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Pre-orders have already started

When it comes to first person shooters, one of the most popular franchises comes from DICE and EA in the form of Battlefield. The next game in the franchise will be Battlefield 4, and DICE has revealed that the fourth game in the franchise will be a new benchmark in game design and multiple player engagement.

Battlefield 4 will launch in the fall of 2013 using the proprietary Frostbite 3 game engine. The developers promise the game will give players a glimpse into the future of interactive entertainment.

In the single player mode, players will be able to experience huge environments filled with all sorts of destruction along with an arsenal of different vehicles, weapons, and more. In the single player missions, players will be able to direct squad mates and the single player mode will track the player's progress. The game will require players to work with their squad mates in both the single player campaign and multiplayer modes.

"We are so humbled and proud to debut Battlefield 4 on a global stage with simultaneous events in San Francisco and Stockholm. To be this early in development, and to already be so polished is a huge achievement for the DICE team and reflection of their passion and commitment to driving the franchise forward. Today's demo was just the beginning -- we have so much more in store," said Patrick Soderlund, Executive Vice President, EA Games Label.

Players can pre-order Battlefield 4 at participating retail outlets and will perceive the Premium expansion pack at no additional cost with their pre-order. The Digital Deluxe Edition will be available exclusively as a download via Origin.

Source: Daily Finance

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Sorry EA..
By Daneel_ on 3/27/2013 12:06:19 PM , Rating: 5
Sorry EA. I point blank refuse to buy this game, or any of your other games, until you remove the crushing DRM imposed upon your games . Not lying to your customers about game requirements would also go a long way. (Server-side processing required?? Really?)

RE: Sorry EA..
By Amoro on 3/27/13, Rating: 0
RE: Sorry EA..
By Daneel_ on 3/27/2013 12:37:41 PM , Rating: 2
I accept that. I probably should have written "upon many of your games", however my point stands: the DRM they have placed on some of their games means that I refuse to buy any of their offerings.

RE: Sorry EA..
By StevoLincolnite on 3/27/2013 7:17:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I got burned by EA's Origin and Battlefield 3's DRM on release, so got my refund and learnt my lesson not to go near EA games unless they are on steam.

Sad part is, there are bucket loads of people who feel the same way, makes you wonder how much money/sales they are passing up!

RE: Sorry EA..
By Ristogod on 3/28/2013 10:06:16 AM , Rating: 2
Less than you think. BF3 is pretty popular and quite a fun game and there is an abundance of people playing at any given time. The majority of them are Premium members also.

I also hate having my gaming library spread across multiple services, but why people find one form of DRM (Steam) completely acceptable and absolutely appall another form of DRM (Origin) when they basically do the same thing in the same manner is beyond me.

RE: Sorry EA..
By AnnihilatorX on 3/30/2013 8:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
Both Origin and Steam count as DRM in my book. The only true non-DRM game library platform is Desura.

RE: Sorry EA..
By MZperX on 3/28/2013 11:40:20 AM , Rating: 2
Yup. If it's not on Steam (or can be activated on Steam) I don't buy. I passed up a number of game deals lately because they were EA Origin exclusive. No thanks.

My game backlog, due to killer Steam sales, is so huge that if I don't buy another game for a year I still won't run out quality titles to play. I have well over a dozen AAA games I've been itching to play and haven't even installed yet.
EA can stuff their DRM-plagued Origin exclusive offerings up their tailpipe.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Totally on 3/31/2013 6:08:11 PM , Rating: 2
I have no qualms with Origin it's the same thing as steam in my book but never again will I purchase a online only game like Sim City. DRM isn't the problem (but it's at the root), it is this stupid push towards cloud gaming.

RE: Sorry EA..
By max_payne on 3/27/2013 12:41:12 PM , Rating: 2
Easy, buy the game but use a pirated version. No more drm annoyance.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Motoman on 3/27/2013 12:50:35 PM , Rating: 5
Nope. Buying the game tells them that it's OK to abuse the customer with DRM.

Do without. And ideally, send them a note telling them that you *would* have bought their game...if only it didn't have all that DRM on it...

RE: Sorry EA..
By kleinma on 3/27/13, Rating: -1
RE: Sorry EA..
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/13, Rating: -1
RE: Sorry EA..
By Spuke on 3/27/2013 6:00:46 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, I skipped Battlefield 3.
You're missing out. BF3 is friggin awesome!

