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News of the new Oblivion game will make PC gamers happier than Glarthir spying on his neighbors in the Elder Scrolls: Oblivion  (Source: gamepressure.com)

The Elder Scrolls Oblivion set the bar in 2006 for PC graphics and quest-driven gameplay. Many subsequent games tried to varying degrees of success to follow its formula. What surprises and innovations might the next game in the franchise, due in 2010, hold in store?  (Source: IGN.com)
Fans of Oblivion will be pleased to hear a new Elder Scrolls title

Bethesda Studios made a name for itself with the wildly successful Elder Scrolls series.  By grafting a thin layer of RPG mechanics over a hack-and-slash framework, and combining it with deep quest driven gameplay, the company became a wild success.  When it released Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion in March 2006, one of the most graphically intensive PC games at its time of release, it cemented itself as one of PC gaming's elite.

Its latest hit is Fallout 3, a reimagination of the classic series of PC games.  Released this week, the title covers the exploits of a nuclear holocaust survivor who has been living underground in a protective vault.  While many hardcore fans were (and some still are) wary of Bethesda's handling of this cult favorite, Bethesda is cited as doing a good job including the series dark retro-humor and many familiar mechanics.  The game drew rave reviews thus far and has garnered many awards for its scope, despite minor criticism.

Now fresh off what is sure to be its latest commercial success, one of Bethesda's employees leaked news of the company's upcoming plans, including a new Elder Scrolls game.  Paul Oughton, publishing executive for Bethesda states, "At the moment we've got Fallout 3 for this year and potentially there's a new Elder Scrolls title in 2010.  At the moment we're not that interested in the Wii. We're going to stick to PS3, Xbox 360 and PC. We'll continue to pursue three or four titles a year and go for big titles"

While obviously the most interesting piece of news for Elder Scrolls fans is word of the new game, also interesting is Bethesda indifference toward the wildly successful Nintendo's consoles.  Mr. Oughton says that Bethesda may eventually develop products for the system, but it’s still adjusting to the idea of the seemingly odd games that are very popular for the systems.  He adds, "We've seen games selling in the past 18 months that we never thought we'd see. We wouldn't have thought that pet games and cooking games would have a viable market five years ago. No publisher would have taken those products on."

He sees the market as becoming saturated, a possible obstacle to seeing Bethesda titles on the Wii.  He continuess, "But Nintendo bought new products in with vast amounts of marketing money to launch these into the minds of the consumer and made a market for them. Every other publisher then very quickly developed DS and Wii products and we're getting to saturation now."

For PC gamers, though, all the talk of Nintendo, PS3, and Xbox 360 is nothing compared to the announcement of another chapter in one of PC gaming's most successful franchises.  The news will likely make PC gamers happier than the wood elf Glarthir after a sanguineous spree.



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So this means that....
By Fenixgoon on 10/30/2008 10:19:36 AM , Rating: 5
the same 5 people will voice EVERY npc in the game, and that awful leveling system will return?

*cries* say it ain't so!




RE: So this means that....
By InvertMe on 10/30/2008 10:55:43 AM , Rating: 5
I don't mind the voices but I HATE the leveling system. I cannot support the game for that reason alone.


RE: So this means that....
By snownpaint on 10/30/2008 11:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
agreed.. plus it seemed no matter what level I was, the enemies were just as difficult to destroy. I still ran from trolls while blasting them with magic and then whacking them, even though I should have been able to kill them with one blast through my leveling up.. Also, what about becoming an invisible ninja by sneaking everywhere all the time, or eventually being able to jump tall building in a single bound by hopping everywhere.


RE: So this means that....
By DM0407 on 10/30/2008 11:38:28 AM , Rating: 5
Well, if you had the PC version you could change the leveling system as well as just about every other aspect of the game to suit your needs.

The 360 and PS3 are convenient and certainly more popular, but this game was about 10x better on the PC.


