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Bill Gates in a recent interview with Dr. Sanjay Gupta expressed furor at the faked study linking vaccines and autism. He says that it's vital for the developed world to help the third world get vaccinated.  (Source: CNN.com)
Microsoft's co-founder lets loose in an interview with Sanjay Gupta

At the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, one of the chief luminaries of the American tech industry, and perhaps its most recognizable face, Bill Gates, is hard at work pushing countries of the world to step up to the plate and increase their charitable efforts.  Bill Gates knows a thing or two about charity -- he and his wife founded the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which will give away half of his $54B USD Microsoft fortune.

One of the foundation's biggest projects is to vaccinate children around the world.  Bill Gates has pledged $10B USD to this effort.

CNN News Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta interviewed Bill Gates at WEF and asked him about this effort.  Asked about the published-then-retracted autism-vaccines link, Mr. Gates responds:

Dr. [Andrew] Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these vaccines are important.

Mr. Gates points to the eradication of smallpox as an example of how a worldwide vaccination effort can succeed.  He says that polio vaccination efforts, while ongoing places like Afghanistan, are also showing signs of success.

Optimistically, he states:

Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile -- ringworm and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines -- and we only need about six or seven more -- and then you would have all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything -- the stability, the environment -- benefits from that.

When asked about questions of corruption and fraud at the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, one of the largest vaccination efforts in the world, Mr. Gates states that he believes this to be limited to 3 to 4 percent of grantees.  He says that he knows that the Global Fund cut off some grantees due to abuse, and that the fund is seeking alternative ways to get vaccines to those nations' members.

When it comes to vaccines, Mr. Gates is amazed there's not more interested in the developed world.  As one of America's greatest visionaries, he see it as a no-brainer.  He comments:

This is saving lives for well less than 1% of what you would spend in the rich world. And if you think lives are created equal -- this at least says well, are they at least worth 1%. And that's ignoring the sickness you avoid.

There was a survey recently that showed half the kids in Africa, because of infectious disease, have IQs of 80 or lower. That's cerebral malaria, that's malnutrition because their brain doesn't fully develop. And if you want them to be stable and on their own, you have got to make sure that terrible sickness, that permanently hurts them their entire life, is not there.

By and large, it is the one health intervention that can get to everyone. In fact, it is so simple, people often forget what a big deal this is. The 2 million people that would have died from smallpox now don't think, "Wow, I'm alive today because of vaccinations," but that's the case.



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I love thier foundation
By Mitch101 on 2/7/2011 10:17:52 AM , Rating: 5
I love their charities direction they dont invest in things like Cancer research because big drug companies are spending and working on these things as well as people contribute to various organizations for cancer research. Plenty of money for them if when they find cures for the various cancers out there. Obviously this is very important but what they do is invest in things they can cure and correct TODAY with whats available. Things like Education, Malaria, Rickets, clean water, immunization, blankets, down to simple blankets and mosquito nets. This approach is allowing them to make huge quality of life improvements TODAY.

I really recommend watching them talk about what they are doing. They deserve a lot of respect for what they are contributing to the world.

BTW Steve Jobs not a big contributor to the world cause. There is no i in team but there is an i in everything Apple sells.




RE: I love thier foundation
By SAmely on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By quiksilvr on 2/7/2011 10:53:50 AM , Rating: 5
It was a pre-troll blocker just in case some fanboy comes in here spouting about how Steve is saving the world and Gates sucks or something like that.


RE: I love thier foundation
By BruceLeet on 2/7/2011 11:08:15 AM , Rating: 5
And then there was Pirks.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Mitch101 on 2/7/2011 3:42:45 PM , Rating: 5
Oh boy and hes going off like I punched Steve Jobs in his iKidney.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By reader1 on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By SAmely on 2/7/2011 11:49:54 AM , Rating: 2
Acknowledged. Fair point.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Iaiken on 2/7/2011 11:17:55 AM , Rating: 6
quote:
This isn't quite a debate on who donates the best.


The real irony of the 'Gates vs. Jobs' comparison is that Gates is viewed as a villain by most Apple fans while Jobs enjoys an almost angelic reputation. These public perceptions couldn't be more backwards.

Gates yielded the helm of one of the largest and most profitable software company in the world at the time in order to focus on spending his billions on improving the lives of vulnerable people. Jobs on the other hand is the cut-throat capitalist oblivious any needs other than his own need for more money.

Jobs doesn't appear on any charitable contributions lists of note and the charities he does contribute to only receive token sums. He donates more to political campaigns than he does to philanthropic ones. Of course, he and his wife could be donating anonymously, but this would make him unique among philanthropic moguls.

Other than admitting he's the world's largest Bob Dylan fan, Jobs hasn't spoken up any any social or political topics. instead, he uses social issues in selfish ways to support his Apples goals.

The 'Think Different' campaign was a perfect example of this. The campaign featured people like Albert Einstein, Martin Luther King Jr., Sir Richard Branson, Thomas Edison, Mahatma Gandhi, Amelia Earhart, Cesar Chavez and others who actually stuck their necks out to accomplish things for people other than themselves. I think these people deserve far more reverence and respect than a short clip in a commercial.

Meanwhile, Gates spends vast sums of money and speaks up in support of the organizations, institutions and causes he believes in. He leads by example and helps draw public attention to key issues that are largely panned by todays sensationalist media. He even speaks out on major social policy issues, like his opposition to cutting back inheritance taxes, or cuts to funding public libraries and schools.

