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It will be released in the U.S. during Q2 2014

BMW announced today that the electric i3 will go on sale in the U.S. during the second quarter of 2014.

The BMW i3 will have an abundance of features, such as three trim levels (Mega, Giga and Tera). It will also sport a 22-kilowatt, 450-pound lithium ion battery, which will provide power to a rear-mounted electric motor. The i3 packs 170 horsepower and 184 pound-feet of torque, allowing the single-gear i3 to accelerate from 0-30 miles per hour in 3.5 seconds and 0-60 mph in about 7.0 seconds. However, its top speed is 93 MPH. 


The i3 has an electric range of 80-100 miles, and the battery can be charged with a standard system in about three hours. For those who need faster charging, there's the SAE DC Combo Fast Charger for a full charge in only 30 minutes. An optional 34-hp, 650cc two-cylinder generator can be added for additional range. 

The EV will also offer its LifeDrive architecture, which is the overall design of the vehicle through the Life Module and the Drive Module. The Life Module is the first mass-produced monocoque made of carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP), and it's 30 percent lighter than aluminum for an overall weight of 2,700 pounds. The Drive Module, on the other hand, is an aluminum chassis placed under the Life Module, and it contains parts like the battery. 


"The new all-electric BMW i3 is a landmark in BMW's mission to provide a completely sustainable, electric vehicle that still stays true to the Ultimate Driving Machine moniker," said BMW. "The BMW i3 is the first product of the new BMW i sub-brand, and is a truly purpose built electric car. It's a new era for electro mobility at BMW."

The i3 will have a price tag of $41,350 when released in the U.S. during Q2 2014. 

Source: BMW



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Getting better
By Ammohunt on 7/29/2013 3:44:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The i3 has an electric range of 80-100 miles, and the battery can be charged with a standard system in about three hours.


Range is getting better but at $41k i can buy two <insert fuel efficient small car here> for that price or buy one and have $25k to buy 218750 miles of gas at $4 a gallon and 35mpg.




RE: Getting better
By SublimeSimplicity on 7/29/2013 3:55:40 PM , Rating: 2
When you consider the tax credits (you can debate their need, but they exist) this puts the actual price at $28.5k in GA. So a $25k car with $4/gallon and 35mpg will get you a little over 30k miles for $28.5k. That doesn't include oil changes.

The i3 will be much smoother, quicker, and just all around nicer than the $25k ICE. The i3 you also never need to go to the gas station. This is something that doesn't sink in until you own an EV. There is really nothing nice about going to the gas station.


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/29/2013 6:01:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The i3 will be much smoother, quicker, and just all around nicer than the $25k ICE.
No.


RE: Getting better
By Keeir on 7/29/2013 9:28:50 PM , Rating: 3
Ever driven an electric?

Its will be -smoother-. It will feel -quicker-. Now handling seems to be a problem. It probably doesn't handle near the level of a BMW or even a Mazda. Probably better than a Corolla though....


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 1:30:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ever driven an electric?
Yes and I found it sterile and boring. But considering how quiet people like their cars, this will be the biggest selling point in the future. Smooth? An inline-6 is smooth as hell and I can't tell the diff between that motor and the EV I drove. it was definitely quieter but I could care less about that.


RE: Getting better
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: Getting better
By slunkius on 7/30/2013 3:31:30 AM , Rating: 5
reclaimer cca 1900:

All I know is I can flog the piss out of my horse and still go more miles than any automobile out there. And i don't have to worry about no gas running out. horses are the future, autos are for hippies.


RE: Getting better
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: Getting better
By roykahn on 7/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: Getting better
By Dorkyman on 7/30/2013 11:16:44 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe no humility, but he's right on this issue.

Today's article in the WSJ noted that BMW was only doing this project because they were "required to" by certain governments in order to remain in the market. In other words, it's not a practical concept, driven by need, but rather a forced project for business purposes, like being forced to install solar panels on a factory roof regardless of cost effectiveness in exchange for permission to build the factory.


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 12:14:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Maybe no humility, but he's right on this issue.
Yep, Rec is spot on.


RE: Getting better
By BRB29 on 7/30/2013 9:15:20 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes and I found it sterile and boring. But considering how quiet people like their cars, this will be the biggest selling point in the future. Smooth? An inline-6 is smooth as hell and I can't tell the diff between that motor and the EV I drove. it was definitely quieter but I could care less about that.


