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Microsoft does not deny that their Xbox 360, shown here with its characteristic "red ring of death" failure, has had a 54.2 percent lifetime failure rate.
Microsoft argues, though, that it warranty makes failures only a minor inconvenience

Last week, GameInformer released a survey of 5,000 gamers that claimed the Xbox 360 console had a failure rate of 54.2, and a secondary failure rate much higher than that of other consoles.  The survey looked at the entire run of the Microsoft console -- so it isn't necessarily representative of Microsoft's latest less-failure-prone version of the console.

Microsoft has issued a statement about the report according to Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows.  Interestingly, Microsoft does not deny that the failure rate is that high.  It also does not deny claims that consoles frequently take a month or more to be fixed.

Writes Microsoft:

Microsoft stands behind the Xbox 360 as a superior entertainment console with one of the best warranties in the industry. We are constantly improving the design, manufacture and performance of the console through extensive testing of potential sources of any problems. Xbox 360 is pleased to maintain the title of 'most played console' and the vast majority of Xbox 360 customers have enjoyed a terrific gaming and entertainment experience since their first day, and continue to, day in and day out.

Microsoft's response boils down to two things.  First, Microsoft argues that as its warranty covers many basic repairs, their console's quality problems aren't as a big an issue.  Secondly, the statement references the numerous design improvements that Microsoft has rolled out since the console's introduction, including the Falcon platform, which included a 65 nm die shrink for the CPU, greatly reducing failure rates.

Fans of the Xbox 360 point to Microsoft's lower price than rival Sony as a key selling point.  They also point out that the console's online network leads the industry and that the console boasts the highest attach rate (number of games bought per console) of the next generation consoles.

Detractors, however, point to the high failure rate and cases like one user who had eleven consoles fail on him.  Thanks to their vocal criticism, the phrase RROD ("red ring of death") has entered gamers' colloquial vocabulary (when the Xbox 360 fails, three red LEDs light up, illuminating the ring-shaped power indicator red, hence the RROD).

Microsoft has reportedly spent over $1B USD to repair defective consoles, since the system's launch in November of 2005.



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How?
By BrandtTheMan on 8/24/2009 9:58:22 AM , Rating: 5
I don't understand how a product, that has such a high failure rate, seems to continue to succeed despite having so many issues. Kinda reminds me of certain Apple products. Crazy I tell ya




RE: How?
By mdogs444 on 8/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By ssjwes1980 on 8/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By mdogs444 on 8/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By mdogs444 on 8/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By chick0n on 8/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By erikejw on 8/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By chick0n on 8/25/2009 8:38:53 AM , Rating: 2
Well, we dont have any "next gen" yet.

but maybe they should rename them to "current gen"


RE: How?
By chick0n on 8/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: How?
By MrBlastman on 8/24/2009 11:25:39 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm, lets see, this article is about the Xbox... a console. The PS3 is a... console.

Wait. Apple doesn't make a console comparative to either. I think Mdogs comment is more relevant than you think. Or, perhaps you're the pot calling the kettle black and you yourself are a Xbox fanboi.

Didn't Mdogs say he doesn't play video games? I wanted to stay out of this subject but when I see something like you've posted, I just have to help things out a bit.


RE: How?
By FDisk City on 8/24/2009 10:29:47 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
...I don't really play games (besides with my women...


Like "Go Sleep on the Couch" and "Give Me Your Credit Card"?


RE: How?
By Lord 666 on 8/24/2009 10:40:20 AM , Rating: 3
Or the "My cell phone died so I couldn't call you when I got home" game. Maybe the "We'll get married when I save enough money for a ring" game. ;) jk


RE: How?
By christojojo on 8/24/2009 11:31:48 AM , Rating: 2
My favorites are the "Yes dear (OMG Why cant she shut up?) game followed by "What do you mean we are broke I just got paid and my bonus was this week?" and finally the "Well at least I get to sleep on the brand new Couch she bought when I wasn't listening to her" Game,

Sad but true games. Sometimes its cheaper to listen I guess.


RE: How?
By hduser on 8/24/2009 12:51:29 PM , Rating: 3
How about "Can you move your head, you're blocking the TV"?