Yet people are happy to hate the Gates' and love Steve Jobs. When I look at Steve Jobs I see smoke, mirrors and good showmanship, but an absence of any substance beyond personal ambition. I think that the adulation he enjoys is because people project their values onto his charismatic figure while he gets to walk away unburdened by the usual responsibilities and scrutiny that accompany great wealth and power.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Parhel on 2/7/2011 11:46:29 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The 'Think Different' campaign was a perfect example of this. The campaign featured people like Albert Einstein, Martin Luther King Jr., Sir Richard Branson, Thomas Edison, Mahatma Gandhi, Amelia Earhart, Cesar Chavez and others who actually stuck their necks out to accomplish things for people other than themselves. I think these people deserve far more reverence and respect than a short clip in a commercial.


Well said. What exactly is the relationship between MLK Jr. and the Apple Corporation? A group of businessmen basically decided that they could sell more widgets if consumers made that association. It's insulting, really. And obviously none of them could have consented.

It funny, though . . . in my mind Bill Gates could easily be added to such a list of luminaries. And wouldn't it be ironic to see his face appear on one of those ads?


RE: I love thier foundation
By tastyratz on 2/7/2011 12:21:56 PM , Rating: 2
You sir, deserve a 12. This post alone is worth a 6 twice.
Absolutely true and well spoken.

Not many people can say they have made the kind of difference Bill & Melinda Gates have made.

It is very easy to get caught up in jest on evil Microsoft for its aggressive and successful business practices, but in the end the measure of a man is what he does with his success.

Bill borders more on deserving a nobel peace prize than anything else.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Azzr34l on 2/7/2011 12:44:24 PM , Rating: 2
Awesome post.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 1:12:51 PM , Rating: 5
Paragraph 1: Who cares if Gates made his money first and when, they are both rich now and have been for some time.

Paragraph 2: What does retiring have to do with anything! The man has never even donated over a million dollars, you don't need to be retired to sign your name on a check. What Gates is doing is going over and beyond all expectations, he is not just donating, he is actually involved in the process. While Jobs may not have the time for this kind of thing, that does not excuse for from anything else. Hell I personally know families whom have donated over a million dollars to a charity, none of which have retired parents.

Paragraph 3: Useless rambling.. Same as above.

Paragraph 4: You clearly missed the point of his post. He is just making the clever analysis that traditionally Jobs has been considered the 'good guy' while Jobs has been considered 'evil', even though their real life actions don't seem to mirror that. Aside from your ramblings do you have anything to disprove this theory? As the author above has made same amazing arguments that you have not responded too (and most likely won't be able too without resorted to pointless ranting).

The fact remains Pirks, Gates has done more for society than Jobs. Nothing you say is going to change that.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 1:57:12 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Not sure that giving out vaccines is "done more" than giving us the iPhone, iPod, iTunes etc.
What would we do without any of these items! Yay, an intuitive interface and a place to buy my music, thanks MR jobs for making the world a better place to live for the top 10% of the population.

Nobody ever died because they didnt receive an iPhone for Christmas or they could not download their favorite song in one click instead of 5.

Seriously, you have the moral compass of a sociopath..


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By SPOOFE on 2/7/2011 4:17:00 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Got any idea how many billions in productivity losses people suffered with overly complex WinPC and other similar CE device interfaces?

Ten bucks says it's a pittance compared to the hundreds of billions saved due to MS pushing massive adoption of the PC, their excellent tools for servers and IT guys, and pushing the price of a PC well below $1000.

quote:
Now try to prove that giving out money to vaccine makers is somehow better than stopping such losses to occur in the future.

Ummm... dead people are less productive than the living?

quote:
I'm only interested in their innovation.

So you're selfish. We knew that.

quote:
Don't give a duck about public perception either.

... Unless it's about how the public perceives Steve Jobs.

quote:
Remember your words when you see a dumb troll and post a message telling him that he is a dumb troll.

That's just an idiot thing to threaten. "Remember when you said vaccines were more important than nice phone interfaces, because I'll tease you, herp-derp!"


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By AnnihilatorX on 2/11/2011 8:48:15 AM , Rating: 2
OMG you really need to go and see a doctor.
So you would choose an iPhone over saving a human life.

You are seriously sick.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Mumrik on 2/8/2011 5:44:23 PM , Rating: 5
I find it absolutely horrifying that people like you exist.


RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 2:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
Furthermore, Nobody (ok... I'm not) saying Jobs is evil, nor was that what the OP was trying to say. He was just pointing out that their roles have traditionally been reversed in terms of public perception, when that can't be further from the truth.

That is not to say that Jobs is 'evil', but we are trying to imply that Gates is one of the most generous poeople in the world, and in a different class when it comes to the greater good. Making and selling consumer products that are priced too high for the majority of the population does not compare by a long shot, no matter how you want to slice it or how good their products are.


RE: I love thier foundation
By vignyan on 2/7/2011 2:17:35 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, I wonder if people could live with out iPhone, iPod, iTunes...

So, SCREW you and your ideology Pirks...

And FYI, all the i* products are not a brain child of Mr. Jobs.

And this was not about comparing Microsoft and Apple. They are a company of people - not just one.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/7/2011 2:22:13 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Not sure that giving out vaccines is "done more" than giving us the iPhone, iPod, iTunes etc.