No ice can be as smooth as an electric motor. Electric motors have literally a flat torque curve. No ICE engine have accomplished that. The 1 gear in EVs have no shifts.

I think the only smoothness an ICE can have is how it modulates the throttle to blend the changes of acceleration better. However, EVs can do that too. It should be even easier to do since an electric motor and 1 gear transmission should be much more predictable. The software controlling it is probably not as matured since all these EVs have just launched and in their first generation.


RE: Getting better
By Jeffk464 on 7/30/2013 11:14:27 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, not even close to being possible. A lot of the "smoothness" of luxury ICE engines is in the sound insulation and vibration dampening engine mounts.


RE: Getting better
By Dorkyman on 7/30/2013 11:19:52 AM , Rating: 2
If smooth is your objective, go for it. Me, I far prefer cost-effectiveness and practicality.


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 12:23:07 PM , Rating: 2
You obviously don't know much about gas engines.


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 12:22:31 PM , Rating: 2
I said I COULD NOT TELL !!! Read people! Besides, that's irrelevant cause I didn't like the cars I drove. They were BORING and STERILE. It's Toyota Camry boring. Cars I drove:

1. Tesla Model S
2. Nissan Leaf
3. Chevy Volt


RE: Getting better
By BRB29 on 7/30/2013 12:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
Model S is far from boring. It's roughly the performance of a v6 midsize luxury sports sedan.

The volt is meh and it was made to be. It wasn't meant to be exciting.

The leaf is straight up about savings.

What did you expect? Calling the model S boring and sterile as the Camry....i don't know what you were smoking there. My parents have the new camry and accord. I drove my firend's Model S. The Model S is undoubtedly better and almost as practical.


RE: Getting better
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/13, Rating: 0
RE: Getting better
By Jeffk464 on 7/30/2013 2:33:44 PM , Rating: 2
ah come on a v6 accord isn't as boring as a camry


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 4:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
ah come on a v6 accord isn't as boring as a camry
A V6 Accord Coupe with 6 speed manual is quite fun. A total sleeper too. 14 flat @ 103 in the 1/4 is pretty damn quick for a non-sporting car.


RE: Getting better
By rountad on 7/31/2013 10:15:20 AM , Rating: 2
I personally dislike FWD.

The Accord is way ahead of the Camry, IMO. That's not really saying much, though.


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 3:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
We'll just differ on this. I expected something else when driving the Model S and I was very disappointed. It's well made and very nice looking though. Maybe I'll need a Panamera EV to make me happy with EV's. So far they all suck IMO.


RE: Getting better
By Dug on 7/30/2013 7:46:53 PM , Rating: 2
First person I've heard call the Tesla boring.
I didn't get to drive one but I rode in one and I can tell you it was fast and fun.

0-60 in 4 seconds and quarter mile in 12.5. Yeah that's boring and sterile.


RE: Getting better
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/2013 12:47:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No ice can be as smooth as an electric motor. Electric motors have literally a flat torque curve. No ICE engine have accomplished that. The 1 gear in EVs have no shifts.


Yes but so what?

It's still like driving a sewing machine. Where's the rev of the engine? Where's the rowing through the gears or the climb of revs before a shift? Where's the excitement?

Where's all the motor-heads at. I don't understand this generation. What's there to get excited about in an electric vehicle?

There's something wondrous about an engine with hundreds of moving parts, violently exploding internally thousands of times a minute...pushing cams...and - oh god - turning a crank aaand AAAAAAAHHKDLFJ;dlsJKFKLJFj;!!!!!!!!!

whew, sorry about that. I need to go shower now.


RE: Getting better
By FaaR on 7/30/2013 2:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot about the pounding pistons... You like that, don't you? Pounding pistons?

;)


RE: Getting better
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/2013 9:49:55 PM , Rating: 2
Oh baby!

lmao


RE: Getting better
By rountad on 7/31/2013 10:12:16 AM , Rating: 2
I can't be the only one who likes the soundtrack of a nice, powerful V8.


RE: Getting better
By StormyKnight on 7/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: Getting better
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/13, Rating: 0
RE: Getting better
By SublimeSimplicity on 7/30/2013 9:39:02 AM , Rating: 2
Who waits? I sleep... do you not sleep?


RE: Getting better
By jRaskell on 7/30/2013 11:25:34 AM , Rating: 2
Sometimes I drive more than 80-100 miles in a day. Actually, at least half my weekends. I stopped taking afternoon naps when I was 5.


