advocates believe that any monitoring
of a person's driving habits or habits of their daily lives is an
invasion of privacy, and many consumers agree with this. There have
been flight data recorders or black boxes on commercial aircraft for
years to help determine the cause of a crash, and no one seems to
mind those.Lawmakers in Washington are working on draft
legislation that proposes new safety features on all new
automobiles along with mandatory black boxes for automobiles. Privacy
advocates are against the black boxes, but major carmakers have
announced that they are for the black boxes today.The big
three automakers along with Toyota have announced that they
mandatory black boxes on cars and brake override systems on
new cars. Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers president and CEO Dave
McCurdy will tell a house panel today that the automakers support
some of the new safety suggestions offered in the draft legislation.
McCurdy's alliance represents GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, and seven
other companies.McCurdy's prepared testimony will say, "The
Alliance supports a vehicle brake override standard that will
reassure consumers that they can count on their automobiles. Brake
override technology is a comprehensive solution to unintended
acceleration, whether it's caused by faulty electronics or a pedal
getting caught in a floor mat; therefore, a pedal placement
rulemaking would not provide additional safety benefits."Support
for black boxes and brake overrides appear to be a preemptive move by
the automakers to try to prevent legislation that could force other
safety measures like specific rules for pedal placement. However, the
alliance is concerned about some of the proposed black box
capabilities such as those saying the boxes in cars should be like
those in airplanes. Aircraft black boxes cost about $22,000; versions
in cars that often cost less than the price of the aircraft black box
would need to be much cheaper. The automotive black boxes under the
proposed legislation would have to record 60 seconds of data before a
crash and 15 seconds after.The alliance of automakers also
supports "the intent" of a keyless ignition system that
would allow for the ignition of a vehicle to be turned off, killing
the engine of a vehicle in an emergency. This is yet another way to
acceleration and would appear to be redundant in the face of a
quote: Aircraft black boxes cost about $22,000; versions in cars that often cost less than the price of the aircraft black box would need to be much cheaper.
quote: The only problem is, the box might rip apart due to the time dilation/time length/spacial length differential between the inside and outside box.
quote: OR, maybe it will just record the speed and pedal activity of the car for the 60 seconds before the deployment of an airbag and 15 seconds after and not do any of those things.
quote: You're right, that is all it may do currently--however, it opens the door towards further violating those liberties...
quote: This doesn't even cover the fact that the boxes will ultimately cost the consumer more to buy the automobile.
quote: The only liberty lost with the proposed 75 seconds is the liberty to try and defraud a company.
quote: just a group of elected officials doing what their voters desire
quote: Oh really? How come they passed healthcare reform when the overal concensus on random walk polling pointed towards greater than 50% of Americans were against them doing so?
quote: Debating the Health Care topic lately with some, I've noticed a good majority of why people were against it was based on misinformation it seems.
quote: Even the premise of the debate is silly. Do you actually believe this President and THIS administration pushed for something so hard, pulled out all the stops, because it was GOOD for you and me and the country?? Do you actually believe we needed to change EVERYONE'S health care because some 30 million ( even that number was inflated ) didn't have health care ??
quote: Please, abandon your habit of cheap attacks and list some actual points. I welcome an intelligent open debate, but you've already started the mud slinging, and that just makes those that hold your views look bad. If you really care about what's at the heart of this debate, then contribute in a humane way.
quote: I can direct you to the actual information regarding the matters.
quote: I know many hard working people that were screwed by their health insurance providers.
quote: The small business I work at has been getting hammered with health insurance premiums that have risen every year for the past few years (In some cases, multiple times per year) - And even after getting top tier insurance, they still refused to pay for some normal procedures. Real hard working Americans have this problem, and there was a definite need to stop this abuse.
quote: Now, he's finding out he qualifies for tax credits for what he pays for employee's insurance, helping to make it more affordable for him (The exact opposite of what opponents of this bill wanted him to believe)
quote: Forget Obama, Death Panels, and everything else. This is the true heart of the debate. That people like you actually think the people and country will be better off with the Government taking one sixth of our private economy, muscling out the private sector, and providing AND managing health care.
quote: I love all the pro-gov side people like who who claim to actually have all the information. Even though the bill is thousands of pages long, they haven't actually read it, and they believe ANYTHING in it is written in stone and won't be altered later.
quote: I know many hard working people who were screwed by government run programs. What's your point? So if it's not perfect lets scrap the whole thing?
quote: The reason this is the case is BECAUSE government in the first place. We don't truly have a "free market" health care system anymore. The amount of unfunded mandates the government has placed on Insurance providers is so numerous and well documented, I'm constantly disappointing that it has to keep being brought to you peoples attention. When you increase operating expenses on a business, it's ALWAYS passed down to the customer. This is basic business 101 stuff here.
quote: Not too long ago in this country you could actually walk into a doctors office or hospital and pay a very reasonable cash price for services rendered. You did not "need" insurance. You did not need a health plan. Hell you didn't even need a referral. Now honestly ask yourself, what changed? What middle man got involved and gummed up the works with mandates, bureaucracy, legislation, regulations, taxes ect ect. Hmmm it's a tough one, who knows !?
quote: You completely mischaracterise me and others on this issue. We are FULLY aware that we need health care reform. However this plan isn't the way to go about it. In fact it's SO off the mark on what we actually need, I'm convinced people on your side aren't for "reform", they are simply for "free government ran health care.". Except if you think it's expensive now, wait until it's "free"!
quote: Who's paying for those tax credits though? You people are amazing. I honestly think you guys believe Obama has a magical Wealth Machine that can subsidize everything from water heaters to cars to health care, sign trillion dollar "stimulus" plans, and everything else under the sun and somehow everything will turn out fine. Most of this being done during the worst economy in decades and periods of hyper-unemployment.
quote: This plan is raw, naked, uncut socialism and wealth redistribution. Up close and in our faces. And if you will at least concede THAT, I would be willing to maybe go halfway with you. But I cannot sit here and debate someone who is arguing about a tree while the whole forest burns around him.
quote: you think the government is our keeper, protector and our friend?
quote: The point is that the people who want black boxes as good as in aircraft (previous sentence) are asking for more than is economically feasible.
quote: Second, what happens if the Override fails and brakes for no reason?
quote: In England they are already issuing speeding tickets based on GPS data.
quote: If that were an easy leap for legislators to pass, believe you me we would all have a speed governor already (afterall that would be far easier than data mining).
quote: There have been flight data recorders or black boxes on commercial aircraft for years to help determine the cause of a crash, and no one seems to mind those.
quote: The big three automakers along with Toyota have announced that they will support mandatory black boxes on cars and brake override systems on new cars.