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Apple iPad

Bill Gates on iTunes in 2003 -- "Jobs has us a bit flat footed again". Bill Gates on the iPad today -- "There’s nothing on the iPad I look at and say, ‘Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.’"  (Source: AP)
Gates admittedly loves some Apple products, but the iPad isn't one of them

When Apple's Steve Jobs took the stage to announce Apple's new tablet, the iPad, it was obviously a moment of tremendous pride and personal satisfaction.  To Jobs, the iPad was a fresh, ambitious new "magical" release from Apple that looked geared to become the next iPhone or iPod.

Despite that ambitious line of thinking, public reception since the event has been decidedly mixed.  Criticism began with the tablet's name, which reminded many of a 2007 Mad TV skit (YouTube) about a feminine hygiene product from Apple that shared the same name.  However, the criticism by many ran far deeper -- the input seemed clumsy, the device lacks the personalized support from the media industry that other Apple launches have had, 3G models are unavailable at launch, and the tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash, one of the integral components of the internet today.

Now Bill Gates has become perhaps the highest profile figure to date to offer criticism of the tablet.  He states in an interview with 
BNET's Brent Schlender, "You know, I’m a big believer in touch and digital reading, but I still think that some mixture of voice, the pen and a real keyboard - in other words a netbook - will be the mainstream on that.  So, it’s not like I sit there and feel the same way I did with iPhone where I say, 'Oh my God, Microsoft didn’t aim high enough.'  It’s a nice reader, but there’s nothing on the iPad I look at and say, ‘Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'"

That significant because Gates has acknowledged both publicly and privately when past Apple products wowed.  Recently released emails from the now-settled antitrust case Comes v. Microsoft antitrust litigation chronicle Gates past frustrations.

Discussing Apple's high profile iTunes store launch in 2003, he writes to a fellow executive, "Steve Jobs ability to focus in on a few things that count, get people who get user interface right and market things as revolutionary are amazing things...However I think we need some plan to prove that even though Jobs has us a bit flat footed again we move quick and both match and do stuff better."

His fellow executive, Jim Allchin, was even more blunt.  He writes, "We were smoked."

However, it's clear that Gates and many of the tech industry's biggest players went from being afraid of being "smoked" yet again by the latest and greatest Apple product, to being largely apathetic, post-iPad launch.  And that's a troublesome sign for Apple.

For all his success, Jobs has had some painful misses.  Most notably he championed Apple TV, a pet project which was never popular, even among the Apple faithful.  Apple has let Apple TV quietly die down as its other recent stars -- the iPod Touch and iPhone -- stole the show.  Will Apple perhaps do the same for the iPad?  That remains to be seen, but one thing's for sure -- Bill Gates isn't losing any sleep over it.



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Makes sense...
By EricMartello on 2/11/2010 8:48:19 AM , Rating: 5
So they took the iPhone, scaled it up in size, removed most of the connectivity/networking features that would make it useful as well as the software/media support (no flash support, for example), then they are surprised it doesn't get a great reception. The cheapest model comes with far too little memory and no way of upgrading it. I would probably stick with a netbook over the ipad if I were in the market for something like this. I'm not even sure what niche the ipad is trying to fill.




RE: Makes sense...
By reader1 on 2/11/10, Rating: -1
RE: Makes sense...
By TSS on 2/11/2010 11:24:40 AM , Rating: 5
Oh come on now.

This is a stretch even by your standards.


RE: Makes sense...
By lightfoot on 2/11/2010 11:48:41 AM , Rating: 2
People who tout the iPad as a better eBook reader than the Kindle are typically the same people who complain when a novel doesn't have pictures in it.

From a reading standpoint:
Kindle = Novel/Newspaper
iPad = Comic book/Magazine

They aren't even in the same league.


RE: Makes sense...
By mcnabney on 2/11/2010 12:18:54 PM , Rating: 2
The Adam, which is due out in June, will be the first device (in this case, a tablet) that uses the new screens that are switchable between regular LCD and B&W reflective (eInk). Both modes can be used at any time, so you can read your eBook in backlit full color and play online games in reflective B&W. The battery life should be excellent, especially if using the B&W mode that only drain 0.5W of power. It runs the Android OS, so it should be a good competitor and will likely run at a lower price too.


RE: Makes sense...
By Motamid on 2/11/2010 12:42:34 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure if you are just talking tablet devices or devices in general, but the original OLPC laptop the XO-1 had both backlit LCD and black and white reflective modes. That was as far back as 2007. Although it used a different method than modern e-ink, the black and white display was quite crisp and easy on the eyes.


RE: Makes sense...
By sxr7171 on 2/15/2010 3:57:11 PM , Rating: 2
Well said. Until we get passive color screens a color "book" is not ready. TFT backlit is horrible for long term reading. This eBook push by Apple is just some kind of hype to make Apple fans think they are getting a better eBook reader.

It's very telling that the "killer app" on this thing is to read books. Its what happens when a device can't multitask, so they sell it to you as a book reader. I pity the fools who fall for that crap.

The real ebook tech is: Qualcomm Mirasol. This iPad has a MAJOR identity crisis.

There will be better tablet computers and there are already better ebook readers.


