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“And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say?” - Bill Gates on the Mac ads
Bill Gates takes exception to Apple's "lying" ads

With the launch of Windows Vista, Bill Gates is giving it the proverbial ‘one hundred and ten percent’ in explaining to everyone in the world why they should care about the new operating system.

In response to analyst speculation that Windows Vista could be the last Microsoft operating system of its kind, as we know it, Gates replies to Newsweek, “Well, people have said that at every major Windows release. Java was going to eliminate Windows programming, or thin clients were going to eliminate people buying PCs.”

The Microsoft chairman says that operating systems keep getting better and richer and that there are no shortages of radical things that will be happening in the next release. When asked if Microsoft will be back with a new OS in 2010-2011, Gates was confident enough to say, “Absolutely.”

Gates said that the next version of Windows “will be more user-centric,” meaning that users should be able to move from PC to PC, whether or not it is their own, and still be able to access much of their own information by using Live Services, regardless of where they are. “So even if you drop by a [public] kiosk or somebody else's PC, we can bring down your home page, your files, your fonts, your favorites and those things.”

“In Vista things got a lot better with [digital] ink and speech but by the next release there will be a much bigger bet,” Gates predicted. “Students won't need textbooks, they can just use these tablet devices.”

“Parallel computing is pretty important for the next release. We'll make it so that a lot of the high-level graphics will be just built into the operating system. So we've got a pretty good outline,” he said.

Coming back to the present, one of the big advantages that Windows Vista provides is a platform for users to jump to for getting instantly caught up on a lot of new technology and security features. Although some of the improvements in Vista can already be found in downloadable updates for Windows XP, the majority of users do not take advantage of added features through Windows Update.

Take, for example, Internet Explorer 7, which is offered to all Windows XP users as an optional update. According to Gates, less than a third of Windows XP users downloaded the new browser, and even less take advantage of less advertised new additions. So how many people have upgraded to IE7? “I would say it's less than 30 percent,” Gates replied. “We’ve had this incredible desktop search [available for download] that won every review, and I’ll bet that less than 10 percent of Windows users went and got that. Now with Windows Vista, you get something better. For most users, it’s the first time they’ve seen it at all.”

With Windows Vista, Microsoft expects that the “wow starts now,” as stated by one of its advertising slogans. But in early January, one of the new Apple TV ads pushing the apparent social-cool factor of a Mac depicted poor “PC” as having to undergo surgery just to upgrade to Windows Vista (see the commercial here). While Bill Gates admits that he hasn’t seen that particular ad, he’s taking exception to the depiction of the PC. “I don't think the over 90 percent of the [population] who use Windows PCs think of themselves as dullards, or the kind of klutzes that somebody is trying to say they are,” he said.

“And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say?” Gates continues to express his disgust with the Apple ads: “Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it.”



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By retrospooty on 2/2/2007 9:53:05 AM , Rating: 5
It makes sense. Apple has a competing platform, and that platform has a very very small percentage of the market. Appx 3% worldwide. Of course their ads are geared to make people want to switch. If you switch based on an ad like that, with no demo of the actual OS and what it can or cannot do, then you might be a redneck. Seriously, who buy a computer based on an ad with 2 guys standing in a room?




RE: well....
By Misty Dingos on 2/2/2007 10:02:13 AM , Rating: 5
Sadly many people think that owning an Apple is a sign of intellectual superiority. I don't think that is the case at all. I think that people who own Apples are saying, whether they want to or not, that owning an Apple says that what the computer does is not nearly as important as the social statement being made. e.g. "I am smarter that a PC owner because I own an Apple." Or "I am more creative than a PC owner because I own an Apple." Or the worse yet. "I am not a lackey of the corporate giants because I own an Apple." The ugly truth is that Apples are a closed standard and because of that they will never be anything more than a novelty computer.


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By DeepThought86 on 2/2/07, Rating: 0
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By retrospooty on 2/2/2007 10:24:18 AM , Rating: 5
No-one that actually knows both platforms thinks that owning an Apple is a sign of intellectual superiority. Perhaps there are some underinformed consumers out there that might think that. And that is what Apple prey's on with thier ads. Oh well, buyer beware.

"The ugly truth is that Apples are a closed standard and because of that they will never be anything more than a novelty computer."

Very very true

Just picture in your mind how stupid the average person is... Now think, half of everyone is stupider than that guy! - George Carlin


RE: well....
By DEredita on 2/2/2007 10:36:04 AM , Rating: 5
While I am a Mac user, I also use Windows too. I am not a fan (yet) of Vista - I do like XP Pro. I have thought of getting a Mac Pro as my main system - but it's a Windows world out there. I reserve my Mac use to my Macbook (and Mini - which btw is grossly outdated and stupid expensive).

See there are Mac users out there that aren't Elitist. LOL


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RE: well....
By retrospooty on 2/2/2007 11:55:08 AM , Rating: 1
Well said. =)

Of course there are. I would wager most of them are't elitist, and are perfectly normal people like you and I. giggetty giggety giggetty goo. ;)


RE: well....
By gspot2016 on 2/2/07, Rating: -1
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By klutzak on 2/2/07, Rating: -1
RE: well....
By TomZ on 2/2/2007 9:42:00 PM , Rating: 5
Like the mac guy, you have your facts wrong, your reality backwards, and your head up your ass. In addition, you think you are superior and that everyone is impressed. But instead, we all stare at you, and like Bill Gates said, we wonder WTF you're talking about, because nothing you say has any relationship to reality. What you think will attract us to you, actually makes us really dislike you.

