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Says that his company is about to step up their efforts

It's no secret that Microsoft's tablet efforts are somewhat of a mess right now. After scrapping its much anticipated Courier concept, Bill Gates assured Microsoft's fans that his company hadn't given up on tablets -- but that didn't stop several key players from the tablet team from jumping ship.

Now Microsoft is left staring at Apple's fiscal third quarter, which featured sales of 3.27 million iPads.  Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer commented on a recent call to analysts [DOCX], "Apple has done an interesting job of putting together a synthesis and putting a product out, and in which they've -- they sold certainly more than I'd like them to sell, let me just be clear about that. We think about that. We think about that in competitive sense."

Ballmer made it clear that his company is not interested in pursuing a separate OS for tablets like Apple (the iPad uses a variant of the same tweaked and stripped down version of OS X found in the iPad).  He states, "We’re coming.  We’re coming full guns. The operating system is called Windows."

Windows tablets will soon get a boost from Intel's upcoming
Oak Trail low power CPU that's perfect for mobile applications, according to Ballmer.  Oak Trail is Intel's name for its upcoming successor to the Atom series of processors which will launch in early 2011.  Among other things it features full 1080p video and HDMI support, all while reportedly cutting power consumption 50 percent.

Ballmer insists that Windows tablets are just around the river bend, stating, "Some of you will say, well, when? When? And I say, As soon as they're ready. They'll be shipping as soon as they are ready. And it is job one urgency around here."

The real question, though, might be -- who?  ASUS has already ditched Windows CE for Linux in its smaller upcoming tablet (the larger 12.1" still presumably uses Windows 7) and HP is using webOS from recently acquired Palm instead of Windows 7.  That leaves a handful of other players -- MSI, Lenovo, Acer, and Dell (among others).  However, some of those -- like Dell -- are considering instead jumping ship to Google's Android OS.

At this point it's anybody's game to step up and challenge Apple.  Windows 7, webOS, and Android seem the top contenders.  The first Android tablet (or Mobile Internet Device, if you prefer), the Dell Streak, will reportedly hit before the end of the month in the U.S.  A 5-inch model will come first, followed by others.

With Android being the first to hit the market, Microsoft may be left vying for third place in the tabletsphere.  And that's something that's bound to get Ballmer real worked up.



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"Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By W00dmann on 7/30/2010 10:16:44 AM , Rating: 5
"Job one urgency" is bringing Windows-based tablet computers to the market?

I thought job one urgency right now was completing and bringing to market the Windows phone 7. Wtf? How can they possibly make the tablet their #1 priority when they are madly flapping their wings trying to get a 3-years-late-to-the-party critical phone product out the door?

This is just plain embarrassing. Is it just me, or is it odd that Microsoft is continually playing a desperate game of catch-up these days? I can't understand how they so regularly drop the ball; what "new" products is Microsoft working on these days anyway? Don't they have anybody there whose job it is to be visionary and lead the company to develop new and innovative products, rather than copy the competition?




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By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
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By bissimo on 7/30/10, Rating: 0
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By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
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By sviola on 7/30/2010 11:28:46 AM , Rating: 3
Sorry, but you're wrong, Chile is not booming solely because of Pinochet, who left the government in 1990, after democractic elections. It is true that during his rule, he started the foundations that would drive the growth by starting to open the market (and he started this in mid-80's, while coming to power in 1973), but the governments that took place after him improved the economy much more. The Chilean economy really started to grow after he left the government, at 8% in an yearly basis from 1991 to 1997, being reduced to 4% in 98 due to the asian crisis and staying below 4% until 2003. After that year it recovered and started to grow at 5-7%.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
By quiksilvr on 7/30/2010 12:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
These threads go all over the place. We've gone from Microsoft and Apple discussing tablets to the governments of Chile (wtf?) and China. So lets veer this back to the topic at hand.

Microsoft is acknowledging the fact that Apple has a major head start (not an easy task for one company to say another company beat them to the punch). They are making it its highest priority NOW because they more or less finished with Windows Phone 7 OS (which doesn't look all that impressive to me. The lack of simple multitasking functionality and lack of apps is a real turn off for me).


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By sviola on 7/30/2010 1:04:26 PM , Rating: 2
What I find interesting as you put that they only did good during this time, which is the contrary. First and most important, free speech and transparency helps societies progress, and while Chile's dictatorship may have set the foundations for future growth, the cons outweight this.

Having a diverse and multi-cultured population is good for any country, as it helps keep goverments in check and brings discussions about actions the government will take, so that it does not impact negatively on the population. Of course, open societies are susceptible to extremes, but these, as long as are kept in check, don't have a major impact in society. One example are terrorist, which compose a really small minority everywhere (not only muslims have these, as you can see the IRA, ETA, FARCS and others) and need to be dealt with the correct means (not only war, but fighting economic issues in the countries that they gather members, because, lack of perspectives is the biggest way to conquer members into crime or terrorism)


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
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By sviola on 7/30/2010 1:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
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Free app market without app censorship does not help the platform progress, Apple's censorship works better. Very similar to what Pinochet has done actually. Striking similarity with very bright economic results in both cases.


