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Undersea cable owners still won't speculate on cause of cable cuts

Reports are coming in this morning that a fifth undersea fiber optic cable was severed in the Middle East. However, by several accounts, the fifth cable cut is actually a second cut on a different segment of the FALCON cable. How exactly these cables are being cut is still unknown, though Egyptian officials maintain a ship didn’t cause the breakages near the port of Alexandria.

The saga of cut cables and lost bandwidth began on January 23 when the Flag Telecoms FALCON undersea fiber optic cable near the Egyptian port of Alexandria was severed. On January 30 another cable called the SeaMeWe-4 (South East Asia-Middle East- Western Europe-4) cable was cut according to the Khaleej Times Online. Egyptian officials said that a review of ship traffic in the area at the time of the breakage precludes the damage being caused by a ships anchor.

Khaleej Times Online reports that on February 1 another cut appeared in the FALCON cable, which resulted in severe disruption of data service in the Gulf region. The rundown of cut cables in the region includes the FLAG Europe-Asia cable near Alexandria, FALCON near Bandar Abbas in Iran, SeaMeWe-4 near Alexandria, SeaMeWe-4 near Penang, Malaysia, and FLAG near the Dubai coast.

Mahesh Jaishanker executive director of Business Development and Marketing for TeleGeography is quoted by the Khaleej Times Online as saying, “The submarine cable cuts in FLAG Europe-Asia cable 8.3km away from Alexandria, Egypt and SeaMeWe-4 affected at least 60 million users in India, 12 million in Pakistan, six million in Egypt and 4.7 million in Saudi Arabia.”

DailyTech reported that the first pair of cables were severed on January 31, followed by a third cut undersea cable on February 4, and a fourth cut cable on February 5. 



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Iran
By TomZ on 2/6/2008 11:25:25 AM , Rating: 3
Copied from the last article on this subject...

By BuckNaked on 2/6/2008 1:44:48 AM , Rating: 2

Interesting to see who is being affected the most...

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm

Great observation BuckNaked!




RE: Iran
By TomZ on 2/6/2008 11:27:31 AM , Rating: 3
RE: Iran
By FITCamaro on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran
By retrospooty on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran
By Alias1431 on 2/7/2008 3:07:24 AM , Rating: 5
Oh no! What will we do now that all our customer service calls can't be routed to India?!?


RE: Iran
By killerroach on 2/6/2008 11:47:05 AM , Rating: 5
You have to wonder, though... if that is the case, which side would it be coming from? One has to admit, such a cut of Internet access to Iran would probably be seen as a preservation of Islamic cultural values from the excesses of the West...

I don't quite get the CIA theory, mainly because of the fact that India's getting hit pretty good by this cut too, and something tells me that India would be about the last country one would want to anger in that region. Granted, nobody seems to credit the CIA for brilliant thinking...


RE: Iran
By P4blo on 2/6/2008 12:04:28 PM , Rating: 1
The impact upon Inda could be unavoidable. Most countries have multiple links to the outside world and it could be the only way to completely cut off Ahmadinnerjacket and his cronies from the Western Internet is to hack through every fibre line that might / could carry Iranian traffic. At the sime time this could be severing lines that are utilised by other nations.

This is all supposition but when you look at TomZ's link it does seem like Iranian isolation is the goal as that's the only nation to reach this result.


RE: Iran
By bpurkapi on 2/6/2008 12:20:04 PM , Rating: 5
Why does everyone think Ahmadinejad is important? He is a puppet to the higher ups. A quick breakdown of actual responsibilities and powers from Wikipedia:

Ayatollah Ali Khameni: The Supreme Leader of Iran is responsible for delineation and supervision of the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran.[69] The Supreme Leader is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, controls the military intelligence and security operations; and has sole power to declare war or peace.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: The President is responsible for the implementation of the Constitution and for the exercise of executive powers, except for matters directly related to the Supreme Leader, who has the final say in all matters.


