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Best Buy believes the iPad killed its laptop sales this year, dropping them 50 percent.  (Source: Gizmodo)

The company announced plans to begin selling the popular tablet at all of its stores by the end of the month.  (Source: AP Photo)
So much for the notion that the iPad isn't cannabilizing traditional sales

Best Buy Chief Executive Brian Dunn had good news to report on Tuesday.  The U.S.'s largest electronics retailer had just seen a 61 percent year-to-year jump in profit.  However, the news wasn't quite so good for certain segments of the market and the gains only came thanks to big adjustments on Best Buy's part.

The Richfield, Minnesota retailer's CEO reports that Apple's red hot tablet computer, the iPad, is estimated to have cut laptop sales by 50 percent.  Best Buy is responding to the tablet demand by expanding its sales of the iPad.  The iPad is currently sold at some of Best Buy's retail locations, but the company plans to expand the distribution to all 1,093 of its U.S. stores by Sept. 26.

The company is also going to start selling Amazon.com's new 3G-ready Kindle this holiday season.  The Kindle device currently is available direct from Amazon.com and Best Buy retails a few accessories for it.

Stephen Baker, the chief electronics analyst for market researcher NPD Group Inc shares his views on the changing market, remarking, "It's a very different environment now.  The real cool stuff now will be the tablets, e-readers and probably the higher-end digital cameras."

The shift to mobile devices hasn't just impacted laptop sales.  The shifting consumer interest towards smart phones and tablets appears to also be impacting TV sales.  Despite new developments like 3D TV, consumer interest in purchasing TVs appears to be waning.  

Television sales drew "low-double digit" declines compared with last year, despite a modest recovery of the U.S. economy.  The consumer market appears increasingly apathetic to television in the face of increasingly attractive mobile devices.  In the years leading up to the recession, sales dropped by 20 to 25 percent a year.

Some other companies are looking to strike the mobile electronics market while the iron is still hot.  The office goods retailer Staples announced plans this week to start selling the Amazon Kindle during the fall season.  Staples Chief Executive Ronald Sargent comments, "I don't want to be a consumer electronics company and start selling big-screen TVs, but we are looking broadly.  Most of our customers are small business owners and the Kindle is something they can enjoy while traveling."

Amid this shifting landscape you have to give Apple credit for its role in shifting the electronics landscape.  After all, while a market shift towards small portable computers was long prophesied, it was Apple's iPhone and the Apple's iPad that transformed the smartphone and tablet markets from relatively dull corporate fare (e.g. BlackBerries and pre-iPad tablets) into top consumer electronics products.  

On the other hand, Apple is now finding its enviable position in the U.S. smartphone market under attack.  Despite continuing to post large iPhone-driven profits, Apple has been losing ground to Google's Android, and according to some reports has already been passed in the U.S.  Now the real question is whether Apple learned from this lesson and defend challenges to its tablet market share by fresh players.



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By amanojaku on 9/17/2010 10:49:18 AM , Rating: 4
People who bought the iPad, and devices like it, weren't doing any real work on their laptops in the first place. Try doing Visio or coding on a touch screen.




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By quiksilvr on 9/17/2010 10:51:43 AM , Rating: 2
Hell, even doing Office on this thing would be a pain without a keyboard and mouse.


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By Motoman on 9/17/2010 11:18:29 AM , Rating: 5
Doing much of anything at all on a tablet is laughable. Read a book or watch a video - about it.

This does however tie in nicely with the notion that the vast majority of computer owners in this world actually do very little with them - far and away, the vast majority of computer users don't do anything besides email and web surfing.


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By quiksilvr on 9/17/2010 11:30:51 AM , Rating: 2
This is what I hate/love about Apple.

They come out with a product that isn't necessarily good, but it's the first of its kind in some fashion, thereby getting a substantial lead in the market.

Other companies sit aside, watch what they do, and then flood the market with products but only AFTER Apple brings it out.

But what is infuriating is that we have to wait. Why don't any companies grow a pair and say "You know what? Here's what you guys wanted and we aren't waiting for the competition."


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By rudy on 9/17/2010 11:43:13 AM , Rating: 5
Other companies have had the products out you just do not know about them. Alot of ignorant people think apple invented the MP3 Player with the iPod those people apparently had never seen rio or archos MP3 players sitting on store shelves for years previously.

Tablets have existed for a decade. The iPad is essentially the same as an ebook reader does not do much more and they have existed for a long time. Companies produced tablets before the iPad released yet no one talks about these items. The fact is apple only has a unique ability to market better than others and force their products into the spotlight. The main reason I believe this happens is because alot of advertising and CG professionals who are involved in the marketing and media industry are mac fans so they push macs into the spotlight and ignore other companies.

MP3 players prior to the iPod just did not have the money to advertise like crazy as apple did. Apple takes a product that already exist makes it do less then advertises the crap out of it. Making sure only to mention the good and not all the bad. Uneducated consumers buy it.

The fact is other companies may just sit on the sidelines because they know even if they do make it first they do not have the in in the marketing world and news to make it a hit. Ever notice that apple has less than 10% of the worlds share of computers yet they seem to have a much higher share if you see commercials. Nearly every commercial is made by a person with a mac and they will force you to put a piece of tape over the logo of your laptop if it is not an apple.


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By Motoman on 9/17/2010 12:00:23 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Apple rarely does anything that's all that "new." The stuff had been around, but consumers weren't all that interested based on the utility and functionality of said new products on their own.

When Apple makes one, though, you get the whole Apple Consumerism as Self-Image thing happening - and people buy whatever the hell the new Apple thing is because of their burning desire to express their individuality by doing the same thing everyone else is doing, and to be cool, and to prove that they are technically proficient...because all it takes to become technically proficient is to pay a ridiculous amount of money for a shiny Apple bauble.

Then, it seems, the rest of the market realizes "hey, you know, this tablet/.mp3/whatever thing is actually kind of useful - I think I'll buy one." And then you have a market. And hence, the behavior you described of other companies releasing (or really, re-releasing) similar products after the Apple fan base has demonstrated a willingness to create a new market for them.


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By quiksilvr on 9/17/2010 12:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
So I guess the lesson is this. We need Apple to create the market for a product and then other companies will come out that will stamp their product out of focus.


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By Motoman on 9/17/2010 12:59:52 PM , Rating: 3
The lesson is that the unwashed masses are actually not all that technically proficient, and they don't understand what new products are for, or maybe they do and just don't want one.

The Apple religion though hasn't got anything to do with technology. The unwashed masses blindly tithe, with glee, to the church of Apple for a plethora of emotional & social reasons...and no technical ones.

Apple creates markets for products where others don't because of emotional and social engineering. Technical engineering be damned.


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By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: -1
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By Alexstarfire on 9/17/2010 2:59:42 PM , Rating: 2
Nice screen = more money for something that's basically only useful for those not actually using the laptop. Don't need a super screen when you're not doing professional video/picture editing. Might be useful playing games, but certainly isn't necessary. Useful when watching videos on a plane though, especially with the battery life. Most people aren't on planes all that often though. That said, battery life largely comes from the OS, though I don't know why. Would be nice to figure that one out.

You can keep your multitouch as well. I'm not interested, though you might be.


