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Wikiasari, the project aimed at competing with Google and Yahoo, will be coming soon

The founder of the vastly popular Web encyclopedia Wikipedia is planning on developing Wikiasari, an Internet search engine which will compete with Yahoo and Google.  In an interview with The Times of London, Jimmy Wales mentioned that his web site search engine will utilize the same user-based technology that Wikipedia uses.

Feeling that Google's computer-based algorithmic searches can be sometimes easily manipulated, Wikiasari hopes that user-based human judgment will be significantly better.  Because spammers and commercial ventures are learning and adapting to be able to manipulate Google's search methods, Wikiasari may have a viable alternative search method.  

In the same interview with The Times of London, Wales said:  "Google is very good at many types of search, but in many instances it produces nothing but spam and useless crap.  Try searching for the term 'Tampa hotels', for example, and you will not get any useful results."

Wales has said that he understands that trying to compete and catch up to major search engine competitors will be a daunting task.  A provisional launch is planned for the first quarter of 2007, according to Wales.

Contrary to what was reported in The Times, the Wikiasari project is not partnered with Amazon.com.  Wikia, another project with Wales at the helm, has received project funding from Amazon.com.  Wales has issued a statement on the Wikia main page



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Why would they want to do that.
By phatboye on 12/24/2006 1:46:12 PM , Rating: 3
If anything Wikipedia should thank Google for Wikipedia's popularity. Everytime I search on Google for something Wikipedia is usually in one of the top ten links. I don't think Wikipedia would have ever became as popular is it is now if it wasn't for Google.




RE: Why would they want to do that.
By feelingshorter on 12/24/2006 2:32:19 PM , Rating: 1
And what does results in Yahoo/Microsoft search give you? Wiki would still be as popular without google. I see it as the other way around. Wiki gives very relevant information, and thats why it is popular. If Google didn't give so many search results to wiki, then Google wouldn't have been so popular. Google is in it to make $ = more relevant results = more people using google = more $. Wiki has no commercial interest because it is nonprofit, so I would say it is Google's best interest to put wiki on their search results, not the other way around. Wiki gives relevant information in the first place, Google wants to give relevant search results, so they have to put wiki in the results or other search engines will.


RE: Why would they want to do that.
By phatboye on 12/24/2006 7:38:38 PM , Rating: 3
Google was popular way before Wikipedia was popular.


RE: Why would they want to do that.
By heffeque on 12/25/2006 3:19:26 PM , Rating: 2
Not as much in the states as in europe but... yes, google has been a big factor for wikipedia, and even more knowing that google gave support for wikipedia wen it started getting big and couldn't handle data by itself. Strange that wikipedia would do that to google but maybe there's more to it than what the eye can see.


RE: Why would they want to do that.
By Lonyo on 12/25/2006 5:53:03 AM , Rating: 3
I think your last line is right, but mainly because Google has begun to suck.
For most things, I go straight to wikipedia to look them up, wherever possible.
I try and mostly avoid Google because it takes a long time and a lot of customising the search terms to get anything like a useful result.


RE: Why would they want to do that.
By Duwelon on 12/25/2006 5:32:00 PM , Rating: 3
I thought i was the only one. Google has started to suck, bad. Too many google searches I do now have to include -buy -zdnet -cnet -price to weed out the overabundance of stupid advertisements and just plain crap. Another reason I'm starting to not like google is that it's getting popular for forums to include an obnoxious amount of advertisement until you register and actually be logged into your account. I guess google see's growth beginning to slow and are getting desperate, which sucks.


By nurbsenvi on 12/26/2006 12:05:45 AM , Rating: 2
humans have moral
companies don't.


Step 1
By Dulanic on 12/24/2006 1:33:23 PM , Rating: 5
Step 1: Change the name, cause most people will forget how to spell it and just type google instead.




RE: Step 1
By Mezo on 12/24/2006 1:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
they can change it to wiki its much easier :)


RE: Step 1
By achintya on 12/24/2006 1:58:09 PM , Rating: 3
and on top of it, the url www.wiki.com is owned by wikia (all owned by mediawiki).... or a name like wikisearch would be good....


