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Best Buy rids itself of HD DVD

Although Best Buy ran sales for HD DVD, at one point 30 percent off on all stock, it appears that the format’s run at the big box retailer is officially at an end.

Completely bypassing any last-ditch firesale action, Best Buy has instructed its retail locations to remove all HD DVD product from store shelves. As posted on AVS Forum, an official memorandum sent to stores read, “Mosaic [field marketing company] will be in all stores before open on March 26 to pull and send back all HD-DVD titles. The representative will fill out the sendback paperwork and create a manifest for each individual tote. They'll also flex all Blu-ray inventory across the space where HD-DVD was featured.”

The memo also describes the removal of signage that still mentions HD DVD: “Mosaic will remove any header signs that list both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, as they are no longer valid signs in the store. Stores will be responsible to order additional Blu-ray sign rails to fill in the space left by the removed HD-DVD signs.”

While some HD DVD diehards were still waiting for further sales from brick and mortar stores, it won’t be happening at Best Buy. Select Circuit City locations are reported to also be sending HD DVD stock back for refund rather than for sale purposes. The stores that still carry the format are clearing product at 50 percent off.

With Best Buy and Circuit City soon washing its hands of HD DVD software, the retailers only dealings with the format may be through consolation promotions such as a free $50 gift card or trade-in program.



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Probably be scrapped
By djc208 on 3/28/2008 7:55:15 AM , Rating: 2
The sad part is these returned movies will probably end up being destroyed rather than selling them.

So no cheap HD-DVDs for us and more crap in our landfills.




RE: Probably be scrapped
By Marvlarv on 3/28/2008 8:00:08 AM , Rating: 2
I think the materials that is used in the hd dvd should be reused as other stuff, I currently know how to do that but I am sure someone will find out


RE: Probably be scrapped
By 16nm on 3/28/2008 9:39:31 AM , Rating: 5
I agree completely. I have seen some movies of recent that would make great high definition drink coasters.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By BMFPitt on 3/28/2008 8:15:52 AM , Rating: 3
Considering most of their titles were priced at $30, it's no wonder they didn't move anywhere for 30% off... I went in once a week or so waiting for the "real" sale that will never come. I don't get why they'd rather pay to ship them back than sell some to me for $10-15.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By Spivonious on 3/28/2008 10:10:38 AM , Rating: 2
If they bought them for $15 a disc, then they lose nothing by sending them back. If they sold them for $10, they'd lose $5 a disc.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By Oregonian2 on 3/28/2008 1:52:11 PM , Rating: 2
So... maybe they will show up in the $5 bin at Kroger or K-Mart....


RE: Probably be scrapped
By Gul Westfale on 3/28/2008 2:01:13 PM , Rating: 1
i bought the devil's rejects on UMD for 6 bucks at the local futureshop (owned by best buy) a year ago. wonder why they didn't have a similar sale now?


RE: Probably be scrapped
By therealnickdanger on 3/28/2008 2:06:55 PM , Rating: 2
Can't really compare them. In the case of UMD, Sony's distributor may have not "recalled" the discs and instead offered Best Buy a "rebate" or a discount off their next batch order of Blu-Ray discs or DVDs. There could be any number of reasons why then and not now.

BTW, you paid real money for a UMD?


RE: Probably be scrapped
By AlphaVirus on 3/28/2008 2:20:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't get why they'd rather pay to ship them back

There is probably a clause in the manufactures contract thats states

"If we discontinue manufacture of HDDVD's, we will supply a RGM (returned good materials)"
Which basically means they cover shipping costs. Its a really simple procedure that certain contracts hold.

But of course this all depends on the manufacturer.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By eye smite on 3/28/2008 8:20:58 AM , Rating: 2
Looking at these numbers and how long HD-DVD was out there, it doesn't appear it was really being addopted by people. I'm betting blu ray will be the same way, slow slow adoption. A standard dvd has excellent video quality over vhs and it dirt cheap. For blu ray, you need a new player and a tv that will display the disc so as to take advantage of that HD, and most people are happy with what they have and don't want to fork out the money on new equipment. I love my $39 dvd player that plays divx discs. Hehe, why would I upgrade.......


