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Ebay hopes that by shuffling its priorities it can compete with Amazon and others

It’s hard to argue with Amazon.com’s success in carving out a large portion of the online sales market; much of it out of the waiting hands of eBay.  Some of these gains have been eBay's fault, experts say, as eBay managed to alienate its sellers through a series of rate increases and policy changes.  Some, however, say that busy people just can't keep up with online auctions, and over time the sales approach is falling to instant fixed-price sales.

In the past, sellers could elect to designate an item as "Buy It Now", but this typically carried heavier fees.  Now eBay is overhauling its fees structures to change this.  Under the new system, which goes into effect in mid-September, sellers will be able to list "Buy It Now" or “Fixed Price” items for only 35 cents for listing that range up to a 30 days in duration.  This will also extend the amount of time the items are on site.

Another big change, which affects buyers, is that they will have less payment options.  Buyers can no longer pay with checks, cash, or money orders; a move designed to curb fraud.  Users must now pay with a credit card, debit card, or eBay's subsidiary PayPal.

Though some buyers may perceive the new policy as buyer-unfriendly, eBay CEO John Donahoe says that move is quite the contrary.  Experts are reticent about eBay's moves, but agree change is needed.  Scot Wingo, chief executive of the market research firm ChannelAdvisor states, "Buying online has changed.  Retail sites no longer make customers choose between convenience and price.  The current system puts eBay at a disadvantage."

Lorrie Norrington, president of eBay Marketplace, which includes the eBay site, admits, "Clearly there’s a strong buyer preference for fixed price.  We love the auction model.  It’s still a great model for certain types of sales."

Many sellers are praising the move.  Rhonda Shrader, a maker of women's clothing from San Francisco says she already changed most of her items to fixed price, so the cuts are especially helpful.  She says today only 10 percent of her sales come from auctions.  She adds, "I think the auction was a novelty at the beginning, but now people want what they want, when they want it."

 Wingo commented that in the past there was opposition to fixed price sales at eBay, due to its auction roots.  He continues, "The previous management tried to fight it.  This management is more willing to ride along with it."

The changes come just before the holiday shopping season in which eBay hopes to turn around slumping growth and show off a strong performance.



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Bye
By whickywhickyjim on 8/21/2008 12:59:22 PM , Rating: 5
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Buyers can no longer pay with checks, cash, or money orders; a move designed to curb fraud. Users must now pay with a credit card, debit card, or eBay's subsidiary PayPal.


This means that the casual seller has no choice but to accept paypal - many casual sellers don't have the ability to accept credit or debit.

Ebay is officially over for me.




RE: Bye
By jjunos on 8/21/2008 1:08:44 PM , Rating: 1
Getting a paypal account is trivial, and linking that to an empty bank account is simple too. Sure, having other paypal competitors would be nice, but they would have the same level of entry as paypal.

Removing the opportunity for fraud I think is a positive step. From one who's been conned before, I am glad to see the removal of checks/money orders as payment options.

Paypal at least gives you options.


RE: Bye
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/21/2008 1:10:54 PM , Rating: 5
If gives you the option of being attacked with fees THREE TIMES.

1) Insertion Fees
2) Final Value Fees
3) PayPal Fees

At least if sellers were able to accept a Money Order, they'd be able to dodge PayPal fees which can get pretty expensive.


RE: Bye
By Spivonious on 8/21/2008 1:18:20 PM , Rating: 4
Don't forget Buy-it-Now fees, reserve price fees, picture fees, etc., etc.


RE: Bye
By 1frisbee1 on 8/21/2008 1:59:55 PM , Rating: 5
Don't also forget that Canadians who list in US prices get royally scammed by paypal ridiculous exchange rates...


RE: Bye
By siberus on 8/21/2008 3:47:13 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah their exchange rates are ridiculous..


RE: Bye
By dreddly on 8/21/2008 8:50:32 PM , Rating: 2
Not only that, but under this new system shouldn't ebay be forced to show local prices in the amounts they will be under the Paypal exchange rate system?

As it is now, they show you the current exchange rate's value of your item, but as far as I can tell paypal's exchange rates are both ridiculous and hidden....


RE: Bye
By tastyratz on 8/22/2008 10:33:44 AM , Rating: 2
What they should do if they were smart, is allow more payment systems. Instead they are greedy and want maximum profit even if it drives away all of their sellers. Imagine if they allowed google checkout? Ebay would likely flourish again far more than it is - even if they make a little less on each sale.