RE: Step 1
By codeThug on 12/24/2006 5:14:08 PM , Rating: 3
Nah.

I'm thinking woogle would be the best...


RE: Step 1
By clayclws on 12/24/2006 2:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, Wikisearch is better than Wikiasari. That sounds like Intisari...which means listing/programmes/plans in Malay...maybe that's what they aimed it 2 sound like...


RE: Step 1
By nurbsenvi on 12/26/2006 12:03:04 AM , Rating: 1
no wikiasari sounds like muslim

jihad asari ac bat!! allah ac baaaaaaaaaat!!


Spelling
By jeffbui on 12/24/2006 3:52:17 PM , Rating: 5
If they want a search engine that works, they need to fix the one on wikipedia first. Try finding an article with a difficult spelling. The suggested results bring up nothing.




fix wiki searc first
By mythosmint on 12/24/2006 5:22:42 PM , Rating: 3
i agree with jeffbui on this one. you need to fix the wikisearch to give suggested spellings and become a better search in general. you might try this before making a leap to compete with google.




Tampa hotels
By Yawgm0th on 12/24/2006 1:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of useful results on the first page if you Google 'tampa hotels' without quotes.

Still, I can see some merit to this idea. There are a lot of ways to artificially increase a web sites placements on a results list that could be partially avoided with a user-based ranking system.




kudos to him
By msva124 on 12/24/2006 2:05:36 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure if user based rankings will work, but there are certainly ways to improve upon the standard algorithms that most search engines use. At the very least it will be an interesting experiment.




I see a lot of potential here for sure
By tk109 on 12/24/2006 2:37:57 PM , Rating: 2
I found a lot of useful links too with Tampa Hotels. But there is a lot of crap too. A lot more than I'd like to see when doing any search thats for sure.

This does sound very promising. Wkipedia is great how users weed out the crap and approve only what is of good quality. If this same moderation could be applied to search engines this could work very well. I can see much more relavant search results comeing from this.




good luck with that one..
By teng029 on 12/24/2006 5:09:50 PM , Rating: 2
they're going to need it.




By ThisSpaceForRent on 12/24/2006 9:53:26 PM , Rating: 2
I should know, my company does this. We're selling a service so we make sure that when you search for it on Google, our website is the first that pops up.




By crystal clear on 12/26/2006 8:44:05 AM , Rating: 2
Quote-
"Because spammers and commercial ventures are learning and adapting to be able to manipulate Google's search methods,"

Unquote-
*As if Google is not aware of it,if its the case.
*Why was Google not asked to respond to this statement,to get its response to such an allegation.
*Google has its R&D dept who besides other projects, refines its search engine .They dont lack funding or qualified manpower.

Quote-
"Wikiasari may have a viable alternative search method."

Unquote-
*What guarrantee that this method is free & or immune from spammers & manupulations.

Quote-
"Wales has said that he understands that trying to compete and catch up to major search engine competitors will be a daunting task."

Unquote- Read this......

You can give the gift of knowledge by donating to the Wikimedia Foundation!
Live list of donations
Tax-deductibility of donations | FAQ | Financial statements (pdf)


Main Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

You cannot compete with Google with funding from donations-
some joke.....
In short its all P.R. blah blah....




....
By cciesquare on 12/27/2006 4:17:00 AM , Rating: 2
What makes you think this wiki search engine is going to stop a force that generates tens of billions. It is a business to exploit anything that is popular. His search engine might be better technology wise, but to claim you can stop spammers and prevent what he calls "crap", is like someone saying they have a system that is 100% security proof.

"Base on human judgment" Not sure if it was taken out of context but anyone that claims to rely on human judgment I have to to be cautious and in some sense be pessimistic.




Great
By bokep on 12/24/2006 5:07:39 PM , Rating: 1
Competition usually means the consumer wins. I'd love to see this put into place, with a different name :P.




By msva124 on 12/24/2006 4:01:51 PM , Rating: 4
Do you know how many people said that in 1996?

If it's a crappy search engine, then you're right. If it's innovative and well-done, you'll take back what you said.


By h0kiez on 12/26/2006 11:55:32 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah...so greedy that he's *giving* wikipedia away.


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