RE: Probably be scrapped
By therealnickdanger on 3/28/2008 9:13:25 AM , Rating: 2
You have to remember that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray were fighting eachother, so the competition confused a lot of people. The masses CAN see the difference, but they weren't willing to spend $$$ on something that might be obsolete within a year.

There's a few conditions that are going to help overall adoption to high-def from this point forward:

1080p is finally... "final". Most manufacturers have switched to producing only 1080p panels, be it LCD, PDP, LCoS, DLP. HDMI 1.3, like 1080p, is finally standard on most new devices.

Blu-Ray won. With only one high-def format to buy, early adopters are no longer split and there are no more mixed messages. We are already seeing accellerated adoption of BD.
http://www.dailytech.com/Bluray+Disc+Hits+Nine+Mil...

Blu-Ray players and movies will continue coming down in price.

DVD is great, but its sales started to drop in 2007 and will likely continue, especially as BD ramps up.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By therealnickdanger on 3/28/2008 9:25:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1080p is finally... "final". Most manufacturers have switched to producing only 1080p panels, be it LCD, PDP, LCoS, DLP. HDMI 1.3, like 1080p, is finally standard on most new devices.

EDIT:

1080p is finally... "final". Most manufacturers have switched to producing 1080p panels, be it LCD, PDP, LCoS, DLP. HDMI 1.3, like 1080p, is finally standard on most new devices.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By mtoday7 on 3/28/2008 9:49:54 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing is ever "final" with technology. Eventually, a new ("better") format will come out.

1080P is not the end all resolution, since many people believe the next big thing is 4K.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By therealnickdanger on 3/28/2008 10:02:50 AM , Rating: 2
That's why I typed "final" in quotes. 1080p is the final, mature ATSC/HDTV standard - not the FINAL be all, end all technology. I shouldn't even have to explain this.

4K and UHDTV are no where near ready for prime-time, not for adoption and certainly not with price. 1080p will be around for a long time (10 years at least). Talk to 99% of shoppers at Wal-Mart and Best Buy and ask them what they think of 4K, they won't know what you're talking about. I was going to say 100%, but there's always a chance that someone from DT will be there. :P


RE: Probably be scrapped
By Oroka on 3/28/2008 10:38:04 AM , Rating: 2
And what is at the top of the electronic wish list the last few years... esp last year? LCD HD Televisions. I wanted a PS3 but didn't bother cause I didn't have a HDTV. When I finally got my 52" HDTV, the next week I went and got a PS3.

Right now, IMO, it is not HD that is the big thing, but BIG TVs, but people get HD with that. DVDs took years to overtake VHS, 5-6 years IIRC (I used video store shelf space as my gauge). Give BR-DVD some time, it will catch on.


RE: Probably be scrapped
By BMFPitt on 3/28/2008 12:22:13 PM , Rating: 3
The fact that we're in a recession probably isn't helping the adoption rate much, either.


50% off HD-DVD discs is still to high!
By theapparition on 3/28/2008 8:07:59 AM , Rating: 3
Especially now!

From the beginning, I've been very critical of HD-DVD prices. One of the strong selling points of HD-DVD was that it could be made on existing disc lines with virtually no infrastructure upgrades. Then why where they priced 2X DVD cost?
I know the answer is: "but they bring more value, they're HD". Not good enough. If your strongest selling point is that the price of the discs should be the same as DVD's, than that's what they should have priced them at. Failure in this respect, was (IMHO) the single biggest reason the format failed.

Oh well. My 3 HD-DVD players will live on next to my BR counterparts, as they work great at upconverting (XA2 is awesome). I think I have more BR discs than HD now, so time to move on. At least I'm getting a $50 card from Best Buy.




RE: 50% off HD-DVD discs is still to high!
By Staples on 3/28/2008 9:39:18 AM , Rating: 2
This is something that the fanboys always argued. I could have told you that these savings would not be passed on the the consumer. This is the way it is with just about everything.


RE: 50% off HD-DVD discs is still to high!
By TheDoc9 on 3/28/2008 11:13:31 AM , Rating: 2
The other thing is that its just a transitional format compared to BD. 30GB discs, lower bandwidth during movies and more fragile discs in comparison to 50 GB of space, higher bandwidth and the hard anti-scratch coating on BD's.