RE: Sorry EA..
By 2bdetermine on 3/27/2013 6:28:52 PM , Rating: 2
You're missing out. BF3 is friggin awesome!

Yeah! frigging overprice, frigging garbage DLC an easy way for them to make a quick buck...

RE: Sorry EA..
By luhar49 on 3/28/2013 2:41:29 AM , Rating: 3
I have played BF3 for 300+ hours.
It is absolutely worth the price I paid for the game.

I spent much more on hardware upgrade to play this game with all eye candy turned on. EA developers certainly deserved the price I paid upfront for the game..which is absolutely amazing.

BF4 looks even better and I would pre-order as soon as they open it.

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 6:45:53 PM , Rating: 2
Regenerating health, grinding for gear and perks, slower gunplay, boring "realistic" physics, frigging Rush Mode, bleh. The game looks gorgeous but this might be the first one I skip. BF3 was such a downgrade from BC2 and this looks like more of the same.

BF1942 is still the peak of the series, so insanely fun, goofy physics and WAKE ISLAND. I miss the old DICE. :/

RE: Sorry EA..
By hubb1e on 3/27/2013 6:58:29 PM , Rating: 2
I prefer slower gunplay. I'm quite happy with BF3. Hardcore mode removes regenerating health and grinding for gear is now an expected part of these types of games. They do start you off with the best rounded guns in the game except for the sniper rifles.

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 7:02:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it all comes down to personal preference. Slower gunplay clearly works for lots of people, otherwise the trend in FPS wouldn't have continued in that direction. :)

RE: Sorry EA..
By Spuke on 3/27/2013 7:09:08 PM , Rating: 2
What's slow about it? You guys sound like you haven't played. Seriously I'm on there nearly every night. Fun as all get out.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Daneel_ on 3/28/2013 1:21:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's slow, in that it's not 'tourney'-style as Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament were.

I miss Rocket Arena so much.. :(

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/28/2013 1:23:29 AM , Rating: 2
RA3, woop!

RE: Sorry EA..
By maugrimtr on 3/28/2013 9:33:45 AM , Rating: 3
BF3 was not a sequel to BFBC2... They are two different game families. BF3 has more tactical gun play, i.e. not running about half cocked where you kill someone, run out your clip, and get mown down by another spray master. Battlefield means tanks, jets and tactics. BFBC was a faster game style with smaller maps.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Strunf on 3/28/2013 8:55:22 AM , Rating: 3
Slow? this is battlefield not Quake, I'm all for making it as realist as possible and doing a 360° shouldn't be in a blink of an eye.

RE: Sorry EA..
By MrBlastman on 3/28/2013 4:16:59 PM , Rating: 2
Rocket Arena was a rush! I played every single iteration of it up until Quake 3. RIP Quake 4. It should have been popular online but alas it wasn't. :( UT was awesome too. Ahhh the days of hardcore shooters and... hardcore players are fading.

At least we have Mechwarrior Online despite its flaws. The gameplay is still a rush and punishes noobs harshly until they learn the game.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Asetha on 3/28/2013 4:51:21 AM , Rating: 2
BF3 has Wake Island.....

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/28/2013 6:38:23 PM , Rating: 1
No ships, no goofy vehicle physics, not the same

RE: Sorry EA..
By Daneel_ on 3/28/2013 1:40:37 AM , Rating: 2
Hi Reclaimer,

Yep, I'm old enough and ugly enough to remember the terrible DRM that used to exist..

Unfortunately, in today's case, not all people have internet all the time. The easiest example of this would be if you were to catch the train to and from university/work and wanted to play while in transit. Unless you have tethering and a reasonable data plan, you can't play it in that situation, which might be an hour or more each day.

The internet connection is besides the point for me though; I accept that games may require some form of 'online' to authenticate and function (Steam and are success stories), what bothers me more is the online-only element that EA have used with SimCity. One of the major drawcards of the series was the ability to create worlds as large and sprawling as your desire, with multiple saves so you could have a bit of destructive fun every now and then.. In other words, the ability to play by yourself and manage your own worlds. Forcing users to migrate to online-only, with one save state and no control is what has ruined the experience for me.

The DRM itself isn't the issue in this case, it's the byproduct of the DRM. The driving cause of the issue is still the DRM though. EA needs to re-examinte their insatiable desire for control.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Manch on 3/28/2013 2:57:46 AM , Rating: 2
BF3 is fun, you should check it out.

