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New revelations come from the declassified document, but nothing about aliens (unfortunately)

If you grew up watching "The Twilight Zone" or "The X-Files" and wished you'd one day hear confirmation of the existence of aliens, that day is not today. 

The U.S. government has released a declassified report admitting that Area 51 (a remote detachment of Edwards Air Force Base) was really a place, and even sharing details of what it was used for in the early days. But if you're hoping for confessions about aliens, there isn't one mention of extraterrestrial beings (although there are redacted parts of the documents).

The report, titled "Central Intelligence Agency and Overhead Reconnaissance: The U-2 and Oxcart Programs, 1954-1974," is over 400 pages long and details the operations of Area 51 in Nevada. It also provides maps and pictures.  

According to the report, Area 51 was a testing facility for U-2 planes when it officially opened for business in 1955. The report said that the U-2 planes flew at an altiitude of 60,000 feet, which was higher than any other plane at the time. 


The report noted that test flights of the U-2 planes and the OXCART aircraft (which was Lockheed's A-12 reconnaissance aircraft for the CIA in the early 60s) accounted for over half of the UFO reports in the 1950s and 1960s. 

Some other interesting nuggets from the report include the fact that Lockheed employees had to be secretly transported from Burbank to Area 51 as U-2 airframe deliveries increased (as to not cause suspicion). Personnel would fly to Area 51 early Monday morning and return them to Burbank Friday evening. 

There were also three fatal crashes concerning U-2 planes in 1956. 

Area 51 also had a name change in order to sound more attractive to workers. It was re-branded "Paradise Ranch" or just "the Ranch" instead of a middle-of-nowhere-sounding facility called Area 51. 


Furthermore, the documents detailed British participation in the U-2 program (as a way of confusing Soviets and spreading the risk of failure); use of U-2 operations in India between 1962 and 1967 due to the Sino-Indian war in 1962; first mention of the Groom Lake site; U.S.-sponsored Chinese Nationalist U-2 operations, and a bit about the May 1, 1960 flight of Francis Gary Powers, who left from an airfield in Peshawar, Pakistan and was shot down by a Soviet surface-to-air missile. 

Source: The Atlantic Wire



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By Motoman on 8/16/2013 12:53:04 PM , Rating: 3
Are we alone in the universe? Almost certainly not.

Is there other intelligent life out there? Almost certainly.

Do they have spaceships? Good possibility.

Can they perform interstellar travel? Maybe.

Have they visited Earth? Doesn't look like it.

If they did, would they try to communicate with us by squashing our cornfields? No.




RE: XD
By superstition on 8/16/13, Rating: 0
RE: XD
By theplaidfad on 8/16/2013 1:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
You can only speak for yourself on that one.


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By gwem557 on 8/16/2013 10:22:22 PM , Rating: 1
Uh,hello? Intelligent life DOES exist, period. (Hint, look in a mirror). Therefore, his statement of OTHER intelligent life is perfectly apt.


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By Totally on 8/17/2013 8:54:02 PM , Rating: 2
I think he was trying to point out the fact that having the word 'other' in that sentence is redundant. As in what is 'other' referring to? Humans, Chimpanzees, Dolphins, some random critter?


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By getho on 8/19/2013 9:21:40 AM , Rating: 2
He was trying to point out that describing Homo sapiens as intelligent is open to debate. To paraphrase ghandi: when a little green man was asked what he thought of intelligent life on earth he said "I think that would be a good idea"

The Fermi paradox does not take into account that aliens might have visited and thought "on second thoughts we might leave these semi evolved simians to blow themselves up for a few more millennia then come back again"


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By Reclaimer77 on 8/19/2013 10:09:29 AM , Rating: 1
You know what? I'm really tired of that horseshit. Mankind is intelligent by any objective measure. We're fluent in mathematics and communication. We've harnessed the atom. We've traveled in space and soon will even have explored past our solar system, albeit remotely.

We have an insatiable need to explore, to question and seek answers. Our knowledge is constantly growing, adapting. If that's not a sign of intelligence, I don't know what is.