RE: Getting better
By DougF on 7/31/2013 8:20:59 AM , Rating: 2
Re: Naps; You'll start taking them again when you reach 55...


RE: Getting better
By imaheadcase on 7/30/2013 11:57:35 AM , Rating: 2
Mmm unless you plan on driving 100+ miles a day, you won't even care if you plug it in. If you do, this care is not made for you anyways. dur


RE: Getting better
By DrChemist on 7/30/2013 10:02:04 AM , Rating: 2
The bigger issue at hand is that it is only $3K more than the Chevy Volt. To be honest I would rather have a BMW vs a Chevy. The price is very affordable compared with the others on the market while still being a luxury model.


RE: Getting better
By Jeffk464 on 7/30/2013 11:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
No other electric car has the gotta have it appeal of the testla though.


RE: Getting better
By Mint on 7/29/2013 8:25:55 PM , Rating: 3
This is a BMW. It costs more than the Leaf for the same reason a 3-series costs more than an Altima.


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 1:32:14 AM , Rating: 2
Except a 3 series is a WHOLLY better car than an Altima. It remains to be seen whether the i3 will be that much better than a Leaf.


RE: Getting better
By Mint on 7/30/2013 12:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
We already know it's 2 seconds faster 0-60, and it weighs 600lbs less. It carries the BMW badge, and they're not going to dilute the brand with poor handling, especially when BMW chose 19" wheels standard and EVs have that nice low center of gravity. Ditto for features and materials.

That pretty much sums up the 3-series advantages over an Altima, IMO, so I think the comparison is pretty apt. Is it "that much better"? Well, plenty of people see the BMW premium as a collosal waste of money.


RE: Getting better
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 4:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
I take it you've never driven either car. Other wise you wouldn't make that statement. I have many times. They're an order of magnitude different with the 3er vastly better in most every way. Not saying the Altima isn't a nice car but it definitely is not a 3 series.


RE: Getting better
By FaaR on 7/30/2013 2:51:44 PM , Rating: 2
For the price of one Lamborghini, you can buy 50 Kias. Is that a great deal, if what you really want (and can afford) is a Lamborghini?

It's a BMW, man. It's not gonna be cheap. If you can't afford something of great style, build and quality, buy something cheaper. And no, I'm not elitist, German cars are expensive. Fact of life.


RE: Getting better
By p3ngwin on 7/31/2013 12:52:28 AM , Rating: 2
there are many ways to invest.

you can choose to invest with "money" and expect a return in the same currency, or you can invest money into a another priority you may have.

not everyone prioritizes money, some people are happy to pay money to invest in more important things.

For they people that *have* money, and want to invest in what they *don't* have, these are the kinds of investment few people understand.

when you think "why would you spend that much money when you can buy xxx for "cheaper" than that" , ask yourself what that person may value more than the money they have.


optional generator is unique
By Nutzo on 7/29/2013 6:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
Only thing I find interesting is the optional generator.

I believe this is the 1st electric car with this option, as it only charges the battery. All the other Hybrids (including plugins) have a full Ice/transmission to allow the gas engine to drive the wheels.

This car is electric drive only.

A 34 HP generator should put out around 20KW, which should be almost enough to keep the car running at highway speeds.

Wonder how large the gas tank is?




RE: optional generator is unique
By Monkey's Uncle on 7/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: optional generator is unique
By Monkey's Uncle on 7/29/2013 6:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
Correction -- Volt can drive the wheels via clutch when needed.


RE: optional generator is unique
By Spuke on 7/29/2013 6:55:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wonder how large the gas tank is?
2 gallons.


RE: optional generator is unique
By GulWestfale on 7/29/2013 8:13:59 PM , Rating: 2
what is a bit strange is that the engine is from the c650 scooter, where it makes 60hp. why only 34hp here? can anyone explain that?


RE: optional generator is unique
By Keeir on 7/29/2013 9:26:14 PM , Rating: 2
#1. Efficieny. The engine is likely fairly inefficient above 34 hp. If you only have 2 gallons of gasoline, do you really want the ability to burn through it quickly?

#2. Noise and Vibration. Higher RPMs probably make a decent racket. On a scooter, this is easy to ignore with wind rush and the natural expectation of heavy noise. In a nearly silent EV? hmmm.