RE: Iran
By P4blo on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran
By retrospooty on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran
By encryptkeeper on 2/7/08, Rating: 0
RE: Iran
By qwertyz on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: Iran
By dnd728 on 2/6/2008 12:56:16 PM , Rating: 2
Actually... there *is* someone who can...

Hint:
http://www.oldschoolreviews.com/rev_20/kid.htm


RE: Iran
By tjr508 on 2/6/2008 3:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
What about Paul Allen? He's a twisted tech guy and I hear he has his own submarine.


RE: Iran
By tjr508 on 2/6/2008 4:59:01 PM , Rating: 2
Follow up:

He also has "several former Navy Seals."

http://www.yachtcrew-cv.com/paulallen.htm


RE: Iran
By elessar1 on 2/6/2008 12:29:49 PM , Rating: 2
<conspiracy theory>
First Step before going to war: make your enemy blind...
</conspiracy theory>

And yes....it will bring the oils prices up, even when inventories are high in the states...

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUST3...


RE: Iran
By VahnTitrio on 2/6/2008 12:36:35 PM , Rating: 4
One thing is for sure; whoever is doing this has a pretty good idea what they are doing. They have to have pretty reliable information about these cables, and even with GPS coordinates being able to exactly locate and damage these cables is no small feat, much less doing so undetected (at least undetected as far as we know).


RE: Iran
By Spuke on 2/6/2008 12:45:23 PM , Rating: 3
What I find most interesting is that this still able to be done while repairs are being made to the other cables. How is that possible?


RE: Iran
By Christopher1 on 2/9/2008 4:39:15 PM , Rating: 1
Because these cables, if I am remembering correctly, are in an area where a lot of ships come through, and a ship temporarily stopping would not be seen as 'strange'.


RE: Iran
By tmouse on 2/6/2008 12:49:03 PM , Rating: 3
Yes Florida and Wisconsin are also prime targets, please there are MANY routers out all through that area. This type of speculation is less than worthless. Lets take a drop of information and blow it totally out of proportion.


RE: Iran
By Ammohunt on 2/11/2008 3:52:17 PM , Rating: 2
you cut the cable in one place. Then you cut it somewhere else and install a device that can "listen in" on traffic while others attempt to repair it.


RE: Iran
By Machinegear on 2/6/2008 12:49:34 PM , Rating: 5
With no internet (or easy access to porn), expect the burcas to come off. *woot*


RE: Iran
By TSS on 2/6/2008 4:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
i'm not so sure i'd want that, in many cases i'd think those burcas are more to protect us from them instead of them from us, if ya know what i mean.

this'll all probably turn out to be budget cuts anyway.


Play Nice
By mrteddyears on 2/6/2008 11:34:45 AM , Rating: 2
Do you think this has anything to do with the price of oil ???




RE: Play Nice
By freethrowtommy on 2/6/2008 11:55:14 AM , Rating: 5
Nope... but i am guessing the price of gas will go up. Seems to do that every time something happens, even if it has no relation to oil.


RE: Play Nice
By FITCamaro on 2/6/2008 1:06:26 PM , Rating: 5
"It was announced today that a kitty was seen crossing the border into Iraq. It is not clear as to what ties the kitty has to Al Queda. The price of oil climbed 50 cents a barrel when this news was released. It will likely continue to rise until the allegiance of the kitty is known."


RE: Play Nice
By rcc on 2/6/2008 1:28:01 PM , Rating: 3
Was the kitty persian? Himalayan, tabby? We need more info!


RE: Play Nice
By Noya on 2/6/2008 9:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
It was actually Siamese.


RE: Play Nice
By BladeVenom on 2/6/2008 4:17:16 PM , Rating: 2
Shhh! That was the CIA spy cat.


RE: Play Nice
By JimmyC on 2/7/2008 11:24:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do you think this has anything to do with the price of oil ???

The first rule of Project Mayhem is you don't ask questions.


IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By thornburg on 2/6/2008 1:26:30 PM , Rating: 5
For those of you all reading the report that shows Iran offline, it is based on ONE router in Iran. Try to get to the Iranian government or universities or any other Iranian site. Most of them are up and running fine.

A bunch of people over at Slashdot did the background work to make sure that at least some of those sites are hosted within Iran, thus confirming that Iran does, indeed have internet access.

Note to the online community: Non-island nations cannot have their either internet access cut off by undersea cable cuts. They use overland and/or underground cables as well.




RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By Ratinator on 2/6/2008 1:49:35 PM , Rating: 1
Note to the online community: Apparently thornburg thinks there is an overland/underground connection between North America and Asia/Europe. Did I miss something....some continental drift that I was not aware of that has made it possible to connect Iran to North America via an overland or underground cable?


RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By onefastfreak on 2/6/2008 2:28:50 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, you did miss something (I'm sure he'll inform you exactly what it is later). I'm sure they probably have backup lines laid all the way up through Canada and Alaska then on down through Russia, China, India and every XYZ-Stan in existence JUST for instances like this... makes sense to me!


RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By Ratinator on 2/6/2008 2:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
Even if they went through Alaska to Russia, there is still about 100 km stretch of water which I highly doubt they would go overland(above water) with. The cost would be extreme compared to just laying on the ocean bed.


RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By sviola on 2/6/2008 3:00:34 PM , Rating: 4
Have you ever heard of satellite internet? More than a few poor countries only have access to the internet through satellite links.

Believing that Iran is cutoff from internet is naive. Besides underwater connection, Iran is linked to China (which has access to the internet) and Russia (which is linked to Europe through the ground).


RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By Ratinator on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By thornburg on 2/6/2008 3:43:45 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Note to the online community: Apparently thornburg thinks there is an overland/underground connection between North America and Asia/Europe. Did I miss something....some continental drift that I was not aware of that has made it possible to connect Iran to North America via an overland or underground cable?


Since you asked, what you missed is that you can't cut off Iran from North America without also cutting off the rest of Asia and Europe...

My point was very clear: Except for an island nation, you cannot cut off a single nation by itself from the rest of the internet with merely undersea cable cuts.


RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By Ratinator on 2/6/08, Rating: 0
RE: IRAN IS NOT OFFLINE
By Ratinator on 2/6/08, Rating: 0
I broke the dam.
By Techno Pride on 2/6/2008 11:43:49 AM , Rating: 5
I broke the dam.




RE: I broke the dam.
By FITCamaro on 2/6/2008 12:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
Great South Park reference.


RE: I broke the dam.
By Slug on 2/6/2008 12:41:58 PM , Rating: 2
No, I broke the dam.


RE: I broke the dam.
By FITCamaro on 2/6/2008 12:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
I broke the f*cking dam!


RE: I broke the dam.
By SlyNine on 2/6/2008 5:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
No. Whats important now, Is figuring out who's to BLAME.

I love that one.


Uh oh
By shaw on 2/6/2008 11:48:50 AM , Rating: 2
This summer, there will be no piece in the middle east.

Cloverfield 2!




RE: Uh oh
By SilthDraeth on 2/6/2008 12:02:32 PM , Rating: 2
Do you mean peace, or piece?


RE: Uh oh
By masher2 (blog) on 2/6/2008 12:22:50 PM , Rating: 5
"All I want is Peace! ...A little piece of Poland....a little piece of France...."


RE: Uh oh
By Spivonious on 2/6/2008 12:47:05 PM , Rating: 2
It's springtime for Hitler and Germany/
Winter for Poland and France/

lol


Sigh...
By amanojaku on 2/6/2008 11:33:02 AM , Rating: 4
I TOLD you not to run with scissors!

Seriously, though, my gut says this has got to be deliberate. I worked for a fiber provider giving service all over the globe and we never saw this many cuts in so short a time span.




RE: Sigh...
By Screwballl on 2/6/2008 11:59:34 AM , Rating: 2
agreed... one cut is an accident, a second may also be deemed an accident but multiple cuts in the same areas in a short timeframe like this lends to the conspiracy theory...