One has nothing to do with the other. Apple does not kill those who create apps that don't adhere to their rules. They do have one thing in common: both were not in favour of the people, only of themselves. Btw, Apple may is under investigation regarding this.

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Not in the case with Apple's app market censorship. Also the cons do not always outweigh the positives. There were cases in history where prompt removal of free speech and civil freedom have actually saved societies from bigger evil. Case in point - Russia and Finland. When Russians suffered communist revolution in 1917 nobody came to help, there was noone to quickly eradicate the danger and wipe out all the commies. Hence Russia suffered 70 years of red terror and now is mostly destroyed, unable to create any meaningful modern economy because all the smart and strong people (entrepreneurs mostly) fled the country during these 70 years. Compare it with Finland which also suffered a commy revolution in 1918, but Finns were much more lucky because unlike Russians they happen to have a strong dictator - Mannerheim, who quickly killed all the commies in the country. His bloody initial policy turned out to be correct, if you compare what is modern Finland vs what is modern Russia.


Interesting point, you just forgot one thing, Russia's problems do not come because of the communist revolution of 1917, and yes due the totalitarian state it became later. In fact, because of this totalitarian state, those communists that opposed the regime where murdered (trotsky, for one).

Also, here's another example of totalitarian government: Nazi Germany! No free of speech (those against the Reich faced jail or execution). Results: huge war, 6 million jews murdered and around 50 million people dead as results of the war!

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In military parlor this is also called a preemptive strike, and when you strike to kill a few people quickly to avoid larger disaster - this is not your lovely freedom of speech.


Right, cause that is worked just fine, right? I remember the US did this in Vietnam, now Iraq. What did it achieve, besides a huge debt?


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: 0
By cmdrdredd on 7/31/2010 12:58:09 PM , Rating: 1
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Hitler was a stupid dictator, not the smart one. He was a racist (meaning he was stupid)


So Obama, Holder and all the DOJ is also stupid by default because they are obviously blatantly racist.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By ClownPuncher on 7/30/2010 2:13:07 PM , Rating: 2
Your pro Mussolini rhetoric is obviously very important to the tablet PC debate.


By Pirks on 7/30/2010 2:33:33 PM , Rating: 1
Same as your anti-Hitler diatribes.


By Anticitizen1 on 7/30/2010 8:59:04 PM , Rating: 2
Perks, don't use a topic you know nothing about to make your vague point.

I lived in Russia for the first 14 years of my life and the reason Russia has experience downturn (what you call "mostly destroyed" can only partly be attributed to unsustainable levels of military spending in the Soviet Union. The bigger problem was that following the "Perestroyka" the level of corruption on all levels of democratic goverment reached levels unseen before in history of Man. In fact, democracy at that time was referred to as "dermocracy" by the populace which literally translates as "sheetocracy".

In regards to all "smart and stong people" leaving the country, explain to me how the Soviet Union has managed the scientific and technological breakthroughs, how Russia is currently the leading exporter of arms in the world and why is that they have some of the most reliable space technology in the world?


By wvh on 7/31/2010 11:34:26 AM , Rating: 1
You overestimate Mannerheim's power at that time. The "commy revolution" you speak of was a bloody civil war with an almost 50-50 division of forces (or well, mostly ordinary people) in active combat. You can't make history fit your arguments... Besides, the Russians also had their fair share of visionary dictators, both in the Tsar as in the communist period.

In hindsight, Finland was damn lucky to have chosen the path they did, becoming one of the world's most affluent, educated and democratic nations, instead of slowly getting pulled into the abyss of communist despair like Russia and large parts of Eastern Europe.

Apart from your example being wrong and irrelevant, I don't understand how you can link a few potential historic cases where prompt removal of free speech and civil freedom might have improved a crisis situation with Apple's app store, a stupid shop that sells trivial software for a gadget mobile phone. Are you really comparing Apple's app store with the Finnish civil war?


By Cheesew1z69 on 7/30/2010 1:52:55 PM , Rating: 2
Again? Next time? He looks stupid each post he makes.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By mcnabney on 7/30/10, Rating: 0
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By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
By mcnabney on 7/30/2010 11:56:54 AM , Rating: 2
They are as monopolistic as ever.

What has changed is that their monopoly is slowly becoming irrelevant. The PC used to be the required device to get things done at a reasonable cost. Fewer and fewer things require the PC anymore. Gaming has gone console. The internet and email can be handled by any number of devices, right down to a refrigerator. Media viewing has followed the same route. About the only function that requires a PC (or Mac) is productivity. Google is likely to be the one to steal this crown jewel. After that is gone I really don't see much need for Microsoft.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Mitch101 on 7/30/2010 12:11:37 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft's 4Q 2010 Revenue Breaks A Record
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/22/microsoft...

Windows increased 44 percent to $4.5 billion

Office 2010 were primarily responsible for pushing that segment's revenue up 15 percent to $5.3 billion

Revenue also increased in the company's online search and advertising group and in its entertainment and devices segment, which includes the Xbox 360 video game system

Microsoft's server software group reported a 14 percent
increase in revenue to $4 billion.

I wish I were losing it Microsoft style.

If were referring to Phones - Micorosft never really had a huge market to lose but Apple demonstrated there is a lot of money to make here with the right device. Mobile 7 might be taking time but its important they get it right.