#3. I am unsure if its 34 hp at the motor or 34 hp from the generator. There is some losses after all.


RE: optional generator is unique
By Dorkyman on 7/30/2013 11:24:25 AM , Rating: 2
My guess is that it's mostly a noise issue. A lot easier making an engine quiet at half redline than it is at redline.


By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 7/30/2013 4:29:06 PM , Rating: 2
They're quoting 80-100 miles range on a 2.8 gallon tank. That's between 28-35mpg, which is pretty pathetic!

And the battery weight budget in a Tesla would be more like 35-40kWh.

I'm rather disappointed in this i3 :(


RE: optional generator is unique
By BRB29 on 7/30/2013 9:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
what is a bit strange is that the engine is from the c650 scooter, where it makes 60hp. why only 34hp here? can anyone explain that?


Since it's an add on option, I'm betting the engine only runs at 1 specific rpm optimized for efficiency. Its max hp is probably 60hp or more but they can only list what is usable. Which means it is 34hp at that specific rpm and the only mode that engine runs on.


RE: optional generator is unique
By Jeffk464 on 7/30/2013 11:21:39 AM , Rating: 2
The better question is why build a scooter with 60hp, thats motorcycle territory.


RE: optional generator is unique
By Reflex on 7/29/2013 6:56:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think the Volt does this as well, but with a much smaller battery.


RE: optional generator is unique
By toffty on 7/29/2013 7:08:09 PM , Rating: 3
Kind of.

The Volt is a complicated serial/parallel hybrid. The ICE is not always connected to the drive train and can be used to only generate power to charge the battery/drive the motors (serial like i3 + generator) but it can be connected to the drive train to add more power to the wheels (parallel like the Prius).


Really BMW?
By dice1111 on 7/29/2013 3:25:57 PM , Rating: 2
Is there one person here that thinks this car looks good?

One???




RE: Really BMW?
By piroroadkill on 7/29/2013 4:05:33 PM , Rating: 4
No, probably not even the people who designed it.


RE: Really BMW?
By HeavySnarker on 7/29/2013 5:53:56 PM , Rating: 2
It looks worse than a $15K Scion xB


RE: Really BMW?
By Monkey's Uncle on 7/29/2013 6:30:30 PM , Rating: 2
or a $17K Nissan cube or a 2001 Pontiac Aztek.


How are Leaf sales doing?
By Chaser on 7/29/2013 3:27:50 PM , Rating: 2
There are many that will appreciate a BMW EV.




By Monkey's Uncle on 7/30/2013 5:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
Where. Not seeing this 'many' here or anywhere else that lump of wasted engineering is discussed.

I would expect a brand like BMW to compete against other premium Electrics like the Tesla. Instead they are trying to compete with the likes of Leaf, Prius EV, Focus Ev and Volt (and not so favorably).


Mega, Giga, Tera?....
By BillyBatson on 7/29/2013 4:04:30 PM , Rating: 2
BMW is on something. This vehicle doesn't embody anything BMW has stood for for decades not its design, performance, or namesake.
This should probably have been under the Mini Cooper brand and the only reason it isn't is because Mini won't command a $42k price tag once it goes all electric and they think the blue and white prop swirl on the hood will sell at that price.




EV
By f148vr on 7/29/2013 4:35:15 PM , Rating: 2
The design of this car seems to be driven by function rather than form. But if it can live up to the driving dynamic that has made BMW famous, I think it will do well. I've had the privilege of having both ICEV and EV, I must say that EV offers much more satisfying power delivery and performance characteristics that ICE simply cannot match.

Any naysayers really should first go drive an EV before render any opinions.




ugliest BMW ever...
By javiergf on 7/29/2013 5:20:09 PM , Rating: 1
that thing is as ugly as sin....




RE: ugliest BMW ever...
By russki on 7/29/13, Rating: -1
RE: ugliest BMW ever...
By Monkey's Uncle on 7/29/2013 6:32:24 PM , Rating: 2
Um... No.

This is uglier. Far uglier.


what about the tech?
By EddyKilowatt on 7/30/2013 6:52:39 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, doesn't this site have 'Tech' in its title? This is just the BMW press release copied into the blog template.