RE: How?
By Sazar on 8/24/2009 2:24:07 PM , Rating: 3
Would that be the Red Ring of Death?

;)

j/k

I am a little shocked at the high failure rates personally. My Halo edition is still chugging along, but doesn't get much use these days.


RE: How?
By Iaiken on 8/24/2009 11:12:39 AM , Rating: 2
How's your math Gilligan? I got my PS3 80GB over a year ago for less than the cost of a 360 elite and only $50 more than a run-of-the-mill BluRay.

It's now running as both a PS3 and Yellow Dog Linux media server/PVR/slingbox that piggybacks off my 2TB SAN to record/serve content. In it's year of diligently entertaining my GF and I, my brothers 360 Elite has failed not once, but twice.

And some movies are definitely worth getting on BluRay. :P


RE: How?
By zinfamous on 8/24/2009 11:18:44 AM , Rating: 2
yup. I purchased my 60GB PS3 w/ backwards compatability, w/ BD player, w/ wiFi, etc, more than 2 years ago for the same price of a comparable 360 + HDDVD peripheral. Well, the 360 didn't have Wifi..and it was ~$50 more.

I bought it 98% for Blu Ray playback, and I remain just as happy now as 2 years ago.


RE: How?
By christojojo on 8/24/2009 11:40:08 AM , Rating: 1
Sorry, for me the Blueray is a no seller. I am not a Videophile nor would I buy a PS3 if I was one. I enjoy watching movies but I do that via lower quality DvDs and videos streaming via Netflix. I have serious doubts about BD ever really being uberpopular. I will wait a little longer and enjoy what I have.

I must confess that I do have a BD player on my laptop but I only have one movie that was nice but not IMHO worth the BD tax on movies compared to the DVD.

For me special effects must heighten the experience and not be the main show so old movies like John Wayne's Rio Bravo and fun movies like Kelly's Heroes mean more than a slightly crisper picture of Brad Pitt over posing for the Camera.


RE: How?
By omnicronx on 8/24/2009 11:51:28 AM , Rating: 1
Well many of us are Videophiles, (I'm more of an audiophile, but unless you have the setup this is irrelevent) and bought the PS3 specifically for BD. At the time it was a great buy, as no other standalone BD player was cheaper than the PS3, so it did not make sense to me to get a 1.1spec'd BD player instead of a PS3 that could be upgraded to 2.0 when the time came, let alone the fact you can also play games.

That being said, going forward I really think is not going to be the deal breaker. As BD player prices drop (and they have) the value of the PS3's BD player will drop with it.

As for the rest of your comment, go watch an action movie on a good BD setup, with a good 1080p set, and a real audio setup capable of DTS-MA/DDTrueHD/or even LPCM ala PS3 and you will be blown away. There are alot of movies that it just does not make sense, and an upscaled DVD version is more than enough, but pretty much any action movie is just begging to be watched in HD.

P.S you cannot watch a BD on your laptop and come to the conclusion that it does not have any big time benefit over DVD. Heck BD is pointless for any screen size smaller than 32 inches. You want better quality on a small screen, move yourself a few feet back and let your eyes will do the work.


RE: How?
By christojojo on 8/24/2009 12:25:41 PM , Rating: 2
Nice comment. I forgot about the prices when the BD was first released.

quote:
P.S you cannot watch a BD on your laptop and come to the conclusion that it does not have any big time benefit over DVD. Heck BD is pointless for any screen size smaller than 32 inches. You want better quality on a small screen, move yourself a few feet back and let your eyes will do the work.


I had my BD HDMI Cabled to the 42inch 1080P TV that I have. MY Sound though not quite new at 2 years old does a good job of blowing me away. I have been impressed by picture quality of a lot of HD programing but some of it scares me with the shallow Hollywood people.

I really do not want actors and actresses going through more of that plastic surgery stuff to get rid of "HD imperfections". Plus those fake huge lips that some of them have UUUUgh and even worse in HD. http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/2009/02/25/oh-g...

Which is why I probably like more movies made before the mid 70's than after.

I digress though. The movie that may make me go with a permanent BD set up though might be the latest Star trek Movie.

Sorry for the rambling especially since this article is about Xbox 360 failures and not Movies lol.