RE: Makes sense...
By rcc on 2/11/2010 2:29:08 PM , Rating: 2
Please do not feed the troll. It only encourages him/her/it.


RE: Makes sense...
By armulyman on 2/11/2010 10:17:19 PM , Rating: 2
reader1 isn't a troll, it's total satire, his posts are always great for a laugh.


RE: Makes sense...
By Samus on 2/12/10, Rating: 0
RE: Makes sense...
By themaster08 on 2/12/2010 4:18:56 AM , Rating: 2
It makes it quicker to find him. All you need to do is to quick scroll in any Apple or Microsoft related articles, and the red light will guide your way :)


RE: Makes sense...
By Omega215D on 2/12/2010 8:02:36 AM , Rating: 2
sadly this isn't the only site with Reader1 making pro Apple/ anti-MS rants. I believe I saw him post at Cnet and MaximumPC and maybe gizmodo.


RE: Makes sense...
By tdawg on 2/11/2010 1:09:41 PM , Rating: 2
Is there a point at which a commenter rates so low that they receive a suspension or a ban? Reader1 does nothing to advance the "debate", rather he just posts to incite and inflame without making a real argument. Are we sure he doesn't work for Apple's PR department? His posts just clutter actual discussions with useless drivel.


RE: Makes sense...
By FITCamaro on 2/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: Makes sense...
By lightfoot on 2/11/2010 2:26:33 PM , Rating: 3
Nope, and I'm kind of glad there isn't.

Reader1 writes effectively, is usually polite, and presents a totally different view point. Reader1 may also frequently be wrong, or inflammatory, but there are very few other people on this site that inspire as many high ranked posts.

Don't think of all of Reader1's posts that are rated -1 as bad, think of them as inspiration for all of the posts that are rated 5 that immediately follow his. It would be quite boring if only a single viewpoint was discussed, no matter how rational it might be. And if it weren't for Reader1, we would not get the valuable rebuttals that we do.


RE: Makes sense...
By nafhan on 2/11/2010 4:17:15 PM , Rating: 5
I'll say that at least some of the 5's are due to people being disappointed they can't rate the original comment any lower than -1. I'm guilty of that...


RE: Makes sense...
By bety on 2/11/2010 8:33:47 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I'm not familiar with Reader1's past posts, but THIS post is not offensive in any way. If tdawg truly believes reader1 should be banned for this post, it's he who deserves to be banned, since he obviously wishes to censor any opinion that differs from his. One suspects that had Reader1 expressed the exact opposite sentiment while retaining the same expressions:

eg. the ipad is the worse gadget ever created...the ipad is not the ideal viewing device for the net, and not the true successor to the book...

that tdawg would be applauding. Narrow-minded fanboyism at it's finest!


RE: Makes sense...
By themaster08 on 2/12/2010 4:34:50 AM , Rating: 1
I agree also. Whilst I disagree with almost everything he says, he should still be entitled to his opinion.

If Reader1's views really offend you so much, you need to step away from the computer and grow the fuck up.


RE: Makes sense...
By Snow01 on 2/11/2010 10:38:09 PM , Rating: 2
My conspiracy theory: Reader1 is actually........Jason Mick!. If you notice, Mick doesn't take near as much criticism when reader starts the flame war with his illogical, poorly phrased comments. Classic.


RE: Makes sense...
By themaster08 on 2/12/2010 4:28:06 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Reader1 does nothing to advance the "debate"

No, but he has the jokes I've become quite accustomed to every morning.

So thank you, Reader1. Whenever I'm feeling low I just read you comments and realise things could be worse :)


RE: Makes sense...
By porkpie on 2/11/2010 2:35:23 PM , Rating: 2
"The iPad is the best gadget ever created. Netbooks are junk and a ripoff. "

Jason, your skirt is showing. This post has convinced me that "Reader1" is just a pseudonym for you to post inflammatory material that not even you believe in.


RE: Makes sense...
By bety on 2/19/2010 7:12:43 AM , Rating: 2
I think it may well be so! What better way for Mick to get more attention and further his anti-apple bias?


RE: Makes sense...
By seamonkey79 on 2/11/2010 3:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
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Now reader1 has jumped the shark, that comment is so ludicrous as to believe someone has hacked his account.


RE: Makes sense...
By lecanard on 2/11/2010 6:41:16 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The iPad, however, is the ideal viewing device and is the true successor to the book.


Usually successors to things are supposed to be better than their predecessors. A book can be read without eye strain; a computer screen like the iPad has can't.

The Kindle and the Sony reader before it can, though, so not only is the iPad not a step forward in reading devices, it is a step backwards, not just several years to when the Sony reader came out, but several thousand to when people started writing on animal skin, which did not hurt your eyes to read.

The iPad is not an e-reader. E-readers are devices that you would actually want to read on. I wish Steve Jobs hadn't managed to confuse everyone on this issue. E-paper is everything in a reader; that's the Kindle's main feature. So now Apple is ignoring the single most important feature for a e-reader to have and is touting their giant PDA as an e-reader. An e-reader with an LCD screen is about as worthless as a video player with an e-paper screen.