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By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: -1
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By Cheesew1z69 on 9/17/10, Rating: -1
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By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: -1
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By Alexstarfire on 9/19/2010 7:02:14 AM , Rating: 2
@Pirks, what I meant by that (which even took me a little while to remember what I meant) is that the viewing angle is only useful to those just watching the laptop. Like having a couple friends sitting by you watching what you are doing. To the person who is actually on the laptop the viewing angle is almost always going to be dead on in which a smaller viewing angle won't matter. So as I said, would be useful when used to watch movies, but not much more, when it comes to using the screen on a laptop anyway.

I don't know why I bother trying to type intellectual posts for someone who has the reading comprehension skills, and logic come to think of it, of a baby. I never even mentioned CPU in that post.


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By Pirks on 9/19/10, Rating: -1
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By Alexstarfire on 9/19/2010 7:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
I have, and to be honest the viewing angle wouldn't solve the problem. You get tons of glare outside unless it's overcast and there isn't really jack you can do about it if your screen is even slightly reflective. Hell, it's why I leave my lights off in my room when I use the computer. There really isn't any glare when things are on the screen, but I like the dark. :)


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By Pirks on 9/20/10, Rating: 0
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By Alexstarfire on 9/20/2010 11:36:37 AM , Rating: 2
Taking things out of context again. Very you Pirks.


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By Pirks on 9/20/2010 10:14:11 PM , Rating: 2
pretending that crappy screen is the same as the high quality one, very you Alex


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By Reclaimer77 on 9/20/2010 9:21:07 AM , Rating: 2
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The Apple religion though hasn't got anything to do with technology. The unwashed masses blindly tithe, with glee, to the church of Apple for a plethora of emotional & social reasons...and no technical ones.


Yup. I'll never forget the time this friend of mine was whining to me that she couldn't afford her kid clothes for the new school year and how her ex-husband was a deadbeat for being late with child support or some crap...

...and a week later bragged to everyone about her new 3G iPhone...

sigh...


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By kmmatney on 9/17/2010 2:02:13 PM , Rating: 3
Bottom line - If it's a bad product (Apple TV, Newton, etc..), it won't sell. Sure, tablets have been around a long time - we had a tablet PC at work back in 2005, running windows XP. It was a laptop, where the screen could pivot around and then it became a tablet. It just wasn't a very good product. It was slow, and the touchscreen wasn't used to good effect. It ran regular windows programs, and only had a few apps that were specific to the touchscreen. Since it just was a laptop, battery like sucked, and it took forever to boot up.

The iPad was designed straight from the iPhone/iPod Touch, and supports touch from the ground up, complete with a healthy marketplace of free and paid apps. A big difference there - this tablet is actually useful and entertaining (albeit its still a luxury item - no one "needs" one of these).


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By The Imir of Groofunkistan on 9/17/2010 2:33:20 PM , Rating: 2
therefore, windows xp is a great product ...


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By Cheesew1z69 on 9/17/2010 4:52:46 PM , Rating: 5
Windows 7 is.


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By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: -1
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By themaster08 on 9/17/2010 6:30:32 PM , Rating: 2
Yet you continue to use their products. Such a good little monkey :)


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By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: -1
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By themaster08 on 9/18/2010 1:31:41 AM , Rating: 2
Any excuse.


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By FaceMaster on 9/18/2010 4:25:37 AM , Rating: 2
You hate Apple, you hate Microsoft... is there anything you DON'T hate?

By the way, there's always Linux if you'd like to use something else.


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By Pirks on 9/18/10, Rating: -1
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By damianrobertjones on 9/18/2010 7:06:53 AM , Rating: 1
Maybe, just maybe, you're not supposed to do what you suggest above. I'm sure that you're aware of Draft N wireless or even Gb network cards? I've never, not once, known anyone to connect wireless and a Nic together at once.

Heck, bridge to nic cards together if you want more bandwidth.


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By Pirks on 9/18/10, Rating: -1
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By themaster08 on 9/19/2010 5:26:51 AM , Rating: 2
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won't work for my scenario
If I understand your problem correctly, I presume you have manually IP'd each NIC in Windows, and given priority to wired, your scenario should work without a hitch.

According to Microsoft, Windows will always choose the wired connection over wireless.

It's never been a problem for me. A few years ago I hooked one of my old XP machines up via wireless to later connect it to a wired one, whilst still connected to the wireless, and it worked without an issue.

I would go as far as to say that your issue is more of a PEBAC.


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By Pirks on 9/19/10, Rating: -1
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By themaster08 on 9/19/2010 9:45:38 AM , Rating: 2
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either it was working in XP and got broken in 7 or you connected via a router, not directly via ethernet cable between machines (no router in between)
It worked perfectly in Windows XP, I can assure you that. Granted I've not tried it in Windows 7.
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PEBKAC lamer :P
Typo fail! ;)


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By Pirks on 9/19/10, Rating: -1
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By clovell on 9/23/2010 11:45:02 AM , Rating: 1
Pirks - good luck trying to connect two computers with a standard ethernet cable.


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By Pirks on 9/23/2010 9:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
thanks man!

I'm watching a video over such a gigabit ethernet right now, cablle running straight between two PCs

surprise surprise! maybe time for you to learn about that magic thing called "networking" huh? :PPP


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By The Imir of Groofunkistan on 9/20/2010 9:45:18 AM , Rating: 2
agreed :)


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By dubldwn on 9/17/2010 3:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with this. You really need an OS (and access to software) that was created with the touchscreen in mind. There are several iPad competitors coming out, and it's no coincidence that almost all of them are running Android.


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By damianrobertjones on 9/18/2010 7:08:21 AM , Rating: 2
Running windows 7 on a tablet, increase the dpi to 125% for a VERY finger friendly experience. I recently used a Latitude XT and XT2 with the WIn7 keyboard and multi-touch = Really easy typing.


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By themaster08 on 9/17/2010 4:12:44 PM , Rating: 3
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Bottom line - If it's a bad product (Apple TV, Newton, etc..), it won't sell.
The reason those Apple products failed is because they didn't have an "i" at the beginning of their name :)


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By headbox on 9/17/10, Rating: -1
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By Alexstarfire on 9/17/2010 3:13:26 PM , Rating: 2
Very good gaming system. That's hilarious to even imagine. It can have some interesting games, but nothing like you'd have on a DS, PSP, or laptop.

Kind of ironic since it's a jack-of-all-trades and master at none type of situation since lots of people seem to abhor that. Good for quick, easy situations, but not much more. I suppose many people have tasks that fall into that category, but a laptop is just as well suited IMO, and much more so unless you absolutely have to hold it for some reason, like in the drawing situation. Very useful for that.


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By snakeInTheGrass on 9/19/2010 1:10:33 AM , Rating: 2
Your points here and above are totally valid - I had an Archos way back, and DAMN was the iPod better when they finally had one with a large enough capacity to get me to buy a replacement. OMFG. No, seriously, it was that much better - and the iPod touch pretty well did that leap again and suddenly turned it into something I could check maps/email/web sites with and play better games. They totally made devices that work better and are easier to manage. Unfortunately, not knowing/caring how many MHz the CPU is somehow means that the users don't understand tech for all the people complaining about Apple. OK, I understand the tech, and guess what - I don't care what the CPU on the Archos was - Apple had a better device with a better user experience. Oh no! But they weren't first to market! To your point, they were first to market with a player that didn't suck (and actually is nice to use) - and for most people that makes more of a difference than whether they put out the first crappy player or whether they have a 5% faster CPU.