For the record my sons 360 died 80 days after purchase it was exchanged in store no questions asked. The next one lasted 3.25 years. I think it would have lasted longer if he didn't leave it on all night so many times. This one is a month old so far. At this point m family is committed to the Xbox for this generation. The next one I wont be so quick to jump without a stellar warranty to begin with.


RE: How?
By The0ne on 8/24/2009 1:32:57 PM , Rating: 1
I wouldn't say "many" as this is more of a niche market due to the high cost. This is exactly why the technology isn't taking off. Setting up your own high quality, high fidelity, high whatever systems isn't cheap. Most Joe's aren't going to shell out thousands for a movie setup.

Hell, I'm an engineer and I appreciate good special effects and sounds but I am surely not going to dump money into the setup until I can afford it :) For now it's high quality PMP, headphones, 72" HD TV and decent speakers. And this has already costed me thousands. Add to that I'm a bargain hunter and it's definitely not "many" that can have this type of setup.

That's not to say I don't know people who has set ups. But mostly, they really don't know what they're doing with any of the equipment. It's more or a prestige thing I guess. It's a "yea, I have a sweet setup that's not calibrate or tuned in anyway" type of thing :)


RE: How?
By omnicronx on 8/24/2009 1:59:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think the bottom line, is that once the 40GB PS3 was released, the BD player really helped push not only the console, but the format. Now that the PS3 is not the cheapest BD player by far, it does not have nearly as big of a push. Even non 'videophiles' were buying the PS3 just because it looked so good. It does not take a rocket scientist to plug an HDMI cable into a TV to get blown away.

I fully agree with your statement on full blown setups though, my system cost me close to 2K just for the audio portion, and I have yet to buy a top of the line TV (Yay Vizio). As such, those looking for perfection definitely dwell in a niche market.


RE: How?
By Gatos7 on 8/24/2009 2:07:35 PM , Rating: 1
Thats all nice and dandy ... but the main difference of xbox selling more than ps3 (at least outside US) is the fact that you can pirate Xbox games ...


RE: How?
By omnicronx on 8/24/2009 4:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
The 360 attach rate does not seem to agree with your findings. Microsoft Bans users from xbox live if using a modded machine, you are kidding yourself if you think modded 360's are pushing the 360 in the fashion. Xbox live and the lower price point push it far more than the ability to pirate ever could. (especially when live is a main selling point of the console)


RE: How?
By Iaiken on 8/24/2009 4:40:46 PM , Rating: 2
You're not a very good or imaginative pirate then.

One of my co-workers has been pirating on the same XBLID since launch... it's just a matter of being careful enough to have the hacked update before you connect.

He has never purchased a single game for his 360. Ever.


RE: How?
By Alexstarfire on 8/24/2009 3:56:22 PM , Rating: 2
I think if most of us had the money for that kind of set-up we wouldn't be complaining about the price of the PS3. I mean what's a couple hundred extra bucks when you've got thousands of dollars in electronics you're going to hook it up to?

Also, it was stupid for people to buy Blu-Ray in the first place. The PS3 is the only reason why it won. HD-DVD was superior in every way EXCEPT for it's storage capacity. And I personally don't see much of a difference between 30-45 GB and 50-75 GB when it comes to movies. That's a minimum of 3x the space and that's only assuming you use ALL of a DVD, which none of them do. On average it's probably close to 4.5x the space. Not much of a big deal that you can't put uncompressed audio on the DVD. What a total waste of space.


RE: How?
By zinfamous on 8/24/2009 1:07:22 PM , Rating: 1
well, there you go. I hate low-quality, highly compressed video you get via streaming.

I don't like to steal via torrents, either.

I'm not sure what you mean regarding "BD tax" on movies. I think that of the 30 or so BD/HD DVD movies I own, I've averaged $17 per title.

BD is far, FAR cheaper now than DVD ever was at the same point in it's lifetime. The price argument has never held water, as I assume most of you are familiar with the internet, and the amazing prices that can be found therein. Not to mention weekly specials at BB and CC (when they existed...).

Not sure about the last comment, but I'm a film buff, so special effects typically mean nothing to me. In fact, HD media is much more important for older movies, like Rio Bravo, Casablanca, Ben Hurr, whatever, as you can think of it as a restoration or archive-quality storage media. Any 35mm print is going to have far more detail and overall quality than even the current consumer shelf (Blu Ray) can represent.