I wish I could give out a negative 6.


RE: I love thier foundation
By smackababy on 2/7/2011 2:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
I wish I could make this a 6.


RE: I love thier foundation
By someguy123 on 2/7/2011 3:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
Surprised you can't/don't ban him.

Not saying you should remove users for being contrary, but he's gone from seemingly stupid to clearly trolling for responses. Trying to argue that luxury goods are as important as vaccines is just to absurd for me to believe a legitimate opinion.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By someguy123 on 2/7/2011 3:21:29 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Not sure that giving out vaccines is "done more" than giving us the iPhone, iPod, iTunes etc.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By SPOOFE on 2/7/2011 4:19:40 PM , Rating: 4
Compared to things that save lives, yes, they're luxury items. I'm sorry you lack perspective.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Smilin on 2/7/2011 5:10:23 PM , Rating: 2
I would argue vaccines do more to aid productivity than an iPad.

A dead person produces no goods.

Are you really saying the world is better off with iOS devices than with the small pox vaccine?


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By Smilin on 2/7/2011 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
No.

Now answer my question instead of dodging it with another.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By Smilin on 2/7/2011 6:26:56 PM , Rating: 2
Answer my question instead of making a new one and answering that instead.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 3:31:25 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Not sure that giving out vaccines is "done more" than giving us the iPhone, iPod, iTunes etc.
quote:
luxury goods (iPhone, iPod, iTunes etc) are as important (done more) as vaccines
... If by perverting you mean paraphrasing what you said pretty much to a T, then sure..


RE: I love thier foundation
By putergeek00 on 2/9/2011 4:53:52 PM , Rating: 1
Too bad your parents didn't feel the way you do... They would have had a brand new VCR and we wouldn't have to see your baseless rants. :)


RE: I love thier foundation
By Parhel on 2/7/2011 3:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
Why not a ban? Not that we want you to be dictators, but for long time trolls who never add anything to a discussion, it's merited. I think most regulars to the site would really appreciate it.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By SPOOFE on 2/7/2011 4:46:47 PM , Rating: 2
Right, because if you think vaccines are more important than multi-touch screens, you're a fanatical MS follower.

There aren't enough eyes in the universe to roll at you.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By simsony on 2/8/2011 5:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
Actually a bunch of friends and I come over to dailytech just to see Pirks make a fool of himself.

It's quite funny if you think about it. He or she's given us a fair few laughs.

That being said, this definitely is a new low for Pirks. I suppose Jobsism really is a faith, and here is a extremist, unable to see rhyme or reason, and with no compassion unless it has an "i" in front of it.


RE: I love thier foundation
By rudy on 2/7/2011 5:14:16 PM , Rating: 1
Gates and M$ conquered apple while Jobs was still around this is what led to apple dismissing steve jobs. As typical of the RDF people seem to really twist history.

The thing that is really nice about the foundation is that they are willing to fund very risky and unlikely science this is really something that has been lacking through the normal government run channels. They are far to conservative. Many great ideas in science were considered ridiculous or unlikely / risky before they were shown to work or be right. Without that type of investment it is hard to really make major break through.


RE: I love thier foundation
By maugrimtr on 2/8/2011 8:36:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not sure that giving out vaccines is "done more" than giving us the iPhone, iPod, iTunes etc.


Quite possibly the dumbest thing ever uttered by an Apple fanboi. Seriously, have those Apple ads corroded your sense of reality that badly?


RE: I love thier foundation
By maugrimtr on 2/8/2011 8:44:50 AM , Rating: 2
Reminds me of a prior comparison Pirks misapplied (as usual) - productivity. Pirks neglected to factor in the $2B of cash Gates is applying to vaccinations. This obviously improves the availability of vaccines, saves lives (and IQ apparently), thus increasing productivity. Emphasis on more vaccinations = more people alive = more people working = more people spending.

iPhones don't even remotely approach this. They are gadgets with little to no impact on productivity for an individual. No more so than a laptop with a local 3G connection (arguably far more productive since you can probably plug away in Word/Excel on those and type out emails far faster!).


RE: I love thier foundation
By AstroGuardian on 2/9/2011 8:51:45 AM , Rating: 1
Pirks, you must be retarded. Can't explain your posts any different...


RE: I love thier foundation
By Source9 on 2/9/2011 9:04:53 PM , Rating: 1
"Jobs is all life and activity to me."

LMAO

This made me vomit in mouth a little bit.


RE: I love thier foundation
By PrezWeezy on 2/7/2011 1:23:57 PM , Rating: 2
Except...he's been doing it since LONG before he retired. So your point is kind of mute. Even when he was "striking while the iron was hot" he was still donating money in the billions to charities and world health organizations. There is a famous quote:

"I actually thought that it would be a little confusing during the same period of your life to be in one meeting when you're trying to make money, and then go to another meeting where you're giving it away."

It's not like he started this after he retired, he's been doing it for a long time. Jobs is not doing it. Maybe it's not important as to who makes the best object, but it is important, to me at least, whom I give my money to.


RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 1:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
I forgot that point, he only retired and began doing this full time 3-4 years ago.


RE: I love thier foundation
By gman7664 on 2/7/2011 1:52:01 PM , Rating: 2
Pirks,

If your goal is to prove what an ass you are then you get the trophy. Your responses indicate that you do not really understand what any of this is about.