RE: Makes sense...
By atlmann10 on 2/13/2010 7:32:45 PM , Rating: 1
reader1 you have to be the most apathetically single minded and annoying individual I have seen to date on this forum. Much less any other forums and I have been on the net since b4 it existed as the net. How can you have such a one track mind and not venture out of a single path of thought?


RE: Makes sense...
By WoWCow on 2/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: Makes sense...
By rburnham on 2/11/2010 10:30:45 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly, I am not sure what I need an iPad for. Maybe part of it is that I still love regular paper books and have no qualms about carrying a few with me on trips? All the other stuff the iPad does I have no use for when I am on the go.


RE: Makes sense...
By tim851 on 2/11/2010 6:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I am not sure what I need an iPad for


I think most people ask themselves this question. About his class of devices in general. Microsoft's Origami initiative never took off because of this.

I don't even think Apple wanted to do it. They had to. For the past two years there was this "notion" across the web that they needed to have a Reader like device. Now it's here and everybody wonders what to do with it.

And then comes the spec bullsh*t. I think Apple did it right.
I mean, seriously, even if this thing had some CULV CPU and could do all sorts of multitasking ... it would still be some weird a$$ thing that you have to hold in your hands and that has no keyboard. There's no way you could do actual work with it.
They ported their Office suite for it - why? Who's gonna write their dissertation on an iPad???

I think the iPad is just perfect for the niche, it's just that nobody wants to be in that niche. It's better for web & multimedia than the Kindle but somewhat worse as an eReader. Because of the display. But had Apple made a B&W eInk display reader, everyone would've just rolled on the floor laughing.

Bill Gates still thinks these devices are the sh*t. Sure, he already has everything else in the world and by his standard, they are free. I would take an iPad for free. Otherwise there's any number of things I'd spend 500$ on first...


RE: Makes sense...
By nafhan on 2/11/2010 10:50:13 AM , Rating: 3
You're looking at from the wrong angle. It's a pricing niche not a functionality niche. It fills the "I have at least $500 but less than $900 to spend on Apple product" niche!
From a functionality POV, I'm not sure. Maybe iPod for people with poor vision? They're already used to carrying around oversized books. So, an oversized iPod wouldn't make to much of a difference.


RE: Makes sense...
By bupkus on 2/11/2010 12:19:58 PM , Rating: 2
An Apple version of the Boom Box?
Yah, I can see it.


RE: Makes sense...
By nafhan on 2/11/2010 2:20:22 PM , Rating: 5
Hahaha.
Even better: imagine Steve wearing an iPad on a huge gold chain with a clock taking up the entire screen.


RE: Makes sense...
By EricMartello on 2/11/2010 2:57:28 PM , Rating: 3
So you might say it is Apple's answer to the jitterbug cell phone...you know, that phone with huge buttons designed for old people. heh


RE: Makes sense...
By greylica on 2/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: Makes sense...
By contractcooker on 2/11/2010 4:14:40 PM , Rating: 2
sigh. I'll bite. Have you actually used both of the phones? I have (want to move away from the iPhone) and the touch screen on the iPhone is noticeably better. That's right, the input method, the way you manipulate the phone, is noticeably better on the iPhone. I wish people would stop judging the iPhone is worse than other phones based soley on specs. You actually have to implement tech specs in a way that's pleasant in order to have a good device. I'm not saying that a cutting edge feature set isn't important just saying that actually USING the phone(s) you're talking about day to day should be a prerequisite before posting comments like this.

That being said, I'm very excited. The nexus one is closing the gap. I cannot wait to be rid of the entire Apple Ecosystem.


RE: Makes sense...
By foolsgambit11 on 2/13/2010 4:23:30 PM , Rating: 2
The idea behind the iPad was to create its own niche. And while it does that, I'm not sure it's a niche of any substantial size - in other words, it'll probably be a flop.


Jobs is a marketing god...
By Connoisseur on 2/11/2010 9:07:37 AM , Rating: 2
So this is how i see his release of the iphone and ipad:
In 2007, he released the iphone and said "Look! Here's the internet in your pocket! You can carry this around with you anywhere and have access to all this info! We took those large clunky notebooks with their big screens and keyboards and turned them into this little gem."

Now in 2010, he said of the ipad "Look! This is a brand new tablet! It runs all the same apps the iphone uses but it's easier to use because it has a big screen and you can take it around with you!"

Without anyone realizing it, he's recognizing the downsides of the iphone and essentially making a 180 back to notebooks/tablets. That's my perception at least...




RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By bhieb on 2/11/2010 9:15:34 AM , Rating: 2
The inherent flaw in the bigger screen though is the keyboard. People think bigger screen bigger keys alls good. However physics kicks in and you realize that there is a gap between a 2 thumb based device like phones that one can type pretty quickly on, and a full sized keyboard where you can also type quickly on.

The iPad falls in that gap. The screen is too big to hold nicely and blaze away with 2 thumbs, but not tactile or big enough to type on like a full keyboard. Just the space between your thumbs makes it cumbersome at best.


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Aloonatic on 2/11/2010 9:30:42 AM , Rating: 3
As a coffee table machine, it could have it's uses.

