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Language buried in MediaDefender’s EULA promises to report pirates to the authorities

Those of you following the P2P scene may have read my recent coverage of the bad luck that has befallen Santa Monica-based MediaDefender, Inc, whose primary goal, it seems, is to poison and thwart material on P2P networks. In case you haven’t, you may want to go back and check those stories out.

Recall also to early last July, where it was discovered that video-sharing site MiiVi.com, also appearing as MiiVi.net, was wholly owned and operated by MediaDefender, and more importantly, owned in secret: MiiVi made no mention of its association with MediaDefender on the site, and the only reason the site was unmasked was because of poorly maintained DNS records, which straight-out listed MediaDefender employees as primary contacts.

Understandably, a brief e-mail from MediaDefender CEO Randy Saaf appeared in my inbox shortly after publishing the first MiiVi article. In it, Mr. Saaf dismissed the original claims of MiiVi’s intent as “complete fabrications” and demanded we print a retraction. In the interest of fairness Mr. Saaf’s comments were posted in an additional article, where we also wrote that he was quoted on Digital Daily denying on record that MiiVi collected information for legal actions.

So then, what was MediaDefender intending to do with MiiVi?

Unfortunately, the e-mail leak didn’t reveal much about MiiVi’s long-term goals; the majority of content tended to focus on the minutia of the site’s development. Nestled amongst the all the chatter, however, was a copy of MiiVi’s preliminary EULA, of which a clause in the “User Conduct” section proves to be very interesting:

You agree not to use, endorse, or in any other way allow use of the Product to … copy, reproduce, store, transmit, post, submit, publicly display or manage any material that may infringe the intellectual property rights or other rights of third parties, including trademark, copyright, patent or right of publicity.

This is a relatively innocuous clause, right? Statements like the one above are relatively standard fare for P2P apps, even if they are ignored. The wording sports teeth, however, when viewed in conjunction with the EULA’s listed “Measures and Enforcement” policies (emphasis added):

Your failure to comply with any of the provisions mentioned under the User Conduct section … automatically nullifies any obligation Miivi may have to contact you or provide you with any notice required by this Agreement or by law …  if Miivi believes, in its own discretion, that you directly may be connected with such activities, Miivi may be required to disclose such a conduct and the suspected infringing user's (i.e., your) Data or Information to the proper authorities.

For all we know, these sections may have been edited out in the EULA’s final (or, at least, most recent) form. Maybe MiiVi had no intention of acting on the provisions shown above. But wouldn’t that be a conflict of interest for MediaDefender? Do you think MediaDefender would retain even one of their clients if their clients knew about a MiiVi that took a permissive stance on piracy?



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Why is this legal?
By dubldwn on 10/1/2007 12:39:53 PM , Rating: 5
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what was MediaDefender intending to do with MiiVi?

I agree with you and Admiral Ackbar about this being a trap. This is like dressing up a cop like a hooker, but they’re not law enforcement. So, when is MediaDefender’s court date?




RE: Why is this legal?
By OxBow on 10/1/2007 2:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
Entrapment is illegal, regardless of whether you work for a law enforcement agency or not. The trick with this is that they'd pursue violators using cease & desist orders and "bill" the violators for infringement (probably on stationary that actually looked like a fine). At worst they'd have ended up in civil court, rather than criminal court, where the standards for entrapment and burden of proof are less.


RE: Why is this legal?
By Misty Dingos on 10/1/2007 2:26:40 PM , Rating: 2
Just like dressing up a cop like a hooker it isn't entrapment if the perp initiates the illegal act.

But unlike the cops they can’t go about acting under false pretenses. That is misrepresentation or fraud.


RE: Why is this legal?
By mdogs444 on 10/1/2007 8:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, i think police have different legal abilities to do this - especially for prostitution and drug busts.


RE: Why is this legal?
By Ringold on 10/1/2007 4:26:31 PM , Rating: 3
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This is like dressing up a cop like a hooker,


Our pirates can't repel seduction of that magnitude!