Sure we have wars and sickness and all that bad stuff. Guess what? The belief that aliens don't have those things, that they are singular to mankind, is a bunch of unfounded nonsense.

For all you know the first alien race we encounter could be interstellar slavers who conquer Earth and sell us off as slave labor. What will you think then of our "evolved" alien superiors?

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The Fermi paradox does not take into account that aliens might have visited and thought "on second thoughts we might leave these semi evolved simians to blow themselves up for a few more millennia then come back again"


Have you even read Fermi's paradox? It has nothing to do with that.


RE: XD
By hiscross on 8/19/2013 4:13:47 PM , Rating: 2
'For all you know the first alien race we encounter could be interstellar slavers who conquer Earth and sell us off as slave labor. What will you think then of our "evolved" alien superiors?" They better get a bigger space ship, because people on earth are rally getting awful fat.


RE: XD
By superstition on 8/21/2013 12:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yep. Some people apparently are challenged, both in terms of humor, and intellectually.


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By Ammohunt on 8/16/2013 1:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Have they visited Earth? Doesn't look like it.


Area 51 is the alien ship parking lot! don't you know anything! Hell if i could travel in an interstellar fashion the first place i would visit on an alien world would be the wasteland deserts that's where all the action is!


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By TacticalTrading on 8/16/2013 1:46:49 PM , Rating: 3
If I were an alien, I would skip this planet.
Humans... too hostile. They have issues with.... everything.

Next!


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By Motoman on 8/16/2013 1:54:39 PM , Rating: 4
Earth: Mostly harmless.


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By jamdev12 on 8/16/2013 4:25:02 PM , Rating: 5

Earthlings: Mostly harmful to themselves.


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By MTEK on 8/16/2013 4:35:33 PM , Rating: 3
Aliens might look upon us like we look upon fire ants. Best to move along. Not worth the trouble.


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By Mitch101 on 8/16/2013 5:46:14 PM , Rating: 2
I forget the scientist who said that but it was a good analysis of us being a Level 0 species.

So you have an intelligent race that's has the technology capable of crossing the universe and most like have been that way for quite a while. What makes you think they want to talk to us? Its the equivalent of us wanting to talk to the ants.

The best one I heard on Alien abduction is that they are people who remember their birth. That can explain Grey aliens because babies cant see color at birth, Bright Lights, and the probing. Sounded like a plausible answer to me and Ill take it till someone produces an alien with a thing for anuses.


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By Jeffk464 on 8/16/2013 6:46:54 PM , Rating: 2
Oh come on, what percent of planets in the Universe probably have civilizations? This planet has to be more interesting than most. But no I don't believe aliens have visited to make patterns in wheat fields or to abduct good old boys where were in the middle of playing out a big foot hoax.


RE: XD
By Jeffk464 on 8/16/2013 6:49:39 PM , Rating: 2
Current understanding is that interstellar travel can't be done in the star trek/star wars model. Rendezvous with Rama style of travel could be done but its not super practical


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By Piiman on 8/17/2013 12:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
"Current understanding is that interstellar travel can't be done in the star trek/star wars model"
You me in OUR understanding. That doesn't mean some race thats a 10 millions older and advanced than ours doesn't know how.


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By Reclaimer77 on 8/17/2013 8:25:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh come on, what percent of planets in the Universe probably have civilizations? This planet has to be more interesting than most.


Yeah everyone is so down on humanity. We've been conditioned by scientists and science fiction to think this way, but the fact is it's entirely possible that mankind on Earth is the most advanced civilization in the Universe. Why not?

We don't really know how life began on Earth, not fully, or exactly what sequence of events and conditions are required for it to take place. Not to mention maintain such life. Hell it's just plain dumb luck we're even here and the Earth isn't ruled by dinosaur-like creatures.

The vast cosmic distances between us and any other life out there are so incomprehensibly large, so astronomical, we might NEVER know if we're truly alone.


RE: XD
By sorry dog on 8/19/2013 4:21:14 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
....but the fact is it's entirely possible that mankind on Earth is the most advanced civilization in the Universe. Why not?


Now THAT is depressing.

That would mean the most intelligent species ever produced Keeping up with the Kardasians... I think I'd rather believe in the existence of Marvin the Martian.