RE: So this means that....
By Hydrofirex on 10/30/2008 12:16:29 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Well, if you had the PC version you could change the leveling system as well as just about every other aspect of the game to suit your needs.

Not really. I agree with all of the above individuals - the leveling mechanics ruined what should have been the best RPG to date - and I was playing on the PC. Sure, there is a difficulty slider, and sure you could adjust the class system, but leveling was just completely unsatisfying! I did none of the quests and got about 40 hours into the game just wandering the countryside. I meticulously leveled my character to get the max increase in the stats I wanted every level only to realize that it didn't make a difference...

Still, I am excited. It set the bar to new heights in terms of a fully open world - which games like STALKER are still trying to match years later.

Let's hope they up the graphics, and refine the game play! Because in the end all the pretty graphics and endless countryside don't mean much without a compelling game play experience. For an RPG this means including a satisfying character progression.

HfX


RE: So this means that....
By Digimonkey on 10/30/2008 12:55:15 PM , Rating: 3
I think the poster above you was talking about add-ons and mods. The modding community for the PC version of Oblivion is insane. They have a mod that changes the leveling system completely, so enemies don't level with you. It's just one of a few thousand mods that exist though.

Oblivion truly shows the perk of having a PC version.


RE: So this means that....
By MrBlastman on 10/31/2008 10:29:52 AM , Rating: 3
All he needed to do was look no further than Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul and Deadly Combat.

Those two alone make a HUGE diff1erence to the game. Who wouldn't like dungeon specific artifacts and items (something in Morrowind), special quests, places you could wander into and the enemies were far to powerful at a lower level (also in Morrowind), enemies that don't level with you, drop lit torch mod (thanks Frugal), Critical hits such as chopping off heads, arms or legs, the ability to punch/bash people with your shield/pommel... I could name even more.

All of this is available and a lot more in just those two mods by themselves. Anyone who ridcules the game obviously has not relished the sheer abundance of joy that is had by playing it with the mods. They transform the game.


RE: So this means that....
By jRaskell on 10/30/2008 1:02:48 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone who focused almost exclusively on the level system in Oblivion missed nearly 90% of the game, and it's no wonder at all that they were disappointed.

I chose to focus on the quests and storyline, and in all honesty never had a single problem with the level system. I didn't even try to min-max my character in any way.

Truth is, the compelling game play experience WAS there, but you chose to spend 40 hours focusing on wandering the countryside and then complain about the fact that you didn't find it?


RE: So this means that....
By InvertMe on 10/30/2008 1:16:34 PM , Rating: 3
I need to have BOTH. Story and worth while leveling. Just like most games offer. The level sync is just a bad game mechanic to cover up other design flaws in the game.

Really Oblivion would have been better off if they just ditched leveling all together. Then you could play just for the story.


RE: So this means that....
By Suntan on 10/30/2008 1:34:18 PM , Rating: 3
that's kinda how I felt about Morrowind.

...I'm walking around in a pretty enviornment, but not much is happening. Although unrelated, that was about the time I just lost interest computer games. It was more satisfying to load up an emulator and play the old NES/SNES/PS1/N64 games on that than to constantly upgrade a PC for todays PC games.

-Suntan


RE: So this means that....
By LordanSS on 10/30/2008 7:31:03 PM , Rating: 2
I agree...

Upon launch, I played the game a couple times (on the PC), and it was awesome. Couple years have passed, but the amount of modifications you can add to Oblivion is so immense that makes a new play through a whole new experience.

The difference it made, the leveling, damage/weapon modifications, and the graphics/texture packs (not to mention extra quests for new unique items)... hell, you can even play with the Stargate SG-1 team if you want. =P

PC > Consoles... just wish we could see more games for it. =/


RE: So this means that....
By TreeDude62 on 10/30/2008 12:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
The dynamic difficulty will change. Fallout 3 uses a modified form of what was in Oblivion. Instead of every enemy leveling with you they level until you reach that area, then they stop. This means you can revisit areas and be stronger than you were. It is an improvement, but I really think they should ditch it entirely.