Same on the iPad - way more flexible than an ebook reader, and YES, it validates that laptops are overkill for a lot of users. Is that bad somehow? Why in the world should people get systems that don't do what they need? Do people have any idea how much more powerful the iPad is than 'power' systems not too many years back? You think you can't possibly get a school report done if you toss on a bluetooth keyboard? The larger touch screen is much nicer to use for casual stuff than sitting with a laptop, and it makes for a great input for certain types of games. For other games, a joystick might be better, sure, but the touch screen+ accelerometer is fantastic for plenty of stuff, and it's a hell of a lot more useful system for checking mail / surfing / non-full-office productivity than the DS or PSP.

I guess what Apple has really done is dupe me into thinking that watching a movie or editing a diagram is easier on an airplane / at a kids sports practice / sitting on a sofa instead of at a desk because the form factor is better for it. Strangely I find reading books good enough to not want paper copies for the most part and I can easily read them waiting in a car / sitting in bed. Duped again, right?, because I can check email on the same device if something comes in and I feel like it. And again, so how does this mean consumers are just simpletons who are cult followers? How about if other friggin' companies tried to make devices that were 1/2 as usable? No, on second thought, most companies already do that, maybe they should try to actually compete as well and make something at least as good that isn't coming out 1-2 years later. :/ (And FWIW, outdoors e-ink certainly has a place, iPad isn't perfect either...)

I have my 360 in the living room for other types of games, a laptop if I need to code on the road, plus a 12-core setup with 30" monitor for development at my desk - but I damned well don't use it to check mail around the house, read books, and I play more games on my iPad. And most people don't code / Photoshop / etc., so maybe a tablet is a better fit. That (apparently strangely?) doesn't make me feel like they're somehow being tricked by Apple into not buying a development machine like mine or like the answer is a netbook + PSP.

Anyways, it's just aggravating seeing blind criticism from people that ignores any reason someone might just actually have for preferring what isn't their own favorite product. If I don't see the attraction of a PSP, I don't immediately say that Sony is targeting less savvy users who just don't understand anything, but I guess thanks to Apples success, people want to rip it like it's a pure marketing or style thing, which really just isn't the case.


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By Alexstarfire on 9/19/2010 7:31:06 AM , Rating: 2
I think the biggest qualm about the iPad is that it already does/can do what a smartphone does. Not as good for reading email and watching videos mind you, but is it worth $500 just for that? An iPad, or any tablet for that matter, has overlap with a lot of other devices. If you don't have all the other devices then a tablet can certainly fill the gap that might possibly be left.


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By themaster08 on 9/19/2010 7:59:46 AM , Rating: 2
The iPad is there to complement existing devices.

Want to display a full HTML email filled with images? Sure you can use your phone, but that makes for a pretty painful experience having to zoom in/out and scrolling in every which way. You can also use your laptop, but you'll have to go through the process of turning it on etc.

With the iPad, you can instantly view that email with no waiting time or painful viewing.

It's just little conveniences like the one mentioned that make the iPad an attractive device.

When the iPad was first released I was the same as most people here. But I have actually had a long, hard thought about how the device would be useful in everyday life, and I've come to the conclusion that it's really not such a bad device after all. The only Apple devices that have really interested me are the iPod Touch and the iPad.

People on DT need to start thinking more logically. Brand loyalty is stupid. Brand disloyalty and purposely avoiding products of a particular brand is just as stupid. It just makes you just as much of a sheep as those that blindly follow. If the device suit your needs/make your life easier and is within your price point, who cares who manufactures it?

My only issue with the iPad is its price. If it was £100 cheaper I would consider purchasing one. For £429, I demand a little more than just a complementary device.


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By Pirks on 9/19/10, Rating: -1
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By themaster08 on 9/19/2010 9:47:36 AM , Rating: 1
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you asketh http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=19653... and you answereth yaself!
Because you didn't answer the question handed to you ;)

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yeah, waking my UL80 from sleep is soooo looong, like WHOLE TWO FUCKING SECONDS, END OF DA WORLLDD!!! LOLOL :)) hehe
Turn on != wake


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By Pirks on 9/19/2010 3:47:58 PM , Rating: 2
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you didn't answer the question
sometimes a counter question is the answer, I don't like straight blunt answers, I'd rather prefer to tease opponent's mind a little
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Turn on != wake
I know, but noone turns their laptop off 20 times a day, every time they close the lid, unless they are clinically dumb mototroll style :))) people usually put their laptops to sleep, did you know that?

so your point about ipad waking somehow faster than sleeping laptop is a pure fake, mototroll will take a few points from ya for saying this :)))


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By themaster08 on 9/19/2010 6:18:39 PM , Rating: 2
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I know, but noone turns their laptop off 20 times a day, every time they close the lid, unless they are clinically dumb mototroll style :))) people usually put their laptops to sleep, did you know that?
I'm going to throw in an example here....

You're having breakfast and you'd like to check your email before going to work. Your laptop will more than likely be turned off.

The point is, sometimes the laptop wouldn't need to be turned on at all.

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so your point about ipad waking somehow faster than sleeping laptop is a pure fake, mototroll will take a few points from ya for saying this :)))
Except it wasn't me that said it woke faster than a sleeping laptop. I said a laptop that was off.


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By Alexstarfire on 9/19/2010 8:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
I think the real question is who turns off their laptop? I don't. There isn't a real need to. In sleep mode it can last for days on a full charge, probably even more than a week. Comparing effective uses is a better comparison. No one ever really turns off there phone so that'd be even faster than my laptop waking up.

Would vary from person to person I guess.


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By Pirks on 9/19/2010 9:24:51 PM , Rating: 1
master has the point, about when the laptop goes into hibernation, in this case ipad is much faster to wake up than hibernated laptop, so yeah sometimes ipad is indeed faster to wake up than a laptop, for me it's not often enough to waste $500 on a fix but that's me


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By Alexstarfire on 9/20/2010 11:40:15 AM , Rating: 2
I guess that means no one should listen to you either as you are far more delusional most of the time than he is.


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By Pirks on 9/20/2010 10:45:14 PM , Rating: 2
nah, it's just empty words and barking, no proof as usual Alex.

another example of worthless typing and posting on your side

next time you post accusations - try to support them with some facts, okay? makes your trolling less dumb and more entertaining. pleeease!


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By Alexstarfire on 9/17/2010 3:44:20 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly, the reselling part is true despite the fact that build quality is about equal. Though, it really depends on how you treat your own stuff. I keep my stuff until it just isn't worth keeping anymore, usually when it'd cost more to keep it working than getting a new product, like when the Li-Ion batteries die. Though most of the stuff I've tossed has been when it became outdated, going from CDs to flash players, which has been my phone. I'm probably in the minority though. I treat my stuff very well.