RE: XD
By tamalero on 8/16/2013 4:50:09 PM , Rating: 3
I read that in mordin solus's voice.


RE: XD
By Hellfire27 on 8/16/2013 5:59:01 PM , Rating: 3
I'm still sad I had to kill him :(


RE: XD
By Samus on 8/16/2013 3:15:44 PM , Rating: 2
One thing Independence Day (and District 9) got right is, if we were visited (or attacked) by aliens, they would most certainly go to a populated area, presumably one with water and other resources.


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By Mitch101 on 8/16/2013 5:39:39 PM , Rating: 3
Vegas is close to Area 51. Maybe they visit the bunny ranch and get all freaky with earth women?


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By Motoman on 8/16/2013 5:43:01 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097257/

Downtown Julie Brown, baby.


RE: XD
By retrospooty on 8/19/2013 12:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
Awe, dood... That was "West coast" Julie Brown. "Downtown" Julie Brown was the VJ. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0113463/

But I think most of us would agree, both of them were really annoying ;)


RE: XD
By Motoman on 8/20/2013 2:26:14 PM , Rating: 2
F%cks...you're right. Apparently all it takes is 20 years of regretful living and I can no longer keep track of which Julie is which.


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By BillyBatson on 8/16/2013 9:59:30 PM , Rating: 2
Earth was never attacked in District 9, and they didn't go to one of earths most populated cities more like the middle of nowhere almost


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By amanojaku on 8/16/2013 1:32:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If they did, would they try to communicate with us by squashing our cornfields? No.
How do you know they aren't a bunch of smartass kids sneakin' the keys to the spaceship?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsgnASvxyyo


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By Cheesew1z69 on 8/16/2013 1:45:54 PM , Rating: 2
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By FITCamaro on 8/16/2013 1:42:26 PM , Rating: 5
I don't know about intelligent life in other parts of the universe. But I know this planet is becoming increasingly void of it.


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By Mitch101 on 8/16/2013 5:50:29 PM , Rating: 2
There is almost a documentary about that

Idiocracy
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Not a over the top funny movie but amusing view of humanity.


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By AngelOfTheAbyss on 8/16/2013 5:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
A sure sign there's intelligent life out there is that they have not bothered to contact us...


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By w8gaming on 8/16/2013 10:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
Many possibilities exist on why we have never detected evidence of alien life forms. One of them could be that an advanced space faring race that spans galaxies have seen millions of worlds with developing sentient creatures, they have seen it all and a tiny blue sphere in an out of the way star system at the fringe of a remote galaxy is nothing special. Just like us never bother to communicate with ants, they will not bother to talk to us. Now if us human suddenly find a race of ants which has built a rocket, we definitely will be interested to know more about them. So it stands to reason that advanced alien life forms will not attempted any communications with us until we reached substantial technological advancement.

Or maybe Einstein is correct and there is no way to traverse the vast distance between stars due to the limitations of speed of light, and therefore every alien civilizations just content to stay within their own star system and never travel to any other star.

Or maybe advanced technology is so beyond our imagining we have been staring the presence of alien life form travelling among the stars and yet fail to recognize it.


RE: XD
By maugrimtr on 8/19/2013 8:53:04 AM , Rating: 2
One minor problem. Our planet and Sun have a finite life. Eventually, our happy yellow Sun will turn into an angry red giant star that will either scorch Earth to dust or swallow it whole.

In other words, Humanity needs two things:

1. A distant planet capable of supporting a few dozen billion humans, preferably several.
2. A means of transporting dozens of billions of Humans across hundreds or even thousands of light years along with all the supplies needed to establish a civilization.

The alternative? Extinction. All of our accomplishes will be for absolutely nothing if we cannot survive the death of our star.


RE: XD
By DJ Brandon on 8/17/2013 1:57:23 AM , Rating: 1
Fact: Aliens have visited earth.

Anyone with half a brain knows there ARE aliens and they HAVE visited us.

1. TOO many unexplainable ships and sightings.
2. Unexplained historical anomalies.

Before anyone attempts to attack my credibility and accuse me of being abducted, NO I have not lol. There is just FAR too much evidence for anyone to think otherwise.

