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Original M5 and current M5  (Source: Insideline)
M5 loses US only six-speed manual option

Many auto enthusiasts have had high hopes for BMW and manual transmissions after a patent application for the carmaker surfaced showing a seven-speed manual transmission was in the works. That transmission may still make it to the streets in some BMWs, but it won't be in the future BMW M5.
 
BMW has gone "official", saying that the next generation M5 will not be engineered with a manual transmission. BMW goes a little further with M division head, Albert Biermann, saying it's not cost-effective given the manual's low take rate. The upside is the more enthusiast focused M3 will continue to offer a manual transmission.
 
"Last year, maybe 15-20 percent of our M5s in the U.S. were manuals and maybe this year it will be 15 percent. It's declining," Biermann warned. "The trouble is that nobody wants it in Europe or anywhere else, so this will be the last time we do it, even for the hard-core U.S. buyers."
 
The current M5 offers a six-speed manual transmission alongside a no-cost option for a seven-speed double-clutch unit that shifts with paddles. BMW says offering the six-speed manual was very expensive.
 
"We just can't justify it anymore. It's a no-cost option, but it's been very difficult to do."
 
"Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it's very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn't work out cheaper."
 
The six-speed manual in the M5 has only been available in the U.S.

Source: Insideline



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The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 10:09:36 AM , Rating: 3
I like BMW and all the thought and design they put into their cars. Its the driver behind the wheel I cant stand.

Unable to use turn signals.
Passing on shoulder.
Inability to purchase a hands free headset must hold phone to ear.
Same stupid sun glasses they must come with the car.
Inability to park in a typical parking spot.
The overall entitlement that the drivers have.




RE: The problem isnt the car
By AssBall on 6/21/2012 10:12:05 AM , Rating: 5
Most that would opt for the manual are not that kind of driver. Just sayin'.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Flunk on 6/21/2012 11:03:32 AM , Rating: 2
No, they're the kind that drive 30 over the speed limit and pass you on the right while weaving through traffic.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By pixelslave on 6/21/2012 1:45:50 PM , Rating: 3
Being a Prius owner, I hate those people who drive 30 over the speed limit on a Prius more -- what's the point of getting a Prius in the first place for those people?


RE: The problem isnt the car
By FITCamaro on 6/21/12, Rating: 0
RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mogounus on 6/21/2012 2:04:35 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe you should get out of the fast lane. The left lane is for passing that's also why it's called the "passing lane". I for one can't stand people who park themselves there and then don't get out of the way when someone wants to go faster. To me you are the jerk.

And yes, I do drive a BMW!


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Skywalker123 on 6/22/2012 2:37:55 AM , Rating: 5
Do you know the difference between a BMW, and a cactus? The cactus has all the little pricks on the outside!


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Amedean on 6/21/2012 12:12:57 PM , Rating: 1
With a name like "AssBall" it is easy for me to stereotype you as said annoying driver behind the wheel of the said BMW.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By AssBall on 6/21/2012 2:02:13 PM , Rating: 3
With an argument that is an attack on my username instead of something logical pertaining to my argument, It is easy for me to stereotype you as a douchebag.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By quiksilvr on 6/21/2012 10:13:49 AM , Rating: 2
That's why keys are wonderful.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 10:25:27 AM , Rating: 2
Sheeesh and you called ME a hater and a troll yesterday? lol@anti-BMW owner bigotry. Just throw everyone into a convenient generalization...


RE: The problem isnt the car
By maven81 on 6/21/2012 10:48:22 AM , Rating: 1
It's not really a generalization if it's true 90% of the time...


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 11:11:51 AM , Rating: 3
You mean BMW Drivers or Reclaimer77 being a hater and a troll?

Im thinking 90% Yes to both.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By maven81 on 6/21/2012 11:29:49 AM , Rating: 1
I think you're correct!

But to add to your list, you know what my favorite BMW driver experience was? It's raining really hard, and I see that there's a 3 series in front of me, driving with the trunk completely open. There's nothing in the trunk, and it actually seems to be filling up with water. I pull up alongside to see what's up. It's a teen girl obliviously yakking away with a friend next to her. I motion to her that her trunk is open, and she just gives me this nasty look, like "what's your problem?". Well I gave up and drove away heh.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 11:40:58 AM , Rating: 2
Every motorist's worst nightmare: An old woman driving BMW on a Sunday
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2...

Around 21,000 motorists were quizzed, and 45 per cent said BMW drivers were the worst on the road.

http://www.pressabout.com/bmw-drivers-bad-ineffici...