The iPad is just showing another revenue stream Microsoft could be making. Looks like HP is back in with Microsoft but I would look toward an ASUS device personally.

Bing is growing. Taking time but still growing. Google recently stole the images idea from Bing.

To me Apple is self distructing consumers will eventually get it if they dont at first. Hype can only carry you so far.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
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By Mitch101 on 7/30/2010 12:28:42 PM , Rating: 2
I dount doubt that Apple makes a pretty interface but I prefer to have a company experienced and knowledgeable in Security.

Its like buying a Jaguar it looks great but the engineering is crap. Except the Jaguar is more secure even with the door unlocked.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
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By Mitch101 on 7/30/2010 12:47:43 PM , Rating: 2
Secunia: Apple software has the most holes
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-20011403-62.html

Lets go back a little too for history
Mac versus Windows vulnerability stats for 2007
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/mac-versus-wind...


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By Pirks on 7/30/10, Rating: 0
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By Mitch101 on 7/30/2010 1:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
Thank god its Microsoft they will acknowledge it and correct quickly. When it happens to Apple its deny and maybe the fix will be out next year?


By sviola on 7/30/2010 1:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that it may only come on the next paid upgrade ;)


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By Pirks on 7/30/2010 1:33:24 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, when such elaborate rootkits start appear for Macs - then come back and we'll talk again. Now there's nothing to discuss, unless you wanna compare your scary web pages with a real .LNK rootkit. I think this comparison makes no sense.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By sviola on 7/30/2010 2:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
Don't worry, when Macs have a significant presence in the market, they'll get the whole package: trojans, rootkits, virii(or viruses, whatever you pefer) and other malware. On the other hand, iphones do have virus, malware and exploited hacks in the past months...


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/2010 2:42:29 PM , Rating: 1
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when Macs have a significant presence in the market
keep dreaming ;)


By frobizzle on 8/3/2010 8:54:34 AM , Rating: 2
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keep dreaming ;)

Finally! Apple fan boy Pirks admits that Mac will always have a minimal market share.

It really must be time for them to break out the snowmobiles in hell! :-)


By themaster08 on 7/31/2010 5:25:27 AM , Rating: 1
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Microsoft's 4Q 2010 Revenue Breaks A Record http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/22/microsoft... Windows increased 44 percent to $4.5 billion
Office 2010 were primarily responsible for pushing that segment's revenue up 15 percent to $5.3 billion
Revenue also increased in the company's online search and advertising group and in its entertainment and devices segment, which includes the Xbox 360 video game system
Microsoft's server software group reported a 14 percent increase in revenue to $4 billion.
I wish I were losing it Microsoft style.
Funny how you seem to completely disregard this part of Mitch's comment.

Typical Pirks. Dodge the bullet, move onto another topic, continue to fight the losing battle.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Tony Swash on 7/30/2010 8:41:21 PM , Rating: 2
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To me Apple is self distructing consumers will eventually get it if they dont at first. Hype can only carry you so far.


Great example of TAC

The Techie Apple Conundrum (TAC)

The TAC arises often on sites such as Daily Tech because the attraction of Apple products, and hence Apple's huge success as a company, is dependent on features and aspects of product design invisible to almost all Techies. Thus Apples success is mysterious, vexing and ultimately challenging.

Techies for example often focus on feature lists and technical specifications and compare one such list to another and look at comparative prices and cannot understand that someone would pay more for an "inferior" spec.

This of course misses a critical aspect of Apple product design, one of the keys to the success of Apple in the consumer market, which is that for many (perhaps most) consumers having fewer technical features is a positive thing. This seems paradoxical to Techies but this is because they fail to comprehend what the actual experience for the vast majority of consumers of hi-tech products actually is - which is bad.

Consumers constantly encounter products that don't work as advertised, products that squeeze so many functions into an item that using it for its main purposes is dreadfully complex, products that even when their function should be simple (i.e. to play music, to play a DVD, to surf the web, to write emails) require a thick user manual (many of which which are often written by engineers and are thus unhelpful).

Most hi-tec products are user-unfriendly for most consumers. But not to Techies because they have technical knowledge and so can cope with poor/arcane design. In fact Techies like such products because they find technical challenges fun and because it makes them useful (they are always helping people solve their technical problems) and thus boosts their self esteem.

Some kit, almost all non-Apple desktop computers for example, are not just difficult and poorly designed but are positively scary for almost all consumers. Many non-Apple desktop computers seem very complex to operate, go wrong for no clearly understood reasons and worst of all seem to be under constant attack. Watching someone move from a non-Apple desktop computer to a Mac you can often see them slowly losing their awful, and most of the times paralysing, fear of infection and attack. As the fear fades the pleasure of using their computer increases dramatically and people start to love their computers rather than secretly hating them. Thus another mac-head is born.

The emblematic product for TAC is the iPad. Here is a product that comes on instantly, looks and feels gorgeous, is fast, is easy to operate and does (in a fantastically convenient form factor) most of what most people do most of the time on their computer (ie browse the web, send emails, watch movies, play music, read stuff and look at and share photos). Plus it has two huge benefits for most consumers. First it doesn't feel like a computer - this is a good thing for most people because most people's experience of using computers has been bad. Secondly it feels very safe because of Apple's curated computing model, and most users of computers have previously felt unsafe most of the time.