When I actually think about what I use my laptop for (most of the time) it's just facebook, ranting on DT and the odd bit of shopping, all of which could be done easily with an iPad, and the amount of typing probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. If I wanted to write war and peace, I probably wouldn't use it though, and maybe it would limit my rants on here a little bit if I was to type on one, so that can't be a bad thing.

The iPad, along with a home PC, a NAS of some sort and a smart phone could be pretty cool set up.


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By bhieb on 2/11/2010 9:36:59 AM , Rating: 2
Not saying there are no uses, but it is a pretty big limitation that all tablets have faced. It is Apple and I am sure they will do well, but too me it is too big to be touch based typing, and too small for normal surface typing.


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Aloonatic on 2/11/2010 9:54:03 AM , Rating: 2
I guess it's something that you would have to try and see how you got on, but the less you type the better it would seem. However, I doubt that it is as impossible as many would like to think (they must have done a fair bit of testing, but they probably did with the Newton too) yet there seems to be a lot of people here (not saying that you are one of them) who want this to fail, just to spite Apple.

It'd be no good for my home though as there is no flash support, which would mean that my wife's petville pet would go uncared for and run away :)


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By bety on 2/11/10, Rating: -1
RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By MrPickins on 2/11/2010 1:06:41 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
as a browser, it's unequaled


Without flash support, it's not...


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Suntan on 2/11/2010 12:26:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As a coffee table machine, it could have it's uses.


Yes, but then a person could also say that a cheaper netbook could also do those things, plus offer you a USB port to download pictures from your camera while on vacation, plug an external disc drive into to rip or burn a CD, play a rental movie, etc.

As for using it while sitting/lying on the couch, as a person that has spent time trying to find a comfortable way to do most everything while not having to get up off the couch, I can say that a tablet form factor really is no more comfortable to use when laying down than a laptop form factor.

The only thing the pad has over a netbook is the Apple logo.

If a person wants to have it on their coffee table so people can see how hip-and-with-it they are, that’s fine (that is what all coffee table books are for) but let’s not get silly and say that it offers anything “new” or “magical.”

-Suntan


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By lightfoot on 2/11/2010 12:55:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
...plus offer you a USB port to download pictures from your camera while on vacation, plug an external disc drive into to rip or burn a CD, play a rental movie...

There is the problem. You are thinking that the iPad should work with peripherals, but it is its self a peripheral. In my mind this is the fundamental problem with the iPad; it is not a "hub" device, it is a peripheral device. You will still need a PC or Laptop computer to manage the iPad. The iPad also will not be able to manage other devices (printers, scanners, cameras, iPods, etc.)


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Suntan on 2/11/2010 2:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You are thinking that the iPad should work with peripherals


No… I think the ipad is a silly waste of money.

I think a *netbook* will also offer you the ability to work with peripherals.

And if “peripherals” are so tragically unhip, you can always just use a netbook without plugging anything into it. You know, just sit there on your couch and surf the web like all the cool cats do.

-Suntan


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By MrPoletski on 2/15/2010 5:31:50 AM , Rating: 2
check out the pandora, a much better idea than the iPad.

Not quite the same thing tho, but I bet you can do everything the ipad can and (much) more on the pandora.

openpandora.org It's literally rolling off the production line for the first batch now. I ordered mine, when I get it I'm sure I'll bleat more about how awesome it is;)


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Aloonatic on 2/11/2010 2:44:54 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, a netbook would be good for all those things too. It doesn't have a touch intenrface though, which people seem to like. Nor the apps, though I don't know if you have to buy them again to use on your iPad, if you already have them on yor iPod touch/iPhone. Nor do netbooks (cheap, non-ion especially) game all that well, and they don't have motion sensing either (I am assuming the iPad does) which is another added benefit for whiling away the hours at home whilst your wife watches her soaps. The lack of flash could be seen as a bonus too, as it'll stop her using it to sort out her farm/cafe/pet on facebook as well. Ok, that last one was a bit of a stretch for a plus point :)

I'm not sure that I would bother to buy a netbook, and external drive to rip and burn media though. I'd be bettter of buying a laptop or doing those things on my main PC. I'd porbably do the photos on it too, and share/store on a NAS. No arguing taht USB connectivity options are good though. As would be the ability to add extra memory.

If your netbook was a cheap one too, watching films on it might not be all that great an experiance. Although I don't know what resolution the iPad can display in (720p? Like an ion netbook? They get pricey too tho) but I'd wager that they will look better on an iPad, streamed across a home network or stored on the miserly internal memory. At the end of the day though, why would you be sat on your sofa watching a film or TV show on a netbook/iPad when you've got a TV infront of you? I guess you could output to that TV via HDMI with an ion netbook, but they are not cheap, and a little larger. On the road? That's where the lack of memory might come in, although you're probaly not going to have your music/movie entire library perminantly stored on it.