BMW drivers are most associated with bad or inefficient driving according to the survey, with 68% of respondents claiming that bad drivers of these vehicles drive too fast, overtake in dangerous situations (66%), intimidate other road users (66%) and drive too close to the car in front (64%).


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 11:54:08 AM , Rating: 2
When you drive a high performing, well handling car, it can be VERY frustrating out there. People just don't know how do drive that good. They lumber down on-ramps when they are supposed to be hitting merging-speed. They don't pay attention at green lights and sit there for 3-5 seconds, holding up everyone else. They act like their vehicle will roll over if they take a turn with ANY sense of urgency or efficiency. They are in their own little bubble, ignorant of the flow of traffic or what's going on around them.

I'm sure to those people, someone like me who actually drives like he's trying to get somewhere, is the worst thing on 4 wheels. But most of the time THEY are the problem.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By maven81 on 6/21/2012 12:16:08 PM , Rating: 3
Both are bad Reclaimer. While slowpokes are annoying, and sometimes even dangerous (I recently nearly rear-ended a complete idiot that was doing 35 on the leftmost lane of a highway) all too often I see people do crazy maneuvers that save them all of 5 seconds at most. They'll run a red light just to get stuck behind someone at the very next light. They'll weave through traffic unpredictably. I've even seen people turn their blinkers on and drive on the opposite side of the road! The kicker is, most of the time they save almost no time at all doing this.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 12:22:54 PM , Rating: 2
That is extremely reckless stuff. I'm not talking about going nuts out there. I'm just talking about the generally...lethargic manner in which people drive that frustrates me on a daily basis. Or people who drive like they are in a daze or lost all the time.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By chromal on 6/21/2012 1:09:08 PM , Rating: 4
Couldn't agree more. People who aren't paying attention are the worst, followed by the people who seem to literally panic when they are faced with a road with curves and elevation changes. Not that any of this justifies aggressive driving, blowing through stop signs or lights, or even crossing a solid lane marking line.

There's a reason for the saying, "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow." :)


RE: The problem isnt the car
By silverblue on 6/21/2012 5:57:21 PM , Rating: 1
Perhaps, but we all have the same speed limit regardless of whatever model car you drive. My car might do 110, yours might do 155, but if I can quite easily do 70 (the speed limit over here in the UK) and some numpty, usually in a German car I might add, flies up behind me as I'm overtaking somebody, giving it the flashing lights and tailgating me, there's only one thing I'm going to do...

...let my foot off the accelerator gently.

I have every right to be where I am. I'm overtaking somebody in a safe and legal fashion whilst keeping it nicely on the speed limit. It's also what we're taught over here - if somebody is being aggressive behind you, reduce speed slowly. Besides which, the impatient guy behind might have saved a little bit of fuel not going at 90mph for a change.

Almost as much of a concern as being tailgated by somebody in a large wheel based vehicle who forgot the speed limit or the Highway Code for that matter. It's even worse if you're driving a supermini.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By thewrayj on 6/22/2012 12:38:15 PM , Rating: 2
While I don't appreciate the type of tailgating speed-maniacs you've described, I also do not appreciate your solution. Aside from aggravating an already aggressive driver (creating a high-risk-of-accident scenario), by easing off the accelerator you are driving below the speed limit; this action:

1. slows things down for everyone behind you
and
2. makes your own goal of overtaking someone take longer

It reminds me of pedestrians who purposely take their time at crosswalks when they're stopping traffic - all they are doing is slowing things down, for themselves and everyone else. When I use the crosswalk, I quicken pace.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By silverblue on 6/29/2012 4:51:58 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, maybe not reducing speed that much when overtaking, however it's preferable to braking or grinding the accelerator into the floor. Perhaps maintaining speed is the best thing, but one thing I'm certainly not doing is swerving out of the way.

I don't want to appear like a lunatic or anything (I'm certainly not) but I don't feel that I should be intimidated by other drivers. I suppose if you go out driving you can do so with the mentality that most drivers are idiots, so treat them as such, however you cannot be overly cautious nor aggressive. I remember overtaking on an unlit dual carriageway at night during the rain and somebody in a black Vauxhall/Opel Vectra flew up behind me and started flashing at me from a car's length behind to get out of the way. I just stuck to my speed and moved back left when I could; he just flew past in a big hurry.