In any case they would have NEVER priced them much lower than BD discs because that's the closest competitor. A rule in American business, and now most business around the world is that you price at the absolute highest the market will tolerate. That's why a pack of organic meat at whole foods costs 3x more than regular at your average shop. If they don't sell it all it doesn't matter, all they have to do is sell one or two packs and the entire box pays for itself. Priced lower they have to sell more for the box to pay for itself. It's logical, but as we see with HD-DVD it's not smart.


By theapparition on 3/28/2008 12:45:12 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The other thing is that its just a transitional format compared to BD. 30GB discs, lower bandwidth during movies and more fragile discs in comparison to 50 GB of space, higher bandwidth and the hard anti-scratch coating on BD's.

Yet for all Blr-rays technical specs, also came rushed to market incompatibliites, incomplete feature spec, more intrusive DRM and almost no movies mastered to date had noticeable quality improvements. The scratch coating was not near as big an issue on HD-DVD's, so it was never included.

Again, I know that's why they priced it such, but in the long run, we can see that it wasn't wise.


Oh well
By FluxCap on 3/28/2008 8:50:39 AM , Rating: 2
This is a bad move, end up destroying most of these when they could have had a fire sale. I would gladly pay $5 to $7 for most titles. Another reason to avoid Best Buy.




RE: Oh well
By Hiawa23 on 3/28/2008 9:14:52 AM , Rating: 2
this does suck. I was waiting for BB & CC to discount the movies, but I understand why they are doing this. It probably would have costed them more money to discount the movies & take the loss than to just send them back for refund. Either way, life will go on. I have a PS3 so I am covered, but honestly, I am fine with standard DVDs, & the only reason I even bought a HDTV was for my Xbox 360 & PS3 gaming. Standard def movies & cable TV is good enough for my eyes, & with the economy the way it is that will have to be good enough for years to come.


RE: Oh well
By mlambert890 on 3/28/2008 4:42:59 PM , Rating: 2
You can avoid whatever you want to avoid, but at least be logical. You'd gladly pay "$5 to $7" but the discs COST more than that wholesale and the distributors offered to take them back. So why would any store choose to take a loss when they can just send the crap back?


Blue Ray may not last too long either...
By retrospooty on 3/28/2008 9:33:11 AM , Rating: 1
There is a real compelling argument for flash media... Basically before Blue Ray is widely adopted, flash media will offer more storage, and faster and cheaper. Would you rather get a movie on a 5 1/4 inch disk, or a tinly lil flash card that you can fit a dozen or so in your pocket...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20...




RE: Blue Ray may not last too long either...
By rdeegvainl on 3/28/2008 10:40:20 AM , Rating: 3
And then subsequently lose them all through the hole in said pocket.


By retrospooty on 3/28/2008 3:00:25 PM , Rating: 1
The only hole I ever had in my pocket was made on purpose... oops, I said too much ;)


RIP HD DVD
By AlexWade on 3/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: RIP HD DVD
By stargazr on 3/28/2008 11:08:23 AM , Rating: 1
FANBOY. LOL


RE: RIP HD DVD
By AlexWade on 3/28/2008 9:53:36 PM , Rating: 1
Which part of my statement was untrue?

So, DENIER! LOL. PRO-MPAA FANBOY! LOL!


RE: RIP HD DVD
By Belard on 3/29/2008 5:39:29 PM , Rating: 2
Quite a bit of it. HD-DVD was in trouble by simple by statistics and marketing forces and such.

First: Blu-Ray sounds so much cooler than HD-DVD. Theres just way too many "D"s in that name, it rolls off the tongue badly. Quite a large number of people bought HD-DVD discs, thinking that would work on their DVD players.

DRM: False - both formats had DRM, Blu added more later because the first type (used on both blu and red) were very weak - but the whole thing is silly since nothing is 100% crack proof. DRM is required by the studios.

COSTS: In reality, the difference in price has been about $100~200 for the mid-range players... hell, even for the bottom end 1080i Toshiba vs 1080p SONY. Even in Jan08 - The SONY player was $50~90 more expensive than Toshiba.

