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A picture of a possible black Xbox 360 in the April issue of Game Informer - Image courtesy Kotaku
Black Xbox 360 could soon be on its way with improved features

Rumors of a hardware refresh for the Xbox 360 began earlier this year, when photos of a prototype console with HDMI output and a revised scaling chip appeared on the Web. Coupled with multiple hints of a larger hard disk drive, it seemed inevitable that Microsoft would release an upgraded version of its Xbox 360 sooner or later.

The April issue of Game Informer, by way of Kotaku, adds further backing to such speculation with an image of a black Xbox 360 said to include a 120GB HDD, matching black accessories, HDMI output and HDMI cable for approximately $479.

While some gaming magazines have been known to play rather cruel April Fool’s jokes on its readers, Matt Helgeson, senior editor at Game Informer, reportedly confirmed that the story is not a prank.

Also mentioned on the story is that owners of existing Xbox 360s may purchase the larger hard disk drive separately for “under $200.”

The current HD DVD add-on, however, will remain an additional accessory. In line with Microsoft official statements saying that its console will never include an internal HD DVD drive, the black Xbox 360 will come with the standard 12x DVD-ROM drive.

Microsoft is still not commenting on the possibility of a black Xbox 360. Chris Satchell, general manager of the game developer group at Microsoft, said earlier this year, “We're always working on prototypes and new technologies and just playing with stuff in Redmond to see what's interesting. I think at the moment we have the widest available connections on the system. If you want to get great HD, I think we've got a good solution for that.”

“At the moment, everything you might have seen is just looking at our experimentation back in Redmond, not really a product that we're thinking about announcing,” said Satchell.



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New Xbox 360
By restrada on 3/20/07, Rating: 0
RE: New Xbox 360
By nerdboy on 3/20/2007 4:43:46 PM , Rating: 2
yeah trust me this sucks. Mine was a Christmas present and I would to have one with a 120 Gb hard drive and hdmi ports on it.


RE: New Xbox 360
By retrospooty on 3/20/2007 10:21:32 PM , Rating: 5
How does a newer product with better features make your existing one suck? Yours is the same as it was yesterday. Come on, all electronics and computer related products are replaced by better models. It's called progress.


RE: New Xbox 360
By tuteja1986 on 3/21/2007 2:30:01 AM , Rating: 2
Its going to be introduced to Australian Market 1st for some reason from what i am hearing.


RE: New Xbox 360
By Azkuma on 3/26/2007 3:22:16 PM , Rating: 1
You can't be serious!?!?

The XBox launched with a 20GB drive over a year ago, but what size hard drive could Microsoft put into the XBox then? 60GB, 120GB?

I'm sure they could have put a much bigger drive than they did, but they chose not to.

The same can be said of the PS3, but it already has all the other features the XBox doesn't have as standard so something had to give.

Sometimes it's not progress, it's just 'marketing' so don't believe otherwise.


RE: New Xbox 360
By ViperROhb34 on 3/20/2007 4:49:14 PM , Rating: 2
If rumors become true..

The color is cool - but anyone can do that now.

Other then that I'd just buy the 120Gig hardrive and add it to my current 360.. unless I see alot of reasons to upgrade.. such as the quieter DVD drive MS has made a deal with another company to be in the 360 in place of the louder one.


RE: New Xbox 360
By Ralph The Magician on 3/20/2007 4:56:20 PM , Rating: 3
Why? I got an Xbox 360 four months ago and it doesn't bother me. I saved the box and everything. If a new one comes out I just sell the old one for $50 less what I paid for it (assuming the rumors are true and the prices of the old SKUs aren't changing), and then get the new one. In the end I paid an extra $50 to play for the last 4 months. Big deal.


RE: New Xbox 360
By encryptkeeper on 3/20/2007 5:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
You better hope that the old saying "There's a sucker born every minute" is true if you decide to sell yours for a 50 dollar discount after several months. What idiot would pay that close to regular price for a used system?


RE: New Xbox 360
By aos007 on 3/20/2007 6:06:16 PM , Rating: 2
What sucker? Why, an EBay buyer of course. The ridiculous prices there never cease to amaze me. Often, something sells only a few bucks under the sale price of a big-box store. Makes me wonder if people who are buying are actually earning the money they're spending.


RE: New Xbox 360
By LecM on 3/20/2007 6:48:10 PM , Rating: 2
I think there is an explanation for this. People that doesnt live in USA could buy this on eBay because it is not available on retail stores. For example, I live in Brazil, and buying this on eBay can be cheaper than the best offer I can find here. I could buy it on Newegg, of course, but the majority of online stores doesnt ship to foreign countries. Pardon for my bad english.


RE: New Xbox 360
By walk2k on 3/20/2007 7:37:53 PM , Rating: 3
"There's a sucker born every minute" - I think that is Ebay's offical slogan.


RE: New Xbox 360
By Ralph The Magician on 3/20/2007 8:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
Why is that? All current rumor information leads us to believe that there may be three Xbox 360 SKUs at price points: $299, $399, and $479-$499. If I have a $399 unit in flawless condition, it's pretty much guranteed that I will get at LEAST $299 for it, since even a "used" $399 Xbox 360 should still be worth more than a new $299 Xbox 360 Core bundle. The HDD alone is $99.