As for the crosswalk scenario, if it says WALK (or the green man shows over here) then as long as you cross the road before the lights signal drivers to move off, nobody can have any complaints, however if it's a zebra crossing where drivers must give way to pedestrians, then dawdling as you cross could indeed annoy.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By BillyBatson on 6/21/2012 3:15:55 PM , Rating: 1
Heh look at that I actually agree with your post reclaimer... Not that you. Are of course lol.

I'm a former BMW owner (2010 328 coupe sport/premium), now I drive a ford edge lol. If you have never driven a performance car you will never know what it's like and how I consider the WORST cars/drivers on the road to be Prius drivers!!! They can't manuver well and slow down all traffic all the time!! When a light turns green it isn't just the 3-4 second lag in responding but even once moving most drivers take 2-3 city blocks to reach the speed limit of 35-40mph and often come up on the next red light way before reaching the speed limit. Slow and inefficient drivers always hold up traffic, drive right next to each other when you're supposed to be staggered both to allow traffic to flow but also for safety, and these same drivers absolutely hate BMW drivers and others who frustratingly have to drive around and pass drivers slowing them down.

It's the cheap non-performance cars that hold back traffic and are a danger to the road not performance vehicles that accelerate, turn, and break better but drive 5mph over the speed limit.

I seriously hate Prius drivers the worst people and cars on the road!!!!! I don't care if you're trying to get your mpg up another 0.2mpg to save .75 cents a month, HIT THE GOD DAMN GAS PEDAL ANS GET TO THE SPEED LIMIT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Jeffk464 on 6/21/2012 8:53:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, I feel that driving a high performance car tends to bring out the Indy car driver in everyone. I drive a Tacoma pickup and trying to drive it aggressively really doesn't reward the driver at all, you could say it mellows out my driving.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2012 10:45:13 PM , Rating: 1
BS. I see a lot more people driving their boring ass Camrys and Altimas aggressively than I do people in sporty cars.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 12:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
Reclaimer77:
quote:
Yes but I'm proud to say we mostly chased out the worst of the pro-Apple idiots and now are down to maybe three regulars, one who is insta -1'ed so you don't even have to read his posts.
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=24981...


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 12:27:22 PM , Rating: 2
Uhh but those WERE pro Apple idiots specifically. I didn't say ALL Apple users were idiots. But they were very bad posters, fanbois, and trolls. And DT is better off without them here.

But whatever, nice try with your little game. At best you proved you're just as bad as me lol. While simultaneously trying to take the high road.

You have a beef with all BMW owners, or most, hey whatever it's your right to post it. But don't pull the "troll" card on me, that's pretty damn hypocritical.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Spuke on 6/21/2012 12:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
And you can't read. He said "mostly chased out the WORST", where in there do you read "ALL"? We're about to buy a Bimmer for the wife (135i vert) so I guess she'll be in the hated category. I'm considering one myself so just go ahead and put me in the hated category too. I have an entire movement/organization that hates me too (the KKK) and they kill niggas (LOL!) so ants like yourself (Mitch101) don't bother me one bit.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By sigmatau on 6/21/2012 12:18:31 PM , Rating: 5
You know what's worse than the BMW driver stereotype you came up with are drivers like you.

Let me guess, you sit in the left lane completly oblivious to the world around you. Does the left lane make you feel safe? Is it the fact that you only have to worry about one lane next to you that people sit there not bothering to move over when someone is driving faster than they are?

Why do people pass you on the right? Is it because you have some idiot in the left lane doing what I mentioned above? Blame them, not the one that doesn't want to wait 10 minutes for you to move 10 feet relative to the traffic in the next lane.

Why do you allow anyone to get up to and tailgate you? It's one thing if it is one lane of travel, but it is an entirely different thing when you have more than one lane of travel. Move the FK over! I drive faster than most, and if someone is zooming on my rear, I move over way before they get to me. This is common curtesy.

It's not the BMW driver but the American driving culture in general. If you think it's ok for someone to be on their cell phone going 5 mph slower than all other traffic and sit in the left lane, then you should not ever post here again about driving as you have no clue.

I cannot stand an idiot slow driver that sits in the left lane. There are reasons why people drive aggressive. My state has an aggressive driver law. I think it is the dumbest thing ever. They should have a passive aggressive law. That would cover about 90% of drivers. My state would be rich.

Oh, and don't get me started on stupid tracter trailer drivers that jump in the right lane just as you are about to pass them on an incline and then take 5 minutes to pass the car. Now that is epic stupid.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Pneumothorax on 6/21/2012 12:24:19 PM , Rating: 2
I drive 200 miles a day so I see plenty of these twats on the road. They seem oblivous, but it needs much concentration for these idiots to drive within 0.1 mph of the car on their right for MILES AND MILES !!!!!!!!!!!!!