DVD fell off in quality several years back when it became the consumer choice, as shittier and shittier transfers became the norm, Full Screen/altered presentations became more abundant to please the masses that simply didn't care what they were getting, so long as they could get it for $7 in the Wally World bargain Bin.

You will still get some sub-par transfers with BD, but as of now, it still remains below the mainstream, and as such enjoys that niche premium, I suppose.

I'm also not sure how popular it will become (as it will likely be limited to another superior format within 5-8 years?), but I have no problem paying $0-2 more for a new release BD vs an inferior DVD.

;)


RE: How?
By christojojo on 8/24/2009 3:45:27 PM , Rating: 1
BD tax via Bestbuy (Amounts in US dollars)
ex 1.) Monsters Vs. Aliens
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharse...[promotion%2C+synonymns]&_D%3Ap=+&pu=defaultusr&_D%3Apu=+&pt=1251003601&iht=n&_DARGS=%2Fsite%2Fen_US%2Fsearch%2Ffragments%2Fincludes%2Folssearchparameters.jsp.frmSearchResults

19.99 DVD
29.99 BD

ex 2.) Old 80's "Classic" The Last Starfighter
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9397...
14.99 DVD
24.99 BD

ex 3.) Rio Bravo
9.99 DVD
19.99 BD

Every item on here is a $10 BD tax.

I know the you can go to such and such sites but we are talking to the average buyer and the future buyer. The future buyer is going to see the Brick and Mortar Prices and ask themselves, "is this worth the price of entry?"


RE: How?
By Alexstarfire on 8/24/2009 4:15:59 PM , Rating: 1
And on the internet I can get my DVDs for $10 or less which still ends up cheaper than his $17 BD movies. BD has always been a joke to me and it always will.


RE: How?
By omnicronx on 8/24/2009 11:40:47 AM , Rating: 4
If everyone wanted an big upgradable HD, Wifi, a BD player and the ability to load linux then this would be great and dandy, and like you I too have a similar setup. That being said, just consider that you can buy a 360 for 200 dollars and play it out of the box. (512M mem card is more than enough if you just want to save games)

If gaming is your only concern, like it is for most people that buy consoles, than the 360 is a much better deal. Of course I think its pointless without HD cables, wifi and an HD, but I am not the average console user, and really neither are you, many people here including yourself seem to forget that.

The accessories needed to get to the value of the PS3 are irrelevant in this case. Its kind of like buying a car in which all you really want to do is get from point A to point B. You don't need a BMW M3 with all the fixens to get this done, sure there will be many people who find value in all the extra features and more powerful engine, but in the end if your goal is to get from point A to point B a Honda civic is more than enough, as both cars will fulfill this goal. (please don't go further into the car analogy, the point was to compare the main goal of the two models, nothing more)


RE: How?
By zinfamous on 8/24/2009 1:11:40 PM , Rating: 1
Oh, absolutely.

If I wanted to game, I would have gotten a 360. But I didn't--I just needed to replace my borked DVD player and at the time, the PS3 was easily the best choice on the market for going the HD route.


RE: How?
By BansheeX on 8/24/2009 3:50:47 PM , Rating: 3
The problem is, you can only simply go from point A to point B for so long in a Ford Pinto. Maybe the high-priced BMW wasn't so bad after all?


RE: How?
By Chaser on 8/24/2009 11:18:54 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure they give a "hoot" about reliability.


RE: How?
By Russell on 8/24/2009 1:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
You play games with your women? Man, if I had a bunch of women the last thing I would spend my time doing is playing XBox.


RE: How?
By jonmcc33 on 8/24/2009 7:29:00 PM , Rating: 2
So you aren't around any women or something?


RE: How?
By aapocketz on 8/24/2009 1:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
besides with my women


what's your attach rate?


RE: How?
By chrnochime on 8/24/2009 4:13:01 PM , Rating: 2
Did anyone ask about your games with women? Nooo....So why bring it up? How is that relevant here anyway??