RE: Sigh...
By Polynikes on 2/6/2008 1:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
You mean swim with scissors? :)


RE: Sigh...
By amanojaku on 2/6/2008 3:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
So it was YOU ! :)


To the Iran Conspiracy Theorists
By MayDayComputers on 2/6/2008 11:42:39 AM , Rating: 1
Check out other parts of the world.
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/europe.htm - Germany Cutoff
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm - Florida

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it past the U.S. to do that. ( And I live here )




By SilthDraeth on 2/6/2008 12:02:04 PM , Rating: 5
Florida doesn't have the internet.


By blowfish on 2/6/2008 12:08:16 PM , Rating: 2
The possible difference being that only one of many routers to Germany shows as being out, whereas there is noly one router shown to Iran. Might give the Iranians some food for thought, especially now with Russia seemingly changing their attitude towards them.


By nothingtoseehere on 2/6/2008 1:41:58 PM , Rating: 2
Let's state the obvious: I can say with pretty high certainty that not all of Florida is cut off...


timeline
By CU on 2/6/2008 12:35:14 PM , Rating: 4
It would be nice to have coordinates of the cuts and time they were cut so we could see if it looks random or if something is just moving along in a pattern and cutting them.

Would also be nice to find out what the cuts and surrounding area look like. ie ripped apart, clean cut, drag marks on sea floor.




RE: timeline
By Ringold on 2/6/2008 2:39:12 PM , Rating: 4
My money is on it looking like one big planetary smiley face.

Or perhaps a crescent moon.

Or a pentagram.


RE: timeline
By onefastfreak on 2/6/2008 3:53:06 PM , Rating: 2
I'll second the smiley face vote... International terrorists always leave a "HA HA HA, told ya so!" marker


Wow, this is getting creepy
By slashbinslashbash on 2/6/2008 11:24:08 AM , Rating: 4
Whoever's doing it must have a good idea of what they're doing. This is kind of like watching a horror movie where people keep getting killed off and nobody has the slightest clue what to do about it.

60M without service in India? That's going to affect some outsourced customer service.




By therealnickdanger on 2/6/2008 11:27:50 AM , Rating: 2
"Affected users" doesn't mean they don't have service... I don't think, but their connection is probably slower or they experience random down time.


RE: Wow, this is getting creepy
By FITCamaro on 2/6/2008 12:39:12 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
That's going to affect some outsourced customer service.


Darn it might drive companies to move jobs here back to the states where the internet is more reliable.


JJ Abrams Promotion...
By Blood1 on 2/6/2008 11:42:05 AM , Rating: 3
Could be another promotion to bring Cloverfield to the MiddleEast in releasing the movie. Giant monster moving towards the theaters.
Are there any reports on how these are actually cut. Did anyone look at the severed cables and go on this is either a bite mark or caused by fishing dragging nets or and anchor...




RE: JJ Abrams Promotion...
By Spivonious on 2/6/2008 1:28:25 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah I'd think looking at the cuts would give a lot of evidence as to what is causing this. Clean cut versus ragged edge, stretch marks on the cable, giant underwater sea monster, etc.


RE: JJ Abrams Promotion...
By winterspan on 2/8/2008 5:35:47 AM , Rating: 2
HAHAAH. thanks for the laugh


Emergency cable?!
By GoodBytes on 2/6/08, Rating: 0
RE: Emergency cable?!
By Vinnybcfc on 2/6/2008 12:15:15 PM , Rating: 2
And instead of the article saying 5 cables cut it would be 10 cables cut or however emergency cables are in place.

This is near enough unavoidable if someone is taking the cables out.


RE: Emergency cable?!
By Wightout on 2/6/2008 2:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
Man did you use way too many commas there...