So maybe I'll lose a little more than $50, but I know that I won't lose more than $100.


RE: New Xbox 360
By encryptkeeper on 3/21/2007 9:55:33 AM , Rating: 2
100 bucks loss is more likely. I think I'd still buy a new one rather than one where I had no warranty, no guarantee that it works out of the box, and why would I buy an old one when the new one is out?


RE: New Xbox 360
By Ralph The Magician on 3/21/2007 10:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
Unless your Xbox is registered, I believe the 1yr limited warranty is technically transferable. It may be transferable even IF it's been registered, I'm not sure.

You have no guarantee that it works out of the box if you buy it at a store either. Ever gotten anything DOA?

Why would anyone buy a core? Apparently there are reasons, and people do, price being the #1 reason.


RE: New Xbox 360
By geeg on 3/20/2007 5:12:09 PM , Rating: 5
I still regret purchasing a PS1 several Christmas ago given I could get a PS3 now. I think I will wait and buy a PS5 in the near future. Or maybe I should wait more for PS6?


RE: New Xbox 360
By robertgu on 3/20/2007 5:41:41 PM , Rating: 5
Well said.

Anybody used to technology knows that there is always something better "around the corner". If we try to wait for the best release for a product we'll be waiting forever and never be actually enjoying the product (see PC technology; it's on what, a 4 month updated "release" cycle?)

I brought a Xbox during the holidays. I am not in the least disappointed of buying when I did. I've had many enjoyable hours on it. When the black box does get released, it will likely be another 6 months from now. That means I've enjoyed playing an Xbox for about 9 to 10 months while someone continues to "hold out".

I say enjoy what you own today and forget about buyers remorse. When it comes to technology products, if you let it get to you, you'll never enjoy your purchases.


RE: New Xbox 360
By MonkeyPaw on 3/20/2007 5:27:26 PM , Rating: 5
I own an "old" 360, and I currently have no need for a 120GB HDD, nor do I have an HDTV with an HDMI port. The argument doesn't change--as long as I can play every game, I could care less about the extra stuff. The other stuff is nice and all, but to me they are trivial and they are not the reasons why I bought a 360 in the first place.

Then again, I purchased my 360 back in February of 2006, so I've been enjoying mine for over a year already. I suppose everyone who waited for the "updated" model gets a better machine, but I've been actually playing games instead of waiting that whole time. That's the thing with the tech industry--you can always wait for something better.


RE: New Xbox 360
By aju on 3/20/2007 5:36:07 PM , Rating: 1
I bought mine at Costco for this very purpose. I heard the rumors and I just figured if Microsoft pulled a quick one and released a new system instead of a upgraded HDMI connection cable, I would just return it. Even though they have a new 90 day return policy on some electronic devices, game consoles are not part of the list. Besides, I purchased it previous to the change. I returned my last 360 there after having it a year. I got the red-ring of death. Costco gave me all my money back and I turned around and bought another one from them. It was even $25 cheaper! I am not satisfied with the 1080p via VGA on the current version. I see artifacts. If HDMI comes out, I will be getting one pronto.


RE: New Xbox 360
By darkpaw on 3/20/2007 5:54:06 PM , Rating: 5
Exchanging the one the busted is a good deal, exchanging for an upgraded version is the kind of crap that got their return policy nerfed in the first place.


RE: New Xbox 360
By aju on 3/20/2007 6:15:42 PM , Rating: 2
True, but I am a loyal Costco member and I spend about $20,000 a year there. I have only taken 3 things back in 15 years so I doubt I am hurting their bottom line. The warrantee is a 100% satisfaction warrantee, not a manufactures defect warrantee. That means that if I am not satisfied with the product for any reason whatsoever, I can return it no questions asked. That is why I pay for a membership there and always will. That is why I buy everything I can there. Its called peace of mind. They have the faith in their product to offer that warantee. That’s much better customer service than Best Buy or CompUSA whose return policy is not good enough to wipe my rear with. Yeah, I buy Costco toilet paper too, much more comfortable that Best Buy rebate forms and extended warrantee paper work.


RE: New Xbox 360
By walk2k on 3/20/2007 7:00:23 PM , Rating: 2
Costco changed their return policy to 30 days now.


RE: New Xbox 360
By glennpratt on 3/20/2007 5:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares. This one costs more anyway. Do you get pissed when the next model year of your car includes a new color choice and a bigger gas tank?


RE: New Xbox 360
By jtyson on 3/20/2007 7:02:59 PM , Rating: 1
I know I'm going to be down-rated for saying this, but I just gotta point this out...

Does anybody else notice that by releasing a black Xbox360 with a larger hard drive and an HDMI connection, Microsoft would be making their console extremely similar to a certain competitor's console? I'm not going to say which one, but... well, use your imagination.

Of course, the other side of this issue is the fact that, if Microsoft were to release this "Xbox540", they're essentially admitting that the first two versions of the Xbox360 weren't exactly up to snuff. Is Microsoft willing to admit to playing catch-up?

I'm willing to bet Yes.