RE: So this means that....
By TomCorelis on 10/30/2008 1:51:22 PM , Rating: 2
Have you played Fallout 3? The voice acting is quite diverse, and they tweaked the NPC-leveling system a bit.


RE: So this means that....
By kilkennycat on 10/30/2008 6:26:53 PM , Rating: 2
You obviously have not yet played Fallout3.... Unlike certain other video-game companies regurgitating worn-out franchises, Bethesda has listened to their customers with regard to the pereceived shortcomings of Oblivion, while also respecting the Fallout franchise.


RE: So this means that....
By FaceMaster on 10/30/2008 8:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
OH YES OH YES OOOHHOHOHOHHHHHHHHOHOHHHHHHHHH yes

With that out of the way, YES! Finally, another Elder Scrolls game. They learnt from their mistakes, everybody hates the levelling system. I don't have any problem with the voice acting- it's certainly better than reading THIS MUCH TEXT

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I'm worried that the graphics won't be much better due to those stupidly slow CONSOLES (I mean, they removed soft shadows because the Xbox360 couldn't handle them and they didn't want it to feel inferior to PCs which would eventually be able to run it at 1000 fps. Don't argue, I was there that fateful night on the forums when they removed them.)

I'm looking forward to a larger world so that different environments can be added in. I want deserts, snow and stuff. Tamriel was too samey for my liking. It was beautiful for the time, however, and I love the quests. They were of such a high standard.

I'm looking forward to it. I hope they make it more hardcore, like Morrowind. I loved getting lost in the horrible wilderness, lvl18 golden saints surrounding me whilst I used the pants of levitation to escape. Fargoth and Uncle Crassius added a certain feel to the game, too. Don't forget that evil Daedroth who actually said 'I'll rape your corpse'. Morrowind was so large I bet that very few people ever found most of these things. Or lost the ring of power under the carpet when Uncle Crassius wants you to strip.


RE: So this means that....
By MrPoletski on 11/1/2008 10:17:50 PM , Rating: 3
step away from the red bull.


RE: So this means that....
By PWNettle on 11/3/2008 2:15:39 PM , Rating: 2
I find Oblivion to be horribly boring and can't stand the character development or gameplay.

Oblivion is like a poor or mediocre MMORPG with no other players around.

Fallout 3 is the new Elder Scrolls game anyways - an abomination and slap in the face of everyone who loved Fallout 1 & 2.


By InstinctiveWanderer on 11/5/2008 12:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
Well there is no accounting for different people having different tastes but "Oblivion being horribly boring and Oblivion being LIKE a poor or mediocre MMORPG"

Dude I just need to ask you this

"What the hell have you been smoking"


I love the paranoia picture
By MrBlastman on 10/30/2008 10:20:24 AM , Rating: 2
Glarthir, how appropriate. I laughed.

Thanks for the laugh on a day that I really need it.




RE: I love the paranoia picture
By JasonMick (blog) on 10/30/2008 10:24:12 AM , Rating: 2
"These people MUST be killed! There is no choice, they are definitely conspiring against me.

Bernadette Peneles
Toutius Sextius
Davide Surilie (THE RINGLEADER -- kill him first!)

Come back and see me (make sure you are NOT followed) once it is done and I will give you your reward.

Glarthir "


RE: I love the paranoia picture
By kzrssk on 11/5/2008 12:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
It's too bad about Glarthir. If I recall correctly, I think Bernadette actually thought he was sweet. Maybe if he had found out, he could have gotten laid and stopped being such a sociopath.


I had a PC videogame magazine from years ago
By PCXLFan on 10/31/2008 1:26:01 AM , Rating: 2
I think it was from back when previews of Redguard were coming out. Must have been PC Gamer(US edition) or PC Games. And in the news section of the magazine they briefly mentioned the order of planned future titles for the Company.

