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Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates in front of Congress arguing for extension of H-1B visas  (Source: CNET)
Bill Gates went in front of Congress to win H-1B visa extensions for foreign scientists and engineers

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates stepped in front of Congress on Wednesday for another shot at persuading them to allow more foreign-born engineers to work in the United States for longer time.  He also made it a point to bring forth the idea of improvements on science and math education.   

While in front of the U.S. House Committee on Science and Technology, which was celebrating its 50th anniversary, Gates focused on U.S. competitiveness and the need for the U.S. to drastically reform its immigration program in order to give jobs to highly skilled workers.  He also called for investments in basic research, education, and work-force development. 

“I know we all want the United States to continue to be the world’s center for innovation. But our position as the global leader in innovation is at risk,” Gates said. “If this nation is to continue to be the global center of innovation, Congress, the current administration and the next president must act decisively.”

Gates posed arguments, charging at Congress on several different fronts.  He demonstrated the importance of improving science and math education in the U.S.  He claimed that the U.S. is seeing a “shortfall” on scientists and engineers with necessary skills for producing future technologies.  Gates concluded the presentation by suggesting that Congress utilize data more than before to measure the improvements among students.

The morning heated up when Gates moved onto the keynote of his appeal: immigration.  He argued that immigration policies need to be reformed to allow a raise in H-1B visa cap.  He claimed that even Microsoft saw the consequence of the current system when the company was only able to hire on a third of the highly-qualified H-1B visa holders it wanted. He also states that it is absurd for the U.S. to educate people then turn them around and send them home.

“At a time when talent is the key to economic success, it makes no sense to educate people in our universities, often subsidized by U.S. taxpayers, and then insist that they return home,” Gates argued. “To address the shortage of scientists and engineers, we must ... reform our education system and our immigration policies. If we don’t, American companies simply will not have the talent they need to innovate and compete.”

His prominent goal is to extend the time H-1B visa holders can stay within the United States and make up for what Gates claims is the lack of highly skilled scientist and engineers.

The problem which critics in Congress pointed out is the availability in jobs for U.S. citizens.  Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calf.) pointed out that by extending visas, American students would be displaced from those jobs.  Gates shot back, claiming that hiring top visa-holding engineers would create jobs for more average Americans. 

Congress hasn't  made a decision and may not in the near future.  Immigration reform has been a hot button issue for several years and we may not see results for several more.



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I don't buy it!!
By HighWing on 3/14/2008 12:15:31 AM , Rating: 5
While I partially agree with what one poster here already said about hiring a spoiled college grad vs a hard-working immigrant. The problem is that companies also over look the hard-working college grad because they can pay the immigrant less. And if you want prof, call Microsoft or any PC makers tech support. What do you get, an un-trained person in India. Why, because they can pay him a fraction of what it would cost for a trained American worker. If they could hire the immigrants here in the USA I'm sure they would do that in an instance.

And one other thing that really bugs me about this. Rather then hire more immigrants, if we really have a decline in trained Americans, (which I really doubt) rather then spending the money to ship in, train, and find room and board for immigrants, why isn't Microsoft and other companies doing more to make sure we DO have more trained USA citizens? Seems to me it would actually be less work and cheaper to set up scholarships for American kids? Which is why I am more inclined to believe it really boils down to the fact that they can pay the immigrant less rather then a decline in trained Americans.




RE: I don't buy it!!
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/14/2008 12:50:33 AM , Rating: 5
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why isn't Microsoft and other companies doing more to make sure we DO have more trained USA citizens?

Because our education system is horribly broken and corrupt. It was one of the key points in the article and in his appeal to Congress.

And don't forget that Gates personally donates billions to higher education.

What do you propose he does that he hasn't already?


RE: I don't buy it!!
By RogueLegend on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: I don't buy it!!
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 3/14/2008 3:12:51 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
1) The education system is only mirroring corporate America.

K-12 education is the furthest from corporate America I could possibly think of. I'm not sure what you're saying there.

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2) Bill donates a ton of money every year to get bigger tax breaks, that's all it is.

OK, so what about his good pal Warren Buffet, who donated his entire fortune to the B&MGF? Is donating 100% of his wealth a scheme to stave off 40% income tax? Bill donated $29 bil in the last 8 years on a net worth of $58 bil. There's a lot of criticisms to the way BMGF donates its money, but saying its done to avoid taxes is totally folly.

quote:
MS doesn't lend itself to stable employment

The company has a 5% turnover rate every year. It's part of their corporate handbook. This is pretty typical for most aggressive corporations, and as you said, everyone knows it when they walk in the door.


RE: I don't buy it!!
By RogueLegend on 3/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: I don't buy it!!
By steve1014 on 3/14/2008 10:34:31 AM , Rating: 5
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I wasn't talking about K-12. I was talking about the degree granting institutions.


K-12 is the problem. The problem is that primary education is a glorified day care system. By the time an American student reaches the 9-12 grade they have decided they are on the chase for money or fame and most of them have lost focus in the more difficult classes (physics, calculus, etc)

In foreign countries kids don't have a choice. They will take those classes and they will do well or there will be hell to pay when they go home. They learn the important subjects at an early age. And they are encouraged to continue to learn more because knowledge will bring money (as opposed to the American way of thinking money before everything).