RE: New Xbox 360
By PrimarchLion on 3/20/2007 10:58:15 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think the Wii has HDMI or a hard drive...


RE: New Xbox 360
By Pirks on 3/20/2007 11:18:18 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think Wii is black


RE: New Xbox 360
By PrimarchLion on 3/20/2007 11:28:34 PM , Rating: 2
Touché

When the Wii (Revolution) was first shown did they have a black model with blue lighting. If so, hopefully they eventually release that one. Might be my imagination too.


RE: New Xbox 360
By PseudoKnight on 3/21/2007 3:36:45 AM , Rating: 2
The original XBOX was black. The original XBOX had a hard drive while company x's product did not. Furthermore, product x had a newer version of it's own including a new controller with more features. This new 360 adds nothing to gameplay, as it should be. This is the right move and it's not a game of catch up. It's competition.


RE: New Xbox 360
By crimson117 on 3/21/2007 1:10:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Of course, the other side of this issue is the fact that, if Microsoft were to release this "Xbox540", they're essentially admitting that the first two versions of the Xbox360 weren't exactly up to snuff.
No. They're releasing an upgrade to a computer-like gaming machine that's nearly 2 years old. I don't see anything wrong with that.


RE: New Xbox 360
By ani4ani on 3/21/2007 6:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
If they are, and I dont actually think they are, they are now providing the ability to add a HD Drive after saying it wasn't needed, a bigger hard drive after they said it wasn't needed, 1080P after they said no can see the difference, and now HDMI after they said it wasn't needed. MS catchup me thinks, and now only $20 less than a PS3 and still extra to pay for a HD DVD drive. Funny how things go round :)


RE: New Xbox 360
By therealnickdanger on 3/22/2007 10:47:51 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, it comes down to choice. And let's keep in mind, nothing regarding this new SKU has been confirmed or denied by Microsoft, so we're speculating on speculation.

quote:
add a HD Drive after saying it wasn't needed

You only need a HDD for content downloads, backward compatibility and gamesaves. A single memory card will suffice for anyone not interested in online gaming or old games. This allows consumers to choose to buy the Xbox360 for $299.

quote:
a bigger hard drive after they said it wasn't needed

A larger hard drive certainly isn't needed for gaming, this is primarily to support their Video Marketplace and IPTV goals. If none of that stuff interests you, you are free to purchase the Xbox360 for $399 or $299, depending upon what you want. After all, you can always upgrade the HDD later if you change your mind.

quote:
1080P after they said no can see the difference

Honestly, given the minimal number of 1080p sets availble back then, you can't really blame them for not supporting it. There are hardly enough 1080p sets in homes to warrant the addition even now. Besides, what are you complaining about? Every Xbox360 can do 1080p now, right? They didn't charge extra for the update, right? So far, Sony has been unable to prove that 1080p-rendered games look better than 720p-rendered games on Xbox360 - a trend which will remain true for as long as the Xbox360's GPU is superior to RSX... so, forever.

quote:
HDMI after they said it wasn't needed

Again, when the 360 came out, HDMI specs were not finalized (1.3 wasn't even available), and few to no HDTVs had the ports. Controller chips were available, but would have added extreme cost to the machine. Now, for people that have HDMI-enabled displays, they are offering another choice for consumers.

Sony's choice has been clear: $500 or $600. Just like the die-shrink, it is likely that HDMI will filter down to all revisions of the Xbox360 over time. Rumor has it that the Core will eventually be phased out in favor of only having units with HDDs - a move I believe they should have done to begin with. Lots of developers lament Microsoft's choice to stray from that feature.


RE: New Xbox 360
By ncage on 3/20/2007 8:17:53 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Too bad for those who purchased this over the past holiday season and now. I feel for those people. If that was me, I would be really peeved at Microsoft.


Jesus you people whine to freakn much. Do you get upset when you buy a new car and then the next year they redesign it and you like it better or they add more horsepower? Get over it already!!! Their cost have probably dropped and they are probably just doing tweaks and such so it will stand up better against the ps3. "I would be peeved at microsoft"....WHAT A JOKE!!!


RE: New Xbox 360
By themadmilkman on 3/20/2007 11:33:36 PM , Rating: 1
No, I wouldn't be peeved, because car companies don't drop upgrades without saying a single word about them.

It's people who bought the console VERY recently that are feeling buyer's remorse, which is understandable.


RE: New Xbox 360
By vitul on 3/20/2007 11:55:56 PM , Rating: 2
lol i expected to see hate in this thread about the new 360 but yet everyone is so supportive yet the ps3 does something and everyone bashes the crap out of it. i for 1 an really upset about this because i can really use the hdmi and the bigger hdd myself but now i probably will never get that model because i already spent the 400+tax for the current model.


RE: New Xbox 360
By Rockjock51 on 3/21/2007 3:23:31 AM , Rating: 2
What exactly has the PS3 done that was comparable to this and got the crap bashed out of it? As far as I've heard, the PS3 is taking away hardware, not adding it.


RE: New Xbox 360
By Lucid484 on 3/21/2007 6:25:22 AM , Rating: 2
actually car companies do this all the time....that what hapened with my car an 05 Acura RSX-S there were a page full of changes that were made over teh 04 version uncludiong alot of suspension and engine work and they never announced any of it!