While I'm not a fan of DRM, it doesn't bother me except for the always on BS. I have highspeed internet (80up/80down) at home, but I also go TDY and deploy a lot to places where I don't have access to internet or sometimes running water. Being able to play single player on my laptop without an internet connection is a huge deal for me. Diablo III is ruined for me. I was so excited about that game, when it finally released. Two days later I go TDY, crammed in the cattle car(coach) for a nice 8hr flight. Wait, WTF I cant play? Why not? This is Effin BS!

I'm sure several people have had that experience. And that's where DRM goes too far.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Frallan on 3/28/2013 4:31:27 AM , Rating: 2
Ohh Im older than that I remember copying tapes for my C64. But leaving that aside I bought a lot of licences for games then to but then I always used the cracked versions to get around the DRM. I found that that was a win/win - the developer got their Dosh and i got trouble free gaming. And already then I was allergic to companies installing things on my computer that I didn't explicitly want and even more when those programs reported home.

That got so bad when SONY introduced Root kits on their music CD:s that I have since then not spent 1 cent on SONY music or software. If there was something I wanted i have activly sought the cracked/ripped version out and also told my communities how/where to find those versions.

My stand on Origin now is:
* Advice all I know not to install or buy
* If possible use pirated software

That will go on until EA gets a decent support and a decent attitude towards their customers. And apologizes for for earlier behavior.

Now that is as likely to happen as snow falling in Sahara so Ill just go on spending my 100-200 USD a month for games/software/music somewhere else and since I do that my friends will be less likly to buy EA stuff bc Im not in MP in those games and since Im telling them why not.

What Im saying here is that the DRM EA is imposing is the worst so far (internet required, snooping programs that keeps track of what you have installed and how you use it) - their attitude stinks to high heaven and their support is non existent on top of that their productions are expensive therefore I think you are wrong in your post.

RE: Sorry EA..
By TheEinstein on 3/28/2013 4:45:03 AM , Rating: 3
"OMFG Internet required!!!???"

I am a semi-truck driver. I buy 6 gigs of internet a month, but some area's are of course blacked out. Kingsgate Canada is a bad spot, no internet. Heck Canada is a bad spot since I pay per megabyte up there with extra costs and fee's.

Why should I be stuck paying huge internet costs to play a game?

This is why I shall never play Diablo II, never play this game, nor play other internet required games.

RE: Sorry EA..
By wordsworm on 3/27/2013 10:52:21 PM , Rating: 1
I've been thinking of doing that with my next Mercedes. Buy one, leave it in the garage... steal the second from the lot and use that one. They charge too much for them anyways.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Tony Swash on 3/27/2013 12:50:19 PM , Rating: 2
I literally cannot wait for this game, I waste countless hours playing Battlefield 3 already. The browser based multiplayer game finder is a pain but the actual game is already fantastic so an upgrade will take it to new heights.

If only Simcity hadn't been so limited ....sigh....guess you can't have everything ;)

RE: Sorry EA..
By Spuke on 3/27/2013 6:01:26 PM , Rating: 2
I literally cannot wait for this game, I waste countless hours playing Battlefield 3 already.
Damn, we actually agree on something.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Tony Swash on 3/27/2013 9:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
Damn, we actually agree on something.

We should form a squad ;)

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 5:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't any different than what happens with Steam. Origin isn't as good a program as Steam but it works well enough.

My biggest problem is that the series got boring. BF1942 was by far the most fun game in the series, goofy physics and all. BF2 was really fun back in the day, BC2 was decent, but I only managed about 4 or 5 hours of BF3 before I was done. Regenerating health, "realistic" vehicle physics, rush mode (ugh), the game doesn't have the magic or fun that the older shooters did.

BF4 looks like more of the same. Part of me wants to get it because it looks gorgeous and it would show off the power of my rig, but the gameplay looks as boring as before. Maybe if there's a good deal on it.

FPS have gotten so boring with their new rules and dumbed down mechanics. Its no wonder I've gone to SC2 and DOTA 2 for my multiplayer fix over the last two years, way more challenging.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/2013 6:01:50 PM , Rating: 1
If you want to push your rig, I can personally attest to Bioshock Infinite. Literally the most detailed high-res textures I've ever seen, EVER.

Great gameplay too. Believe the hype, every "pc gamer" NEEDS to get it I'm telling ya.

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 6:51:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'm about 4 hours into Bioshock Infinite, everything cranked on my GTX 680. Its really good! You know what else is good is Tomb Raider, I think I like it as much as Uncharted 2. The gunplay is surprisingly fun and the character models/textures are some of the best I've seen in a game.