Toshiba artifically lowered the price of their players to combat Blu. But it didn't change anything. I and others were not buying them. Far More people now are buying blu-ray players at $400 than the Black Sunday sale of $100 or whatever. You can run a business selling products at a loss. Toshiba was bleeding money in a war they were losing.

Profiles/updates: Sure Toshiba had the ethernet port as standard - but more people have PCs with networking that can download the FIRMWARE updates, burn them to a CDR/DVDR disc and update their players - both Toshiba and Blu. So what about profiles? Technology changes all the time! Care to TRY to play a DVD-RW+ disc in a DVD player made 5 years ago? It won't work. Or a DiVX disc in a player made 2 years ago. Or a CD-R disc 8 years ago... they didn't work... and there were no firmware updates. All new players are 1.1 Profiles, some players are upgradable to 1.1. And 2.0 is just internet ability - which I could care less about... Perhaps in another year or so, 2.0 (LIVE) will be standard. The ONLY difference between 1.1 and 2.0 is Internet content - oh WOW!

Blu always had the upper hand: SONY themselves with their own movie studios (Which is WHY SONY shouldn't own a studio IMHO) and Disney Studios. FOX quickly went ONLY Blu, but they are small compared to WB, Universal and Paramount. Blu has about twice the capacity over RED - no way to fix that.

Yes, the best doesn't always win - it sucks. Look at the Amiga computer (Use wikipedia) - that computer from the 80s til 1994 was the MOST powerful PC you can get in the WORLD for home and business - but it wasn't Microsoft DOS. Even Windows 3.0 (pre 95) from 1993 was pure crap compared to AmigaDOS... A 4mb PC with a 25mhz CPU couldn't touch a 7mhz Amiga with 1mb... yet Windows wins. Even WindowsXP is STILL somewhat LOW-TECH compared to my still functional 1990 Amiga 3000 (50mb HD / 5mb RAM)... but thats not for here. HD-DVD was only manufactured by Toshiba, while Blu had several other companies to choose from... With HD-DVD out of the way, the real competition starts between the brand names... more sales = less price, eventually. HD-DVD was not perfect... it was slow, it did someo things not very well. The entire HD-Media market is STILL a baby on the scope of things... the mastering process is still bring perfected.

Yes, RIP HD-DVD - but someone had to die. And Blu always had the upper hand... sorry.


Is Toshiba buying back HDDVD media and players?
By Staples on 3/28/2008 9:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
First all the big retailers offer either store credit or a refund for HDDVD players that cost several hundred dollars and now this. What are the stores doing with the old hardware? I think it is logical to say that Toshiba or someone is buying them back because there is no way that anyone would refund or pull items off shelves without first trying to sell them at a discounted price.




By crystal clear on 3/29/2008 10:18:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think it is logical to say that Toshiba or someone is buying them back


Toshiba has absorbed a huge loss over the HDDVD format wars.

They will not take on more losses/expenses buying back all HDDVD players & contents left over in the market place.

This also applies to those trade in deals offered to HDDVD owners,offering credits to buy a B.R. player instead.

Retailers who declared themselves B.R. exclusive had a deal with Sony.

"Whereby Sony picks up the expenses incurred for going B.R. exclusive."

That would mean buying back all the HDDVD hardware & left over in the market.

This at the same time Sony & Toshiba had a secret deal in the making of trade off between them,in return for Toshiba agreeing to discontinue its HDDVD format.

Studios declaring themselves B.R. exclusive also had similar deals to compensate themselves.

Its not becuase which format is better or which format won in those format wars.

These were business deals worked out secretly......

between SONY+TOSHIBA+MOVIE STUDIOS+RETAILERS wherby each would be compensated for trade offs agreed upon.

Thus leaving the buyers/users the only option but to switch to B.R.

All this at the expense of the buyers who will pay those high prices for hardware & contents.

Dont believe all that Public Relations stuff about one format or consumer confusions of whch format to choose or which format is better or the prices will eventually fall as production & sales increase over a period of time,or whatever excuse they come up with etc.

Its a monopoly created/worked out between the following.