What kind of motor/inverter does it have? What's the battery chemistry (anode/cathode materials) and cell format? How's battery temperature managed? What does the vehicle have for heating and cooling? And how about some scuttlebutt about how they plan to build that composite passenger compartment?




by god
By Nortel on 7/29/2013 3:12:04 PM , Rating: 1
I just threw up a little.




huh?
By Argon18 on 7/29/13, Rating: -1
RE: huh?
By Shig on 7/29/2013 3:39:00 PM , Rating: 2
The majority of electric cars are sold in California, California uses almost no coal. Nice try.


RE: huh?
By Florinator on 7/29/2013 3:46:50 PM , Rating: 2
Plus, it's also about economies of scales, one coal power plant producing electricity for 1,000 cars could produce less pollution than 1,000 cars burning gasoline individually. It could also be more efficient beyond a certain scale.


RE: huh?
By Mitch101 on 7/29/2013 4:27:13 PM , Rating: 2
Laser is really close to being an alternative. I think we will see it within 5 years.


RE: huh?
By Argon18 on 7/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: huh?
By SublimeSimplicity on 7/29/2013 4:09:08 PM , Rating: 3
Less than 1% of the battery by weight is Lithium.


RE: huh?
By wiz220 on 7/29/2013 5:27:07 PM , Rating: 2
At some point the grid will run on things other than coal, or any other fossil fuel for that matter. The cars are agnostic as to how the electricity they use is produced. Who knows what will power the grid in the future, but we do know that oil, and fossil fuels in general, will run out at some point. The future of the grid most likely lays in many forms of renewables like wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, maybe even nuclear fusion so at that point the car's power will be clean. Better to get our vehicle fleet off of oil ASAP to make the transition that much easier.


RE: huh?
By StormyKnight on 7/29/2013 11:55:08 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I'm sure there will be. Then you can kiss your weekend drive into the country for the sights. The blue skies, trees and lakes will be blocked by mammoth wind turbines and solar collecting fields. Oh joy!!


RE: huh?
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 1:34:05 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure there will be areas where the residents won't allow these things to be built much like nuclear powerplants are blocked now.


RE: huh?
By BRB29 on 7/30/2013 8:25:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, I'm sure there will be. Then you can kiss your weekend drive into the country for the sights. The blue skies, trees and lakes will be blocked by mammoth wind turbines and solar collecting fields. Oh joy!!


No. If we have to kiss our weekend drive into the country for sights good bye, then it's most likely because of population growth. That will never happen as the earth can only sustain so many humans since we create so much waste and pollution. Before that even happen, humans will probably kill themselves through endless wars or enforce a world wide population control policy.

It's clear that everyone is looking at nuclear fusion for the future. Stop imagining some BS world covered with wind turbines and solar panels. We don't even have the resources to do that. This is the real world, not Final Fantasy


RE: huh?
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 12:42:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's clear that everyone is looking at nuclear fusion for the future.
Except the environmentalists that attempt to block every single nuclear plant with endless lawsuits. Also, you must not get out often (most city folks don't despite their claims to be "worldly") as wind farms are ALREADY "polluting" formerly beautiful views.


RE: huh?
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/2013 12:53:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No. If we have to kiss our weekend drive into the country for sights good bye, then it's most likely because of population growth. That will never happen as the earth can only sustain so many humans since we create so much waste and pollution. Before that even happen, humans will probably kill themselves through endless wars or enforce a world wide population control policy.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Liberal alert!!!


RE: huh?
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/30/2013 3:34:49 PM , Rating: 2
More like a retard alert....


RE: huh?
By johnsmith9875 on 7/29/2013 6:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
Lithium is recyclable


RE: huh?
By Keeir on 7/29/2013 10:11:24 PM , Rating: 2
Friend, I think you don't really understand what your talking about...

Most states use relatively minor amount of coal. In the last 12 months, only 38% of ALL US electricity was generated by coal.

If you power an electric car off the US grid as an average, there is not a less poluting or less CO2 producing car. If you stick 3-4 people in one, you reach modern bus/train efficieny.

For Lithium. Typically it takes around ~3 lbs of Lithium Carbonate to refine enough likely for a 1 kWh Lithium Cobalt battery. Assuming this ratio is common/similiar to others, a 15 kWh battery (perfectly fine with a range extender) means you need... 45 lbs of Lithium Carbonate. (As a side note, Lithium Carbonate costs less than 1/lb right now. So in a Tesla Model S, you get around 300 dollars of lithium)

Lithium is not "strip" mined. Lithium disolves in water. The typical method today is to find a place that is hot and dry. Pump water in the ground and dry it out in pools.