You sum up perfectly what the rest of the world can't stand about "mac people." In fact, you are the mac guy, aren't you?


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By gt1911 on 2/3/2007 5:14:56 AM , Rating: 2
Amen!


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By retrospooty on 2/4/2007 10:11:18 AM , Rating: 2
I second that. =)


RE: well....
By ScythedBlade on 2/3/2007 6:29:07 PM , Rating: 3
And Bill isn't some dumbass, that's for sure ... I don't think an idiot would be able to make it to be the richest person in the world ...


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By Sasuke on 2/5/2007 4:51:23 AM , Rating: 3
would think a dumbass could become president either ;)

*although gates aint dumb

So can you play the latest games on a mac like dx10 ones when they come out or most current games, cause thats te big deciding factor for me ,and well yeah w00t pc cheaper great thats just icing on the cake really isnt it


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By imattrix on 2/2/07, Rating: -1
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By Yawgm0th on 2/3/2007 4:01:34 AM , Rating: 5
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Do you guys even know the meaning of the word proprietary? Doesn't seem like it. Mac's are far more tolerant of true open standards; just not the M$ proprietary standards that M$ has forced on you. You think Explorer, Exchange, Active X, etc. are closer to open standards than the BSD underpinings of Mac OS X? You think WMV is more open than MP4? WMA is more open than ACC? man, visit a newsgroup once in a while, dorks.


Explorer, Exchange, Active X and BSD have nothing to do with open standards. Explorer is a shell, and there is no "open standard" shell. There are open source shells out there, but that certainly has nothing to do with the highly-proprietary OSX shell. Exchange is an email system based on POP3 and SMTP, and is every bit as "standard" as any other email system. Active X is simply a browser plugin that provides additional functionality for Windows users, although it admittedly is the source of more problems than it is worth.

Is .Mov somehow less proprietary than WMV? Is anything less proprietary than iTunes? Do you really think Windows somehow doesn't support AAC or MP4, or that Mac somehow "embraces" them more?

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Our workforce is about 10% Mac, so there are thousands of Macs on our network. Our IT department doesn't even have to support them. Yet every single PC user that I know at my job has had to have his PC re-imaged, or repaired by IT for software corruption, installation breakdowns, and of course, occasional Malware within the last 3 years. This is all since XP was supposed to fix the problems with 2000, and 95 before that.


Hold on, are you at such a high level in your company that you have intricate knowledge of what the IT department does and doesn't have to support and how often it does? In any case, I'm sure it doesn't have to support them since they probably don't have the same level of interoperability as the Windows computers, so there's much less room for problems. Certainly though, Windows is more vulnerable for an inept user than Mac. But you can't fix ineptitude with software, and such people will inevitably have problems on Macs just as much as they will on PCs.

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PC's are the prevailing platform for business because they are not just cheaper, but cheap period. It doesn't necessarily make you dumb to buy the cheapest crap on the market, but it doesn't make you a genius, either.

PCs are the prevailing platform for business because they work. They have a level of network functionality that Macs simply can't achieve. Try engineering and supporting a Mac network based on Novell or just Samba, and then try using Active Directory. It's a night-and-day difference with ease of use, functionality, and reliability.

I work at an electronics company with about an 85% PC customer base, but about 50% of our support calls are from Mac users. About 80% of our support calls that last more than ten minutes are from Mac users. The software we use is identical for OSX and XP, so how come a higher percentage of Mac users call? Because the majority of Mac users are morons. They don't know how to use a computer, and simply don't have the aptitude to learn adequately. So they go for Mac, which is supposed to "just work" and have superior ease of use. I guess Macs aren't that bad for grandma and grandpa or anyone so inclined to remain CSL, but for anyone who isn't dumb, Windows offers so much more, for so much less.


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By little jon on 2/5/07, Rating: -1
RE: well....
By Obujuwami on 2/5/2007 9:18:12 PM , Rating: 3
Wow, im fairly insulted.

I own my own IT company and we have to support both MS and Apple OS platforms on a daily basis. I like OS X, its nice and things are easy to find but i agree with what alot of people have said, its not better or worse than XP, it's different.

When you compare cars, you don't compare a Honda Civic to an Austin Martin DB7. You compare a Civic to a Toyota Camery or Ford 500 and an Austim Martin to a Jaguar. With that said, people comparing XP and OS X are those who are comparing apples to blueberries (no pun intended).

OS X has its place in the world and so does XP and Vista. MS has the business side of things covered. Apple has the art side of things covered. Neither OS is infalible and I say that with alot of experience under my belt. Linux isnt even infalable and I got a employee that will verify that.

Personally, I prefer XP over Vista and OS X. Not because I am a "sheep" or an "M$ Fan Boy" but because most business use Microsoft products to get through thier daily grind.


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