RE: Emergency cable?!
By CrazyBernie on 2/6/2008 2:14:07 PM , Rating: 4
Perhaps it was to support his "too many is better than not enough" theory. ^_^


Slightly misleading...
By Muirgheasa on 2/6/2008 12:18:56 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone else think the use of the word "severed" is a little misleading? The fact is that the connection was broken, but saying the cable was severed implies some guy with a big clippers chopping it in half. It could just as easily have been crushed, or snapped, or any number of other things. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but specific word meanings are kinda important in journalism...




RE: Slightly misleading...
By ninjit on 2/6/2008 12:35:20 PM , Rating: 5
Regardless of what actual "Physical" damage occured to the cables, the fact is that it "severed" the connection functionally.


Earthquake in the region.
By RobberBaron on 2/6/2008 1:30:33 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Earthquake in the region.
By VahnTitrio on 2/6/2008 2:48:15 PM , Rating: 2
I thought Seismic activity too but those cables should easily tolerate a 4.8 magnitude quake (I would find it hard to believe they'd even consider a cable for the region that couldn't stand up to about an 8.0). The telecommunication industry probably would have mentioned it as a likely cause as well if they believed it could be a cause.


RE: Earthquake in the region.
By BruceLeet on 2/6/2008 6:21:08 PM , Rating: 1
Imagine walking in the city streets, surrounded by high rise buildings and as you're walking an earthquake hits, its shaking the ground you lose your balance and your on the ground and it stops, you're ok and ready to get up and go but then something from a high rise like a statue, or a massive letter from a buildings name/logo, something big and heavy falls from a building and lands right on top of you, that was one rough 4.8 huh. I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm just saying its a possibility :P


By geddarkstorm on 2/7/2008 12:13:25 PM , Rating: 2
Then why has it never happened before? If you watch that area, seismicly, there are constantly earthquakes every day, and many of. So why 5 such events in such close order now? The probability of it being natural is so low it's off the chart, and if it was they'd have said.


Natural explanation?
By GreenEnvt on 2/6/2008 2:45:18 PM , Rating: 2
How close together are these cuts? Anyone know?
What if there is some undersea volcanic activity causing cable breaks? If they are close enough together this could be possible, but if they are spread out it's very unlikely.




RE: Natural explanation?
By Ringold on 2/6/2008 8:07:27 PM , Rating: 2
A natural cause is impossible.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/06/cut-four-unders...

If that map is accurate, a single natural event wouldn't of got it.

On the other hand, those are all 3 extremely busy shipping routes. Maybe a ship really was dragging something, or maybe the traffic created cover.

Possibly conspiracy theory: History Channel recently did a show on modern piracy. Apparently, huge container ships are boarded and raided almost constantly. On occasion, entire ships go missing. This doesn't get much attention because a) After the US and USSR ceased their Cold War naval patrols, nobody can really do much about it b) Local authorities are often in on it c) Attention could be bad for business. A few freighters sinking in the straits of hormuz would ruin the planets day.

So perhaps some group stole one, dropped anchor, and went on a joy ride?


RE: Natural explanation?
By Ringold on 2/6/2008 8:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
Nevermind, bad theory, unless the stolen freighter is the Millenium Falcon and can do the Oil Trade Run in under a day.


Who benefits?
By Eastport2007 on 2/6/2008 1:48:45 PM , Rating: 2
<<< Conpiracy Theory >>>

If Iran is the target, then it is Israel. We/They already can see/hear anything that isn't buried more than 2 meters under the ground.

Regards
Heinz




RE: Who benefits?
By Aloonatic on 2/7/2008 5:56:00 AM , Rating: 3
Hopefully I'll benefit.

If India's internet traffic is being affected then hopefully the VoIP will also be affected and I'll get fewer telemarketting calls.

I may also stand a chance of being put through to someone who vaguely understands the English language when I call a supplier about a problem I'm having or a billing query.

A man can dream.


Money
By LTG on 2/6/2008 2:27:09 PM , Rating: 5
Sent money to a Nigerian king after he asked for my help in an email to recover his gold fortune.

Haven't heard back from him after sending the money.