RE: New Xbox 360
By themadmilkman on 3/21/2007 1:56:53 PM , Rating: 2
But you knew that it was a new model year. It's why some people wait until the end of the year and buy the old model year car, at a huge discount.

Car companies are predictable. The changes MS are making are not. I don't own any of the next gen systems (all 3 are too expensive for me) but I can se how this behavior can be frustrating as a consumer.


RE: New Xbox 360
By AnotherGuy on 3/21/2007 8:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
U payed 400 + tax???

Well ur own fault... u could've gotten it from Newegg for 400 shipped without tax... now go back to crying


RE: New Xbox 360
By vitul on 3/21/2007 12:02:05 AM , Rating: 2
the difference is there shouldnt be "upgraded" models for a console that should be good for 5 years or so until they release the next xbox which would be the new version of the car. and if you want to put it in terms with cars when u buy a car if it doesnt come with navigation u can go buy the navigation from the dealer. you cant put hdmi in yourself.


RE: New Xbox 360
By LatinMessiah on 3/21/2007 12:45:12 PM , Rating: 2
I purchased a 360 over the holiday season and I couldn't be happier. It made the holidays much more fun.


Price
By MarcLeFou on 3/20/2007 4:44:01 PM , Rating: 2
479$ ?

I figured they'd wait until september or october, eliminate the core and put the premium in its price point and release this one at the current premium pricing.

There's no way I'd even think about paying 500$ for this. I'd rather get a 20 gig PS3 for that price!!!




RE: Price
By ViperROhb34 on 3/20/2007 4:53:51 PM , Rating: 2
Not me, no good games, even the same games on both consoles often look or play better on the 360.. not an opinion only but also in many reviews..IGN, Game Informer.. Aka.. Tony Hawk, Medal Of Honor.. and upcoming Assasins Creed in which the game developer said in Game Informer that the 360 version actually had more content because the 360 was much more programmer friendly.

Im speaking a gamer.. I dont care about BLuray or HD-dvd right now.. I still watch Widescreen DVD on my High Def Widescreen tv. Maybe in a few yrs I'll get a stand alone High Def Player..


RE: Price
By robber98 on 3/20/2007 5:41:17 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm.. I don't know what you think but I think Devil May Cry 4 and Ace Combat 6 are great games. ;)


RE: Price
By milomnderbnder21 on 3/20/2007 10:31:55 PM , Rating: 2
You mean the Devil May Cry and Ace Combat 6 that are now coming out for the Xbox 360?

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/774/774093p1.html

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/774/774129p1.html


RE: Price
By milomnderbnder21 on 3/20/2007 10:34:25 PM , Rating: 2
In fact, at this point, AC6 is only announced for the 360, and until otherwise stated by the makers, is 360 exclusive, according to the ign link.


RE: Price
By vitul on 3/21/2007 12:04:55 AM , Rating: 2
your also reffering to games that were a direct port from the 360 to the ps3, the reason they dont look as good is the developers fault for being lazy and not taking the time on the ps3 versions and just putting them out to make a quick buck.


RE: Price
By Rockjock51 on 3/21/2007 3:26:11 AM , Rating: 2
Wasn't his point, really. He was commenting on the current lack of games for the PS3, not the hardware's capabilities.


RE: Price
By JimFear on 3/21/2007 4:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
And the 360's 11 launch titles were really smash hits weren't they :)

"Sorry Perfect Dark Zero, 1999 called and they wan't their lack of bump mapping back!"

I'm far more impressed with the PS3 launch titles (I'm British so I get more than you) than I was with teh 360's but rather than being some anal retentive fanboy about it I intend to get the PS3 because I love playing games, I have a 360 which I enjoy but have become a little bored with so I'm after a nice refreshing change.


RE: Price
By Murst on 3/20/2007 5:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
Umm... according to the article, the elite is a limited edition. Some time after the black elite goes on sale (and prob sells out), the elite will be made in a white enclosure and sold in place of the premium 360, possibly w/ the same price as the premium. No info on the wifi though.


RE: Price
By AstroCreep on 3/20/2007 5:27:28 PM , Rating: 2
Where did you read that? I didn't find that anywhere in the article or the links above.
I ended up finding it in an article on Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/xbox-360-elite-... ); is that what you meant?


RE: Price
By Murst on 3/20/2007 11:43:50 PM , Rating: 2
yep :)


RE: Price
By Alexstarfire on 3/20/07, Rating: -1
RE: Price
By darkpaw on 3/20/2007 5:49:43 PM , Rating: 2
I do agree with most of this, but even as someone that really wants a WII I'm not sure how it'll hold up after two-three years. Sure the games will be good regardless of graphics, but all of the primo games are pretty much scheduled for the first year or so (basically all the Nintendo first party games).

Big question for me is, since Nintendo went the cheap route why can't they make enough units to actually meet demand?