RE: How?
By Heinrich on 8/24/09, Rating: 0
RE: How?
By omnicronx on 8/24/2009 11:56:39 AM , Rating: 3
Microsoft is not correct, unless you happen to go into a coma for the 3 weeks your 360 is out of commission, it is a hassle.

Have they limited the damage? yes. Does a 3 year warranty fix the fact that MS released a product with the worst design flaw in history of consoles? Helllllllll no!

I think the way MS has handled the problem is nothing short of amazing, but please don't make it out as though everything is fine and dandy.

Lucky for MS, console users seem to have short term memory.


RE: How?
By Aloonatic on 8/24/2009 10:30:26 AM , Rating: 4
Online gaming has a lot to do with it I think. MS did a really good job with their Live service and since all your friends have taken the plunge on gone the xBox route, if you want to play with them online you are going to have to put up with being away from your 360 for a few weeks if anything goes wrong.

You can try to escape, but unless all of your friends and colleagues 360s fail at once, you just have to take one for the team while you wait for yours to come back from surgery.

Then just tell yourself that it's OK, rationalise it and over react to anyone saying that your a fool to put up with this treatment (basically what you see on any message board when RRoD is mentioned) as most people are too proud to admit that they're being made to look silly and that they've paying for the privilege.


RE: How?
By Xavier434 on 8/24/2009 10:46:14 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I would say that this argument covers most of the details. The bottom line is that until a competitor releases a service that is equal or better than XBL MS will remain king when it comes to online console gaming and entertainment services.

On top of that, people would also need to transition to that competitor which could be a pretty tough sell since a lot of people remain loyal to these kinds of online services because both their real life and internet friends are there. Competitors would be in a better position if they found ways to convince groups to transition to their products rather than individuals, but I have no idea how they would successfully do that.


RE: How?
By encryptkeeper on 8/24/2009 10:40:05 AM , Rating: 4
If I were any of the business managers for Microsoft, I'd be banging my head against a wall. Imagine how ridiculously popular the 360 would be if they didn't break so much? By now, profitability would be through the roof, instead of going out the window.


RE: How?
By rburnham on 8/24/2009 10:40:27 AM , Rating: 2
If it were not for the 100s of dollars my roomie spent on Xbox 360 Rock Band content, he'd get a PS3. The software inside the 360 is good, but man oh man, that hardware is awful.


RE: How?
By shaw on 8/24/2009 10:52:56 AM , Rating: 3
The origional Playstation has a pretty horrid failure rate too. Remember having to turn your Playtation upside down to play games?


RE: How?
By Denigrate on 8/24/2009 10:57:47 AM , Rating: 2
No, my original Playstation still functions properly, and I've never had a problem with it.


RE: How?
By ExarKun333 on 8/24/2009 11:32:09 AM , Rating: 3
Yes, because anecdotal evidence is 100% accurate. I have had my 360 since early 2007, so does that mean all 360s are bulletproof?


RE: How?
By omnicronx on 8/24/2009 12:05:20 PM , Rating: 3
Ya well my buddy has a red box PS2 that still works without a problem. Of course pretty much everyone else's around the world failed with the first year, two if you were lucky, but I don't see how that matters.. </sarcasm>

My 360 also lasted me longer than my PS3 (my launch 360 just broke, my PS3 died after 2 months), I guess that means the PS3 failure rate is higher..

Electronics lasting a long time = build quality + how you treated it + environment + LUCK! Anything can last a long time in the right conditions, and build quality is rarely the only variable.


RE: How?
By Hiawa23 on 8/24/2009 11:57:42 AM , Rating: 5
I don't understand how a product, that has such a high failure rate, seems to continue to succeed despite having so many issues. Kinda reminds me of certain Apple products. Crazy I tell ya

It's pretty simple, & I own all three this gen consoles, but the 360 is easily my favorite this gen. I own over 60 games for it, only bought the PS3 for it's exclusives. I have 2 360s, one launch model that was repaired in June 08, returned to me & no probs since & a 3/2008 HDMI model that has had no issues.

It's simple for me, I prefer LIVE to PSN by a long shot, & Home is a joke. I prefer the controller, & yes, we all agree, MS should have been buried allowing this whole RROD fiasco, but honestly, my 360s have given me less problems than both my PS2 & PS1, both, I had to replace, so along with the fantastic software, LIVE functionality, controller preference, the 360 will probably go down as my favorite console ever, & I have owned every console since the Atari days & never owned this many games for any console. I love it.