Its weird playing all these new single player games after nothing but Starcraft 2 and DOTA 2 multiplayer the last couple months, but thankfully they're all really fun!

RE: Sorry EA..
By Spuke on 3/27/2013 6:05:22 PM , Rating: 2
F that! BF3 is fun as all get out! And there's tons of modes to try out. Quite frankly I think it's an order of magnitude more fun than ALL of the previous BF games. I'll even go so far as saying all the previous one's sucked ass compared to BF3.

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 6:59:46 PM , Rating: 2
The move in shooters to grinding for gear/perks, regenerating health that encourages conservative play, etc etc, really isn't for me. BF1942 was my favorite, partly because the physics were so insanely goofy and fun. There would always be a "Battlefield Moment" thanks to the vehicle physics doing something ridiculous and awesome.

For me the newer games are pretty boring in comparison and have a lower, flattened out skill cap. Its all kind of easier and more boring now, but I understand doing that to capture a larger audience. My head is really stuck in the early 2000s when it comes to shooters. Quake and Quake 3 are still the pinnacles for me, so yeah. :)

RE: Sorry EA..
By Spuke on 3/27/2013 7:12:32 PM , Rating: 1
The move in shooters to grinding for gear/perks, regenerating health that encourages conservative play
Dude that's YOUR opinion. I don't find the play conservative at all and the regenerating health doesn't extend alive time for me. Probably 1% in my gameplay. Maybe you need to stop playing on newb servers and play with some skilled people. Have you played CG or Gun Master? Are you telling me that's slow or conservative? I question that you've actually played the game.

RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 7:33:45 PM , Rating: 2
That's why I said "really isn't for me". Of course its my opinion. I prefer faster shooters, simple. BF1942 had big gaps in action as well but the fun of the physics engine, sea battles, etc etc, more than made up for it.

I've played those modes you mentioned, and I greatly prefer more old school shooters. The most fun I had at a LAN last year wasn't BF3 or CoD, it was good old Quake 3 and DOOM. I like speed.

Why are you so defensive about BF3? Not everyone is going to share your love for modern shooters, no big deal.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Spuke on 3/27/13, Rating: 0
RE: Sorry EA..
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 11:04:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not insulting the people who play it, I'm saying why the game isn't for me.

RE: Sorry EA..
By Strunf on 3/28/2013 9:03:30 AM , Rating: 2
That's probably cause for you Battlefield should look like COD, we the old guard want battlefield to look like battlefield, Regen, unlimited ammo and other pieces of crap made BF3 a lot less strategic than the previous versions...

Anyways with the BF4 video you should rejoice yourself BF4 will be just another COD like game just like you want...

RE: Sorry EA..
By FITCamaro on 3/28/2013 8:39:45 AM , Rating: 2
I actually spent far more time on the Desert Combat mod. Back when multiplayer was just pick your kit and go. Not "you've played the most so get to be uber" or "got money? buy your way to better stuff".

RE: Sorry EA..
By Frallan on 3/28/2013 4:12:23 AM , Rating: 2

I refuse to have Origin running on my computer nowdays. I bought BF3 and ME3 and played for a while but the reporting Origin did on my behaviour and what I have on my computer that is not theirs is unaccaptable.

Never again on PC
By Luckyhermit on 3/27/2013 1:38:24 PM , Rating: 2
I got Battlefield 3 for PC because of the superior graphics and larger match sizes. Not to mention I hate using controllers for FPS, but if I do buy Battlefield 4 it will be on a console for 2 reasons.

1: Origin. I really don't want another pile of crap DRM process running on my computer that opens security vulnerabilities. If it were just for this reason alone it wouldn't be a deal breaker...

2: Cheaters. Holy crap the cheaters are more rampant than I thought possible. At first I gave everything the benefit of my doubt when somebody goes 100+ kills and single digit deaths in match after match, and when I'm continuously getting picked off when behind cover from across the map. I thought.. Hey maybe they just really are that good... Or maybe lag is causing glitches. But after researching, I found out how easy it is to cheat. I watched a few videos of cheaters, and I went to a few (of the many) sites offering these cheats. I haven't logged on to BF3 since. It sucked all the fun out of my favorite game.

I have a feeling battlefield 4 for PC will be no different. It's sad really.

RE: Never again on PC
By Lonyo on 3/27/2013 3:36:45 PM , Rating: 3
Play on better servers/servers with active admins.