IIRC Redguard -> Morrowind -> Oblivion -> Summerset Isles

So if they've still stuck to the path the title and location of the next game should be the High Elves Home land.




By aos007 on 11/5/2008 7:33:28 PM , Rating: 2
Oh man, Redguard was some game. It was the best Elder Scrolls game I played to date and had a best puzzle in any game, ever. Morrowind was pretty good in its own way. Oblivion... I thought it was good until the levelling system killed my enthusiasm around 25th hour and I had to force myself to finish it. Reviews were silent about this but I am glad so many people are voicing the same concern today. Justice is slow but at least it arrives eventually.


well
By MrPoletski on 11/1/2008 10:15:03 PM , Rating: 2
"He adds, "We've seen games selling in the past 18 months that we never thought we'd see. We wouldn't have thought that pet games and cooking games would have a viable market five years ago. No publisher would have taken those products on."

That's a very polite way of saying.. whats all this bullsh**??!?

Well done sir.




Good Thinking
By TerranMagistrate on 10/30/08, Rating: 0
Huh?
By Spivonious on 10/30/08, Rating: -1
RE: Huh?
By TheSpaniard on 10/30/2008 9:51:15 AM , Rating: 2
Well... for MS we may very well have a new console, but Sony declared a 10 year cycle for the PS3 so the PS3 will likely be 8 years old when the PS4 comes out... if they aren't going to short-change the PS3


RE: Huh?
By MykC on 10/30/2008 10:24:43 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Sony declared a 10 year cycle for the PS3 so the PS3 will likely be 8 years old when the PS4 comes out...

When Sony stated the PS3 was going to have a 10 year life cycle it was in reference to how long the product will be on the shelf. IE the PS1 was still in the market place a couple of years after the PS2 was released and the PS2 still continues to be a strong product. The life cycle of the PS3 has little relation to when the PS4 will be out.


RE: Huh?
By quiksilvr on 10/30/2008 10:58:47 AM , Rating: 3
I'm thinking along the same lines, but frankly I doubt a PS4 or Xbox 720 will be released in 2010. Announced maybe, but not released.


RE: Huh?
By Mojo the Monkey on 10/30/2008 7:08:47 PM , Rating: 2
If we learn anything from history, we simply wait for the first E3 where MS or Sony show off some "actual" gameplay and tout release of their system within the year, then add 2 more years.


RE: Huh?
By amanojaku on 10/30/2008 9:54:12 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, of course. If I spent $500 on a console I'd play it for 10 years. People still play the SNES. The market for older console games is large and Nintendo is capitalizing on this with the virtual console games on the Wii. The Xbox has its Live Arcade with older games like Ikaruga. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's worthless.


RE: Huh?
By Spivonious on 10/30/2008 10:05:41 AM , Rating: 2
You missed my point.

People still play SNES and Genesis, but is anyone making new games for them?


RE: Huh?
By FaceMaster on 10/30/2008 8:44:00 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree- my ATI 4850's going to waste when all games are based off console standards. I'm sure the graphics will improve as developers squeeze the most out of the consoles, but I doubt we'll see any game as good looking as Crysis out until the PS4 or what ever. PC only development is kind of rubbish for developers in terms of money. Which is a shame.


RE: Huh?
By jbzx86 on 10/30/2008 10:06:26 AM , Rating: 2
People still play PS2 as well, which is in its 8th year. I suspect many will continue to play their PS2.

I'm not certain we'll see a new console from Microsoft for a few more years either.


RE: Huh?
By nafhan on 10/30/2008 1:26:46 PM , Rating: 2
More importantly, people still BUY the PS2. I think the PS3 has only recently surpassed the PS2's monthly sales numbers (not certain of that).


RE: Huh?
By tallcool1 on 10/30/2008 10:15:17 AM , Rating: 2
Do you think that in the span of the next 1 1/2 years that all people will stop playing on the 360? I doubt it. Both the 360 and the PS3 still have plenty of life left in them. Both support the technology needed for the next few years.