We all know that one of the big points for Apple is their design, and the prestigue marketing pull of their devices. Those people who are inclined to go for these things and value them don't seem to have a problem with paying the extra sometimes. The average price of a general everyday (not a bought for buiness use smartphone, but one that a lot of the general public have in their pockets/purses) has probably gone up conciderably since the iPhone came out. Maybe netbooks will follow the trend and become more expensive too if the iPad takes off? What will people say if/when Google and MS bring out their own similar devices? Many of the things people complain about here will probably be forgtotten then I'd wager :)

No one device is ever going to please all the people all the time, so there will always be comprimises and some will value certain things more than others too. As it is, I probably wont buy one. I won't buy an iPhone either, but that's mostly becuase I don't like the closed platform and I don't like iTunes. It doesn't stop me from thinking that the device [iPad] is not totally without merrit however, and taking into account the premium that people seem to be happy to pay, I wont write it off so soon, especially as I think there are a lot of people who say that they think it will fail, hoping that that will go someway towards making it fail, out of spite towards Apple and their "hip-and-with-it" users.


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Suntan on 2/11/2010 2:59:50 PM , Rating: 4
Right, just so I'm clear, you are saying that something that is based on the x86 architecture, “Doesn’t have the apps” that the apple pad has…

Man there advertising program is good at brain washing people.

-Suntan


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Aloonatic on 2/11/2010 3:31:14 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I credited you with a little commpon sense. My bad. It's a mistake that I make here all teh time. When will I learn?

I was refering to the apps, from the app store, which people seem to like a lot and are written and tested to work well on the whole range of Apple devices. The main advantage of the closed platform that I generally find annoying, but still, they have been a success, there's no denying it.

Of course I realise taht there are a lot of apps (or programs/executables as they used to be called) out there for cheap win XP and more expensive win 7 netbooks. How well they will work on your ceap single core atom/integrated Intel graphics solution is anyone's guess tho.

By the way, so that we are clear, are you saying that you can get every app that is available via the app Store on a netbook? See, I can do it too :D *holds up hand for high 5*

Did you even read my comment properly, or did you just read the first few lines and start foaming at the mouth because someone didn't agree with you 100%? Thought so. Try reading it again and get back to me.

See you soon.


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By Aloonatic on 2/11/2010 5:19:28 PM , Rating: 2
Just a (not so) quick note on the apps (versus x86 programs etc) thing which seems to be causing consternation and confusion for those here who are not able to think outside of their own experience and sphere of knowledge/skills, and see how people might actually see paying more for the initial hardware as offering better value than paying less for a netbook that can technically offer more. So at risk of sounding like reader1....

I think the general public and non-geek brigade like the simplicity and the security of apps, knowing that it's a simple process to buy and install them. Like gaming on consoles compared to gaming on PC. Sure, the PC might be able to do more but people like to stick a disk in their console and play it without having to think too much.

Sure, there are lots of programs like those that you can find in the app store, but most people wont find them, or will be reluctant to use them even if they do, let alone manage to get the most out of them.

IMO, the success of the iPhone and iPod Touch owes at least as much to the app store as it does to the hardware that the apps run on.

That added value (which means nothing to us here and is causing the confusion) is what a lot of the newcomers to Apple pay for. There is little value in it for us as we know how to go and find the programs that we want to use, so we think it's stupid and overpriced rubbish, "I can do more on a blah blah for half the price". However, in the "app" Apple have struck on a rich source of income, which is also a great way of getting people to feel more comfortable installing and using software that they can trust and buy with ease. So as they can do more with their investment, it makes it seem like they are actually getting more for their money, which makes it a good financcial proposition for them. Sure, they might be able to do many things on a netbook, but they won’t be able to do it easily, and or probably wouldn’t do much at all, let alone enjoy it as much.

I think reader1 once made a comment about closed platforms and apps being the way of the future, and maybe it was put over in their unique and crazy way, but is it that hard to envision a time when you buy only properly tested "apps" from the app store, android market place and whatever MS comes up with for windows etc? It sure would be a great way to reduce the number of viruses at least, if the only way to install new was through a channel like that. We would all hate it of course, as it's another erosion of the geek domain and it might well stifle creativity etc, but maybe that really is the way we are going.

Yes, I am writing "apps" a lot, just to annoy the Apple anti-fanboys :p


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By psychobriggsy on 2/11/2010 9:39:01 AM , Rating: 2
I guess most people will hold the tablet in their left hand, like a violin, and type with their right hand, using up to three fingers (excluding thumb and little finger).

That wouldn't be that slow, if the on-screen keyboard responds well. It's not a proper keyboard by any stretch of the imagination of course.

The iPad needs to excel and be the best at something. Netbooks are generally okay at a lot of things, but don't really excel at any one thing. I suspect the iPad will have a slower start than Apple expects, and that it will take a hardware revision (fix, add SD slot, increase storage, digital video out for a media centre dock, etc) and software revision to make it popular.


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By acase on 2/11/2010 2:19:00 PM , Rating: 2
IMO what really needs to be done to make a tablet successful (preferably NOT by apple) is to create a new type of keyboard layout that you could type on with one hand and all fingers. Probably more of a square shape than elongated like the QWERTY, and possibly with 2 letters on each button similar to a phone layout.

It obviously would take a little getting used to, but hell we are all amazing on the QWERTY system, and it was invented to slow down typing IIRC. Also, with T9 I can text with 2 thumbs almost as quick as I can type on a keyboard.