The very reasons that make the iPad such a huge success are the very reasons that Techies don't get it. If one product above all induces TAC its the iPad. Techies say "but Apple has an iron grip and is killing our freedoms" (people want safety much more than some obscure technical freedom), "the iPad doesn't have [insert any number of features that consumers don't care about]", "its not a real computer" (exactly).

So the continuing, relentless and accelerating success of Apple seems almost inexplicable to most Techies, "how could such products be so successful?"

The answer Techies come up are fairly predictable:

- Apple's voodoo marketing: Apple is pulling the wool over the consumer eyes (sometimes this is blamed on media hype).

- Apple's evil lock in: Apple has a locked down and closed platform, once sucked in people can't leave.

- Apple consumers and users are idiots: Fooled by marketing and glitzy packaging the sheep can be sold everything.

Because Techies believe that these are the real reason people buy Apple products (other than the more obvious reason which is that consumers actually like them a lot) Techies also believe that this state of affairs cannot possibly last and therefore the final piece of the Techie response to Apple falls into place. Deranged by TAC Techies often come up with the most delusional statement of all - Apple is doomed.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By themaster08 on 7/31/2010 5:27:06 AM , Rating: 2
I must have seen you post that same drivel at least 5 times.

It's getting boring now, Tony. Please post something else.


By Tony Swash on 7/31/2010 11:35:15 AM , Rating: 2
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Please post something else.


The reason I think its worth reposting occasionally is that many people here post the same old drivel ("Apple is doomed", "Apple can only sell products because people are conned/stupid" etc) about Apple so the same old response seems appropriate.

Perhaps if there were a few more thoughtful and dare I say original comments about Apple around we could get a real debate going.

Currently the consensus on this site seems to that Apple's string of very successful product launches over the last decade or so is some sort of irritating mystery, in fact the success of Apple is a very interesting question worthy of analysis.

Why do you think Apple is so successful?
(And do try to avoid the non sequiturs I critiqued in my comment.)


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Taft12 on 7/30/2010 10:56:46 AM , Rating: 2
MS is a company in decline, but you do realize I hope that a mammoth company can have more than different teams for different products...

This news story is the least surprising news you will read today. 3-years-late-to-the-party has been MS mantra for over a decade now (see Zune, XBox, Bing, Windows Mobile, ...)

Catch up has been the only game they have played for quite some time (and frankly the results have been terrible across the board)


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By StevoLincolnite on 7/30/2010 11:53:10 AM , Rating: 2
Xbox is playing catch up? To what? Last I heard they were selling well, and making good profit.
Xbox did bring with it many firsts, for instance Console online gaming, cables that "Snapped" away if you pulled on them to hard, and they DID beat Sony and Nintendo to market with this Generation of systems (Just in-case you were meaning it literally).


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By OUits on 7/30/2010 12:12:37 PM , Rating: 2
While I don't disagree with anything you've said here, I think he's referring to the N64 PS1 generation.

IMO, Microsoft hit the console market just in time for it to really go mainstream "must have in your living room" thing. If MS never launched a console we would probably have seen a Gamecube 2 or something... ugh.


By sviola on 7/30/2010 1:15:51 PM , Rating: 2
Well, your opinion regarding consoles is much on the Apple-Iphone-Ipad thing, they were with a good product at the right time.

(even if most here don't like Apple or its policies, it is a good product, albeit its shotcomings - I myself wouldn't buy one, because of the price, here it U$1000, and the policies)


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Tony Swash on 7/31/2010 1:26:14 AM , Rating: 2
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Xbox is playing catch up? To what? Last I heard they were selling well, and making good profit.


MS spent billions to make a few million in profits with the Xbox. If Xbox had been a stand alone business it would have gone bust. Now its is making a small profit but with no prospect of ever recouping the investment. Why? What on earth will MS get out of this? Claims that it gets MS into people's living rooms is fine except MS doesn't know what to do when it gets its foot in the door. Pathetic


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By themaster08 on 7/31/2010 5:18:24 AM , Rating: 2
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MS spent billions to make a few million in profits with the Xbox. If Xbox had been a stand alone business it would have gone bust. Now its is making a small profit but with no prospect of ever recouping the investment.
That's typical of what happens when a company enters a multi-billion dollar business with a fickle consumer base. Now that the Xbox platform is profitable, it will continue to be so, at least for this generation, and especially with the new model and Kinect. Microsoft can now work on maximising those profits as they are doing.

The last time I heard, Sony were still making a loss on the PlayStation 3 after 3 generations in the business. Is that more "pathetic" than the Xbox platform? The console market is hit or miss. Haven't you noticed that by now?

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Claims that it gets MS into people's living rooms is fine except MS doesn't know what to do when it gets its foot in the door. Pathetic
I suppose that's why they offer the best online console gaming experience bar none, that people are willing to pay for, and what Sony are now trying to replicate. Or perhaps why they are coming up with ideas like Kinect to invigorate their platform.