Maybe these cable cuts is why he's not responding.

regards,
LTG
http://www.hdgreetings.com




The cost of internet access will increase...
By Calin on 2/6/2008 11:41:45 AM , Rating: 2
As long as this kind of cable cuts happens, the cost of internet access will increase - either the providers will provide increased redundancy using multiple links (and incresed cost for repairs), or the lack of capacity will increase the price for existing capacity.

I wonder - assuming a submarine or a ship with a small submarine cut all those cables... what speed that ship must have been travelling?




By rcc on 2/6/2008 1:26:25 PM , Rating: 2
Depends on how sharp the blade was.

Here's a good one for you. If it's just a hook, and it's being towed by a supertanker, fully loaded, travelling at 15 knots, how far does the cable get displaced before breaking, stopping the ship, or pulling the countries connected into the middle?


Who is best served by Iranian isolation?
By bupkus on 2/6/2008 1:14:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Supreme Leader, currently Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, appoints the head of the judiciary, six of the members of the powerful Guardian Council, the commanders of all the armed forces, Friday prayer leaders and the head of radio and TV. He also confirms the president's election. The Leader is chosen by the clerics who make up the Assembly of Experts.


The peculiar silence from a political leadership that will use any excuse to accuse and condemn the west, particularly the U.S., seems odd to me.

I believe the west hopes the Internet serves to modernize and westernize the youth and future leadership of Iran. So I wouldn't be quick to point a finger at the CIA.

What intrigues me is why now. Did some underwater technology suddenly become available to a group that until now couldn't do this?

As for getting propaganda out of Iran, that message doesn't need a million feed points; it only needs one which can be telephoned to a friendly poster outside Iran.

I see it as in China where it is mostly reduced to sanitize what the masses read and learn.

The government controlled servers in Iran are still intact and feeding controlled info to their masses alongside their daily television and newspaper publications.

My money is on Iran's theocracy. If true they are becoming more insular like North Korea.




By lagomorpha on 2/9/2008 3:53:21 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think the powers in the US Government are interested in westernizing the youth and leadership or Iran. They are more interested in making it look like a dangerous, barbaric state so that Americans will support an invasion which will allow them to steal enormous amounts of money from the American people (again). Iranians putting videos of their kids on youtube makes their plans more difficult. I'd guess that either some form of sea life suddenly decided to start playing with the cables, or the cause is American or Israeli submarines.


Oh please people... GET REAL!
By Griswold on 2/6/2008 4:32:11 PM , Rating: 2
Its Godzilla trying to make landfall but tripping over these damn wires all the time! Just wait and see!




By winterspan on 2/8/2008 5:44:49 AM , Rating: 1
HAAHAHAHHA OMG. I just woke up my roomate laughing.. LOL


Cloverfield
By daftrok on 2/6/2008 11:26:52 AM , Rating: 2
Was it science fiction...or a documentary?




Isolate
By filterxg on 2/6/2008 1:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
I imagine that the fewer paths there are out of any region the easier it is to pinpoint where a cyberattack is coming from. Many governments have publicly expressed frustration at china, and I'd imagine Russia, and Iran are doing the same thing. Another idea is trying to isolate some Al-Qaeda targets. Not saying this is the reason, but its easy to imagine a western government cutting the cables for any of those reasons.




Tubes
By drdrew on 2/6/2008 2:07:12 PM , Rating: 2
Since we all know the internet is just a series of tubes, maybe the tubes are bursting from too many porn or bomb-making-instructional sites being visited...




By mingja on 2/6/2008 2:33:01 PM , Rating: 2
If you look at other regions, you'll see they also have routers showing no traffic (e.g. Florida and Columbia). So I wondered whether Iran showed a zero even before these cuts.

Using the Wayback Machine, I looked at four different snapshots of the Iran router over time. In each case, yes, there was traffic. The links are very slow to load, and I had to refresh them several times, but the stats on these four days in April, June, July, and August of last year were 53, 49, 49, and 51.