RE: Why is this legal?
By Hawkido on 10/1/2007 6:33:17 PM , Rating: 2
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This is like dressing up a cop like a hooker,


I think I would notice the 5 o'clock shadow...

LOL

And, yes, I AM talking about the female cops in our town.

LOLZ


RE: Why is this legal?
By mdogs444 on 10/1/2007 8:20:36 PM , Rating: 3
If all women in your town have beards, Im glad as hell i dont live there!


RE: Why is this legal?
By Pythias on 10/8/2007 8:32:20 AM , Rating: 2
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Our pirates can't repel seduction of that magnitude!


Yearrgh! Neither can I.... What?


Remember kids...
By Proteusza on 10/2/2007 8:49:57 AM , Rating: 2
its okay to lie, extort, steal, fabricate, bully, threaten, and invade the privacy of people to keep them from using stuff they wouldnt have bought anyway.

Its okay to do those same things to the people who did actually buy your stuff to keep them from not buying your stuff.




RE: Remember kids...
By tedrodai on 10/2/2007 9:55:26 AM , Rating: 6
<EULA>
YOU ("The Reader") AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS EULA BY READING THIS POST. Tedrodai ("The Author") explicitly reserves the right to seize all assets of the business organization MediaDefender, Inc. ("Really Stupid Company"), if you read the entirety of this post. The Reader may decline to be bound by this agreement by buying The Author a new (non-clip-on) tie.
</END EULA>

You've got to be kidding me.

quote:
automatically nullifies any obligation Miivi may have to contact you or provide you with any notice required by this Agreement or by law


RE: Remember kids...
By Pythias on 10/8/2007 1:57:33 PM , Rating: 2
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automatically nullifies any obligation Miivi may have to contact you or provide you with any notice required by this Agreement or by law


Unconscionable Contract I would think.


Oh my... read between the lines
By mars777 on 10/4/2007 7:09:39 PM , Rating: 2
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Your failure to comply with any of the provisions mentioned under the User Conduct section … automatically nullifies any obligation Miivi may have to contact you or provide you with any notice required by this Agreement or by law … if Miivi believes, in its own discretion, that you directly may be connected with such activities, Miivi may be required to disclose such a conduct and the suspected infringing user's (i.e., your) Data or Information to the proper authorities.


Now:

quote:
Your failure to comply with any of the provisions mentioned under the User Conduct section


If you do p2p movies

quote:
automatically nullifies any obligation Miivi may have to contact you or provide you with any notice


they will not warn you,

quote:
required by this Agreement or by law


even if they said that or the law forces them,

quote:
if Miivi believes, in its own discretion, that you directly may be connected with such activities,


and on a mere suspect on you,

quote:
Miivi may be required to disclose such a conduct and the suspected infringing user's (i.e., your) Data or Information to the proper authorities.


they will just put you in court or report to the copyright owners so you get a cease or desist in no time.

Now to sum up:

If you do p2p movies they will not warn you, even if they said that or the law forces them, and on a mere suspect on you, they will just put you in court or report to the copyright owners so you get a cease or desist in no time.




RE: Oh my... read between the lines
By mars777 on 10/4/2007 7:20:29 PM , Rating: 2
That's what they do.

And here is what a Miivi user does:

Goes there, gives his name and last name, etc...
They record his IP address, and check it directly on their ziptorrent client to see if he eis doing something illegal.
If he does they give his personal data to the cops or publishers.

We are like in China, we just aren't monitored by the government but by companies working with the govs.


RE: Oh my... read between the lines
By fifolo on 10/5/2007 11:41:17 PM , Rating: 2
The line between the government and the corporations is blurring. They already employ the Federal Government as their legal branch.


RE: Oh my... read between the lines
By Ringold on 10/7/2007 9:21:44 PM , Rating: 2
Given the fact that it's stealing copyrighted material, they're just doing what law enforcement can't.

A little bit of vigilante justice, perhaps, but hey, I'm all for vigilante justice. :P


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