Your dislike of Microsoft is as tranparent as a glass window. I find it slightly hypocritical since you're quick to disrepute anyone showing any negative opinion towards Apple, accusing them of having TAC. Perhaps you have MAC, not meaning the computer either.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Tony Swash on 7/31/2010 4:04:04 PM , Rating: 2
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Your dislike of Microsoft is as tranparent as a glass window.


Its true I do dislike Microsoft and its products and do take great pleasure from them stumbling. But that does not change the fact that the Xbox is not a very successful business.

Given the scale of their investments the return on capital for MS has been derisory.

That would be OK if the Xbox opened the door to strategic opportunities that MS knew how to take advantage of but I cannot see any evidence that they are capable of doing so. Gaming is an OK market but if the Xbox were a true strategic initiative it should open up opportunities for MS beyond gaming and it hasn't really done that or if it has then MS has missed them.

Ten years ago MS explicitly set out to be the middleware brokers for all online content. The Xbox was planned as part of that initiative. Given their monopoly dominance of the desktop and their huge profile in server system software MS had all the components to take control of the online content middleware. They failed utterly to do that. They are nowhere in music, e-books, video delivery, mobile content, content creation and tablets.

The MS business is till just Windows and Office - take those away and they would be a marginal failing business. The windows office business is still very profitable and big but for how long? MS have tried and tried to break out and build new business areas that could generate similar large profits and they failed to do so. Bing, Xbox, Zune, mobile - all make peanuts. Its a colossal strategic failure. Which makes me very happy indeed.


By robinthakur on 8/2/2010 7:50:59 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with most of your points, but do not dislike MS particularly, they are a victim of a lack of leadership and innovation which seems hard to believe with all those incredibly gifted people working for them. For all their success with Windows 7 and their server products, they have dropped the ball spectacularly on their other products like the Zune, Windows Live, Xbox, WiMo, Kin and Vista. This has not gone unnoticed by other people within the tech industry, business or those merely reporting on it. No company is immune to spectacular failures however (even Apple with the iPhone 4 fiasco, and that was a relatively minor defect aside from the TAC hysteria and their poor PR) so it is also to do with people's expectations, and the expectation with MS currently is that for anything more consumer entertainment-centric, that you should avoid it, in general.

The Xbox is a funny one. The first Xbox was dropped unceremoniously (I owned one) as soon as the 360 went on sale due to the cost of manufacture, and the 360 suffered the RROD issue which was a PR fiasco costing MS upwards of $1 billion to make amends (note not 'put right') I also own a 360.

The Xbox might be making profit now on a yearly basis, but in comparison to the investment that's been sunk into it I can't imagine its going to be in the black anytime soon even with people buying things through Micro-transactions etc. which has got to annoy the shareholders. All you need is for Nintendo to come out with a new version of the Wii, and both Xbox and Sony will have to revision their hardware to stay fresh which costs billions in R&D and might lead to one or both of them leaving the sector. Sony are making a profit now on the PS3 hardware incidentally. The whole strategy of the oft mentioned box in the living room concept was that MS devices are used with it i.e. you own an xbox, Zune, WiMo phone and run a Vista/W7 pc and you generate a profit on that user environment. With most people in the real world using Apple kit for the things which generate the real revenue streams, MS is losing out.

The public will not have confidence in MS consumer electronics again (which sadly includes Windows Phone 7 -already looking like a poorly thought out and planned also-ran OS developed within a vacuum, and its not even launched) until they put forward a comprehensive strategy and stick to it, and stop cancelling products once they have already hit the market, which frightens consumers. Whether you like Apple or not, when you buy an iPhone you know that they will support it with OS upgrades for years easily and reliably through iTunes. MS also need to dip their hands into their pockets and come up with a decent marketing campaign which doesn't alienate potential clients. They also need to replace Balmer; as has been proved many times, he no longer inspires confidence he only articulates their weakness, and his name is synonymous with certain catastrophes of the past MS would prefer to forget about.

I wouldn't say it makes me happy that MS are fumbling around in the dust to regain the ground lost to Google and Apple in certain major areas, competition is only a good thing unless MS, significantly, stops trying to compete in those areas and just concentrates on growing the areas of its core business which are proven to be profitable.


By W00dmann on 7/30/2010 11:54:07 AM , Rating: 5
My theory on Microsoft is that corporate culture flows from the top, and Bill Gates was an engineer first and foremost, a true uber-geek. As a result, Microsoft excels at developing "serious", corporate-type products (Windows, Office, SQL Server...). Nothing wrong with that of course - they are highly successful at what they do, and did a great job on Windows 7 - but as a result, they struggle enormously when it comes to developing "hip, cool" consumer devices. Zune is a prime example of a functional, yet dull / unexciting product. An engineer would love it; a teenager would not. Their Windows phone seems to be following in this trend, from what I've seen. And look at their "strategy" for getting into the tablet space: why, we'll just bolt Windows 7 into a tablet! Done!

I wish them success, but I have my doubts as to whether they will be able to think themselves out of their own rigid, highly defined, square box.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By alifbaa on 7/30/2010 11:05:12 AM , Rating: 2
I remember when Gates said the internet was just a fad (1998ish?). I'm pretty sure they've been playing catch up to the consumer's wishes since then. It just took this long for other competitors to gain enough strength to compete.