I wish this didn't look so fishy...

http://web.archive.org/web/20070424230510/http://w...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070616215041/http://w...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070717214414/http://w...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070808165007/http://w...




Here's a quick theory.....
By KoreyJ on 2/6/2008 6:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps these cables have been cut before now and perhaps those with jurisdiction over them are just starting to notice. Agin, this theory isn't based on any solid facts, but isn't there enough routes for internet traffic out there for those countries affected by this not to really notice?




By hinasty30 on 2/6/2008 9:55:25 PM , Rating: 2
Conspiracy Theory #22 - The Florida connection
------------------------------------------------- -----------
I think I figured out why Florida is down. It had to be the Republicans. You see, I read a recent poll that said a large percentage of Florida homeowners (maybe something around 40%) actually think their property values have gone up in the last year. So the Bush administration would like to perpetuate that myth. You see ol' GW ain't the smartest tool in the shed, so I think he's planning to be on the ballot in November, and we all know how important Florida can be to the Republicans. So its advantageous to keep this 40% off the internet so they can't go on zillow.com and look up the true market value of their property. I would assume this 40% is Republican (disconnected from reality, can't accept when something's gone bad, etc....<cough.. Iraq>). So its in his best interest to perpetuate this myth so when voters look back on the last 8 years they say, "With him in the office my $150k home turned into $350k!". Thus he keeps his 40% of loyal voters and in turn, wins Florida because apparently you don't need to win the majority of the popular vote to become president.

Now I might actually believe my own theory, but I'm posting this from Tampa.




Prevention?
By Sureshot324 on 2/7/2008 9:56:37 AM , Rating: 2
What I want to know is how can they prevent this from happening in the future? I mean, there are miles and miles of underwater cables. They can't possibly guard it all. With a high pressure diving suit someone could get at the cables almost anywhere, even in the Atlantic Ocean.




My theory
By BF04 on 2/7/2008 11:46:39 AM , Rating: 2
Theory #99
Scientologist, Tome Cruise revising his MI role dives down and begins to disconnect the world from the internet. This will bring harmony and peace, along with aliens back into the world.

On subject, I now alot of people want to blame the US and Bush. I for one do not care for some of his politics and actions. However, until we know more details about exactly what happened it does not help to point to the finger. I do hope we find out the truth and whoever has done it pay's the price.




Undersea cables
By eriess on 2/10/2008 12:05:46 AM , Rating: 2
Could it be that innermost cables can't be bugged unless a diversion is created (a cut) so that, at another location, another cut in the same cable can be made, unnoticed, to insert a "breakout box" that provides cable-leakage access to the data streams of all fiber transmission lines?




By PresidentThomasJefferson on 2/7/2008 5:04:49 AM , Rating: 1
Just so u know, a 5TH CABLE HAS BEEN CUT ..and Egypt says no ships were in the area (not only that, but it's expressly forbidden to drag anchors there) ..note that those 5 cuts were in different areas (some of which were many miles apart)

Most likely explaination is that National Security Admin has installed bugs to intercept all internet traffic to/from the MiddleEast (as it should).. note that bugs are already installed/built into the US internet backbones (considering the internet originally started as military/university research networks) .. the data is filtered thru programs that filter for words like 'bomb', 'alqueda', etc

Also, there is still SATELLITE INTERNET (meaning even if all cables were cut, u can still get internet thru satellite --about same same as DSL but slightly slower latency).. note that u can still intercept satellite communications with spy satellites or drones/planes/ships/installations near the area as well as antenna nearby (it's just a focused radio wave that satellites use, making it easy to pickup)




IS IT POSSIBLE?
By TITAN1080 on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: IS IT POSSIBLE?
By initialised on 2/6/2008 4:19:10 PM , Rating: 2
GCHQ in the UK is actively recruiting cyber soldiers. "GCHQ is on the frontline of the fight against international terrorism and crime."

http://www.careersinbritishintelligence.co.uk/Defa...

Information is a resource. Access to it will be fought over.