I can say that with the build-your-own comps that you can upgrade with some pretty minimal costs. Reselling parts individually nets you more than selling a whole computer. I used to do that when I had money to spare. Never cost me more than $100 to upgrade my computer from year to year. Always depends on what kind of deals you run across though.


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By Pirks on 9/17/2010 4:58:56 PM , Rating: 1
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Never cost me more than $100 to upgrade my computer from year to year
I'll see you updgrading your notebook, smartphone and android tablet, har har har :))) LOLOLOL :)))


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By Alexstarfire on 9/19/2010 7:38:20 AM , Rating: 2
I've had the same equipment for years now. You know the saying: "If it ain't broke don't fix it." Only just got a smartphone though. I don't see myself getting a new one for years, especially with my track record of using a phone until it's unusable. That's 3 phones in the 10+ years I've had cell phones, not sure how old I was when I got my first phone.


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By Pirks on 9/19/2010 9:49:54 AM , Rating: 2
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I've had the same equipment for years now
I'll see you upgrading your smartphone and android tablet "with some pretty minimal costs" like "no more than $100 from year to year", hahaaa

Alex sitting with soldering station, microscope and a pair of hot microtweezers upgrading his $100 smartphone GPU for this year LOLOLOL what a picture! hahahahahah :))))


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By Alexstarfire on 9/19/2010 8:07:07 PM , Rating: 3
Do you sit in your mom's basement trying to come up with illogical and irrelevant comments?


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By Pirks on 9/19/2010 10:39:30 PM , Rating: 2
why irrelevant? you said that you upgrade your computers for cheap, so I imagined you upgrading your smartphone's CPU for cheap, LOLOL :)) what's not to like Alex? ;)


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By Alexstarfire on 9/20/2010 11:39:11 AM , Rating: 2
Because you took things out of context again. You do that very well. Are you a lawyer... or lobbyist.... or journalist... hell the list of people you could be that take things out of context for a living is pretty long.


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By Pirks on 9/20/2010 10:18:19 PM , Rating: 2
nah, I just used analogies more complex than your simple mind can digest. forget about it Alex.


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By damianrobertjones on 9/18/2010 7:10:18 AM , Rating: 2
You only get value out of a mac while it can run the latest OS. As soon as Apple release an updated OS that's not available for your kit, it's then worth £0 to everyone.

For instance, all the older Mac mini's not running intel cpu's.

Your impression of worth is guided by apple and they decide.


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By robinthakur on 9/17/2010 1:17:53 PM , Rating: 5
Your comments and those of Motoman seem rather bitter to be honest, with a tinge of a persecution complex that its all a conspiracy of effete designers and ad-men with pony tails. You know, designers appreciate good *design* first and foremost right? Apple devices are usually aesthetically designed sometimes at the cost of functionality, like with the IP4, so perhaps that has more to do with it.

Obviously Apple invented neither the iPod or the tablet, those that think they did are indeed ignorant, but Apple have wildly successful products on their hands, and you have to analyse why, with an open mind. Bad products marketed well do not sell, (or at least do not have sustained sales), that is a fact. Good products that nobody knows about are a similar catastrophe of marketing and usually indicate that the company behind them don't have faith in their own product to really get behind it. In this respect, Apple is generally very ballsy (see them sticking with AppleTV)

Ebook readers were always going to be more successful than traditional Windows Tablets (they could hardly be less successful) but the general public, whether you want to hear it or not, sees a Kindle or Sony reader with a slow refreshing monochrome screen, and next to an iPad it just looks like a joke, and little marketing is involved with that. Also, if you sincerely believe that the iPad does little more than an eBook reader then you're living in wonderland. There are, what, 100,000 apps of varying quality to expand the device's core features as well you know.

If people didn't know about the tablets which existed pre-iPad, maybe its not Apple's fault. Perhaps the blame lies with Microsoft never managing to make them attractive enough in terms of features, battery life, and affordability to sell in volume to the public and for the manufacturers for not believing in them enough to really push them.

When Apple first launched the iPod it was mega expensive, it didn't have a crazy advertising campaign and iTunes didn't exist. The device was a big success despite this and both sales and notoriety snowballed from there. Apple were in a extremely weak position at the time and you can't simply say that they threw money at it to make it a success. Sony, Cowon, Archos, Creative and Diamond presumably spend no money marketing thir players? Back when they had a chhance (in the western markets) of overtaking the ipod, Sony put out fantastic, sexy devices then crippled them with awful, slow, unusable software and DRM. iPod succeeded because it was easy to use, and really on consumer devices why should you need a degree to know how to use them? People who wish to delve deeper and learn more intricacy should have that option, but for people using the device as a tool for its raison d'etre in the mass market that's just silly. Oh, and why would any company ever point out the bad points in a product they are trying to sell btw? Not sure you understand the way PR works...


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By frobizzle on 9/17/2010 4:56:56 PM , Rating: 4
Thus spoke the tool, also known as Pirks!

Anyone dares to cast aspersions on an Apple product must face the tool's wrath!

Go play with your iPad, Pirks and let the adults in the room have a conversation.


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Translation
By frobizzle on 9/17/2010 5:30:40 PM , Rating: 2
Hahahahahahahaha!

What a cretin!!


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Translation
By frobizzle on 9/17/2010 6:14:27 PM , Rating: 2
Was it very painful when you had your lobotomy?


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Translation
By Tony Swash on 9/18/2010 6:50:00 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Obviously Apple invented neither the iPod


quote:
When Apple first launched the iPod it was mega expensive, it didn't have a crazy advertising campaign and iTunes didn't exist.


Lets pull apart (in the spirit of friendly discussion) those two statements because neither are accurate and both reflect a wider failure to understand how Apple products like the iPod can be such huge consumer successes.

First Apple did invent the iPod - they didn't invent the mp3 player. The reason I say Apple invented the iPod is because the iPod from version one did stuff, and did stuff in away, that no other mp3 player then did.

First it was attractive to look at and hold in your hand - most other mp3 players at the time looked like a bit of random and ugly electronic kit that had fallen of another bigger device.

Secondly the iPod had a wonderfully simple user interface. This interface was a combination of hardware and software which is one of the special things that Apple brings to technology. The way the click wheel, which Apple pioneered on mp3 players, interacted with the iPod operating system software was the critical part of this simple and intuitive interface. Most mp3 players up until that point required a manual to be read before even attempting to use them and most people if handed an mp3 would have no idea what button to press or how to work the thing. With the iPod you could hand it to a novice who had never seen one and most of the time with a little playing the way the thing worked could be easily and quickly grasped. iPods just felt right in your hand and interacting with them just felt right in a way that is hard to quantify but easy to experience.

Thirdly the original iPod, which was Mac only, did launch with iTunes and the way it interacted with iTunes was very important. Up until then even if you worked out how to get your ugly mp3 player to work getting music onto it still involved fiddling about with files on your computer. That's something techies feel fine about but which 98% of the population do not. With the iPod and iTunes getting music onto your iPod was so easy that it was for most consumers a no brainer. You pop the CD into your Mac, iTune launches and asks if you want to import, you click yes, it imports. You attach your iPod, and iTune launches and syncs your music passing the newly imported CD to your iPod. Initially the sync was automatic if I remember rightly.