Oh course, we could always just refine it out of Sea Water for around 2.50-5.00/lb. I think adding an additional 750 dollars to the cost of a 90,000 EV would be hardly noticable.

Or, best yet, a better type of battery is discovered. Zinc-Air for instance would work well in a 100% battery swap type system. Lithium is just the first that offers the power, recharging efficieny, and kWh/kg to make a car feasable.


RE: huh?
By Jeffk464 on 7/30/2013 11:23:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The majority of electric cars are sold in California


Electrics do better in mild climates, its kind of a natural fit.


RE: huh?
By CharonPDX on 7/29/2013 4:02:08 PM , Rating: 5
Stale argument - it has to start somewhere. Even a powered-mostly-by-coal electric car is cleaner than an equivalent gasoline car.

And you can make an electric car greener by switching the source of electricity generation - your gasoline car is stuck the way it was when you bought it.


RE: huh?
By Argon18 on 7/29/13, Rating: 0
RE: huh?
By roykahn on 7/30/2013 6:00:23 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
This is not an improvement


Less noise pollution, less air pollution, ability to use green power to generate electricity, less reliance on foreign oil, etc. Improvement must be a fad, huh?


RE: huh?
By erin11zamarripa on 7/29/13, Rating: -1
RE: huh?
By Reflex on 7/29/2013 6:34:33 PM , Rating: 2
US energy is not primarily provided by coal and has not been for several years now. Natural gas took the lead once fracking became wide scale and drove natural gas prices down. Renewables have also been rising and are a significant percentage of overall production.

Furthermore in many states electric cars are quite clean, Washington State for instance has about 85% of its power generated by hydro and nuclear, and around 5% more from renewables(mostly wind). The last coal plant in the state is scheduled to be shut down in 2025.

I was an electric skeptic for a long time, but honestly its starting to make sense, and in some areas its stupid not to go electric given how cheap a vehicle can be had at this point.


RE: huh?
By Jeffk464 on 7/30/2013 11:26:31 AM , Rating: 2
People also look at the upfront cost not the overall cost of ownership. We are talking zero maintenance and extremely cheap energy costs. Of course it remains to be seen how long the average battery pack will last.


RE: huh?
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 12:49:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We are talking zero maintenance and extremely cheap energy costs.
You need to move to CA. Energy is anything but cheap here. Oh, and they want to raise prices even more! I'm just glad we're not your typical American family with its AVERAGE 1000kWh per month energy usage. What I find hilarious about that number is that despite all this green talk, people use the same amount of energy they've always been using.


RE: huh?
By Jeffk464 on 7/30/2013 2:36:59 PM , Rating: 2
And now your going to have to pay for decommissioning and babysitting San Onofre Nuclear plant for the next 1000 years. ha ha ha ha ha


RE: huh?
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 4:29:37 PM , Rating: 2
Not getting this comment. If you own an EV, you'd be paying for that too.


RE: huh?
By toffty on 7/29/2013 7:12:26 PM , Rating: 1
It takes more electricity to just REFINE a gallon of OIL than it does to drive 20 miles in my Nissan Leaf.

This doesn't even bring in the fuel that's burned to transport the oil or pump it either.


RE: huh?
By Keeir on 7/29/2013 10:16:49 PM , Rating: 2
Very little electricity is required to refine a gallon of gasoline. Now, refinaries will use alot of electricity, but I doubt you are considering the lights at the local power plant as counting against an EV.

What is required for refining is significant heat source. Typically this heat is provided by Natural Gas or crude products. If these BTUs were turned into electricity, then you would get significant milage out of any EV. Some rough math based on ANL efficienys says you'd be able to charge ~2 kWh into a battery of an EV for each gallon of crude refined to products. So 8-12 miles.


RE: huh?
By Spuke on 7/30/2013 1:36:53 AM , Rating: 2
Always good stuff Keeir. Appreciate your facts not emotional, religious BS.


RE: huh?
By Reflex on 7/30/2013 6:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
The cost of keeping the lights on at the power plant is certainly factored into the cost of electricity sold. Besides, at the end of the day I did the math on driving my diesel Jeep vs driving a Tesla. I spend about $3500/year on diesel. I would spend about $370/year in electricity for a Tesla.

I didn't even get into the difference in maintenance costs. But damn does electric start paying for itself fast.


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