With all the solar systems out there, you are telling me there isn't a civilization MILLIONS of years ahead of us??

Anyone see the video of the "wormhole" with ships coming out of it?

We are such a young civilization with such new technology. It's very "caveman" and self centered to think no other civilization is that advanced.


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By Motoman on 8/17/2013 11:48:16 AM , Rating: 2
Faith in humanity: -1


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By Reclaimer77 on 8/17/2013 10:09:02 PM , Rating: 2
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With all the solar systems out there, you are telling me there isn't a civilization MILLIONS of years ahead of us??


Yes, yes I am.

Even if there was, how would they find Earth? How would they know it's populated?

You realize the distances involved in inter-stellar travel are so insanely, incomprehensibly vast, the chances of some "advanced" race making the effort to come here is zilch.

And how would they discover us? Our transmissions would take millions of years to get to them. Our best probe hasn't even left the solar systems yet.

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There is just FAR too much evidence for anyone to think otherwise.


What evidence? Where's the space-ships? Where's the bodies? You cannot believe the "Governments" could possible keep quiet a discovery of that magnitude and contain it 100%. What about attempts to communicate? Dude there's ZERO irrefutable evidence.

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We are such a young civilization with such new technology. It's very "caveman" and self centered to think no other civilization is that advanced.


But it's not self-centered to think aliens travel zillions of miles to anal probe humans and vandalize wheat fields?


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By retrospooty on 8/18/2013 10:08:35 AM , Rating: 2
"You realize the distances involved in inter-stellar travel are so insanely, incomprehensibly vast, the chances of some "advanced" race making the effort to come here is zilch."

I have to disagree with you on this one... The sheer size of the universe says that life has very likely evolved millions, if not billions of times over... The likelyhood of it being stable enough to evolve beyond microscopic is much smaller and "intelligent" life smaller still, but the possibilities are limitless. But lets just assume it has.

Think of where our technology has come in the past 500 years. 500+ years ago our best scientists thought the world was flat and it was impossible to circumnavigate it. 200 years ago, gunpowder was about the high of technology. 100 years ago, electricity was just starting to make its way into most homes across the US and Europe. 50 yers later, we are on the moon. Today, we have 100x the computing power of the moon landing on a watch (and not even a smartwatch) and we are growing replacement body parts in labs.

Thnk about where we will be in the next 100 years. How about 1000? 10,000? 100,000, 1,000,000 years? What if another civilization had 1 billion years head start on us? It wouldn't be about physically accelerating past the speed of light. It would be about manipulating the laws of physics and finding a more direct route, making wormholes, etc. Way beyond our current tech, but again, not impossible given a billion year head start.


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By Reclaimer77 on 8/18/2013 11:51:28 AM , Rating: 2
The belief that there are supreme alien races out there, millions of years more advanced than us, seems to be no different than religious faith. Both exist in the absences of any true analytical evidence. But ok, like you said, let's assume it has.

Why Earth? We're an insignificant planet in a very insignificant solar system in an insignificant part of an insignificant galaxy. How would they find us? How would they know where to look? HOW would they look at us, across vast interstellar distances? And WHY would they look here.

The civilization you're talking about could be in a galaxy so far away, the Milky Way is entirely occluded from them altogether.

So what's what I'm questioning. Even IF there was a race out there, and I don't believe there is, who could jump galaxies like you or I would walk down the street, WHY would they ever come to Earth?


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By retrospooty on 8/18/2013 1:05:22 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, there is no proof of it. My only point is to assume that we are all there is to the universe is extremely naive and excessively self important. Why would they visit earth? I would guess purely from a scientific study point Of view. The same way our scientists study other animals on Earth. With millions or billions of years head start there's no reason to think that they couldn't jump galaxies. There's also no reason to assume we could possibly imagine their motives. It would be like a dog trying to guess what Albert Einstein is thinking.


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By Reclaimer77 on 8/18/2013 9:57:04 PM , Rating: 2
I think of all the traits mankind is blessed, and cursed with, our seemingly limitless imagination has to count for something.