I am impressed with what Sony did with the PS3 techwise, but I don't buy consoles to watch movies, & so far, mostly all the multiplatform games have been better based on my preferences on the 360, which is why I only buy the PS3 exclusives for that console.


RE: How?
By ice456789 on 8/24/2009 12:44:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's pretty simple, & I own all three this gen consoles, but the 360 is easily my favorite this gen. I own over 60 games for it, only bought the PS3 for it's exclusives. I have 2 360s, one launch model that was repaired in June 08, returned to me & no probs since & a 3/2008 HDMI model that has had no issues.
Do you want a roommate? I'll split the bills with ya...


RE: How?
By Hiawa23 on 8/24/2009 1:07:20 PM , Rating: 2
Do you want a roommate? I'll split the bills with ya...

no, already trying to get rid of baby moma. Thanks, but no thanks....


RE: How?
By gstrickler on 8/24/2009 6:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
no, already trying to get rid of baby moma.
Should have considered that 9+ months ago. ;)


RE: How?
By christojojo on 8/24/2009 1:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do you want a roommate? I'll split the bills with ya...


He looks a lot like Angelina Jolie after you put on a blind fold and ear plugs and down sixty to seventy beers too. ;)


RE: How?
By BansheeX on 8/25/2009 9:42:14 AM , Rating: 2
Live doesn't have a browser, costs $300 in fees over 6 years, has way more ads and bloat compared to free PSN, and is disproportionately infested with foul-mouthed kids who couldn't afford a PS3. Are we done playing defense with this mantra? The more Live sucks, the more mythological its supposed advantages become.


RE: How?
By ClownPuncher on 8/24/2009 12:22:37 PM , Rating: 1
I have a launch 360, works fine, no RROD. My girlfriend has a 2007 elite, works fine, no RROD. I even have an original Xbox, works fine, never had a problem.

Purely anecdotal, but out of the 15 or so friends I play with on Live regularly, only 2 have had any problems


RE: How?
By sebmel on 8/24/2009 3:06:51 PM , Rating: 5
An over 50% failure rate reminds you of other products?

This has cost Microsoft billions. I doubt this generation of the console will ever turn a profit over it's lifetime. (Before any bright spark replies that this quarter or than the Microsoft Entertainment Division turned a profit you need to add all profits to all losses to see where they stand on this product). There aren't many companies in existence that could survive the losses of the Xbox 360.

In late 2005 Microsoft announced it had lost $4 billion on the Xbox over the preceding 4 years.
http://www.forbes.com/2005/09/12/microsoft-managem...

Financial year 2005/2006 Microsoft lost $1.2 billion on the Xbox
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154809.html

Financial year 2006/2007 they announced losses of $1.9 billion.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/xbox-divisio...

loss of $171 million on revenue of $1.59 billion in Q4 2008
loss of $130 million on revenue of $1.19 billion in Q4 2009
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154809.html

I didn't find all the information necessary but you get the idea.
What it means to customers is that the prices haven't come down as much as they did for consoles of earlier generations.


RE: How?
By gstrickler on 8/24/2009 6:53:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't understand how a product, that has such a high failure rate, seems to continue to succeed despite having so many issues.
Because it's not from Apple, Sony, or Creative, it's from the sacred, almight MS.
quote:
Kinda reminds me of certain Apple products.
Apple has only had one product anywhere near that failure rate, the original Apple ///, which was a commercial failure. Apple recalled and replaced every one of those.


RE: How?
By inperfectdarkness on 8/24/2009 9:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
When you take these factors into account...it's very understandable why Nintendo has taken 1st place in console sales; leaving Microsoft to vainly cling to the vague title of "most played console."

It actually mirrors the rise of Toyota & Honda as top brands in automobiles. American "fanbois" kept decrying the "cheap, less capable" offerings from Japan; while Toyota & Honda turned a deaf ear and continued to press ahead. Incompetance, resting on their own laurels, and ethnocentrism ultimately doomed American car manufacturers to runner-up status in quality, value, and overall sales.