RE: Price
By boogle on 3/20/2007 6:15:40 PM , Rating: 3
Are you kidding? You're saying because MS consider multiple options, they're failing? Microsoft are in the top 100 of largest companies (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/18/06f2000_The-Fo... - position 55), with a profit margin of ~26%. Sony by comparison are tiny, Nintendo even more so. MS, like Intel make so much profit on their products overall that they can afford to make horrendous R&D mistakes, and not have to worry about it - and both have, too.

It's good that a company is willing to experiment with their own products. The last thing you want to do is go down one avenue, never considering other options. Worst thing you can possibly do is ignore your customers, and/or fail to improve your products. If you can do a Nintendo and sell the same product multiple times, all the better.


RE: Price
By 8steve8 on 3/20/2007 7:48:02 PM , Rating: 4
wow.. intellegence... in a comment???


RE: Price
By Axbattler on 3/20/2007 6:17:31 PM , Rating: 2
I am not sure what you mean by "they fail at everything".

Conducted properly, prototypes provide feedbacks that can be used to improve future products. It's cheaper than to mass product the first idea that looks good on paper.

And what makes you think that Nintendo didn't go through as many iterations of prototypes? It may be that Nintendo made the right choice in going for a 'pure' gaming console that is more affordable than the competition, but I suspect that is the more direct cause of the Wii costing less, as opposed to MS spending too much on prototyping.


RE: Price
By aju on 3/20/2007 6:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
Better buy quick. I have seen a couple articles stating the 20 gig PS3 is going bye bye. Sony is loosing way to much on it. If that happens there will be no fully digital HD competition at that price point.
Honestly, the pricier PS3 with 60gb hard drive is a rip off at $599. If you can get the new Xbox 360 with full HDMI 1080p support, twice the size hard drive and the add-on HD-DVD drive for only about $70 more. I see very little value in a PS3. Add to that the existing ability to use the 360 as a media center extender and new HD content on xbox live, and Sony seems overpriced and really quite limited.


RE: Price
By UNCjigga on 3/21/2007 11:35:31 AM , Rating: 2
Does the article state that the new Xbox will have full 1080p support via HDMI? That's news to me...


RE: Price
By chrnochime on 3/21/2007 2:19:43 PM , Rating: 2
Rip off at 599?? Why is there still MS fanboys making this statement anyway?

All your assertions about this new hypothetical 360 being a bargain rest on one assumption, that it'll be produced. Even if that's true, when you tag on that HD-DVD drive it sure isn't going to cost "only about $70" What makes you think M$ is going to just reduce that unit's MSRP by 2/3? And wow 100 dollars for that 120GB unit that sure is cheap cheap cheap LOL

And where does it say it'll get 1080p support?


RE: Price
By hergieburbur on 3/22/2007 11:18:11 PM , Rating: 2
I can put Linux on my PS3 and have it do basically anything I want, including using it as a DRM-free media center. Considering I can write and compile my own apps for the PS3 to do pretty much ANYTHING I want, it actually doesn't seem "really quite limited" to me at all.

Plus, The $600 PS3 also comes with the card reader and WiFi, so your $70 comparison doesn't really hold up.


RE: Price
By walk2k on 3/20/2007 7:05:07 PM , Rating: 2
$199 for a 120GB drive golly what a bargain!


RE: Price
By PrimarchLion on 3/20/2007 11:18:35 PM , Rating: 2
For a 2.5" hard drive, its not a totally ridiculous price (only about 2x normal price instead of 5x). I wish they would let us hook up any unmodified SATA hard drive to it like Sony does. One of the few nice things about the PS3. 500 GB for $140 would be plenty of space for those downloaded movies and demos.


By Combatcolin on 3/20/2007 6:32:36 PM , Rating: 3
While there are right not to split the 360 game market between 2 formats, DVD and HD DVD, not including a HD-DVD drive on a top end model is wrong.

There competitor, Sony have such a feature with Blu-Ray so Microsoft should do the same with HD DVD.

Alongside the wait for Halo 3 and Sega Rally 3 this is the reason i am holding back.




By Mitch101 on 3/20/2007 7:18:35 PM , Rating: 2
I am dissapointed that Microsoft will not be including the HD-DVD internally on the unit. I dont want my components in my HDTV set up to look cluttered like my PC does with its add ons. I simply dont like the look of the 360 with an additional HD-DVD drive next to it.

I feel Microsoft has no guts to compete with SONY on the format wars and has wimped out. Ballmer has gome ball less.

Whether we want to admit it this puts a the first single nail in the coffin for HD-DVD. Its not over but its the beginning.

The PS3 will sell for those who want the HD abilities of the BlueRay Drive reguardless of it being a gaming machine and this will create a solid base for BlueRay to build upon.

In order for HD-DVD to win it needs its set top units to drop in price pretty quickly to get the ball rolling otherwise its fairly doomed.

If anyone could have prevented BlueRay from taking over it was Microsoft promoting it internally on an XBOX 360 as the XBOX 360 outsells the PS3. But HD-DVD add ons for the XBOX360 do not outsell PS3's. Advantage BlueRay with Sony.


By Gatt on 3/21/2007 12:57:00 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, this is pretty amusing...

PS3 forces a BR drive on all consumers with no real use for games, Microsoft offers it as an option for those who want to watch movies.