You are welcome to your opinion, but there is no requirement for any of us to respect it.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Samus on 2/7/2011 1:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
Ahh but Steve is an avid supporter of the democratic and just recently gave millions to mayor canidate of Chicago Rom Emanuel.

I think he keeps his political agenda on the downlow so republicans continue to buy his crap.

Bill Gates can have whatever political preference he wants (he's obviously hardcore democrat) because with Microsoft products, you don't have much of a choice with the exception of buying Apple...


RE: I love thier foundation
By Solandri on 2/7/2011 1:55:14 PM , Rating: 3
I despised Gates as a businessman. Still do. I think his business practices and market controlling/protection schemes (leveraging near-monopoly control of the OS market to kill off competitors in the apps market) held back the software industry by nearly a decade. I think his villainous reputation in business is well-deserved.

But I completely agree with how he's spending his billions. He's found some really worthwhile causes which for various (mostly political) reasons were historically underfunded, and is pumping money into them. This is how I expect a wealthy person to behave in a socially responsible manner - doing things to better mankind in ways that regular people can't. I could make a quip about the money he's spending being ill-gotten gains, but I won't. A decade lost in software development is a small price to pay for a decade's advancement in worldwide vaccination IMHO.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Wiggy Mcshades on 2/7/2011 2:05:53 PM , Rating: 1
Why should any person live for another persons beinifit? Why does steve jobs have to be doing anything for anyone besides himself? If he wants to live only for himself why do you condem him for making his own choices? Being alive is not a group effort, you are not entitled to help from another human being just because we are of the same species. currency only has a value because people work for it, bill gates worked for his money and so did steve jobs what ever they want to do with that money is up to them alone. Their choices and ability is what made them that money and nothing else. You shouldn't waste the gift of life on anyone but yourself.


RE: I love thier foundation
By sweatshopking on 2/7/2011 3:20:05 PM , Rating: 2
you're an idiot.


RE: I love thier foundation
By SPOOFE on 2/7/2011 4:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why does steve jobs have to be doing anything for anyone besides himself?

Because rational self-interest would dictate doing something for many others besides yourself.

Steve doesn't HAVE to do anything. There's no law that says he has to be nice or generous. But people who aren't nice and generous oft get treated like... I dunno, as if they're not nice or generous? In other words, like jerks?


RE: I love thier foundation
By adiposity on 2/7/11, Rating: 0
RE: I love thier foundation
By zinfamous on 2/7/2011 3:27:10 PM , Rating: 1
indeed.

also throw in the fact that Gates' fortune and professional reputation was built on creating productivity and software that provided real service and if nothing else, an end-gola to improve efficiency.

Apple's products are largely based on frivolous--meaning, entertainment and largely non-productivity pursuits. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and certainly for Unix-based coding and certain programmers OS X is essential, but the empire is largely based on entertainment rather than providing necessary and productive solutions.


RE: I love thier foundation
By adiposity on 2/7/2011 4:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple's products are largely based on frivolous--meaning, entertainment and largely non-productivity pursuits. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and certainly for Unix-based coding and certain programmers OS X is essential, but the empire is largely based on entertainment rather than providing necessary and productive solutions. \


This has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. The apple empire started long before iPods started to make them money. Microsoft had a better business model, that doesn't make them better people. Sheesh!

I always hated apples and refused to use them. They were/are overpriced, less capable machines. But this says nothing about the morality of the founders. The history of Microsoft is hardly pristine, anyway.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Hyperion1400 on 2/7/2011 4:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
The only thing I can think to add to this is, Amen!


RE: I love thier foundation
By madoka on 2/10/2011 10:23:19 PM , Rating: 2
Iaiken are you Leander Kahney? Because all you managed to do was restate his article in wired and pass them off as your own thoughts:

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultof...

Sample from Kahney's article:

"This is not the case for Jobs. To the best of my knowledge, in the last decade or more, Jobs has not spoken up on any social or political issue he believes in -- with the exception of admitting he's a big Bob Dylan fan.

Rather, he uses social issues to support his own selfish business goals. In the Think Different campaign, Jobs used cultural figures he admired to sell computers -- figures who stuck their necks out to fight racism, poverty, inequality or war."


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By bug77 on 2/7/2011 11:24:03 AM , Rating: 3
Request for funding:

Dear charity organization,

I must haz the iPad so I can surfz the net looking for a cure for cancer.

Regards,
Me

Answer to the request

Dear you,

Since we're on a budget, here's a netbook for you.

Sincerely,
Us

Seriously, if you can say that about Apple with its puny market share, then what about Windows/Office?


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By tastyratz on 2/7/2011 12:29:59 PM , Rating: 2
No,
Jobs just happens to lead apple into making the currently most popular form of specific devices. Ipad? Tablets have been around long before the ipad - and a windows tablet serves the medical industry far more than any "heart monitor 2.0" you can get from the app store.

Smart phones? The palm and blackberry pre-date the iphone. The iphone was very successful but seves most of its market in the consumer space not the business space. While there are commercial applications they have been slower to take off and more apt to adopt more business oriented platforms like blackberry etc (and now droids)
Yes Pirks, the droid is now beating the iphone in marketshare
(src http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/01... )

I could call the inventor of the scalpel a gift to society too by your logic. Jobs is not improving anyones quality of life, just riding the wave with the shiny flavor of the week variation.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By SPOOFE on 2/7/2011 4:44:18 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
User interfaces had been around long before the Windows

And MS got people to buy them en masse, just as tablets were around for many years but it was Apple that got people to buy them en masse.