Microsoft is a paid OS company in a world defined by decreasing relevance of OS's and people who aren't willing to pay for software. They sat back and watched as palm pilots, then MP3 players, mobile phones and now tablets became critical computing devices. Meanwhile, they sat on XP for the better part of a decade without making any meaningful advances.

Until Microsoft can put attach a date to a modern, innovative feature list; they're nothing but talk.


By drycrust3 on 7/30/2010 12:42:24 PM , Rating: 2
Legend has it that Bill Gates would never accept an email unless it had bad news in it because it is soooo easy for the underlings to just push forward the good news.
My guess is that tablets and phones will soon merge, so why not have an OS that can do both? Sure, the requirements for a phone are currently different from a tablet, but from a software point of view a phone is really a cheap tablet.
As it is, my guess is that Microsoft have missed the boat completely because malware is becoming a major issue and people don't want to be constantly fighting rearguard actions.
To me their next OS should be something along the lines of a Linux distribution where the average user doesn't need to have an Antivirus package.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By pxavierperez on 7/30/2010 11:24:14 AM , Rating: 1
in the meantime, reports from Europe to Australia claimed no issue with iPhone 4 antenna pointing out that the problem is exclusive only to the US. but then again the US' mobile infrastructure is still in the stone ages compared to the rest of the world.

and no surprise microsoft will copy apple. everyone in the pc world copy apple. now the mobile industry is copying apple. there are no hight tech companies in the WinPC world that are as innovative as apple.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Mitch101 on 7/30/2010 12:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
Mobile 7 is not a copy of iPhone (aka touch screen Windows 3.1 icon desktop on a phone). They look nothing alike.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/2010 12:27:54 PM , Rating: 1
yeah, right, and the lack of multitasking and copy/paste is also nothing alike? come on, your excuses are sooo thin :)))


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Mitch101 on 7/30/2010 12:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
I dont need true multitasking on a phone it would just kill battery life. I actually agree with Apple decision to keep flash off the iPhone its a waste of CPU/battery in most applications. BTW your iPhone doesnt have true multitasking either. Im willing to trade multitasking for more battery life.

copy/paste? Is this the best you can do for an argument? I think Microsoft would have no issue creating the same copy/paste funtion found in my blackberry or I could write the app to add it as a menu function similar to the blackberry.

What else you got? How about a signal? No bars awe theres a rubber band to fix that.


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Pirks on 7/30/2010 12:51:01 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I dont need true multitasking on a phone
Now you technogeeks changed the tune and rotated 180 degrees, I remember DT forums crying that lousy iPhone does not have true multitasking and hence it sucks. Too late to backpedal buddy :P
quote:
copy/paste? Is this the best you can do for an argument?
Two arguments showing how exactly MS copies Apple is more than enough for ya
quote:
I think Microsoft would have
You think they would, they would you could, blah blah. Whatever you think what one could and would - this doesn't change hard cold facts :P


RE: "Job one urgency" is the tablet? WTF?!
By Mitch101 on 7/30/2010 1:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
I dont recall ever stating without multitasking the phone would suck and I dont represent everyone on the DT forums. I rather like Apple's take on it with the freeze. I dont want my phone battery dying because I left something running in background. I could care less about multitasking on a phone with a screen size of 4.3 inches.

Apple invented Copy/Paste? Im not following you here its an easy fix. I could say Apple is copying my Blackberry.

Your judging a device that isnt available yet. I doubt youve even watched a single Mobile 7 video otherwise you might have some positive things to say about it but I suspect since Microsoft name is on it you automatically think it has problems.

BTW did you finally find a place to stand to get that signal yet or does your iPhone need to wear a condom.


By Pirks on 7/30/2010 1:36:50 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I rather like Apple's take on it with the freeze
Great, so now you contradicted your own phrase above "Hype can only carry you so far", so will you backpedal now or what? ;)
quote:
Apple invented Copy/Paste?
No, it's MS copying Apple's lack of one in the first versions of iOS.
quote:
does your iPhone
My Nokia phone feels alright, thank you.


By sviola on 7/30/2010 1:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry, but Apple did not invent any of the things they sell. They were all available before (PC, Smartphone, PMP, Touchscreen, Tablets, all existed before any of Apple's products), what Apple did was just give it a shiny package and market it as the best thing since sliced bread.


By Solandri on 7/31/2010 12:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is just plain embarrassing. Is it just me, or is it odd that Microsoft is continually playing a desperate game of catch-up these days?

Microsoft has always played catch-up. They were just much better at it in the old days. They're not a company that comes up with many new ideas. They look at what's new in the market, and see what seems to be working well (they're very good at this). Then they cook up an imitation, and try to add things to it to make it better than the original. In the old days many of their imitations exceeded the originals and came to dominate the market. (Nothing wrong with doing it this way - the Romans were masters of it.)