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RE: Huh?
By snownpaint on 10/30/2008 10:28:41 AM , Rating: 2
After a little look up..

The PS2 is the best-selling console to date, having reached over 140 million units in sales by mid-2008. It came out in 1999 and the PS3 came out in 2006, giving the PS2 a 7 year life time. The PS3 is set for 10 years from Sony..

Xbox360 came out in 2005 and the Xbox was 2002. I believe the Xbox was just touching it full potential when the Xbox360 came out, and could have gone for another 2 years. (Ninja Gaiden(2004) was amazing). However, the XBox360's first release gave it the jump on the PS3 and pushed XBox360 ahead in sales, it was a market share gamble.

Therefore, with the tech they have in these systems now, and programmers just beginning to touch on the power of the consoles. They could easily last for another 7 - 8 years. Finally, the loss in revenue these new systems cost the companies to manufacture, I don't think they are going to be replacing it for many years, hoping to make the profit over the long term, and the longer the better.

On a side note, with the direction EA is going, I would foresee them jumping into the console market eventually. (a PC with a basic OS, you hook up to your TV to play PC games)


RE: Huh?
By quiksilvr on 10/30/2008 11:03:47 AM , Rating: 1
That's not why there was a three year gap between Xbox and Xbox 360. The reason why they were coming out with 360 so soon is because:
1) Their contract with nVidia (their GPU for Xbox) was expiring and Sony was developing the RSX for the PS3. As a result they had to come out with a new console fast or have one year with no Xbox on the shelves.
2) They wanted a head start on the competition. Sony and Nintendo were releasing their consoles in 2006 and Microsoft wanted to steal some of those sales.

Also, Befesda is going towards consoles because there are more sales there and much less piracy occurs on consoles than on PC.

It was a bad move all around. Frankly they should have waited one year and fixed all the problems with the 360 and released it simultaneously with the other consoles. Could have avoided this RROD fiasco.


RE: Huh?
By snownpaint on 10/30/2008 11:07:35 AM , Rating: 2
#2 is the same as "However, the XBox360's first release gave it the jump on the PS3 and pushed XBox360 ahead in sales, it was a market share gamble."


RE: Huh?
By The0ne on 10/30/2008 11:51:31 AM , Rating: 2
Piracy is just easier with PCs and harder for most kids with consoles. Still, piracy exist for both computing and consoles. But yes, sales on the consoles have larger figures than their PC counterpart and it is a valid reason to jump into the area. However, it also doesn't mean it's a guarantee win as well. It depends of your product and how well it will sell. Many many companies failed (in terms of profit).


RE: Huh?
By TerranMagistrate on 10/30/2008 5:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Still, piracy exist for both computing and consoles.


That's undeniably true in most cases but piracy does not exist on the PS3 since it hasn't even been hacked yet, despite it having a 16mil+ installed base. Piracy on the Xbox 360 though is alive and well (8 million more consoles sold than PS3). The reason I brought up total sales figures is so that no one will mistakenly say that PS3 isn't being pirated due to it not being established enough.

Once Blu-Ray hardware becomes commonplace and cheap for PCs then maybe Sony will have to worry about rampant pirating for the PS3. But today, there's no such thing.


RE: Huh?
By Noliving on 10/30/2008 4:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
Xbox came out in 2001 not 2005.


RE: Huh?
By ET on 10/30/08, Rating: -1
RE: Huh?
By kilkennycat on 10/30/2008 6:32:10 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
You know, 2010 starts in January


Really?? Please mail me all the stockmarket quotes for the past 365 days. I would like to become a billionaire.


RE: Huh?
By dflynchimp on 10/31/2008 2:56:41 PM , Rating: 2
sorry to break the news to you, I've seen the quotes. It's a perpetual downward spiral


RE: Huh?
By lagomorpha on 10/31/2008 11:47:45 PM , Rating: 2
Good news: he'll be able to finally become a billionaire
Bad news: he'll need that billion dollars to buy dinner


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