So the unique selling point of the iPod was that it took what had been a technical operation (getting music onto an mp3 player and then getting the mp3 to play your music) and turned it into a non-technical operation. And that's why it sold in the tens of millions.

Personally my main impression of first using an iPod was that all the technology just got out of the way and I just had a direct relationship with my music. That's a critical part of any good design, and the key to Apple's approach, making stuff that just gets out of the way so you can get on with what you actually want to do.

Of course version 1 of the iPod was limited in all sorts of ways but - and this is central to Apple's approach - it was not limited in its core function which was to play music. Apple spent a lot of time and care making sure that the core design component of the iPod, the click wheel and how it operated, was just right. So right that some iPods still use it today (plus of course Apple patented it). Apple's approach is not to shove every feature imaginable onto version one products, instead they concentrate on getting its core functionality just right, then in V2 and V3 they start to add stuff making sure each time the the core functionality is not comprised and each new feature integrates well into the whole.

There is an interesting article on this aspect of Apple design, how they roll, here

http://www.macworld.com/article/151235/2010/05/app...

Everything I have said about the principles that unlay the success of the iPod also applies to the iPad.


RE: Translation
By clovell on 9/23/2010 11:54:54 AM , Rating: 2
I know that's the company mantra - to say that Apple designs products that 'just work', and that's what sets them apart, but - No, that's not quite right.

My Nomad was a very easy device to use - no more difficult than a Walkman. Ease of use was not the magic bullet here. Timing was. Apple got in at the right time, and continued to develop and set the pace for the entire market.


RE: Translation
By damianrobertjones on 9/18/2010 7:11:36 AM , Rating: 2
Repeat after me = "Microsoft does not make laptops or desktops, oems do"


RE: Translation
By DNAgent on 9/19/2010 6:23:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple takes a product that already exist makes it do less then advertises the crap out of it. Making sure only to mention the good and not all the bad. Uneducated consumers buy it.


Many people fail to realize exactly how genius this strategy is. Most of the early products that come to market have too many features or have complicated GUIs necessary to accommodate their extensive features. The tech-savvy educated people who read websites such as DT may want such products, but the vast majority of consumers are those who we would deem "uneducated."

Reducing the number of features in their products to focus on simply the capabilities desired by the seething masses is simply good business practice. Why should Papa Steve cater to a minority of customers (i.e. us techies) when he can instead satisfy the largest body of customers available and make serious bank?

The people buying iPads instead of notebooks are buying a product that does what they want. Nothing more, nothing less.


RE: Translation
By clovell on 9/23/2010 11:41:08 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree on a minor point. It's not all marketing. I'd say more of it has to do with market research and timing - those are the reagents, marketing is just the catalyst.

One of the big reasons mp3 players like the Rio and the Nomad never took off the way the iPod did is that they debut at a time where digital distribution platforms and broadband penetration was very immature. There just wasn't a whole lot of opportunity for the mp3 market to blow up.

Apple timed it right - just like they've done with the iPad, the iPhone, and (to a much smaller degree) AppleTV. This benefits of this kind of timing were multiplied by some of the saaviest marketing in the business.


RE: Translation
By tedrodai on 9/17/2010 2:39:19 PM , Rating: 2
I'd be interrested to know if their conclusions have real merit. I'm not saying that they don't, but it's easy for a company to say (and pretty much required) THIS is why we're failing in this department and THIS is what we're doing to fix it. How true their conclusions are isn't necessarily easy to determine.


RE: Translation
By Gul Westfale on 9/18/2010 7:50:38 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Translation
By nafhan on 9/17/2010 11:34:02 AM , Rating: 2
Also, I've known people who did want to do real work on them who have sold them because it just wasn't working out.
On the plus side, resale value is very high, so they didn't lose more than $20-$30.


RE: Translation
By robinthakur on 9/17/2010 11:35:55 AM , Rating: 3
Erm, I'm not sure Apple have ever stated that the iPad is designed or positioned as a business, work-horse, content- creating tool have they? This does just confirm that most of the laptop and pc buying world really does only use them for emails and browsing the web (excluding the 100,000+ apps you can buy obviously). It also confirms that Apple did its market research properly prior to the device being unveiled to establish that away from tech-blogs there was a demand for it from the general populace. Presumably people are still allowed to buy laptops even if they aren't doing coding, video-encoding or Visio, no?


RE: Translation
By amanojaku on 9/17/2010 12:13:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Erm, I'm not sure Apple have ever stated that the iPad is designed or positioned as a business, work-horse, content- creating tool have they?
I didn't, either. I find it funny that humans have a tendency to reply to arguments that were never brought up. :-)

I was talking about the users, not the devices. I've always found it strange that people buy laptops and other devices they don't need. I don't even own a laptop or a touchscreen phone, and my PC exists because I need to write the occasional resume. Since I have it I put it to use playing games, video and music, but I barely use my PC outside of work.

quote:
This does just confirm that most of the laptop and pc buying world really does only use them for emails and browsing the web (excluding the 100,000+ apps you can buy obviously).
This has been known since the Internet became accessible to the general public. It's not limited to computers, either. Most people don't like to spend their time working in any way, shape or form. That's why takeout is so popular, and why most people have love handles and a big ass. And why entertainers get paid more than the police, medical workers, firemen, etc...
quote:
It also confirms that Apple did its market research properly prior to the device being unveiled to establish that away from tech-blogs there was a demand for it from the general populace.
Actually, it confirms that Apple is a purveyor of appliances despite the fact that it labels itself as a computer company. Well, it did remove the "Computer" part from its name back in 2007, so I guess that's a moot point. Still, that doesn't change the fact that the iPad is really a DVD-less media player with the ability to run some custom software. It's a completely different market than what most of us on this site would want, which is why I would never buy an iPad. My freedom is limited to what Apple allows, when I'm used to being limited by the devices capability. It's kind of like having a REV limiter at 2,000 RPM when your engine can safely go up to 10,000.
quote:
Presumably people are still allowed to buy laptops even if they aren't doing coding, video-encoding or Visio, no?
No, I forbid it. You and do what I tell you to or I smack you in the mouth.


RE: Translation
By mcnabney on 9/17/2010 12:17:34 PM , Rating: 5
The iPad is a 'media consumption device', no more and no less.

I don't have a problem with the device at all. It has a nice screen, good battery life, and is great for consuming content (but not books, that TFT screen will burn your eyes out). It is clearly not for serious work, but in that case neither is a netbook.

The question I have for the iPad buyer is, why do you need it?

You already have a laptop, and a desktop with a big screen, and an HDTV with a BD/DVD player, and an MP3 player, and an in-car media player, and a smartphone. At what point in you life are you so cut-off from content that you need another $500+ gadget that simply duplicates the devices you already own?


RE: Translation
By callmeroy on 9/17/2010 12:56:50 PM , Rating: 2
lol...good point...

The only reason why I'd hold back that thought right now is our economy....

Hey if people want to be ridiculous and buy devices they really don't need....at least NOW is the time for them do such ridiculous buying.....the only way to right a bad economy -- after you tear away all the BS about the blame for it and the politics...it comes down to consumer spending.

If people buy....economy improves...is just that simple.