RE: Jobs is a marketing god...
By 67STANG on 2/12/2010 2:47:51 AM , Rating: 2
Jobs stole the name of the iPad from Mad TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs


Biggest Miss?
By Leper Messiah on 2/11/2010 9:08:08 AM , Rating: 3
Maybe in the last 7 or 8 years or so when it seems that Apple could do no wrong, but aren't we forgetting the puck mouse, the newton, the cube, and everything and anything associated with NexT?




RE: Biggest Miss?
By Shadowself on 2/11/2010 9:30:46 AM , Rating: 2
The hockey puck mouse quite possibly was Apple's most stupid item ever (going all the way back to 1976). Maybe not Apple's biggest mistake but definitely it's dumbest!

The cube was not a bad idea. It suffered from a misperception that the plastic seams were cracks (when 99.9% of the time they were just that, seams, not cracks) and various other annoyances, but it was not a *bad* product.

The problems with the Newton and NeXT system was that they tried to do things that the technology (both hardware and software) were not ready for yet. If Apple introduced the Newton a couple years later with what became the final version before getting killed personally by Jobs it would not have had the huge backlash on the handwriting issue since by the time it was killed Inkwell was actually quite refined -- not perfect but probably as good as anything out there even today. It also would have been smaller, lighter and with a longer battery life.

NeXT was the same way. Unix (Mach) based desktop OS? Display Postscript? Printers tied directly to the computer with no smarts in the printer but instead in the computer? CD drives and no floppy? All way to far ahead of their time. Now they are standard (well not Display Postscript, but rather either an internally developed equivalent [Windows] or something based upon open source [Mac OS X]).

Want to talk about dumb Apple moves? Go back to the PowerMac 9500. I don't think it was physically possible to add RAM to that without losing some skin from your fingers.


RE: Biggest Miss?
By slashbinslashbash on 2/11/2010 10:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
But the PM 9500 (and 8500) were beautiful machines though, you've gotta admit. The 8600/9600 were easier to work on, but not nearly as good looking.


RE: Biggest Miss?
By amanojaku on 2/11/2010 9:46:14 AM , Rating: 5
I'd say Apple's biggest miss is one it hasn't corrected EVER: the single-button mouse. Even the new Apple Magic Mouse sucks! For crying out loud, Apple, just make a mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel already!


RE: Biggest Miss?
By Yawgm0th on 2/11/2010 10:18:14 AM , Rating: 2
Before we hear "Macs work with two-button mice" retorts, let me point out that as a complete out-of-the-box platform, which is exactly where Macs are supposed to be successful. Out of the box, a single-button mouse is a showstopper.


RE: Biggest Miss?
By Smilin on 2/11/2010 10:24:33 AM , Rating: 3
My dad games with me on his MacBook (Running Win7) but he's constantly getting killed because he can't bind an essential alt-fire to a useful button. It's default on mouse3 for me.

Jobs has always maintained that they use a single mouse button for the simplicity "you can't press the wrong button" yet he's now made the magic mouse which loses the simplicity while still failing to do the basic functions that a 10 year old mouse can do.


RE: Biggest Miss?
By jonmcc33 on 2/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: Biggest Miss?
By amanojaku on 2/11/2010 11:45:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1. There are no real games for OS X.
EPIC reading fail, jonmcc33.
quote:
My dad games with me on his MacBook (Running Win7)
quote:
2. MacBook hardware not capable of playing games.
WHAT? The graphics card is wimpy (it's a LAPTOP, for crying out loud), but this can play a lot of games reasonably well. This is better than my Dell E4300, and I game on it. Not that I'd be turning on 4xAA or anisotropic filtering on a regular laptop.
http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html


RE: Biggest Miss?
By KoolAidMan1 on 2/13/2010 5:08:10 AM , Rating: 2
Buy your dad a five button mouse, it'll work right out of the box


RE: Biggest Miss?
By rburnham on 2/11/2010 10:28:53 AM , Rating: 2
The Mighty Mouse for the Mac is an awful mouse. We had those at work when we were given our G5s a few years ago, but recently replaced then with regular optical mice from Microsoft. The Mac mice just kept getting gummed up or they just stopped clicking properly. I hate those things.


RE: Biggest Miss?
By finbarqs on 2/11/2010 12:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
I figure this would be a good opportunity to somewhat *hint* at an existence of a "courier". Looks like the gizmodo video was just all speculation/rumors...


Too Limited
By tech329 on 2/11/2010 10:36:20 AM , Rating: 3
The iPad may be a nice device and work well but the format comes up short because it lacks the ability to multi-task. A device of this size / format has to multi-task to really take advantage of all the other pieces the device brings to the table. A device like this, whether Apple or Windows powered, has to multi-task, be automatically net capable and support the full resume of Internet capability. Those are the base criteria for any device to gain acceptance in todays marketplace. And at the pricepoint of the iPad, these are an absolute requirement.




RE: Too Limited
By vailr on 2/11/10, Rating: 0
RE: Too Limited
By lightfoot on 2/11/2010 12:14:32 PM , Rating: 5
So you're basically saying that a machine with a 1 GHz processor (and probably at least 256 MB of RAM) is incapable of multi-tasking??

This hardware should be more than capable of multitasking any existing iPhone app.