This is what shows your bias, Pirks: Every now and then you stumble on a specific aspect of the computing world in which MS and Apple are about as close to identical as you can get, and you have two completely different points of view for each. You have an obvious double standard.


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By iamezza on 2/7/2011 11:51:17 AM , Rating: 2
this is one of the worst internet posts I have ever read in my life..


RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 12:53:27 PM , Rating: 2
Pirks shut your trap..

Please stop comparing Steve Jobs, to Bill Gates..

As contributors to society in ANY way, Bill Gates is heads and heals ahead of the man who was so arogant that he would not pay child support for his own kid, let alone helping kids all over the world survive another day.

Furthermore I can pretty much guarantee you that you will find far more MS based products at any hospital or place of wellness than you will Apple devices. The fact you are even trying to make this argument makes you sound like an idiot.

Step back for a second and realize its completely irrelevent if you are an Apple or MS fan. EVERYONE knows about the humanitarian efforts of Bill Gates, I've heard little to nothing of Jobs on the subject for years. Heck the man has cancer and I don't even think he has made a considerable donation for the disease he is being treated for!

In fact upon last check, Jobs was not even on the list for tracking charitable donations totalling 1 million dollars or more. So unless he is doing so anonymously (HA!), the man has yet to make a considerable donation to ANYTHING.

The man cares about himself, Apple, and making money, thats it..


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By Parhel on 2/7/2011 1:28:04 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
So shut your hole about donations, I'm not interested in this. Even remotely.


Then why are you posting all this BS in an article about Bill Gates' charitable donations?


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 1:53:04 PM , Rating: 2
I heard Mitch jumped off a cliff yesterday, why don't you follow this act too!

What are you 5? Did you seriously try and defend your stupid comments by pointing out that others have also made stupid comments.

Best part is your post essentially implies that your comments are BS.


RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 1:46:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Handing money out to vaccine makers is way easier than moving the industry forward, so yeah I guess we should stop comparing these two ;)
Thats funny because there have been countless men and woman that have brought an industry 'forward' as you put it over the last 100 years. How many of those people have donated 25 billion dollars or its equivalent depending on when they were alive.

Nobody is even close Pirks. So clearly donating 25 billion dollars is not as 'easy' (easy is a bad word in the first place, neither act is easy) as moving an industry forward or else they would have done it. Many people have had great ideas, translating that idea into money, and then giving away said money is not a casual act, so please stop making it as though this happens often, as it does not..

Even trying to pretend that technological advancements of Bill Gates / Apple are comparable to what Bill / MS has done let alone his humanitarian efforts just makes me laugh.
He has Jobs beat on both fronts..


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By omnicronx on 2/7/2011 2:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
Persuade you? How about you prove yourself!

How about we setup your paycheck to auto withdraw half of your paycheck for your entire life time and give we will give it to charity. We shall see how 'easy' it is.. (especially on a burger king salary)


RE: I love thier foundation
By Pirks on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: I love thier foundation
By vignyan on 2/7/2011 5:03:24 PM , Rating: 1
Hey Priks.. oops..Pirks, Assuming that you are a not a complete moron, here goes my shot at Apple Vs Microsoft... And please don't respond by saying "But mac is so pretty".

In the business world, Both companies have been successful. No one can deny the business success of Microsoft. If you do, then spare yourself time and go pick up ants to eat.

In social responsibility, I am sure both companies are equally responsible. I am not considering the gate's foundation as a part of Microsoft's contribution (which was the whole point of this argument). So let's say both companies are at-par with each other.

In the technology world, GUI was the one to impress the consumers - not the bussiness or programmers. Even so, Windows and Mac "borrowed" the GUI idea from Xerox Alto. Kudos to Xerox for that. If you want a commercially successful product that ran a GUI, then you are talking about Windows from 1985 versus Apple Lisa from 1983.

Operating systems: With the ability to run a plethora of applications on plethora of devices, Windows is far more successful operating systems. Not everyone has a fat wallet and Microsoft definitely understands that (Although Linux understands that even better). Don't give me the secure kernel bullshit from MAC. Unix is secure. Apple's Mac OSX is not. And good news for Symantec. Yes, MAC freezes just like windows. And yes there is a BSD for MAC too and I have seen it. Agree that it's not as common as it was with WinXP. Win7 is much better though.

Applications: There are a multitude of applications for Windows - but very essential applications are available b/w both platforms. Some of the industry specific applications like CAD tools are not available for MAC. Leaving those, even development environment in Windows, supported by .NET platforms and Visual studio, make it a preferred programming environment for commercial applications. Windows did play a significant part in the advancement of computing industry and up-bringing of software community. Windows is definitely dominating in this area in comparison. Let me also mention Microsoft Office to strengthen my point.

Games: Windows is the only commercial operating system allowing a large variety of games to be run at the best possible frame rates. No, iOSX games are not running at full potential.