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 1:36:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you need another $500+ gadget that simply duplicates the devices you already own?
No it doesn't duplicate, the size, the weight, the user interface, the software inside, the battery life, the screen - all of that is very different from your typical PC laptop. So don't lie please about "duplication".


RE: Translation
By bfdd on 9/17/2010 3:17:53 PM , Rating: 1
Don't be an idiot Pirks he's talking about ROLES and functionality. There was so much overlap between devices now, I mean honestly if you own an iPhone and a MBP why would you buy the iPad? You have a nicer screen on the MBP with more functionality and if you want to do any iOS shit you have a version that sits in your pocket and can do everything AND some. There is no void the iPad fills due to the overlap of other devices. Everything the iPad can do people were already doing. If you have an iPad you still need a real computer, if you have an iPad you still need a real phone. It doesn't fit a void, it's rather pointless.


RE: Translation
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/17/2010 4:02:27 PM , Rating: 3
Don't be? He already is.....


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Translation
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/17/2010 4:54:35 PM , Rating: 1
The only bitch here is you. And little kids don't excite me, sorry. On the other hand, your mom is delicious.


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 5:22:53 PM , Rating: 2
can't say the same about yours tho


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 4:55:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
if you own an iPhone and a MBP why would you buy the iPad?
To have large screen iOS device that can do more than iPhone but is more portable and weighs less than MBP.
quote:
you have a version that sits in your pocket and can do everything AND some
Stop lying, iPhone can't do all iPad can do "AND some".
quote:
Everything the iPad can do people were already doing
Everywhere the Lexus can go people were riding to in their Chevys, so what? Stop buying Lexus and buy only Chevy? Just because YOU said so? LOLOLOL.
quote:
If you have an iPad you still need a real computer, if you have an iPad you still need a real phone
Yeah, if you have RV trailer you still need a large car to tow it, so why buy said trailer? It doesn't fit a void, it's pointless! LOLOLOL.


RE: Translation
By bfdd on 9/17/2010 10:32:48 PM , Rating: 1
How exactly is the iPad so much more portable than a 13" MBP? It's not. 3lb difference and a couple inches. Not much thicker, not much heavier, not much bigger, more functionality. What does the iPad do better than the iPhone besides have a bigger screen? Does it have a forward facing camera so you can have video chat on it? No? It doesn't? Chalk one up to the iPhone then. It doesn't have a camera period? Chalk another one up to the iPhone. It can't make phone calls? Another one chalked up to the iPhone. More apps available? iPhone has it beat there too. Where exactly does the iPad beat out the iPhone besides having a bigger screen?

Your Lexus vs Chevy is so off the mark on what I was actually saying I'm 100% convinced you're a fucking moron. Even if you're just a troll, you're a fucking moron of a troll. If I own a Lexus and a bike, why would I buy a Segway? See that's makes sense not your stupid Lexus vs Chevy shit. I'm not talking Dell vs Apple here dipshit.

Your trailer analogy was even worse wow.... I'm done replying to you period because your arguments are more asinine than is worth my time.


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 11:08:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Where exactly does the iPad beat out the iPhone besides having a bigger screen?
Where exactly does the RV trailer beat out a large car besides having a kitchen, a bedroom, a mini-bar and a toilet?


RE: Translation
By themaster08 on 9/18/2010 1:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
Where exactly does the iPad beat out the iPhone besides having a bigger screen?


RE: Translation
By Pirks on 9/18/2010 7:06:15 PM , Rating: 1
RE: Translation
By callmeroy on 9/17/2010 12:48:57 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps but seriously ..how is that relevant to the theme of the article which is Ipad sales cut into laptop sales...

If I sell laptops .... I don't care what you are buying them for....as long as you are buying them.


RE: Translation
By amanojaku on 9/17/2010 1:14:48 PM , Rating: 2
Simple: if consumers aren't buying laptops because they're buying something else, you need to sell that something else. Even Apple notebooks are being negatively impacted by the iPad, so it's not an Apple vs. the World problem. It's a functionality problem.

The size, weight and battery life of a notebook are not ideal for consumers, particularly when they don't exploit the power of a notebook. The iPad, and devices like the Streak and Google tablets, are what consumers need. Which is why I said the users aren't doing any real work.

If I have a family of four I need a decent sedan (smart phone) or minivan (tablet). I don't care if you can sell me a semi (notebook) for the same price; I'm not hauling cargo across the country, I'm hauling groceries!


RE: Translation
By Alexstarfire on 9/17/2010 4:02:35 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting analogy, but I don't think a notebook would be a semi truck, that'd be your desktop. I think it's more like coupe/motorcycle, sedan, minivan/SUV for smartphone, tablet, and notebook respectively. That's not perfect either, but I think it's much closer.


RE: Translation
By stimudent on 9/17/2010 1:12:06 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad is very interesting and I may get it someday.
I thought many times how convenient an iPad would have been to check up things on the internet and such when a laptop is not practical.
I still feel though that I want my laptop in front of me if I need to do serious work.


Worse and Good Timing
By Mitch101 on 9/17/2010 10:53:03 AM , Rating: 5
I can certainly understand the iPad/Tablet taking a chunk out of the Notebook market a notebook is clunky and cumbersome in most situations where you just want to read a book, surf the web, respond to an e-mail, etc. Most people dont spend their time inputting information so a tablet makes sense to quickly check and do things. Its convenient without having to balance a machine and use a trackpad/pointer.

Apples timing, cost, and OS are excellent for what they have done and Apple is reaping the rewards. I would have certainly bought one if it had a memory slot/memory upgrade option and front facing camera option. Something Im sad to say I cant live without. If apple produces one before the competition arrives with an alternative with my needs I may still purchase an iPad but sadly I believe Apple will continue its products that lack expansion.

I would love to have the ability to take the memory card from my digital camera and look at pictures and video. I would love to be able to put a memory card in of movies and let the kids watch a show/movie. I would love to have the ability to video record a conference/learning session and take notes. Sadly to do most of the above requires I spend more than Im willing to and it still wont record video.

Sorry Apple all it would take is a memory slot, camera, and usb port to win me over. If you wont make it someone else will. Android is a nice tablet OS and Mobile 7 looks even that much better if they put it on a tablet. Even then next year hardware looks to catch up and Full blown Windows 7 becomes and option.

My 2 cents.




RE: Worse and Good Timing
By jrb531 on 9/17/2010 11:09:07 AM , Rating: 1
QFT!

I'm ready to pull the plug on the first "real" tablet that has a camera, memory card and flash support.

I have a real computer for doing serious computer work. I want a tablet so I can surf the web and without the ability to transfer files to a memory stick/card - well no Apple for me as much as I admire the Ipad.

Apple does not want us to put in cheap flash memory when they can sell us upgrades for $100....

IE $499 for 16gig and $599 for 32gb - $100 for 16gig of memory? Apple are you nuts?

Look at the logic...

$499 - 16gig
$599 - 32gig
$699 - 64gig

So why can you sell us $32gig for $100 but you still want $100 for only 16gig?????

Has anyone ever asked Apple why they are ripping people off? I'd love to hear this answer LOL

I can see $100 for 32gig (even that is a bit high) but $100 for 16gig of memory is an utter insult!