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 1:22:10 PM , Rating: 2
How in the world did you come up with my driving habits from my post? LOL.

I would consider myself an aggressive driver being used to driving in NJ/NY you have to be if your going to get anywhere.

I do agree with the rest of your posting on the left lane hungers who don't feel the need to move right when faster traffic is approaching. No disagreement there

In my years of driving Ive had many more BMW drivers come close to taking the paint off my bumpers than any other car and its almost a daily occurrence that I can witness this habit.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By BillyBatson on 6/21/2012 3:27:04 PM , Rating: 2
In all your years of "almost" being hit my bmw's you aren't mentioning that you ever got hit? Maybe it's because those bmw's can actually pull off the lane change in front of you without a problem..
I've actually been hit by 2 Prius's one of which was a Beverly hills taxi so which sounds worse? Almost (almost from your pov anyway) being hit by a fast car, or being hit twice by a slow car?

I live in Los Angeles by the way and drive in the San fernando valley and surrounding often, nearly everyone I know has a new sports car not to mention those I don't know and they all drive like you guys claim BMW drivers drive; with a sense of urgency and feel safe doing so being they are in a capable vehicle. My 3 close friends all have 2012 C63's (lol) and they drive more aggressively than most BMW drivers I've seen, but they can do it. It not their fault you freak out when someone faster goes around you.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 9:13:13 PM , Rating: 2
Its the persons reaction to the BWM that prevents it from happening. I dont freak out but I question the idiot for why they need to cut it so close and I'm muscle bound enough to make him eat whatever part of the car I choose.

Its true they are great cars and they can pull that lane change off. But should they? Because the car fits doesn't mean you should change the lane because its not moving fast enough for you. They do it at the dumbest moments it seems they dont plan ahead there is no open road if they jump ahead its just another car Im stuck behind that the millions of us are stuck behind so they cut off and tailgate in traffic and get literally nowhere out of it. Its pathetic driving more than real driving.

What do you do when a Prius hits you does it even leave a mark?

Ive been hit by a taxi before in NY worst drivers or because they drive all day they are bound to hit something eventually?

A C63 is a different type of person to me than a BMW driver. A BMW driver wishes he was the C63 driver. Most BMW drivers are probably leasing. Different worlds there.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 3:36:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would consider myself an aggressive driver being used to driving in NJ/NY you have to be if your going to get anywhere.


If you were truly an aggressive driver you wouldn't be trying to make that argument in the first place. Maybe you should read your posts and try to see how they come off. They come off like a passive timid driver complaining about aggressive ones. You even tried backing this up with hilarious "surveys" about what other scared slow drivers like yourself think about BMW owners.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 8:54:31 PM , Rating: 3
You going to follow every one of my posts Psycho Droid?

Ill give you the better car and still whip your pansy ass why because you post what a 1000 a day here? I bet you would need a BMW to move your fat ass half as fast as a Prius that is if you can fit in one.

What I see with BMW drivers is they don't plan ahead with their driving they are 80MPH look at me and box their dumb asses in every time. Great job cutting off two people and now were passing you because if you noticed half the vehicles in front you then you would know who ahead is the one jamming everyone up.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Pneumothorax on 6/21/2012 12:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
Owners/drivers of vehicles who we know have bluetooth STANDARD and are still driving with the headset to the ear. Too bad Darwin isn't getting much business anymore as the herd needs culling.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 1:28:10 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get it either but the more expensive the car the worse the phone to the ear is. It could be the age category as BMW/Mercedes/Lexus are generally an older crowd and maybe not as hip to Blutooth headsets and integrated tech.

Ill go a step further Id be willing to bet they have in car phone but they don't pair their cell phone with the car so when a call comes in on the cell they put it to the ear instead of pairing the phone to the car for hands free.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By BillyBatson on 6/21/2012 3:03:23 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like someone is a little butt hurt they can't have a BMW as well lol


RE: The problem isnt the car
By BZDTemp on 6/21/2012 5:22:39 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds more to me as an Audi driver.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By alpha754293 on 6/22/2012 9:21:58 AM , Rating: 2
It's not just limited to dickheads in bimmers. It seems like that the more people pay for the cars, the LESS they're able to drive said car. (Happens with Lincolns, Audis, higher end VWs, Buicks, Denalis, pretty much anything north of the $30k mark).

People are dumb in general. And they're worse when they're behind the wheel.