Systems: As I configured my windows system with the latest Core i7 processor with 16GB ram, dual Nvidia Ti560, 128GB SSD and 1TB HDD, 24" Monitor with a motherboard supporting USB3, SATA3 and other peripherals - my total came to $1800. How much does a similar apple cost even if you would get one? A system with core i7 processor -sans display -starts at $2500. Well, You see how being with Apple shows your technology lag? And more is you can run Windows on MAC computers - can't do the other way without pulling your hair!

Phones, PMPs: Yes, I agree that Apple's devices have been of far superior quality till recently and respect apple for that. The ingenuity in design of the ipods and iphone has been awesome. Windows mobile was a leader for quite some time before Apple in smartphones. iOS took over windows phone just like Android took over iOS in this domain. However, for this argument, lets keep Android out and say that this is the stronghold of Apple.

Tablets: An emerging market with consequences unknown. iPad definitely is an inspiration, but success - wait for it. I am pretty sure that Samsung and Motorola have something in the store to kick Apple out of this bussiness.

iTunes: Really? I mean... It's a single threaded media player that does not have any hardware acceleration for playback. If does not do an automatic library update by background scanning. Music purchases - Yeah, like that's a daily activity that has to be super fast. Windows Media player on the other hand is a more advanced version of media player allowing sync to all devices (not just iphone/ipod). It also supports synchronizing to a disk. wait, should i talk about Blu-ray and HD content playback?? Don't think so.

Safari: I dont even have to write about this I guess. Esp with IE9 and its GPU accelerated web-browsing, I am inclined not to discuss and insult IE9 any further. A more worthy opponent in the form of Firefox 4 is just around the corner.

As for innovations, Apple does a lot of plagiarism. Appstore is just like aptitude or yum in debian based or red-hat based linux distros long before apple introduced towards the end of 2010. Apple has no shame in claiming it as its own novel and innovative way of installing applications although the flavors existed in the form of "Ubuntu software center" sorts.

In the end, I dont care if Microsoft makes more money or Apple. I need a good product. I will get an Apple product for mobile recreation or to gift to my parents who want something cute and easy to operate. I would get myself a PC (non-MAC based system), if i want to do some real work or play games or play HD movies or upgrade my system in the future or to keep money in my wallet. I am sure you have a cute looking machine. :P


RE: I love thier foundation
By Source9 on 2/9/2011 9:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
Long... winded but good read and good points.


RE: I love thier foundation
By putergeek00 on 2/9/2011 5:06:46 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'd take an arrogant smart and aggressive capitalist moving the industry forward


So, why are you so against Bill Gates??


RE: I love thier foundation
By sweatshopking on 2/7/2011 3:21:31 PM , Rating: 1
You have something fundamentally wrong with you. get some help.


Its a shame...
By gamerk2 on 2/7/2011 10:06:57 AM , Rating: 5
that so many people continue to believe the Vaccine-Autism "link". Kinda goes to show you how some fear mongering, and a single trumped up "study" can persist for years, even after being proven fradulent.




RE: Its a shame...
By kattanna on 2/7/2011 10:55:21 AM , Rating: 3
yep.

he was on the daily show the other night and he even brought up some of the setbacks they have had in africa, like the rumor that the vaccines where meant to sterilize the females, which in turn had an entire country stop the vaccines, which in turn caused the diseases to explode over there.



RE: Its a shame...
By Parhel on 2/7/2011 11:17:48 AM , Rating: 2
It should have been a dead issue years ago. Just an observation, but it seems that bad information never dies when it comes to healthcare and nutrition related issues.


RE: Its a shame...
By Smilin on 2/7/2011 11:33:48 AM , Rating: 2
Fear mongering is particularly powerful when used against one of the strongest human emotions of protecting ones young. I'm a parent with vaccine aged children. I reserve the right to act whacked out in their best interest at any time and for the most trivial reasons.

I did research and had a discussion with our pediatrician. She thought the autism link was a crock and cited several countries that had banned thimerisol with no resulting change in autism rates.

I did my due dilligence then gave them the vaccines that are buried in a mountain of evidence about their positive impact.

I'd rather have an Autistic kid than one that catches a Jenny Mcarthy disease and dies from it.


RE: Its a shame...
By Dr of crap on 2/7/2011 12:28:46 PM , Rating: 2
There shouldn't have been any due dilligence on your part!


RE: Its a shame...
By Smilin on 2/7/2011 5:14:26 PM , Rating: 2
Well technically there shouldn't have been a need for due dilligence. I shouldn't have even been told there was something to worry about.

You tell me something is threatening my kids and I'll check it out unless it's retarded like wonder bread causes limbs to fall off. Thimerisol threats were legitimate enough to check out.


RE: Its a shame...
By Jaybus on 2/7/2011 11:51:05 AM , Rating: 3
In 1984, Australian doctors Marshall and Warren successfully proved by Koch's postulates that the bacterium H. pylori caused peptic ulcer disease. The US NIH accepted H. pylori as the cause of PUD in 1994. Today, doctors are finally starting to treat PUD with antibiotics. It's taken nearly 30 years for the medical community to accept an actual study, in fact, a study that won Marshall and Warren the Nobel prize in 2005. Why is it that a single crackpot faked study is immediately and widely accepted?


RE: Its a shame...
By gamerk2 on 2/7/2011 11:57:35 AM , Rating: 2
Because he could SELL it. He promoted the study, something most scientists don't do. He made sure people know it, which started the fear cycle.