A little more time, a couple more fiasco's like this--and we'll see a repeat. The only thing floating Microsoft's console gaming division is the overabundance of profits it claims from other markets.

10 years ago I said that this was a bad idea & that Microsoft should stick to making games & software--and leave the hardware to others; precisely how they got their start in business, ironically.

2 years ago, I was inundated with comments from all across the spectrum (eg. banshee-x) who swore up and down that Nintedo should give up the ghost & just leave Sony & Microsoft to duke it out. That Nintendo was "hurting" console gaming "driving it back to the dark ages" etc, etc, etc.

Currently, I sit here mildly amused. Sony got too overconfidant in the loyalty and pocketbook-status of its fanbase. Microsoft continued to shovel money (1 dump-truck at a time) into its muscling-in attack on territory it really had no business in--in the first place. Nintendo just quietly kept plugging away.

Often immitated, never duplicated--Nintendo can't be matched. Some may consider them "late to the party" in eveything from color portible-gaming systems to online support. I see a company that ponders each step before making one, and rarely ever missteps. And their product testing is 2nd to none.

G4TV had a lovely segment where they pitted the xbox1, ps2, and GCN against each other in a "destruction derby". Guess which console was actually still working afterwords?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIDPdxHQ6q4


RE: How?
By sebmel on 8/24/2009 9:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand how a product, that has such a high failure rate, seems to continue to succeed despite having so many issues. Kinda reminds me of certain Apple fanbois. Crazy I tell ya

Fixed it for ya! ;-)


The inevitable chain reaction
By tviceman on 8/24/2009 10:05:49 AM , Rating: 3
Microsoft rushed faulty hardware without extensive testing to get a jump start on Sony and basically proved that majority of consumers will still turn a blind eye to bad products.

Be excited for the next generation of consoles when both companies release even bigger POS than the 360.




RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By Spivonious on 8/24/2009 10:13:31 AM , Rating: 2
On the contrary, this proves that the product is so good that it can overcome huge quality issues.


RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By KingstonU on 8/24/2009 10:33:21 AM , Rating: 3
Microsoft cares more about number of game attachment per console since that is where the majority of the profits are. I think Nintendo is the only one of the 3 that makes a profit on each it's consoles, which is an impressive feat, however MS has the greatest attachment rate. Last I read, it was on average 6 games/console.


RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By StevoLincolnite on 8/24/2009 10:40:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft cares more about number of game attachment per console since that is where the majority of the profits are.


Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are company's that want your money, a 1 Billion dollar repair/replacement bill is NOT something any company wants on there balance sheets, I can assure you a 1 Billion dollar (Or more) bill is probably as important as the attachment rates.


RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By JediJeb on 8/24/2009 2:24:30 PM , Rating: 2
But if they can absorb the cost of fixing or replacing 54% of the units then that means if they all worked they could sell them for 25% less and make the same amount of profit. That would really be good for the consumers.


RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By sebmel on 8/24/2009 3:17:27 PM , Rating: 3
They aren't making any profit. They are making some of the largest losses in the history of capitalism relative to a single product. The Microsoft Entertainments Division has never made a profit sufficient to cover it's losses over the years.

Windows and Office are supporting these products. On this level of performance any other company would be out of business.


RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By just4U on 8/25/2009 9:19:46 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with you.. They want in on this industry so their willing to take the losses initially. I bet that the next gen console they bring out will finally turn them a profit. 3 times a charm (as they say). Hopefully they have learned their lesson with the 360 to and failure rates go way down!


By messyunkempt on 8/24/2009 10:56:15 AM , Rating: 2
The high game attachment ratio is probably another reason aside from the xbox live service why people continue to put up with the high failure rate. After all, if its a choice between the reletively minor inconvinience of waiting a couple of weeks for your console to be fixed, and purchasing a new console and replacing all of the games you've paid 30-40 pounds (50$?) each for, then I would imagine most would take the 'stick with the crossbox route'. I did.


RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By frumply on 8/24/2009 11:18:51 AM , Rating: 1
Or, that they're stuck with an investment which they don't dump because it does the job reasonably well, most of the time. Sure, it breaks on rare occasions, but most people deal with enough BS in their life that there's already a built-up tolerance for such a thing. Accumulated achievements, growing game libraries, friends to play games with online probably also do quite a bit to keep those that stick with one console from moving on to another.