PS3 offers a 1 year warranty, Microsoft realizes there's a higher than average failure rate due to the company producing DVD drives being crappy and opts to boost the warranty to 1 year to support the old models while switching companies.(Unlike Sony who pretends their batteries aren't exploding)

PS3 has HDMI, MS adds it in since IT WASN'T AVAILABLE in usable form when 360 was released(Might want to make sure you know what you're talking about occasionally).

PS3 has a larger HD due to it's BR Player's extremely slow speed, MS adds a larger HD since people are interested in downloadable content, and keeps it as an option so those who aren't interested aren't forced to pay for it.

PS3 is black, Xbox is black to give people bragging rights.

You almost have to feel sorry for PS3 though, their console is so good all but two of their "exclusvie" studios have jumped ship for MS. And it looks like their biggest, Square, will jump ship soon. Sony's doing really well here, going to be tough for MS to beat them since all MS has is price advantage, a better online service, and pretty much all of the Developers...


By walk2k on 3/25/2007 1:56:52 PM , Rating: 1
HDMI 1.0 came out in 2002 and 1.1 (the version most widely in use to this day) came out in 2004.

The average transfer rate of the 2x BD drive in the PS3 and the 12x DVD in the 360 are roughly the same.

"Might want to make sure you know what you're talking about occasionally." Nice try fanbot.


By Circle T on 3/21/2007 12:59:40 AM , Rating: 2
Sony HAD the Grand Theft Auto exclusive, lost it to MS.
Sony HAD the Virtua Fighter exclusive, lost it to MS.
Sony HAD the Assassins Creed exclusive, lost it to MS.
Sony HAD the Devil May Cry exclusive, lost it to MS.
Sony HAD the Ace Combat exclusive, lost it to MS.
Sony HAD the Mercenaries 2 exclusive, lost it to MS.
Sony HAD rumble in their controllers, OH WAIT....

Hmm, pretty amusing isn't it?? Sony had things VERY right for a long time. But, when you make the changes that they did, you just can't expect everyone will just follow you blindly, be that customers or developers. MS is doing a LOT of things very well right now. Lots of consoles sold, a great online system, great system exclusives, with more and more previously-exclusive games (MGS soon?) jumping ship from Sony as we speak.

This new box just gives people more options to choose from when comparing systems. And, with Sony in a swirl, now is just as good a time as you could ask for. A great catalog of current games. An amazing catalog of games coming this year and beyond. And now a new, updated system with some extra features. Thats a pretty compelling argument for people who might be teetering on the fence between the two.

I have all 3 current systems, so it really doesn't matter to me. But, I'm all for more options when it comes to these things. I'm a Gran Turismo and nut, so a PS3 was a must have for me, so the non-first party exclusive battle doesn't really matter to me. I'll buy the game on whatever system is plays better on. But, to put it like you did...

You almost feel sorry for the once hugely dominant, now bumbling Sony...


By giantpandaman2 on 3/22/2007 4:09:47 PM , Rating: 2
Sony does not equal Blu-Ray. It's just the most visible memorable of the Blu-Ray alliance.

Microsoft is doing exactly the right thing in this case. 120GB w/HDMI will allow it to be a Standard and High Def. IPTV digital box. In other words, why allow people to use discs when it can make more money selling HD movies directly through XBox Live? Not to mention it will have the ability to "lock in" any bought content to Microsoft supported software. In other words, you buy through Xbox Live, you can only use it on an Xbox, or, maybe a Vista HTPC with all the DRM goodies.

Of course, that's just one of the reasons I'm still not paying for HD content with a ten foot pool. ATSC tuners for the win.


For me...
By Nick5324 on 3/20/2007 4:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
I know that for most people, the biggest features they are looking for in the xbox360 revision are a bigger hard drive and HDMI, which this delivers. I've been holding off on an xbox360 for a cooler running unit (65nm chips and/or better cooling) and a quieter DVD drive (which units built as of November already have). I also happen to like xbox360 in black more than white.

This means that if I want a cooler running xbox and for it to be black, I'll have to pony up for the HDMI and HDD upgrade. I realize I could buy an after market cooler for a current xbox360, and then buy either a black skin or a black replacement case, but those two items cover about half of the $80 extra for the "Elite"..... I might as well just get an elite.

Bummer on no wireless though; I guess they don't want to undercut the add-on wireless accessory.




RE: For me...
By CKDragon on 3/20/2007 5:28:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This means that if I want a cooler running xbox and for it to be black


I believe your statement will be correct on the black color part, initially. But it would make absolutely no financial (or common) sense to continue putting the hotter-running 90nm chips in even the Core and Premium models.

Why? Because (once the fab is up and running) the 65nm chip is cheaper to produce for Microsoft, which is a very large part of the reason a console company would strive to lower the die size. Obviously, the reason Intel, AMD, and the like are trying to squeeze more power out of a cooler chip.

Of course, not to mention that a cooler running chip will reduce the repair and return costs that MS incurs.

My conclusion: The 65nm chip will be in EVERY Xbox 360 SKU as soon as it's available.


RE: For me...
By caqde on 3/20/2007 11:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My conclusion: The 65nm chip will be in EVERY Xbox 360 SKU as soon as it's available.