Mac OS -> Windows
Unix -> NT
WordPerfect -> Word
Lotus 123 -> Excel
Stacker -> integrated disk compression in Windows
Netscape -> Internet Explorer
Apache -> IIS
AOL/Compuserve -> MSN (this one failed when the Internet beat them all)
Quicken -> Money (not very successful)
Pagemaker -> Publisher
Postscript / Adobe Type 1 fonts -> TrueType (with Apple)
Yahoo mail -> Hotmail (bought the company)
Dreamweaver -> FrontPage (bought the company)
OpenGL / 3dFx Glide -> Direct3D
PS2 -> Xbox
Zen / MuVo / iPod -> Zune
Palm / Blackberry - > Windows Mobile

Most of the products where they were the originators, they just bought the company which originally made the product: optical mouse, Powerpoint, DOS (bought the rights to the product, not the company), Flight Simulator. About the only innovative products I can think of which they brewed from the ground up are Outlook and Kinect. OneNote is pretty good too, but not many people use it.


Looking forward to a Windows-based tablet
By TerranMagistrate on 7/30/2010 9:55:23 AM , Rating: 2
Making PowerPoint slides or editing an Excel spreadsheet on a highly portable and sleek tablet seems rather useful. Portability being the primary selling point.

quote:
(the iPad uses a variant of the same tweaked and stripped down version of OS X found in the iPad)


I see...




RE: Looking forward to a Windows-based tablet
By Flunk on 7/30/2010 10:51:51 AM , Rating: 5
That doesn't suprise me. Jason Mick often publishes stories with small mistakes just like Jason Mick


By mcnabney on 7/30/2010 10:56:56 AM , Rating: 2
snerk


RE: Looking forward to a Windows-based tablet
By Taft12 on 7/30/2010 10:59:50 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't seem very useful to me - why wouldn't you be doing that on a laptop which is almost as portable and more appropriate for editing office apps?

Love the hilarious Mickism you found there! My iPad for an news editor!!


By sviola on 7/30/2010 11:34:24 AM , Rating: 2
Isn't Brandon one of the editors of DT?


Then you shouldn't have cancelled Courier
By piroroadkill on 7/30/2010 10:07:45 AM , Rating: 5
Not that complicated. Courier was well received in the previews. Even if it didn't function exactly like that, the form factor was pretty goddamn awesome.




RE: Then you shouldn't have cancelled Courier
By acer905 on 7/30/2010 12:28:25 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if you liked courier, check out the Toshiba Libretto set to launch soon. http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/libretto

From what i've read, they made it simply because they could, not really caring much if many sell. They just wanted to make something fun


By sviola on 7/30/2010 1:31:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well, why does the pictures of the screen content remind me of Courier?

The libretto does run Windows, so Courier may have been just a software testing plataform for upcoming double screen devices... (note that I didn't look to deep into the product, so it may not work like the courier videos)


Word
By damianrobertjones on 7/30/2010 9:45:19 AM , Rating: 2
"It's no secret that Microsoft's tablet efforts are somewhat of a mess right now. "

Microsoft doesn't make tablets? Plus, how can they be in a mess when nearly no-one purchased them in the first place?

Sure, you had the fantastic HP TC1100, the reasonable Asus R2h/Samsung Q1 UMPC/Mids, the usual stuff from Toshiba and Acer, but there wasn't really any tablets out there. Motion price themselves out and Archos produced the really, really poor Archos 9.

There's not really a mess to be 'in'.

Anyway, I've just sold a Latitude XT and Acer 1820ptz and although they were both great machines, they both sat there while I used my main pc (with projector). I'd prefer a proper laptop at the end of the day, even though I REALLY like the Tbalet format (I've owned 13 different tablets :) )




RE: Word
By Taft12 on 7/30/2010 11:02:53 AM , Rating: 2
Oh it's a mess alright. Nearly no-one purchased them because the offerings on the market sucked. People are buying tablets hand-over-fist right now, but only one model. This is another market trend MS missed the boat on, and another one where they will scramble to release a product that will not be as well received as what the first-to-market competition offers.


RE: Word
By mcnabney on 7/30/2010 11:11:57 AM , Rating: 2
They missed the boat because efforts to jam their monopoly (windows) required too much power and bloat. That made the devices too big and inefficient. Microsoft-based tablet were just big laptops with touchscreens. They never got the idea through their thick heads that consumers might want something smaller. All they had to do was look at the mobile phone market. People like slim and simple. Startac, Razr, iPhone. All sleek, slim and hugely popular. Because they couldn't cram Windows into a small, low-power form factor they just fiddled with the laptop platform.

/still think iPad is worthless due to the locked-down nature of it


By morphologia on 7/30/2010 3:01:55 PM , Rating: 3
Anyone else think Ballmer looks an awful lot like Gargamel? It can't just be me who thinks that...

Anyway, calling the iPad a "tablet" is almost as facetious as calling the iPod a "pocket computer." The iPad is a multimedia entertainment device...essentially an electronic toy. For it to be a proper tablet it would need much better functionality in software other than music and video players and internet browsers. Not to mention multitasking support and more connectorization. Real tablets have been in use in various scientific, medical and academic fields for the better part of a decade now, with full-fledged operating systems including full office suites, not some glorifies smartphone interface.




may want to change..
By omnicronx on 7/30/2010 11:04:36 AM , Rating: 2
(the iPad uses a variant of the same tweaked and stripped down version of OS X found in the iPad )

Going to guess you meant iPhone.