"SONY+TOSHIBA+MOVIE STUDIOS+RETAILERS"

This will eventually come under scrutiny in the future,all those concerned are taking preventive measures just for that eventuality.

I think it is logical to say that SONY is buying them back.

so I would rephrase your quote to say this.

I think it is logical to say that we the consumers are the scrapegoats.


Best Buy couild end up in bankcrupsy...
By crystal clear on 3/29/2008 4:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
Given the serious economic crisis which is hitting the consumers/buyers very hard in their pockets.

Steady ever increasing "Loss of Jobs",drastic fall in conumer spending,credit crisis,higher cost of living,high fuel prices, & MORE bad economic news on the way.

The retailer are themselves shedding jobs by the thousands every month due the above reasons.
Sales are expected fall drastically this year & B.R. sales will be the worst hit.

Now comes even more bad news for BEST BUY....

Was Best Buy To Blame For Vista Capable?

Scanning the headlines after U.S. Judge Marsha Pechman unsealed internal Microsoft e-mails in the Vista Capable class-action suit would lead you to believe that Intel was the main force behind the botched marketing campaign. "Intel pressured Microsoft" is the main thrust of much of the reporting on the eye-opening Vista Capable e-mail exchanges between Microsoft executives, including CEO Steve Ballmer.

But if we learn anything from slogging through the 158 pages of electronic discovery, it's that Best Buy, not Intel, was apparently a prime driver of Microsoft's decision to stamp many more computers with the Vista brand than it had originally planned.





http://crn.com/it-channel/207000302?queryText=best...

If in the end Best Buy is proven guilty then they can be fined very heavily which would drive them straight into bankcruptsy.

Plus more compensation claims from Best Buy buyers will be the end.

Best Buy will become the best buy for investors/buyers in the future.

Best Buy...or the ...Worst Buy ?




By crystal clear on 3/29/2008 11:14:47 AM , Rating: 2
Something interesting-

Best Buy Calls Cops On You For Telling Fellow Customer Jawbone Headset Is Overpriced, Sucks

Best Buy called the cops on Alex because he told another shopper that the Jawbone headset he was considering was poor quality and marked up $30 from the manufacturer's price. Alex went to Best Buy to purchase a new Bluetooth headset because the Jawbone he recently purchased from Verizon wasn't cutting it. While browsing the headsets, he struck up a conversation with another customer who was checking out the Jawbone. Alex told his fellow customer that he had been disappointed in the quality of the Jawbone, and that Best Buy was charging $30 more than the manufacturer or Verizon. A sales associate overheard this and told the manager, who asked Alex to leave the store, then threatened to call the police, then did.


http://consumerist.com/372959/best-buy-calls-cops-...


Whoopie Do
By Elementalism on 3/31/2008 2:59:28 AM , Rating: 2
Havent bought a DVD or HD-DVD from that place yet. Amazon's sales are way better anyways.




RE: Whoopie Do
By spritle on 3/31/2008 5:13:23 PM , Rating: 2
Good thing Mosaic is involved. That pulling 'em and mailing 'em stuff is way too complicated for BB staff


Booo!
By therealnickdanger on 3/28/2008 8:00:38 AM , Rating: 2
Most stuff on Amazon right now is approaching 60% off, I was one of the folks hoping for a fire sale at Best Buy, but oh well...

If you haven't "gone purple yet", I would highly recommend it. I got rid of my Samsung UP5000s and snagged LG BH200 s instead - SO MUCH BETTER! After the firmware upgrade, it truly is the ultimate hybrid player. I was pleasantly surprised. Everything from the decoding abilities, operating noise, and menu interface is superior to the Sammy. Samsung boasts the HQV REON scaler, but I actually like the LG's QDEO scaler more. I'll go out on a limb and say it appears more natural, plus you can manually tweak all the settings.




By Shadowmaster625 on 4/1/2008 10:37:39 AM , Rating: 2
They trash a superior product in favor of a more expensive product that offers nothing to justify the price premium, except that it is media-cartel approved. The american consumer, especially the average playstation 3 owner, is a dumbed down piece of trash, whose pure stupidity is slowly but surely flushing this entire country down the toilet. Get smart, or find out what it feels like to live in a great depression.




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