The fact that you or I can discuss such cosmic wonders, that writers and theorists can envision grand possibilities; that we've come so far in such a infinitesimal span of time as you pointed out - can it truly be said we're mere "ants" or dogs in the face of it?

Am I being too arrogant? I don't know, I don't feel arrogant. I'm just entertaining the possibility that, even if life exists out there, it may never be found. Or find us.


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By retrospooty on 8/18/2013 11:53:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. You can look at our imagination, selflessness, heroism, and technological advancements and think wow we are really doing great. Then you can look at our pettiness, and all of the things we fight about, lie, cheat, steal and even kill for and really get depressed. We are an amazing, disgusting, insane, inspired bunch. Lol


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By ammaross on 8/20/2013 12:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The belief that there are supreme alien races out there, millions of years more advanced than us, seems to be no different than religious faith.


Or one can assume they're one and the same, which could also conveniently answer your next question: "WHY would they ever come to Earth?"

Seeding life. Just like humans build a pond and put fish in it, aliens who could jump galaxies could likely create (or at least terraform) planets. Don't think I'm going off on an Intelligent Design bit, I'm merely postulating for sake of discussion, just like the rest of this topic (minus the trolls).


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By JediJeb on 8/21/2013 3:50:53 PM , Rating: 2
Life outside of Earth could be so eerily familiar to us or so totally foreign to us. The possibilities are endless as to the differences and levels of advancement relative to us.

The most bewildering thing I have ever heard though is someone who is a staunch proponent of evolution to the point of being fanatical that will also say they do not believe life exists elsewhere in the universe(and yes I have met those people). On the flip side there are those who believe in God who is the most powerful and supreme being that can create the entire universe with a word, yet deny that He could ever or would ever create any other life in the vast and wonderful universe He created. Both of those beliefs are just something I can not understand. Maybe no other life does exist, but you have to have a mind open enough to at least explore the possibilities.


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By jmarchel on 8/17/2013 9:32:38 AM , Rating: 2
This is not very scientific, but pure speculation. Fermi paradox indicates that intelligent life might be very likely alone in the galaxy at least.


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By Motoman on 8/17/2013 11:47:56 AM , Rating: 2
The Fermi paradox can be explained pretty well by physics itself. Which is to say, it appears that physics allows for no realistic manner of interstellar travel. Certainly nothing that approaches Star Trek.

The universe could be crawling with intelligent life...but if none of them have managed to discover some unknown-to-us qualities of physics that would allow for feasible interstellar travel, it's all but certain that *none* of them will ever come into contact with any of the others.


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By Strunf on 8/19/2013 7:30:12 AM , Rating: 2
The thing is that we don't really need to find a faster than light speed travel mechanism, if we somehow find a way to freeze ourself or have our mind loaded into a computer then time becomes relative, as in even if it would take thousands of years to travel anywhere it would still be possible to do it.


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By B2I on 8/17/2013 10:52:40 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone can read a current science book and conclude we are not alone. It takes real open mindedness to consider that we could be.


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By JoJoman88 on 8/19/2013 4:00:29 PM , Rating: 2
What gets me is that if you belive we evolved from pond scum that the odds are in the billions that the pond scum will become a space traveling civilation. Then factor in that there are few planets in the Goldie-locks zone where life as we know can live brings us to the fact according to the math that there will be few and far between that we will find space traveling civilations. Unless they are seeding habital planets with life to kick start things,advance life will be very rare indeed.


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By JediJeb on 8/21/2013 4:00:58 PM , Rating: 2
Except that we have already found at least one planet in the Goldielocks zone out of the less than what, one thousand, planets currently known around less than one thousand stars in our galaxy alone. That makes two planets including our own already discovered in the right zone after surveying less than 0.00001% of all the stars in our galaxy alone which is one galaxy out of billions itself.

Even if 1 planet exist in the habitable zone per thousand stars that still leaves 100,000,000 planets in the Milky Way in that zone.


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By Piiman on 8/17/2013 12:15:08 PM , Rating: 2
They would probably look at us like cock rouches and kill us all off before they moved in.


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