I doubt it. You forget that AMD and Intel still sell their old chips so they can get rid of inventory. So I bet Microsoft will still make 90nm Xbox360's until their old inventory is almost gone then move on to all 65nm Xbox360's.


RE: For me...
By CKDragon on 3/21/2007 4:12:23 PM , Rating: 2
Of course, I'm sure they'll sell through their old inventory. It's not like they'd just throw them out. Perhaps I assumed other people would see my assumption. Darn "You know what happens when you assume?" line applies...


i believe everything in this article EXCEPT
By agent2099 on 3/20/2007 7:16:22 PM , Rating: 2
Except the price that is.

The 360 has not had a price drop in 18 months. There is no way MS can expect to get an additional $79 for this version. Most likely this version will just replace the current premimum version and it will be sold at the price of $399




RE: i believe everything in this article EXCEPT
By Mitch101 on 3/20/2007 7:26:15 PM , Rating: 2
$79.00 ensures you wont get the rings of death.

Im sorry I am a supporter of Microsoft products but this is BULL.

Companies move to 65nm to save costs not to price gouge people into paying more for a cooler running longer lasting x-box 360. The 90nm parts run hot and they need 65nm to stabilize the system.

If anything this seals the deal that I will go with a Nintendo Wii and that the 360 is off my radar screen.


RE: i believe everything in this article EXCEPT
By Mitch101 on 3/20/2007 7:28:06 PM , Rating: 2
If anything they should lower the cost of the White X-Box and sell the Black version at $399.00

Then include the HD-DVD internal version also.

Sorry But I am miffed about this oh well. PC for gaming and Nintendo Wii for console.


By LtFarva on 3/21/2007 8:57:07 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget to add $99 for the wifi adapter (which at that price better be made of gold). Unless of course you don't mind running wires everywhere, then by all means, disregard this post.

I want a 360, but as with me, my pc and wii will be fine for quite a while. And who knows, by the time the 360 + wifi price will be where I want it, the ps3 might be the same price. It could happen.


By BMFPitt on 3/20/2007 4:32:05 PM , Rating: 2
I hope they announce it soon, because I'll be moving out of my current apartment soon and that means I'll be separated from my roommate's 360. This is definitely an upgrade worth waiting for when getting my own, I just wonder how long I'll need to wait...

By the way, anyone have info on whether it's possible to transfer arcade games you bought with your own account from one XBox to another?




By ViperROhb34 on 3/20/2007 4:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
On your question..

I'm pretty sure Xbox Live Arcade Games can be stored on a flash drive and transferred in this manner..


By jkresh on 3/20/2007 7:27:02 PM , Rating: 2
as long as you move your xboxlive account to the new systems all arcade games should be redownloadable (though your probably wont be able to play them when you are not connected to xbox live).


ha
By Jeff7181 on 3/20/2007 4:52:39 PM , Rating: 2
Under $200 = $199.99




RE: ha
By ViperROhb34 on 3/20/2007 5:00:48 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe, but it could be easily 149.00 or 179.00 .. right now since its all rumor nothing can be trusted.

But if ..You think not ?
Just look at MS rediculous pricing scheme on the memory chips!
the 512 MB chip for 360 is only like 10 dollars more then the much smaller 64 MB ..

64 MB Chip = 39.99
512 MB Chip = 49.99


RE: ha
By Visual on 3/21/2007 7:46:59 AM , Rating: 2
you make it sound like you want the 512mb chip to be more expensive. i don't really like the idea, but can't say there's no logic in it.

but the 20gb hdd costs just twice as much as the 512mb chip price now, and has 40 times the capacity... so while i don't like it, i think the 20gb hdd should have a higher price too then, to make things logical. something like $1000 sounds reasonable.

;)


hdmi and component
By scaar420 on 3/21/2007 12:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
I got my 360 on launch, no problems what so ever, been useing the component HD cable on my DLP, i have the HD-DVD player, and the quality is just freaking amazing. I don't think there would be a different in the quality that i see if i switched to a HDMI cable. HDMI is more for outputting your computer to your HDTV as to get better configurations (if your using a All in Wonder type card that is). The only thing that gets my attention at all here is the 120gig HDD, but im hoping Microsoft will give the 360 the ability to write data to an external USB HDD sometime soon so i can save my HD movies/shows to it. Honestly if your useing Component HD currently and your TV does NO support 1080p and isn't over 52", then HDMI isn't gonna be any different from Component HD at all, seriously. Don't get your socks in a knot over this new system.




RE: hdmi and component
By deeznuts on 3/21/2007 12:44:39 PM , Rating: 2
Without HDMI the full audio capabilities of HD DVD can never be realized. There is not enough bandwidth in SPDIF for multi-channel PCM or lossless compressions.


RE: hdmi and component
By themadmilkman on 3/21/2007 1:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
Being absolutely technical, they CAN be realized without HDMI. Analog outputs for each channel would allow full bandwidth.

Be careful with the word 'never,' since it is almost never the case.


Aww man
By nerdboy on 3/20/2007 4:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
If I would have known this was coming out I would have waited to purchase my 360.