It is pathetic when people are making such lame excuses for Apple's bad design decision.

Oh, and Apple will NEVER do a user replacable battery in an iPad.


Misleading title
By Jonh68 on 2/11/2010 10:41:21 AM , Rating: 4
I have read Gates comments and he did not state he thought this was a miss. He thought it was underwhelming and incomplete in features, but he didn't make a comment about it's future success. That is editorial projection, not journalism.




RE: Misleading title
By xprojected on 2/11/2010 12:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
It's Jason Mick, I've learned to not set expectations any higher than The Inquirer with his posts.


UncleRufus
By UncleRufus on 2/11/2010 9:46:34 AM , Rating: 2
Here's what I hear alot of:

"I think it will be awesome for sitting on the couch reading my facebook, etc..."

And that's the problem.

The population of people willing to spend 500-800 bucks on a coffee-table toy for more comfortably checking their social network sites is not very large.

Oh, they are there, but there are a LOT more of us nowadays trying to figure out how to pay our rent/heat/electricity.




RE: UncleRufus
By lightfoot on 2/11/2010 11:52:42 AM , Rating: 2
But without Flash, you can't play Farmville...


RE: UncleRufus
By Suntan on 2/11/2010 12:31:21 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, a lot of those people have already gone ahead and bought a netbook.

The few that remain are the ones that were holding out in solidarity with their icon Mr. Jobs.

-Suntan


Yeah iPad could miss
By iluvdeal on 2/11/2010 10:05:44 PM , Rating: 2
Or it could be a success and by this time next year Microsoft will have their own version of an iPad out on the market. All the sales without the risk of being first, that's a nice safe business model eh?

I wish Microsoft would take more chances, be the first to jump in the lake rather than being the type who always plays it safe and waits to see the first guy who jumps in made it in alive. Do you want to the type of company that that just clones existing successful product (like seemingly every other Chinese company) or do you want to be the one everyone else looks to clone from?

Yes Bill, Microsoft should aim higher. Netbooks? That is so last year, how how developing some innovative new product classes that we haven't even dreamed up yet? Oh I know, it's too dangerous to jump into that lake first, god forbid you might miss.




RE: Yeah iPad could miss
By KoolAidMan1 on 2/13/2010 5:10:09 AM , Rating: 2
I suspect that this is what will happen, but not until after Google has also released a tablet PC running Chrome or Android, also on an ARM based CPU with a big touchscreen.


I would buy an iPad for my parents
By NAVAIR on 2/11/2010 10:35:34 PM , Rating: 2
Computers are supposed to be intuitive and easy to use. Basically, as everyone now knows, the iPad is a large screen iPod Touch. I have an iPhone and the interface is easy to use, although Apple stuff is usually feature lacking for the technically minded. Their software and operating systems are and always have been easy to use.
I know that many of you folks are the greatest thing since sliced bread with computers and are the end all to be all with them. That was "many" and definitely not "all." I soldered chip by chip my first PC together in 1983, Heath Kit z-151, 8088 @ 4.77MHZ, 640KB and dual 360k drives. I worked with DEC's in the mid 80's and learned what I latter found out was UNIX; I was sitting in a class in the mid 90's when an instructor was teaching the UNIX fundamentals and it was a major Déjà vu experience for me. I worked with Apple II's, IIe's, IIc's, Commodore PET's, VIC 20's, TI499's, TRS-80 model 3's, 4's and Color Computer II's (CoCo.) I have supported Windows servers in the enterprise with Sybase DB's and Replication servers.
You now what? I am retired and do not have to use windows professionally any more. Windows servers are slow down and crash all on their h=own just like there homeowner counter parts do. I took care of 481 of them with RAID 5 systems and thank GOD; all those pieces of trash are currently being replace with Red Hat boxes. Linux is the way to go if you are a super geek but if you just want to use a computer and you do not care how it works; buy a Macintosh. They do not slow down, are not burdened with every virus or malware known to man. True, Mac's have not penetrated the business and corporate world but they are great if you want it to "just work." Apple has their share of bad products just like any other company and the yuppie, cool, sheik, BS factor; not to mention the liberal crap the company gets involved with.
The best thing Apple could do is to allow Dell, Asus, Lenovo (etc) to pre-bundle OSX with some of their product line. Although, I think Mr. Jobs and company would loose to much control and sheik factor for their liking. It certainly would causes MS to develop a fourth OS ((DOS, WIN3.1),( 95, 98, 98SE, ME),(WIN3.51, WINNT4, WIN2000, WINXP, WINbloated, and WIN7)). Microsoft desperately needs to reinvent itself and develop a new OS from the ground up. I bought a Macbook Pro for my daughter in school last year and I was impressed. It's like Linux with a stable GUI. All the BASH commands work and commercial developers develop for it; unlike Linux where the only profitable development goes on for the corporate world. I just bought my first MAC since 1994 and I love it.

So what in the hell does all the above crap have to do with the iPad? If my parents needed an Internet device and I did not want any phone calls about how to use it; I would buy them an iPad. It would never do for me or most of you because we have the blackberries, iPhones, Google phones, Netbooks and Laptops that do the same thing in either and smaller or larger package. The iPad will sell well despite what the tech forums and Gates says. Because like it or not and believe it or not; the gota haves will have when they play with it in the mall. It has no boot time, a 10-hour battery life (very questionable,) it cannot get viruses and the interface is just easier.