Some servers are pretty terrible, but that's why there's a favourite servers option.
Find some that are good and have anti-cheat + admins.

RE: Never again on PC
By Spuke on 3/27/2013 7:13:25 PM , Rating: 1
X2, play on better servers.

RE: Never again on PC
By Spookster on 3/27/2013 5:15:51 PM , Rating: 2
Well lag exists on console as well and you may not have any control over fixing that anymore so then you would on PC. As for the controller on PS3 at least there is a mouse/keyboard controller that is available for those who don't like the standard controller. I don't use one because I don't like keyboard/mouse with FPS. Also as for cheating you will experience the same cheating when it comes to rented servers because badmins will be badmins whether on PC or console. Now hacking the game is obviously not at easy on console so you would not see as much of that. Mostly what you would see on console are people using modded controllers. See it alot on COD where each press of the trigger fires the weapon multiple times verses once so you end up with a semi-auto pistol or sniper rifle that fires like an sub-machine gun. But then again I suppose that is possible also on PC and probably much easier I imagine.

RE: Never again on PC
By Reclaimer77 on 3/27/2013 8:14:11 PM , Rating: 1
Dude consoles are just one big ass DRM machine lol. Hello?

2: Cheaters. Holy crap the cheaters are more rampant than I thought possible.

Meah, for everyone one cheater there are a bunch of people just THAT much better than you. Truth hurts bro.

A little early
By half_duplex on 3/27/2013 11:58:30 AM , Rating: 2
Seems a bit early for a new BF... they're still selling DLC for BFIII.

I wonder if this is just an effort to push out one last Xbox 360/PS3 title before they have to start thinking about the next gen of consoles.

RE: A little early
By Sazabi19 on 3/27/2013 1:07:20 PM , Rating: 2
No, they followed the schedule they laid out for their DLC. Their last expansion was just put out earlier this month (End Game) and is now done. DICE told us their plan the whole time, it was no surprise. My only thing is that in the article it states that BF4 should be released in Fall of '13 when they originally said Q1 '14, I would be surprised if it was this year. I do wish that premium wasn't so expensive when it came out :(.

RE: A little early
By Spookster on 3/27/2013 5:07:04 PM , Rating: 2
I would be really surprised if they released in Fall '13 since the PS4 is projected to release Dec '13 and the Xbox 720 sometime this year. I imagine they would want to try and take advantage of the advanced capabilities of those newer platforms before they finalize the game.

RE: A little early
By Strunf on 3/28/2013 9:09:40 AM , Rating: 2
Not necessarily, they will make it for PS3 and Xbox 360, so they can release it for PC/PS3/Xbox360 and later on for the PS4/Xbox720... with a bit of chance people will even pay twice for the same game!

Benchmark in Game Design?
By corduroygt on 3/27/2013 1:37:26 PM , Rating: 2
All I see is a campaign pretty similar to the bazillion FPS's out there but with prettier graphics.

RE: Benchmark in Game Design?
By Milliamp on 3/27/2013 3:32:35 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't about single player any more really.

RE: Benchmark in Game Design?
By althaz on 3/27/2013 8:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
Until they bring out multiplayer with bots, for a lot of people the game won't be about anything else.

Battlefield online is good (IMO), but what's much better is playing on the biggest maps with a few friends and a bunch of bots.

RE: Benchmark in Game Design?
By kerpwnt on 3/28/2013 10:30:43 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I would even be happy with dumb bots that don't know how to operate the flying vehicles.

In addition to bots, I would like to see the dedicated server install released to the public. I would even be happy with a LAN-only non-ranked option. I've got a pretty capable server running in my garage and I think the newest game server I have on it is L4D2...

Nothing is better than bot bashing on a LAN with a few good friends and a few good beers. No lag, no stress, and you get to try things you could never try in busy public servers.

By Wiggy Mcshades on 3/27/2013 12:03:13 PM , Rating: 2
Simcity came with a lot of promises too.

By Sazabi19 on 3/27/2013 3:29:38 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, but this is from DICE and I have faith in DICE. Ya EA got their hands in there and will probably try to poison it (like they already have with Origin) but it seems like DICE is really trying for the customer, their games are awesome so far and I love BF3 and BF:BC2. Unlike a lot of the console kiddie games (CoD and MoH) this actually has substance, not just running around really fast and spamming. BF series is more tactical, waiting, and actually working as a team. I also love my 64-man servers.