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By K1000 on 9/17/2010 11:23:49 AM , Rating: 3
There is such a tablet that's coming out. It will be out in Canada in october and in the US soon after. Partners for the US launch have not yet been announced I think. It's called the Exopc or Exo-1. Here are the specs and the website is

http://www.exopc.com/en/index.php

1.6ghz Atom processor
2gb of Ram (compared to 256mb for the iPad)
11.6 inch display 1366x768
Intel GMA 3150 BROADCOM Crystal HD 1080p
SSD 32GB or 64GB
Wifi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
USB 2.0 x2, Audio jack, Mini-HDMI, Dock
SD/SDHC 32GB Max
1.3 MP front facing webcam
Runs on windows 7 home premium and has a built in user interface (you can see the UI in action through links in the forum). The pricing is similar to the iPad for the 32 and 64 gb version.

Looks like a very promising product. Can't wait to get my hands on it ;)


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By kmmatney on 9/17/2010 2:27:53 PM , Rating: 2
Looks intersting, although the 4 hour battery life is a bit weak (especially because this is probably a best-case scenario). I wonder if you can connect to a real keyboard and use it as a regular Windows 7 machine, turning off the tablet UI?


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By FITCamaro on 9/17/2010 11:40:48 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Has anyone ever asked Apple why they are ripping people off?


Its really quite simple. Because they can.


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By Motoman on 9/17/2010 12:04:30 PM , Rating: 4
Apple hasn't got the slightest reason to...

...worry about quality control
...worry about feature sets
...worry about reasonable pricing
...worry about a closed-garden marketplace

...or anything else. Apple is one of the most anti-consumer companies ever to exist - but it doesn't matter. Their religion is so strong that people buy their products hand over fist regardless of whether or not they actually do what their supposed to do without blowing up. So Apple needn't worry about anything at all - put the worst crap they can find in a box and it will sell like mad.

You want to know who to blame for Apple's wildly anti-consumer practices? Look in the mirror.


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Worse and Good Timing
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/17/2010 2:35:05 PM , Rating: 3
More useless mindless drivel from the clown Pirks....


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By Taft12 on 9/17/2010 3:14:54 PM , Rating: 3
Pirks quoting Motoman has the potential to devolve VERY quickly


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/17/2010 4:03:46 PM , Rating: 3
Him posting anything devolves quickly.


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By Pirks on 9/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Worse and Good Timing
By FITCamaro on 9/17/2010 11:38:56 AM , Rating: 2
You'll have to wait for probably version 3 for those features. That way they can get the suckers and iDrones to buy at least 2 more.


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By kmmatney on 9/17/2010 2:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
There is a camera connection kit for $30, that has a USB and SD card reader. Would be good if an App for Jailbroken iPads could use those for playing movies, etc...

http://www.amazon.com/iPad-Camera-Connection-Card-...


RE: Worse and Good Timing
By jrb531 on 9/18/2010 10:29:40 AM , Rating: 2
Who wants that crap sticking out the bottom/side of the unit???

If they can put a camera in the Iphone/Touch... if other companies can find room for at least a micro-SD in there phones... then Apple "could" - IF they wanted!!!!! - find room in the MUCH larger Ipad.


Duh on the TV sales shrink
By torpor on 9/17/2010 10:53:03 AM , Rating: 2
So many people just bought an expensive, flat-panel HDTV to accommodate the switchover the digital transmission that it created a big bump in purchasing.

You just can't sustain that volume.




RE: Duh on the TV sales shrink
By MrFord on 9/17/2010 1:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
And people figured out that going from a CRT or projector SDTV to an LCD/plasma HDTV is a nice step, but after that, 60 vs 120/240Hz or 3D-capable TVs are not worth the investment but for the few.

Also, we're talking about $1,000 to $3,000 for the higher end models with all the bell and whistle. Compare that to $500-$800 for a high end Sony Trinitron 10 years ago. We got used to these prices, but 10 years ago, paying $1,000 for a TV was pretty rare, and most people got 27-30in models for $500.

Most people already made the switch to flat-panels, and the others (like me and my 27in Trinitron) are more than happy that prices are going down again. They can fight for our business, we won't mind!


RE: Duh on the TV sales shrink
By FITCamaro on 9/17/2010 8:26:10 PM , Rating: 2
$500 15 years ago was about equal to $1500 today.


Yawn...
By xpax on 9/17/2010 2:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
Someone commented earlier that the iPad is only a media consumption device and not intended to replace note/netbooks. While I agree, and it is generally regarded as a media consumption device by those 'in the know' -- obviously from Best Buy's sales numbers there are a great many amongst the unwashed masses who believe it will replace a note/netbook. They will find they are mistaken.

To the Apple trolls only: We all know that Apple products only sell well because they're marketed well. The products themselves are average at best. They're made with the same mass-market components as anyone else's.

They aren't better. They don't make you more productive. They lack many important features their competitors all offer. Apple deliberately leaves out features to pad their bottom line, and you suckers fall for it.

Oh, and don't crawl out from under your bridge and tell me that you used to spend tons of time reformatting your Windows machine. The only thing that demonstrates is that you're stupid and shouldn't have been permitted to use a computer in the first place.




RE: Yawn...
By bfdd on 9/17/2010 3:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
I've had a few acquaintances ask me if they should get an iPad over the MBP thinking it was exactly the same except a touch screen version. I told them to take out their iPhones and imagine a bigger version of that and they decided to get MBPs instead.


RE: Yawn...
By jrb531 on 9/18/2010 10:35:29 AM , Rating: 2
Or a great deal of people who have bought laptops in the past really do not need a full computer.

Let's be honest here... how many people do we know that have a laptop and only surf the net and read email? How many people just play a few light games like solitaire. How many leave it turned off 99% of the time and just turn it on to do these few simple things and then turn it off?

To them, having an "instant" mini-laptop that they can walk around the house with is a blessing.

Now don't get me wrong... I do NOT like Apple or their policies but until someone tops them the market is theirs. I want nothing better than to have a non-apple tablet option in a few months when I'm in the market but so far all I see is Android tablets with low resolution running out of date OS's that are not intented to run on tablets.

SOMEONE GIVE ME A REAL OPTION!

Please?

:)


?
By The Imir of Groofunkistan on 9/17/2010 2:31:29 PM , Rating: 3
Who in the #@@#!? buys a laptop at Worst Buy in the first place?




RE: ?
By FITCamaro on 9/17/2010 3:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
I got my laptop there. $600 for a laptop with a Blu-ray drive 2 years ago. Open box ftw.

Laptop prices really don't fluctuate much between places. And their warranties are worth it. I have a new battery on the way to me right now that I got for "free". Just had to call them and they are sending me a brand new one. You're going to need one anyway after 2 years so might as well get it and have the protection just in case.


Its the repetition that saps my soul
By Tony Swash on 9/17/2010 1:08:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now the bricks lay on Grand Street
Where the neon madmen climb
They all fall there so perfectly
It all seems so well timed
And here I sit so patiently
Waiting to find out what price
You have to pay to get out of
Going through all these things twice

BOB DYLAN
"Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again


Its the repetition that saps my soul.

Apple have broken into, disrupted, and gone on to sell tens of millions of products in three new (for Apple) product categories in the last decade.