MS Tablets are expensive
By phatboye on 7/30/2010 11:15:46 AM , Rating: 2
I've wanted a Tablet PC for years ever since they first came out, unfortunately it seems every Tablet PC with windows on it that I've ever came across was priced way above what I can afford. I think the cheapest one I've ever saw was around $1200. I went to on of those Dell Kiosk that they had in the mall once and was told from the guy working their that Dell at the time only sold Tablet PCs from their online store and that the cheapest one they had was $2500.

I will start to invest in Tablet PCs with MS windows on them once they start to come down in price.




Huh ?
By wempa on 7/30/2010 12:15:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

(the iPad uses a variant of the same tweaked and stripped down version of OS X found in the iPad)


I assume the 2nd one was supposed to be iPhone ?




Redundancy
By boushidosan on 7/30/2010 12:46:34 PM , Rating: 2
(the iPad uses a variant of the same tweaked and stripped down version of OS X found in the iPad). . .

I kept reading that over and over and over lol, I think it should iphone maybe?




What?
By rburnham on 7/30/2010 1:29:49 PM , Rating: 2
Of course Apple is beating Microsoft at Tablets, considering Microsoft doesn't actually have a tablet out yet. That's a dumb statement to make.




The Touch Revolution
By Tony Swash on 7/31/2010 12:16:40 PM , Rating: 2
The move from the desktop/mouse interface to the couch/mobile/touch interface is as big as the transformation of PC's by the GUI 25 years ago. That revolution was pioneered by Apple as well.

The touch revolution started by Apple has been rolled out in a pitch perfect development cycle.

First Apple spent a long time developing a very robust and extendible software foundations for their touch products - i.e. MacOSX.

Then they thought a long time about the interface issues which go much deeper than skin deep and are actually about an entirely new computing metaphor and interface. Apple are very good at this.

Then they launched nothing until it was truly market ready, they could have pitched a half finished iPhone into the market two years earlier but chose not too.

iPhone V1 was a crucial step as it demonstrated the viability of the touch interface but even more importantly is began to educate and acclimatise people to the new interface of touch. Later when the iPad came out there were millions of people who knew how to use it immediately.

The iPod Touch added hugely to the touch user baser by bringing it to all all those people who didn't want to commit to a phone. Plus it was a lot cheaper.

Then once they had a self evident success in the iPhone V1 and had thus created a new market for developers they rolled out the App Store and Xcode for touch devices. This created a huge developer community almost over night, and added huge value to their product. Still no one has caught Apple in terms of the size of their developer community or number of Apps.

Rather than rushing out lots of confusing and probably inferior touch products Apple concentrated for two years on honing the iOS version of MacOSX, improving the hardware, and building the now global community of touch users.

Then they launched the affordable iPad. Criticised as being just a big iPod Touch (which was like saying a swimming pool is just a big bath tub) the iPad showed the true potential of the new touch computing and quickly became the most successful tech launch of all time. Touch had finally arrived big time.

Apple have learned the bitter lessons of relative failure after they launched the GUI revolution in 1984 when they let competitors catch them and then push them into almost obscurity. This time it is clear that Apple has a very comprehensive and long term strategic road map and that Steve Jobs does not intend to be caught again. By the time that Android or Microsoft match iPad version 1 Apple will be onto iPad V2 or 3

It is also likely that they have have further surprises awaiting us.

Apple are going to be almost impossible to catch during the acceleration phase of the touch revolution.

What exciting times these are. I am old enough to remember the GUI revolution and this feels just as much fun.




Late news?
By roostitup on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: Late news?
By roostitup on 7/30/10, Rating: -1
RE: Late news?
By amanojaku on 7/30/2010 10:38:31 AM , Rating: 5
You're getting rated down because your complaints about DT's late articles are of a similar vein as Facebook users complaining about a lack of privacy. You're voluntarily visiting this site; you could just go somewhere else. I don't visit DT for the articles any more. I visit to see what other users say, because I find user posts can be (but usually aren't) more informative than even the source articles DT links to. And when they aren't informative they're usually funny.


RE: Late news?
By chmilz on 7/30/2010 10:54:45 AM , Rating: 3
Mediocre site. Best forum on the web. 'Nuff said.


RE: Late news?
By InvertMe on 7/30/2010 11:02:45 AM , Rating: 2
Voicing his opinion on a valid concern should not be rated down. Not that ratings here matter. So many people have rating socks that makes ratings a joke.

I am surprised more people don't complain about Jason's plagiarism more than anything else. He seems like an unethical DB to me. I find it amazing when people actually defend his horrible/stolen articles.


RE: Late news?
By roostitup on 7/30/2010 7:30:26 PM , Rating: 2
If you're coming here for the forums and thinking they are worthwhile, than you sir are a dousche bag. 95% of the forum comments on here are a complete waste of time to read and it's even more of a waste of time to weed through them for the intelligent comments. At least my original comment was geared towards helping point out a reasonable flaw, unlike most.


RE: Late news?
By pxavierperez on 7/30/2010 11:13:10 AM , Rating: 1
because it takes time for Jason Mick to copy paste from other legit news source.

if you are expecting real journalism i suggest visiting other websites.


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