By KoolAidMan1 on 2/13/2010 5:08:29 AM , Rating: 2
Great post, thanks


Another enjoyable Apple product
By Yawgm0th on 2/11/2010 10:08:44 AM , Rating: 2
The iPad has already given me more than a few laughs.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1928558




Maxi IPad Pointless
By btc909 on 2/11/2010 2:46:31 PM , Rating: 2
Come on, a netbook with a multi-touch swivel screen that works like a tablet. That's it, done. I've seen a few from Asus, Gigabyte, HP & MSI. Full fledge computers for around the same price. Supports Flash, has an actual hard drive, a multitasking OS, memory card slots, crazy I know.




needs Flash and multi-tasking
By androticus on 2/11/2010 8:08:28 PM , Rating: 2
Until or unless they support Flash and multi-tasking, I'm not going to get one. Do they really expect me to browse the web with something that doesn't support Flash??? Ok, its barely tolerable on an iPhone, but not on a full-size web-reading device, sheesh.

Likewise, they tout all these great apps, including their iWork apps -- so in this day and age am I really supposed to be writing anything without access to the web? Or I am supposed to keep launching/switching between Pages and Safari? I can't IM my friend while web browsing? Can't have Pandora running while working on my spreadsheet?

They are seriously deluded, especially since this is a marginal category product, not something people need like a phone or laptop. They should be bending over backwards to make it is as appealing as possible, instead of basically saying I should thank Steve for no Flash and kiss his feet for the privilege. Sheesh




Bill's Tablet
By hiscross on 2/13/2010 3:26:01 PM , Rating: 2
How did that turn out Bill? Let me tell in 2003 people said, let's give it a try (except Dell). By 2004 they walked away from it. Today Microsoft doesn't have a tablet team. No wonder didn't of a iPad idea, they didn't have the capacity to Think.




By sapiens74 on 2/11/2010 1:02:53 PM , Rating: 1
Microsoft has a history of being slow footed reacting to Apple or Google or any competitor




Whhhhaaaaaaa!
By psychobriggsy on 2/11/10, Rating: -1
RE: Whhhhaaaaaaa!
By Omega215D on 2/11/2010 9:43:39 AM , Rating: 2
Well, a lot of women have been associating the name iPad with feminine products as well...

then again calling it a MacTab would sound like what we call reader1: a Mactard and iTab isn't that much better... iUseless is what the geek portion of the public thinks of it... meh.


RE: Whhhhaaaaaaa!
By amanojaku on 2/11/2010 9:48:13 AM , Rating: 2
Apple could have called it the iSlate and it would still be lame. The name is just the stale icing on the moldy cake.


RE: Whhhhaaaaaaa!
By reader1 on 2/11/10, Rating: -1
RE: Whhhhaaaaaaa!
By themaster08 on 2/11/2010 3:58:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It makes me want to masturbate over Apple.

Is what he really meant.


RE: Whhhhaaaaaaa!
By vapore0n on 2/11/2010 9:49:10 AM , Rating: 3
I think everyone could live with the name if the product actually did something worth looking for.


Now THERE'S a shocker
By Shadowself on 2/11/10, Rating: -1
RE: Now THERE'S a shocker
By HoundRogerson on 2/11/2010 9:19:53 AM , Rating: 2
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!


RE: Now THERE'S a shocker
By RjBass on 2/11/2010 9:23:18 AM , Rating: 2
Well ya, that is to be expected. But in this case, Gates is actually on the money. The iPad is not that fantastic of a product. Now maybe in a year or two when the 2nd generation iPad is released and Apple does as it usually does and addresses the biggest flaws in its first generation device, will the iPad then be a product worth picking up.


RE: Now THERE'S a shocker
By Shadowself on 2/11/2010 9:35:50 AM , Rating: 2
But isn't that almost always the case? It does not matter whether it is Apple (think of their original 16 pound Mac laptop with a lead acid battery!!!) or Microsoft (which historically does not get it "right" until the 3.0 version).

The iPad is horribly flawed (you say, "not that fantastic of a product", I say horribly flawed) , but enough Apple fan boys will buy it to pay Apple to develop a unit that is more workable and useful.


RE: Now THERE'S a shocker
By Bruneauinfo on 2/11/2010 9:54:28 AM , Rating: 2
hey now, there are still plenty of people who don't make any sense to you or me out there who could still scoop this baby up and make Apple billions. worse things have been flooded upon us in the past when better products were available.


RE: Now THERE'S a shocker
By reader1 on 2/11/10, Rating: -1
RE: Now THERE'S a shocker
By niaaa on 2/11/2010 1:17:38 PM , Rating: 1
did you even TRY win7 you fanatic ?


RE: Now THERE'S a shocker
By atlmann10 on 2/12/2010 1:57:45 PM , Rating: 1
Actually Windows 7 streamlined all the features of Vista and added quite a few of it's own. You are a true nimrod BStroll reader1!


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