Each time the Apple i-products have been huge successes.

Each time the rest of the industry have scrabbled to catch up and copy Apple.

After the iPod all music players came to resemble the iPod (or failed miserably).

After the iPhone all smart phones came to resemble the iPhone (or failed miserably).

After the iPad all tablets seem to becoming to resemble the iPad (and those that don't will fail miserably).

After each of these i-products from Apple, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, were launched the response on this forum and from large parts of the tech commentariat was the same.

a) Phase one response. Derision. The new Apple products is absurd, overpriced, less powerful than the existing products and it is bound to fail. All style over substance.

Then the new product began to sell remarkably well.

b) Phase two response. Its a fad, it will pass once people realise that it is underpowered and too expensive

The new product continues to sell above all projections and sales accelerate. Apple rolls out regular upgrades and builds a value chain of additional products and services attached to the new i-product. Partners such as app developers and accessory makers begin to flock to the new device. An eco system begins to build around the new i-product

c) Phase three response. Apple's success is short term, soon everyone else in the industry will catch up. A series of competing products are talked up by the commentariat as i-product killers.

None of them kill Apple's new i-product, most fail and few make anywhere near as much money as Apple does. The new i-product becomes an entrenched standard by which products in that category are judged.

d) Phase four response (actually this response can be deployed at any time). Apple's customers are idiots and mindless followers of fashion.

Apple secretly prepares its next i-product and continues to grow its sales.

quote:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
- Albert Einstein




By Pirks on 9/17/2010 1:40:16 PM , Rating: 2
you forgot about one more category:

m) Mototroll :)))

but I guess it's very close to d) so I'm not mad at ya Tony :P


Good
By macthemechanic on 9/19/2010 2:12:05 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps those should never have been laptop sales in the first place, it is just there wasn't anything closer to fit the need until now. We must stop feeling all comfortable with the status quo in technology and push the envelop for more innovation in design and human interfaces that work. If you have no idea what I am talking about, try teaching and supporting a 75+ year old how to run a laptop, check their email, login to Facebook and access their bank. Do that for a year and then tell me that laptops are superior to the iPad. iPads to a GREAT job with the elderly wanting to keep in touch with their family and friends. I have one and love it. However I much prefer using my desktop and laptop for everyday activities. I use my iPad for portability where the laptop's 5lbs and 3 hour battery life just can't cut it.




RE: Good
By Pirks on 9/19/2010 10:25:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
laptop's 5lbs and 3 hour battery life just can't cut it
pure macolyte BS, my Asus UL80 14" notebook easily works FOURTEEN hours on a single battery charge, not THREE :P heheh


Boo Hoo! Apple made another great product! WAH!!!
By schmizz on 9/17/2010 12:19:54 PM , Rating: 1
If you don't like Apple, don't buy it. Fact is they make aesthetically pleasing products that are easy to use and highly reliable!

People are tired of spending more time on their Windows PCs trying to get them to work than actually using them. If an apple product is not working or you have a question, you just take it to the genius bar at your local mall and all problems will be taken care of. Also Apple provides all of the software that you really need with their devices, you don't have to spend ludicrous amounts of money for the latest this or that. I don't like all of Apples' practices, but I'm willing to put up with the things that annoy me for a product that works.

I will be buying an ipad when they release it w/a webcam. Could Apple have put a webcam in the original ipad? Of course, but Steve Jobs is smart enough to know that millions of people would buy it without one and than buy it again with one. That's just a mixture of smart business and stupid consumers, but it doesn't make Apple bad. It just makes them Capitalists.

Microsoft is the McDonalds of the computer world. Just because they have the most locations and customers, doesn't change the fact that their food sucks!




By GTVic on 9/17/2010 3:54:10 PM , Rating: 2
I was going to regurgitate the party line but now I don't have to.


WOW
By hiscross on 9/17/2010 4:59:38 PM , Rating: 2
DT actually ran this story. Of course the comments are usual gutter stuff, but Hey that's what happens when people Think for them selves. I can wait for that Win7 tablet Balmer showed off in January, you know the HP one. You know that iPad killer. Please tell me where I can find one?




RE: WOW
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 5:26:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You know that iPad's dick sucker
fixed


Great news!!
By TechIsGr8 on 9/17/2010 12:09:59 PM , Rating: 2
This is awesome for the consumer! Time to cut Chinese slave labor pay to $50/month, down from $200/month. Then they can give $100 of that to the CEO and shareholders, give the remaining $50 to fund price cuts, and lower the laptop prices for all of us. LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL!! It's great to have that slave labor in China. At least I know Wall Street loves it.




I can see this
By ZachDontScare on 9/17/2010 3:09:41 PM , Rating: 2
I can see it having an impact on Best Buy's laptop sales. Best Buy largely targets the 'consumer' in the truest form. These arent necessarily people looking for production devices. Just watch their commercials - they are mostly media consumption driven ('oh, look, you can watch music videos and access facebook on your laptop'). The ipad would appeal greatly to folks in that demo.

Those looking for more productive machines, or people more technical, tend to get their computers from other sources.




50 Percent
By GTVic on 9/17/2010 3:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
So they sold 1 laptop this year instead of 2. That is hardly enough for a statistical comparison.




By jonmcc33 on 9/17/2010 6:46:22 PM , Rating: 2
Best Buy employees are clueless.




Another piece of the puzzle
By Tony Swash on 9/17/2010 6:58:18 PM , Rating: 2
The new Apple TV brought forth some yawns amongst commentators but they didn't really spot the significance of the amazing game changing gem that is AirPlay. This article is worth a read as it spells out the true significance of AirPlay and its relationship to iOS devices like the iPad.

http://www.9to5mac.com/27015/airplay-is-apples-go-...

Here is an extract:
quote:
And that brings us to remotes. That little aluminum thing that Apple includes with the AppleTV? That’s good for browsing Apple’s content on the AppleTV and in your house, but the best way to pull content from the web is going to be from your iOS device. iPad, iPod touch and iPhone are not only going to be your remote, they will be the device that streams Internet content to your Airplay AppleTV.

The living room experience that Apple invisions is a consumer with an iPhone/iPod touch/iPad in their hands searching the web for content to explore while watching TV. If you find something interesting that you want to share with the family, you pop it on the screen via AirPlay. If you really like it, you make a purchase and get a full HD version.




This is utter nonsense
By Jazok on 9/18/2010 3:08:22 AM , Rating: 2
This is complete nonsense. About 2-3 million iPads have sold TOTAL. Being conservative, 200-300 million laptops & netbooks are sold every year. Best Buy likely sells more laptops in a month than ALL the iPads sold.

But, as it turns out, Best Buy has fessed up that this is a total crock (which was further exaggerated by a reporter trying to make the story more sensationalistic.)

The lack of critical thinking by the "reporters" on this site and many commentators never ceases to amaze and entertain.




Kindle > Ipood.
By Methal on 9/19/2010 3:07:51 PM , Rating: 2
Ipood = smartphone that doesn't call anyone.




WRONG TITLE
By damianrobertjones on 9/20/2010 10:14:18 AM , Rating: 2
Hasn't this been updated? the guy actually meant..

"Netbook"

not

"Laptop"




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