Stupid U.S. government
By Serafina on 2/6/08, Rating: -1
RE: Stupid U.S. government
By DarkElfa on 2/6/2008 2:07:23 PM , Rating: 4
You dick, what right do you have to blame this on the US, there is no proof other than your whimsical wantings that point to us. It's more likely that members of their own countries are doing this since they're the ones who want seprateness from the world.


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By Cr0nJ0b on 2/6/2008 2:17:07 PM , Rating: 3
Wow! so you know for certain that it was the US that did this? that's great. I didn't see that information in the article. Can you site your reference. I'm sure that Bush has some 'splaining to do for this one.

now back to the subject...

I'm wondering why there is a second cut in an already damaged cable. I'm no sabotage expert, but I would think that the "evil doers" would get more bang for the buck out of cutting additional cables rather than recutting broken ones. I just thought that maybe some bad guys were scurrying around looking for cables, not knowing which was which and cutting away. I would think that if it were a real, knowlegable, efficient group, that they would be cutting working cables...at least that was my first thought.

Also, I'm curious what this means for the banks in the region. They seemed to be the ones that were yelling the loudest... hmm..

>>CONSPIRACY THEORY #21<<
Cut the undersea cables so that the banks need to send their data over satellite feeds instead. Then intercept those feeds at the satellite or alter them and move all the cash from Saudi Arabia, to a quiet bank in Switzerland. That is until Bruce Willis gets somehow caught up in scheme while fishing in the Gulf. He then calls in Lawrence Fishburn and the two of them uncover a plot by Russian Sepratists to use this money to fund a coup to overthrow the Kremlin...or something like that.

just a thought.


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By Eastport2007 on 2/6/2008 2:30:09 PM , Rating: 2
I must say I like that one.

Develop the story a bit more, and sell it to the Movie industry...


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By frobizzle on 2/6/2008 3:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
>>CONSPIRACY THEORY #21<<
Cut the undersea cables so that the banks need to send their data over satellite feeds instead. Then intercept those feeds at the satellite or alter them and move all the cash from Saudi Arabia, to a quiet bank in Switzerland. That is until Bruce Willis gets somehow caught up in scheme while fishing in the Gulf. He then calls in Lawrence Fishburn and the two of them uncover a plot by Russian Sepratists to use this money to fund a coup to overthrow the Kremlin...or something like that.

Someone cue up the Mission:Impossible theme, please!


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By initialised on 2/6/2008 4:23:52 PM , Rating: 4
I think I'll need a deep sea modified Lotus for this mission...


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By Cr0nJ0b on 2/6/2008 4:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
I would rate you up if i knew how.


By perceptionisntreality on 2/7/2008 5:19:54 AM , Rating: 2
how is mission impossible related to bruce willis ?? hahaa lol..


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By NullSubroutine on 2/7/2008 6:22:22 AM , Rating: 1
If the mission was impossible, why would they do it?


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By Iketh on 2/6/2008 5:37:46 PM , Rating: 2
how do u know what their "bang for buck" is?? that line that's been cut twice is a "jackpot" connection and needs to be brought down longer than the 5-day repair time...


By perceptionisntreality on 2/7/2008 5:16:35 AM , Rating: 2
lol.... since i am in the media business i think im gonna "steal" that story :D hehee..

i wouldnt be surprised if cables near china started snapping etc.. i have a weird feeling this is all related to the dollar's decline..


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By lagomorpha on 2/9/2008 4:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
It could be that whoever is doing it decided to make it look sloppy so that someone would ask exactly that question.

Does anyone know if the cables are all fiber optic or if there's some copper in them? Copper is currently worth about $3.50/lb and rising. If some pirates could sneak off with a decent chunk of copper cable it could be worth a fortune.

http://demolitionscrapmetalnews.com/?page_id=4


RE: Stupid U.S. government
By xk430 on 2/21/08, Rating: 0
"A lot of people pay zero for the cellphone ... That's what it's worth." -- Apple Chief Operating Officer Timothy Cook














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