RE: Its a shame...
By Suntan on 2/7/2011 12:30:16 PM , Rating: 3
Because he gave parents an explanation as to how their child became what they are (aka autism.)

We have friends with a son born very close to the time ours was born (now 3 years old.) There son is only very slightly autistic and yet the stress, pain and anguish you can see in their faces as their child continually slips further back as all the other kids in the play group continue to master new skills is palpable. In those situations, even normally level-headed parents will gladly exchange reality for some sense of explanation.

Our friends don’t blame vaccinations, but they have a lot of pent up anger and frustration that I am sure they would love to misplace on any viable explanation if it brings some sense of relief.

-Suntan


RE: Its a shame...
By mcnabney on 2/7/2011 1:10:24 PM , Rating: 2
Your friends have a clue.

One of my closest friends has an autistic child. He is a really great kid and he is making good progress.

However, the parents aren't immunizing him because of the fear brought on by that quack. From a pair of atheists, there is a whole lot of magical thinking going on in that house. I wish only the best for all of them, but am worried about the disease angle.


RE: Its a shame...
By vic5014 on 2/7/2011 1:53:51 PM , Rating: 1
Sad to say, but that's exactly right. Want to shut up crackpots like Jenny McCarthy? Just figure out what the real cause of autism is and have some evidence to back it up. people believe nutbags when the accepted authorities (in this case doctors and scientists) fail to come up with satisfactory explanations.


RE: Its a shame...
By sorry dog on 2/8/2011 11:23:56 AM , Rating: 2
This is actually close to my situation.

My first son was diagnosed with Autism when he was 2 and a half, but the worst of his behavior began to show shortly after his MMR vaccine at a year. An example would be banging his head on the floor screaming as loud as he could for 3 hours straight. We've had the neighbors call the cops before thinking some sort of abuse was going on.

It was hard to ignore the coincidence, so I have spent some time reading the arguments for and against. My current opinion (but definately not conclusion) is that the original study was flawed, however none of the current studies that do not find a relevance between MMR and autism also do not disprove a connection either. The fact is that we do not even close to understand the clauses for autism enough to draw statistical conclusions. It's possible that a genetic factor combined with the vaccine may bring on autism or make it more severe or maybe not. We do not have enough evidence to know.

With that said when it came to my second son we decided to wait until he was two to give the MMR vaccine, with no problems.

With my first he is now no longer diagnosed as strictly autistic but is still on the Austism Spectrum Disorder. This is after daily therapy (and just about ALL my income). It is extremely frustrating to deal with, and I can easily see why some parents jump on the vaccine bandwagon.


3 OR 4 percent ?!.
By fteoath64 on 2/7/2011 11:30:44 AM , Rating: 2
It is more like 30% or 40% percent especially those huge companies are Pharmas who give less products for lots of money and always said "trust us, we have been in this for years...". Yeah, reaping people off and killing them in the process slowly. It is really sick.

Yes, what Gates is going is novel but dishing out such tremendous amounts of cash attracts those types that do legal abuse hiding behind very well crafted laws which they were originally responsible for. Go do your research, the truth is out there and it is frightening.




By Rob94hawk on 2/9/2011 9:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
It is pathetic to say that over 90% of people that are pro child vaccinations are not vaccinated for anything themselves. Dispute me all you want, I can prove it. I work in the ICU's. I read everyone's chart. Over 90% of adults are not vaccinated for Hepatitis B, a overwhelmingly adult disease.

Ever see the vaccination chart for children? Any adult would wuss out and call the ACLU if they were mandated to recieve that many vaccinations. But it's easier to force a child to do it than man up and take them yourself.

Man->pussies.




By gochichi on 2/11/2011 5:45:42 AM , Rating: 2
I think it's interesting to see the American elite look at mainstream America as the same as some other place. They are so far disconnected that who would really care.

You milk us to death, and when even you agree that you have too much milk, more than you can ever use, you decide to spill it elsewhere. This is a general pattern.

Say I make $5 million / year. To me the difference between someone making $50k/yr and $5k/yr is trivial. So if philanthropic "maximization" is what it's about, I'm going to spend American monies elsewhere.

They've hired workers with this mindset in mind. Now they're continuing onto welfare practices. Never mind that America isn't an unchanging place. America used to be a fairly solid block of cheese, the first person that discovered that you could bore out some cheese and it would still stand (thinking swiss cheese) made a tremendous discovery. But this tremendous discovery will eventually lead to the collapse of the structure.

I really hate it when people say, "You can't deny that... Bill Gates...". Mr Jobs got screwed out of his slice of history and has taken his time to ensure that he makes it back into the history books. His comeback is a fascinating story. Bill Gates' stepping away from Microsoft when so many of its business practices were under investigation (I reckon they keep being found guilty of illegal activity) is hardly the award winner most of you make it out to be.

Listen, if there's no America as we knew it, all this crud won't matter. Some lucky fools pledging to give their essentially "too much money" away to weird things is in no way going to bring that money back into the economy in a self-sustaining way.

I hate the view that this country is the same as every other country. We weren't famous for our classy cooking, we weren't famous or our tremendous polish. We were famous in our sharing of our fruits more equitably with one another than our peer countries. Here, the janitor's kid can go to college. The janitor has a pensionable job... or that was the idea anyway.

We were great for our violence. The violence of the un-elite towards the elite. Now the elite have too much, even they know it, but rather than give it back, (Simply take it back to where they stole it from) they have now decided to send it as far away was possible never to return.