RE: The problem isnt the car
By NellyFromMA on 6/22/2012 11:33:49 AM , Rating: 2
You just described drivers in the majority of cars in (at least) America. This is not a BMW exclusive thing. It's a moron exclusive thing, and they are out en masse.


Manual transmission rocks
By jamawass on 6/21/2012 10:23:05 AM , Rating: 2
Manual Transmission is the reason I've favoured BMW over it's competitors in this category.If it's dispensed with I'll look elsewhere. Nothing beats manual transmission with BMW handling on the hairpin roads I travel daily.
And to the other poster BMW has had standard handsfree bluetooth integration in the 5 series for the last 4 yrs.




RE: Manual transmission rocks
By AMDftw on 6/21/2012 10:45:31 AM , Rating: 2
The M5 will become a B***H car now. Why put a sissymatic in such a beautiful car? Oh I know why, it's so anyone can be cool have one. I will never own a sissymatic unless I lose my left leg. Only pansies drive autos.


RE: Manual transmission rocks
By tayb on 6/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: Manual transmission rocks
By Breathless on 6/21/2012 11:21:28 AM , Rating: 1
Shut your word hole


RE: Manual transmission rocks
By Varun on 6/21/2012 12:32:24 PM , Rating: 2
I am positive that it won't be a standard auto, but a dual clutch sequential, with likely an option of a slush box.

They just perform way better than any manual. I love manuals too but I can see they are on the way out.


RE: Manual transmission rocks
By Spuke on 6/21/2012 12:47:00 PM , Rating: 2
The present M5 has a DCT as will the future one's. I happen to like DCT's although I drive manuals almost exclusively (wifes truck is an auto only). My next car might have a DCT in it.


RE: Manual transmission rocks
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2012 10:47:51 PM , Rating: 2
DCTs aren't bad. But sorry. I like the simplicity, low weight, and low cost of maintenance on a regular manual. DCT clutches may last longer. But when you replace them, you're doing two, not just one. And with some of the things some automakers are doing to keep them quiet, there's other costs associated.


By inperfectdarkness on 6/22/2012 7:06:57 AM , Rating: 2
You're a dinosaur. People who spend in the 6-figure range on a sports car don't want 1800's shifting technology in their transportation.

If you want to row gears, go buy a miata or something similar. I personally prefer a transmission that's faster, more fuel-efficient and more durable than a rowing machine. CVT's can't handle power for anything, so DCT's are the way to go.

We're not talking STI or EVO market here--this is BMW's flagship 5-series. "Purists" can go drive mustangs.


Is a dual clutch tranny really an automatic?
By lebarle on 6/21/2012 11:05:36 AM , Rating: 2
I am not an expert at least partly because the cars I buy and drive cost about 5% of what the M5 goes for.
My understanding of the dual clutch tranny is that the clutches take turns and there is no torque converter. Definitely not your grand-dads auto.




RE: Is a dual clutch tranny really an automatic?
By Spuke on 6/21/2012 12:50:23 PM , Rating: 2
A DCT is indeed a manual transmission with electronic shifting and clutching (two clutches). You can shift in full manual or it can shift itself. There are different modes of operation. DCT's are neat in that you can feel the initial clutch slip on take off and they blip the throttle on downshifts to match revs.


RE: Is a dual clutch tranny really an automatic?
By chromal on 6/21/2012 1:34:26 PM , Rating: 2
Some of the better DCT 'manumatics' can indeed shift faster than a traditional clutch+stick manual. I still wouldn't enjoy one in the same way, nor would I buy a car with one for personal use, though these are surely still preferably to the traditional 'slushbox' torque converter automatics in terms of performance and efficiency.


By Spuke on 6/21/2012 3:24:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I still wouldn't enjoy one in the same way, nor would I buy a car with one for personal use
Oh, I don't know. I drove an Evo X with one and was seriously impressed. Read that they were good but I didn't think they were THAT good. What sealed the deal was a drive in a 135i with DCT. The relentless application of power, no slop like a torque converter auto has and the mini pop on each shift made me giggle! I could thoroughly enjoy driving a car with one.

PS - All of MY cars (excluding the wifes) have been manuals and I consider myself a diehard but those DCT's are just plain awesome. Sorry.


I doubt Euro customers are all opting for the DCT
By Beenthere on 6/21/2012 1:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
I'd understand the cost issue if the manual trans was only for the U.S. but it is not and the car is built for a manual trans. so this is just marketing rationalization, not reality. I'd love to see the take rates in Europe for the M5. I'll bet it's more like 50/50.

