only means of personalization. I prefer to use a phone with no case.

When it comes to the durability, you would love something like the HTC 8x. I inadvertently dropped-kicked mine down a flight of concrete stairs and it only sustained a minor cosmetic scratch even with it's softer feeling polycarbonate shell. I thought for sure it was going to be in pieces.


RE: In reality
By Nortel on 3/18/2013 3:14:37 PM , Rating: 2
At the time, it was NOT heavy...the phone is made out of machined stainless steel and two plates of glass. It was designed to not be dropped; like buying a Rolex, smashing it on the ground and saying that it is garbage because it broke.


RE: In reality
By FeelLicks on 3/18/2013 1:47:13 PM , Rating: 2
Completely agree. My first touchscreen phone was the iPhone 4s and I have seen no reason to upgrade to any Android or later Apple phones thus far. The 4s does everything I need beautifully (and yes, this small screen is exactly the right size for me):

1. Phone/Texts
2. Music (with Bluetooth to connect to my Camry)
3. Browse web (once in a while)
4. Runs what few apps I use smoothly (imo.im, waze)
5. Takes pictures (I'm not a pro photographer; this is enough)
6. Battery life (I charge it once every 3 days)

I will probably stay on iPhone 4S for a long, long time. 99% of the "new" features on phones are gimmicks to me which I don't need. I do not need a huge screen (if I wanted to watch videos I'd do it on my desktop or HDTV) and I would actually prefer to have a small phone for portability in my jeans. I have played with various phones my coworkers have including many from HTC/Samsung and it is just not what I am looking for. I also don't really understand the expectations of the media and consumers of new phones to have world shattering new features. All I'm looking for in a future phone is build quality, portability, and battery life.


RE: In reality
By Reclaimer77 on 3/18/2013 4:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is bleeding market share every year to the competition. And the ludicrous carrier deals they got in the past, and parts supplier deals, are not going to continue to happen at the margins they used to enjoy.

So to sit there and say "Apple is profitable, they can just do nothing and continue to be so" is a death kneel in the business world.

Also instead of making their cash reserves work for them, they are simply hoarding it while Samsung and Google and others continue to buy acquisitions and invest in R&D.

Just look at their stock plummet. It tells us that Apple was extremely over-valued (something we all knew) and that hedge fund managers knew it was time to get out.

quote:
Apple doesn't need to innovate.


Wow...I have no response to this at all. Apple isn't the electric company or an insurance provider. They don't sell a service you can't live without. They rely almost entirely on consumer devices, they damn sure DO need to innovate.

Do you know how many companies or products I can sit here and list that we thought were so intractable in their time, but now they aren't around anymore?


RE: In reality
By retrospooty on 3/18/2013 5:10:03 PM , Rating: 2
"So to sit there and say "Apple is profitable, they can just do nothing and continue to be so" is a death kneel in the business world."

Yup, just ask RIMM 2010. "Our customers dont want touchscreen phones, they want keyboards and fully functional integrated email". The need to innovate is always there, sometimes more urgent than others. The problem is, if you want until ssaless fall to start, its too late. You have to constantly push, and companies that Innovated and sat on their Laurels like Palm and RIMM, didnt survive. OK, RIMM barely survived, but its stock fell to 1/20th its previous value and marketshare went from well over 50% to what, 2-3%? You gotta keep pushing.


He's partially right
By jimbojimbo on 3/19/2013 4:59:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, the new BB10 OS beats iOS but they've been working on it for so long that they've already fallen behind technologically speaking from Android or WP8. I would say in feature set
ios > BB10 > WP8 > Android
Other than the virtual keyboard BB10 doesn't have too much else to sway me from the other top platforms.




he forgot wp8
By rob19478 on 3/19/2013 6:20:31 PM , Rating: 2
Is Blackberry afraid of comparision with wp8 with which they hold absolutely no advantage; why didn't you say anything about them.




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