This is not a move to help people by avoiding fraud, this is to increase their bottom line by not allowing cash/check payments in auctions. While craigslist is the best location for local sales - many items are purchased and sold on ebay with the option of local pickup. Would you bother with paypal when your physically visiting the seller? This will hurt large item local pickup sales. I think cash/check/money order sales should still be allowed but they should put a few more red flags and notices to buyers.

People are aware of the risk. Its obviously less convenient but paypal has screwed so many people it retains the paypal haters on ebay.

How does this extend to ebay motors? Are you going to now be expected to send a $10,000 payment through paypal for a private seller used car for example?


RE: Bye
By tastyratz on 8/22/2008 10:36:42 AM , Rating: 2
p.s. I also forgot to mention:
This prettymuch spells the end of almost all of their "mature audiences" listings. Paypal was banned from use in mature audiences awhile ago (since we all know paypal has SUCH integrity as a wholesome caring company) This leaves credit card sales only, and that means nobody but large sellers can use it.


RE: Bye
By jjunos on 8/21/2008 2:08:54 PM , Rating: 2
True, I was never implying that paypal was the best choice. Obviously, if we could simply exchange cash for merchandise, it would be great.

But with money orders/cheques, there are no fallback if you are conned. Sure you pay fee's but at least Paypal offers you some security.


RE: Bye
By 16nm on 8/21/2008 10:39:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
if we could simply exchange cash for merchandise, it would be great.


You can.
http://www.craigslist.org/
Fees: $0.00
Knowing you won't have to mess w/eBay: priceless


RE: Bye
By jjunos on 8/22/2008 12:15:37 AM , Rating: 2
Craiglist is awesome for local things (and if you can find what you want local, there's no better way), but Ebay is an entirely different beast. While they do overlap in a lot of areas, until craiglist creates more of a global element to their site, I don't know if you can easily compare the two.

Just my 2cents.


RE: Bye
By mm2587 on 8/22/2008 12:49:55 AM , Rating: 3
craigslist's global element

www.google.com

"thing you want" site:craigslist.org


RE: Bye
By whickywhickyjim on 8/21/2008 1:33:12 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry to hear that you got scammed. I never meant to imply that paypal was difficult to use. I just had a very bad experience with paypal and simply refuse to ever use the service again, on principal. And I'm not alone in this regard. Money Orders were slow, but worked fine for me - even for international stuff. If I ever received a phony money order that I couldn't cash (never happened to me), I wouldn't have shipped out an item as a seller. And I never dealt with checks - I've heard enough stories about checks bouncing. Now that I can't accept or buy with money orders, I won't be doing anything on ebay.


RE: Bye
By jjunos on 8/21/2008 2:14:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I've had both positive and negatives with Paypal too. Don't get me wrong, I seriously wish there was a better venue for paying for this stuff without the large fees.

I think the money order has more to do with the people buying. If you send a money order to a seller, there is no way of ensuring you'll receive your bought item. A money order is basically the same thing as sending money in the mail. Once the other party has it, you can't do much. At least with Paypal, there are some securities.

The real question is, how can you make it better? Creating an escrow style payment puts the onus on the buyers to be honest. Money orders put it on the sellers.


RE: Bye
By Screwballl on 8/21/2008 3:35:09 PM , Rating: 1
Fairly new company that is an official bank and not some scam like Paypal:

REVOLUTION MONEY EXCHANGE


RE: Bye
By Golgatha on 8/21/2008 3:59:33 PM , Rating: 4
It would be nice to have an option like Google Checkout. Oh wait, eBay doesn't give you that option since it violates their TOS. Looks like Amazon is going to get the lion's share of the fixed price business (like they didn't have it already).


RE: Bye
By Spivonious on 8/21/2008 1:11:45 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agree. I now have no choice but to get hit with Paypal fees if I want to sell something.

What was wrong with checks/money orders? Sellers can't get scammed, since they have the item, and buyers can't get scammed because they can get proof that the check/money order was cashed.

This move is a lot like preventing sellers from leaving anything but positive feedback - stupid.


RE: Bye
By jjunos on 8/21/2008 2:19:38 PM , Rating: 3
It's the buyers who get scammed.

If you look through the ebay forums, or some news sites at times, you'll see many examples of this. Usually an auction goes up for some really hot commodity. Seller has a 70-200 positive feedback. Selling X items at $Y, only money orders.

Then months down the line when your bought item hasn't shown up, you have no recourse.

Paypal at least ensures the identity of the person. (Well, I should say *should*...paypal isn't exactly perfect either).


RE: Bye
By Spivonious on 8/21/2008 3:40:40 PM , Rating: 2