FWIW, the DCT trans is still the smart way to go but I am well aware that many people don't think they are driving sportily if they aren't grinding gears in a manual trans.

At the statospheric prices BMW charges for the M5, you should be able to get whatever trans makes you happy and they should bow down to you and thank you for buying such a profitable car for BMW.

As far as arrogant/incompetent drivers -- that is primarily a U.S. issue IME, more than anywhere else that I have traveled. 95.92684% of U.S. drivers can't back out of a driveway without having an accident.




RE: I doubt Euro customers are all opting for the DCT
By Spuke on 6/21/2012 3:33:53 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you missed the part where he said,
quote:
"The trouble is that nobody wants it in Europe or anywhere else


By Beenthere on 6/21/2012 6:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
I guess you've never been to Germany/Europe... Probably 90% of all vehicles sold are manual trans or DCT. Full automatics only sell to people who have no driving skills. Most Europeans would not be caught dead in an automatic trans car because of the stigma and lower mpg. Gas across the pond cost ~$7.50/gal. so they don't want no stinkin automatic trans - despite the dribble from BMW's talking head.

FYI - The talking head was trying to justify an internal decision by BMW. German engineers are known for TELLING customers what they should desire, not GIVING them what they desire . This cultural faux paux has cost them dearly over the years in spite of their sales success.


By Skywalker123 on 6/22/2012 3:49:51 AM , Rating: 2
You've never been farther than 100 miles from your double wide in Mississippi


sad news...
By chromal on 6/21/2012 10:45:51 AM , Rating: 2
I'd say, "Well, now I'll never buy the new BMW M5," but, fair enough, I couldn't afford it anyway. What's unfortunate is that BMW appears to be saying is that too many poseurs are buying this motorsports-series car, and so they're now targeting its setup to their needs (e.g.: automatic tranny). What I'm still incredulous over is that this would represent even a majority, much less the vast majority, of European buyers, who historically and in general, appreciate the stick shift.




What's the difference...
By MrBlastman on 6/21/2012 11:28:01 AM , Rating: 2
Between a BMW and a Porcupine? The Prick's on the inside!

Okay, haha jokes aside... :) Bad move BMW. Hasn't BMW always been about performance and control of the vehicle? Yeah, I know paddle shifting is hot but some of us still like using a clutch and heel-toeing.

Either way it doesn't matter. If I were race BMW it'd have to be one of the boxy ones from the early 80's like the E30 / E30 M3. They look pretty mean.




Manual days almost over
By macca007 on 6/22/2012 8:36:10 AM , Rating: 2
I have a 6 speed manual V8 300kw modded SS Commodore, I can say for sure my next car will be an auto!
There is stuff all difference between them these days and in some regards the autos are faster when set up correctly.
The amount of people on the road these days in peak hour it is a downright pain in the arse changing gears putting wear and tear on the crunch box.
In 10 years with this car gone through 3 clutches,gearbox on the way out yes I drive aggressively,More aggravated driving experience when some idiot in fast lane is going too slow forcing me to change down gears when I shouldn't have to, naaaa no more manuals for me, Fun as they were tiptronic/sequential/active select or whatever other name they call these new auto's is the way to go. Maybe old age starting to kick in but looks/comfort/gadgets/fuel economy has more priority to me than being able to change gears. Just a pain in the butt in peak hour traffic! Plus if a car has 300+hp it don't make any difference being auto or manual the power is still there, Can't drag race on roads so what's the point having the extra .5 of a second in take off or .4L/100 in fuel economy savings you get from a manual. Need to overtake just push the lever over then down on the auto and drive it like a manual.
I guess if you are still real young the fun/feeling of changing gears might be a turn on still,Maybe after you have spent several thousand on repairs to the crunch box or clutch you may think differently. ;)




unspoken reason
By alpha754293 on 6/22/2012 9:27:26 AM , Rating: 2
Probably the even bigger reason is that a properly engineered DCT can get better fuel economy than a traditional manual transmission. Couple with minimal torque loss during the shift, it's better anyways.

And CAFE has the potential to costs more for the OEM than production costs.

Course, why they don't offer it as a $5000 option (because that's how much it costs for them to make said provisions -- NOT that the buyer cares about you know....all the work and hours that goes into MAKING a car...) but hey...I'm sure that those drunken Germans know what they're doing. (They do have some pretty amazing kick ass technologies. It's always amusing to watch American engineers when they see pieces/parts of a BMW. It's like being at the monkey/chimp exhibit at the zoo.)




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