There are epidemics going on in America, we are terribly positioned for the future. We keep being bitten and beaten by our lack of looking out for ourselves and seeing the big picture.

So no, great impact to the world? Not a positive one. Have the leaders of America, which could have and should have been looking to profit share, ship their loot as broadly away from the American worker... oh man. And for what? So that some other power emerges without even an inkling of the concern we have and had for justice and fairness?

Steve Jobs at least dominates his field, makes America's reputation better, gives America the pedigree it requires. When you're buying those "Designed in California" products you realize that there is no other place in the world yet that designs a better product.

It's so out of touch to applaud the siphoning out of funds. When you run your race, and you realize you "won" and you can't spend your reward. You may look to your team and share your winnings there.

My point hasn't been made before. My point is that true morality can only take place when individual citizens have their fair share in the economy. These "American leaders" could be focusing on how to make the median salary $50k in the USA, so we had free people able to control their destinies and so on.

Ethically speaking, there's really not too much to judge about those making $20k a year. You left your baby momma? Who wouldn't. You could barely afford food for you. It's like if you're starving and you steal so bread... you get a free pass. But that's what America is becoming, the starved place, where no morality could exist. And it was always our morality that set us apart. Not our smarts, or our prettiness, but the fact that people here had extra income with which to be ethical, with which to dream up new things and lead with innovation.

Globalization... if its the goal and you're literally used a number as Gates describes...




Charitable but not benefitful
By vision33r on 2/11/2011 9:39:38 AM , Rating: 2
Why it is commendable that Gates tackle poverty and malaria. This isn't helping evolution. We're protecting weaker gene pools and allowing them to mix in society.

You want a simple fix? Let the weaker genes die so the the stronger once will prevail and not get contaminated by the weaker ones.

Maybe once we stop saving the weak we will progress as society.




It Would Be Nice...
By mmatis on 2/7/2011 1:18:27 PM , Rating: 1
if he could manage at least HALF AS MUCH approbation for policies that REALLY have killed millions. Such as the DDT ban, for instance. And on the autism/vaccine link, I'm still not sure it isn't true simply because a group of official "scientists" say it's not. I've seen MORE THAN ENOUGH lies and half-truths from same to drive a STRONG disbelief in ANY of their official policies.




Bill Gates killed thousands of kids
By Shadowmaster625 on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: Bill Gates killed thousands of kids
By Motoman on 2/7/2011 10:55:33 AM , Rating: 5
OMFG. I though people as stupid as you were only a myth.

Then again...we already knew about Jenny McCarthy.

Please do us all a favor...for the love of Dog, DO NOT BREED!


RE: Bill Gates killed thousands of kids
By Pirks on 2/7/2011 11:02:29 AM , Rating: 1
Don't worry Moto, he/she won't breed since it's very likely his/her unvaccinated kids will die from smallpox or something. Idiots like this one die naturally by Its Allmightyness Natural Selection.


By Iaiken on 2/7/2011 11:20:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Idiots like this one die naturally by Its Allmightyness Natural Selection.


One can only hope...


By Dr of crap on 2/7/2011 12:31:08 PM , Rating: 2
GOOD reply, for once!


RE: Bill Gates killed thousands of kids
By Joz on 2/7/2011 10:59:16 AM , Rating: 2
You are just wrong in more ways then I could ever elaborate on.

I would gladly talk[beat] some sense into you, but I'd rather not touch you even if I had a hazmat suit on.


By putergeek00 on 2/9/2011 5:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
Good call. Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. :)


RE: Bill Gates killed thousands of kids
By Fleeb on 2/7/2011 11:00:07 AM , Rating: 2
I have a question because I am not aware of what you are saying. So out of those third world countries vaccinated, how many of the children suddenly become autistic? In hard numbers? Percentages? Any form of statistics?

Also, what Mercury are you talking about? Me and my friends, actually everyone in our school and village were vaccinated when we were young. We were given shots of different vaccines - pox, polio, etc. Two decades later, nobody suddenly turned autistic.


By Smilin on 2/7/2011 6:33:33 PM , Rating: 2
Hard fact:

Thiomersal was banned in Sweden. The autism rate dropped sharply by zero percent.


RE: Bill Gates killed thousands of kids
By TheDoc9 on 2/7/11, Rating: -1
RE: Bill Gates killed thousands of kids
By Suntan on 2/7/2011 12:23:14 PM , Rating: 4
The guy has spent *billions* of his own money, not to mention he and his wife are doing this almost full time, trying to save lives…

Personally, I don’t care too much about the people he’s trying to save, but I can appreciate and respect that he isn’t “faking” it when he is putting that kind of money and time into the activity.

-Suntan


By toxicmess on 2/7/2011 2:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
This seems like a noble cause. It makes perfect sense to vaccinate to prevent life threatening diseases. Then again no 3rd world countries have the same bloated vaccine schedule as the U.S. Heck, no first world countries push as many vaccines as the U.S. does.

I would like to see Bill pay for an independent study of vaccine safety. We know that vaccines (especially multiple vaccines) are not safe for everyone. It would be great to put this debate to rest and make them as safe as possible.

The study needs to be independent. It's difficult to trust the combined Pharma/Government/Medical/Media onslaught with so much money at stake. I wonder how much money Bill has invested in Big Pharma?


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