Our degree granting institutions are the best in the world thats why everyone comes over here. Gates has a very good point about us subsidizing their education. It is stupid for us to invest in their future and then give their future away when its about to pay off.

I think this is another good job done by Bill Gates.


RE: I don't buy it!!
By DeathSniper on 3/14/2008 11:14:12 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you. So many people still don't realize you can't build anything without a solid foundation - it will eventually collapse. School nowadays is a total joke...


RE: I don't buy it!!
By TheDoc9 on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: I don't buy it!!
By ImSpartacus on 3/14/2008 3:27:39 PM , Rating: 4
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I love how he complains about American tech workers even though he's probably never done much of anything technical in his life.


So Gates just founded Microsoft with no technical experience? I'm sure he just went to Harvard for fun.

I'm not saying the man is perfect; he isn't, but he had a start up at one time, and for whatever reason, he made it.


RE: I don't buy it!!
By eman7613 on 3/14/2008 3:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
well, he did kinda drop out of Harvard to start up his company :P


RE: I don't buy it!!
By TheDoc9 on 3/14/2008 4:11:44 PM , Rating: 2
well, maybe he's building the next windows in his basement.


RE: I don't buy it!!
By goku on 3/17/2008 10:21:53 PM , Rating: 2
no.


RE: I don't buy it!!
By krwhite on 3/16/2008 7:53:26 AM , Rating: 4
Didn't know you could write a portion of an OS, and run the largest software company in the world without having technical skills?

Are you suggesting that giving billions to charities doesn't make you a good person? People call me a good person when I open a door for them. ;)


RE: I don't buy it!!
By Grast on 3/14/2008 12:37:10 PM , Rating: 5
Steve,

Sorry you are wrong. The K-12 education system in the country can and does teach our kids which are ready and willing to learn. The only thing wrong with our school system is the lack of attention by PARENTS who USE it as a DAYCARE.

The difference between U.S. citizens and immigrants is not education opportunity or access. It is their willingness and desire to use those opportunities to their fullest.

I also disagree with this idea that K-12 should be preparing every child for a college education. Lets face facts, not every child is going to college. Some of these kids simply do not have the skills. Other kids my have the skills but not the desire. Thus the real problem with US K-12 system. They treat every student the SAME. Every student is expected get higher education and thus a large subset of students are being SET UP TO FAIL.

We need to concentrating on this country's diverse population and guide our schools down the path of equality and realistic expectations. My local mechanic is great with my car but could not operate a computer to save his life. That does not mean he is stupid or unable to learn. Rather his skills and learning style are not strong in regards to book learning for lack of a better word.

1. In the last 25 years, we have lost all skill based training in elementary and Junior High schools systems. No more wood shop, metal shop, or skill based programs. The High schools system is slow but surely dismantling their industral arts cooriculum due to a lack of money and focusing on college prep type activities.
2. In the U.S., 60% of graduating students still have requirements unmet which need to be addresses before high education is available.

I also agree with the previous posters statement regarding Bill Gates motivation. Bill would rather hire immigrant trained in our higher education system as a contractor for a short period of time. This is the most economical means for supporting such a high-tech workforce without taking on the burden of additional full time employees.

In summary, our K-12 system is great if you have a SET of parents which ensure the children are actually performing the work and undurstanding the material. An involved parent then has the tools and opportunity to guide their child based on the childs capabilites and needs throught the school system and into high education IF NEEDED.

I personally do not need my mechanic, plummer, electrician, and many other TRADE to have college educations.

Later...


RE: I don't buy it!!
By dever on 3/14/2008 2:11:15 PM , Rating: 3
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The K-12 education system in the country can and does teach our kids which are ready and willing to learn.
You have several other points about the failures of our primary education system that are spot on. However, your initial statement is false. Many schools do not give equal opportunity.

For instance, my neighbor teaches 5th grade. Only one child in her class is a native English speaker. Much of the class time is spent just getting the children of illegal immigrants up to speed on basics and English. At the first parent-teacher meeting she emphatically told the parents of that one child not to send their kid to that school because he did not have the same opportunity to learn as he would elsewhere.

The real problem? Government. Period. There is no competition and there is little responsibility. In a system that allowed freedom of choice and competition, schools, like businesses, would be forced to cater to their customers (children). Those that don't, fail.

If your first instinct is to chime in about teachers rights and public schools, then you aren't concerned with the child's education. If you wear a pin that says "No Teacher Left Behind" then I may have to beat you about the head and shoulders.


RE: I don't buy it!!
By Grast on 3/17/2008 12:37:39 AM , Rating: 2
dever,

I would agree that certain regional schools based on immagration and the lack of effection leadership in the school district are not completely up to par. I would submit those incidents are not the normal situation but the exception.

I completely agree with your summation about better schools if free choice was allowed. I personally do not support the teachers in regards to their union or policies.

I believe the issue is able us choosing the best education for our kids.


RE: I don't buy it!!
By dever on 3/17/2008 4:43:22 PM , Rating: 2