By Strunf on 3/28/2013 9:14:39 AM , Rating: 2
Check the evolution of the franchise, Battlefield is going the COD way, Metro and a few other maps on BF3 are screaming COD, BF4 will probably look like COD with the exception of vehicles (that weren't even shown on the video) and bigger maps.

Whaaa, Whaaa
By unplug on 3/27/2013 1:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
Battlefield 3 is a hell of a fun game to play, so was BF2 and BF1942 (imperfections is what made it fun).

Stop whining. BF4 will be fun.

RE: Whaaa, Whaaa
By TakinYourPoints on 3/27/2013 8:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
BF1942 (imperfections is what made it fun)

Yup! Everything "off" about the game is what made it so good. :)

Not Impressed
By vcolon on 3/28/2013 2:40:14 PM , Rating: 2
Did not see anything in BF4 they could not accomplish with BF3. I'll pass.

RE: Not Impressed
By Quadrillity on 3/30/2013 3:42:27 AM , Rating: 2
I was not impressed at all either. Looked like Battlefield 3.5

By Slipgate on 3/27/2013 1:57:48 PM , Rating: 3
This game looks amazing and I don't care if I have to use piece of crap Origin, or if it has some DRM that will make me boohoo, I will choose to support an amazing crew of developers who have put their heart and time into a fine looking game. That video should scare any other fps dev out there, the bar looks like it has been raised yet again.

Please stop whining about drm, origin, or simcity.

I can't Trust EA
By Kurz on 3/27/2013 12:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
Here is a company that truely doesn't care about its customers.
How long did the Flashlight bug/feature last till they nerfed it a little?

How many more games will they put out till they learn?

By Quadrillity on 3/27/2013 4:18:31 PM , Rating: 2
Now if we can convince them to add basic features like in-game VoIP...

By nikon133 on 3/27/2013 5:42:43 PM , Rating: 2
I'd like to see BF and BF:BC differentiate more.

BF:BC should be story driven heavily scripted big fireworks blockbuster sort of game.

But for BF game, I'd like single player and co-op to develop more into direction of Flashpoint and ARMA games; not necessarily that hard-core, but definitely more open-world and more tactical than what it is in BF3 (and probably will be in BF4, if one can judge from available material).

By Jay2tall on 3/28/2013 9:28:52 AM , Rating: 2
I think I would be apprehensive about buying BF4 right away because of what they did with BF3. I bought BF3 midnight, the day of launch, at Gamestop for PC $60. I got the Limited Edition that came with the Back to Karkand DLC when released. However, I found out later there is an entirely new "Premium" DLC that includes all current and new DLC expansions for $60 (at the time they announced this). I was a bit upset that a game would consume $120 of my money to get all content. I did pick it up last week for $24.99 on an Origin deal finally and am having a lot of fun with it. The entire Premium game was $30 for what was $120 total cost if you bought each at launch. If they do this same model for BF4 I might opt to wait until the entire game is released so I can get all content at the normal $60 new game price point, or wait longer and get it for even less. If I knew they would have done what they did, I would have waited until the "full premium edition" was released. There are plenty of other games for me to occupy my time. I actually put Battlefield 3 down for a year and didn't play once, while I played other games.

I miss the days of when you bought a PC game you got all subsequent DLC for free in the form of an Update or Patch. I guess they are trying to squeeze every dime out of us they can. I will not be one of those people. I feel BF3 has a lot of good play in it left and there are tons of games I have on my "to play" list for both PC and PS3. I am an economical gamer and don't usually buy a game until it's $20 or less. Steam and Origin sales are my friend.

By USMC-DAGGER2-1_2 on 4/2/2013 8:34:33 AM , Rating: 2
I am a battlefield fan.After serving and be told I am no longer needed after receaving mutiple gun shot wounds over the span of my tours. This game gets me right back with my men doing what we trained and for some love to do. My only thing is I spent the money on the game (BF3) then the premium came out. Bought that and now you can get the game with the DLC's for the price of the game.. Not cool... And now I see the 17 min game play on my 92 mitsubishi and it looks no diffrent then BF3.. Now why didnt you (EA) just make more DLC's and upgrade the weapons through a patch instead of making a whole other game... To make more money.. You did just fine with charging me the same price when the premium came out... I will not be buying the new one till all the DLC's come out, you got me once.. I knew there wasn't much you could do to improve on a great game and I was right.. Seems the only thing you did was make the same game just now you have to buy it seprate..

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