RE: Aww man
By NaughtyGeek on 3/20/2007 4:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
That's why they keep saying that these are just rumors. They don't want to hurt sales of the current models available. Judging by the fact that a higher price is listed for this unit, I'd guess we're getting close to an official announcement.


"New" Xbox my ass
By The Boston Dangler on 3/20/2007 8:07:31 PM , Rating: 2
This is exactly what music and movie companies do. Come up with a product, then make several cuts or downgrades. Stagger the multiple releases, and sell the same ice to the same Eskimos over and over.

This isn't a new Xbox, it's been on paper since the beginning, and it's what they should have released in the first place. I hope you enjoy getting fleeced.




RE: "New" Xbox my ass
By Circle T on 3/21/2007 1:17:42 AM , Rating: 2
No one is forced to buy this. If you don't want or need the extra stuff it offers, don't buy it. Its not like this version will play games that the other earlier versions won't.

I have a 360. I don't need HDMI. I don't use the HDD for anything but game saves and the occasional trailer. And, I really don't care about the color of the box. Thus, I don't need this box, so I won't be buying it.


65nm revision?
By dreddly on 3/20/2007 4:50:04 PM , Rating: 1
The HDMI output is great along with the bigger drive, but if the 65nm revision isn't there, I still won't be buying.

The current xbox 360 GPU and CPU are too close together for that amount of heat, and I don't trust the solder and motherboard in the long run given the number of problems with it to this point.

That's the info I really want.




RE: 65nm revision?
By afkrotch on 3/21/2007 12:39:08 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with him. Unless it's 65nm, what's the point? You can buy a larger hdd and you already get HD with all the other various 360 connections. Not like HDMI is going to make the HD look any more HD.

I've seen to many friends who've had their 360 die from overheating. Search Ebay. You'll see the huge amount of broken 360s for sale. Like 90% of them are overheating. Was stupid of Microsoft to use a single heatsink for the gpu and memory.


Only that?
By MrJim on 3/21/2007 1:42:41 AM , Rating: 3
Why not add an DVD-RW burner to the revised edition to make it a full PVR.




Surprised.
By VIAN on 3/20/2007 4:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised that the black 360 will be released at a higher price than the current 360. I'm also surprised that they didn't take the idea from Sony and allow an external HDD to be placed onto it.

I think they're trying to keep the console and peripherals nice and neat (and make as much money off of peripherals as possible), but if we have to cycle through multiple 360 drives, that would defeat the purpose. It would have been better for the 360 to have a small HDD for console use and then have an external HDD for media.




By mobutu on 3/20/2007 5:07:03 PM , Rating: 2
Xbox 360 Elite: New, Black Limited Edition Xbox with HDMI and 120GB drive
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/xbox-360-elite-...




I like the Black
By deeznuts on 3/20/2007 6:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a Sony Fan, but not a fanboy. I might buy this if it indeed comes in black. My original plan was to buy a PS3 at launch (I did) sell for a slight profit (I could have) buy a 360 and wait for games on the PS3. Ended up just opening the damn thing 10 minutes after getting one because I'm have no self-restraint. Anyways, I like the black Xbox much better. The white one is so damn ugly IMO.




3rd Party HDD hack
By Alpha4 on 3/20/2007 10:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
So would this enable users to mount a third party HDD with up to 120GB storage via the tool disclosed two months ago?
(http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5875)

A lot of commenter's speculated that this would be feasible once a larger capacity Xbox360 HDD was released because the updated firmware would allow them to unlock more space from the 3rd party HDD. Well here we are. ;)




april hoax
By dtex on 3/21/2007 4:04:49 AM , Rating: 2
ever thought that this might be a april hoax?




wait.... april edition of
By otispunkmeyer on 3/21/2007 5:07:03 AM , Rating: 2
a mag/online report

april fools perhaps?

still it looks splendid in black




By athlonotaku on 3/27/2007 1:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
I could give a hoot about who has better games, who has the bigger hard drive, who has more capabilities than the other, because if you dont have a functioning console to play them on, your bragging right go right down the tube.

I've gone through 3 xbox 360's. The third time I got the red ring of death I just asked for my money back.

I've since purchased a PS3 and although they have a limited game selection, at least I can play the games without my console freezing/getting a disc read error/rrod/ect...




Xbox 360.5
By klondon101 on 3/28/2007 3:21:31 PM , Rating: 2
I think that Microsoft is putting this out prematurely. It makes them look weak and a little scared. The real Elite should have the 65nm chip and be more than just a HD upgrade. There will be changes to this device yet again and then there will be a whole new batch of people upset. I love my Xbox 360! I think MS should have found a way to let current users upgrade to the new unit. Not that I would right now, as there are going to be more changes made. Microsoft....if you are listening, show some allegiance to the people who are supporting your efforts...not just "new users"




Haha
By encryptkeeper on 3/20/2007 5:30:56 PM , Rating: 1
Hey, the ring is green in that picture, shouldn't it show the true new Xbox 360 ring color, red?




Ooooo....black!
By LatinMessiah on 3/20/2007 6:18:48 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sold.




Damn..
By IceTron on 3/21/07, Rating: 0