RE: The inevitable chain reaction
By tviceman on 8/24/2009 12:49:24 PM , Rating: 3
Breaking more than 50% of the time is the new "rare occasion"?


Jasper?
By Mitch101 on 8/24/2009 11:08:55 AM , Rating: 2
Does this still apply to the Jasper based units?

I know only the manufacturer can determine the true failure rate and we know that the first several versions of the 360 had a very high failure rate but these numbers seem to be over every revision of the console.

From my understanding a Jasper based unit included AMD/ATI engineers to help the die shrink and also help solve the high RROD issues. What I want to know is what is the failure rate of Jasper based 360's not an across the board failure rate?

For the record my friend went with a PS3 over the 360 this week because of the BLU-RAY unit and unless I can get some possible failure rate numbers to the Jasper based 360 I too might go the PS3 route. I am highly interesting in Natal and Netflix on the 360 side but Im being swayed by the large failure rate numbers to go Sony.




RE: Jasper?
By Narbo on 8/24/2009 12:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
The 65nm GPU/GPU units (Jasper) should have vastly reduced failure rates.

I am currently using a Falcon (65nm GPU, 90nm CPU) unit which so far has been solid, most of my friends have Falcon units as well which have thus far been RROD free.

To contrast, every single person (10+) I know including myself that has owned a pure 90nm (Xenon/Zephyr) x360 has had it fail.

I have yet to hear of a Jasper unit failing although I am sure it's possible.

In short empirical evidence suggests that your odds of RROD are massively reduced with a Jasper unit.


RE: Jasper?
By Mitch101 on 8/24/2009 12:49:51 PM , Rating: 2
My Google searches on Jasper Failures seems to just return articles on the Jasper 360. Nothing about Jasper being a problem console and having any issues.

This article from gameinformer seems a bit late to the game to something that was already known but it being reporting like its still current with the latest revision of the console. I have a problem with this type of reporting when they leave out the console revisions because its incomplete reporting and a generalization.

I also dont trust game review sites since the favorable review kick backs occurred. I'll stick with something like Gamefly's rating system or friends to tell me which games are good.


RE: Jasper?
By NARC4457 on 8/24/2009 6:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
FWIW, I have a Falcon that RRoD'd on me this week.


RE: Jasper?
By Belard on 8/24/2009 6:27:57 PM , Rating: 2
Well..

Jasper came out about the first of 2009. At that time, about 24million 360s were sold/replaced. Before Jasper, it was estimated that 33% of 360s failed. So with a bit of math, Jasper is about about 24% of the 360 market share.

So hitting 50%+ failure rate with 360s, including drives and other issues is a possibility.

I kind of wonder if the actual number of 360 owners is actually lower. It was not unheard of an Amiga owner having 2-3 computers. How many of US have 2~4 computers in their house hold or even 1 person?

Check the history of reduced size chip changes to the 360, such as jasper. And you'll see articles and posts about how to spot them and owners of 360s would dump their older versions at GameStop/whatever and spend $300~400 for a whole new unit to reduce the heat issues and less chance of RROD. For most people who DON'T own a 360, they wouldn't know what RROD means... until later.

Some Xbox360 owners have gone through 2~5 units over these past few years.

Meanwhile, most owners of the original PS3 or Wii are still using their hardware with NO need to worry about buying an "updated" cooler model.

The 360 was shipped with defects... but that was a tactic to get market share which was more important to Microsoft than reliability. Most likely, they were not expecting such high failures. Maybe 5% or so.... not 10, 20 or 30%+!

54% would be really really bad.


RE: Jasper?
By hduser on 8/24/2009 1:06:07 PM , Rating: 2
My Elite died just after 18 months of moderate usage. It didn't RROD, no video coming out only audio. I wasn't sure if MS would've covered it in their extended warranty. Luckily, I did buy the extended warranty at the time of purchase and they refunded my original purchase price and I turned around and got Jasper arcade unit for $170. It's a definite improvement in heat and noise, although I miss the the black exterior(nothing I can't fix with a spray can).

My launch PS3 hasn't seen as much game usage but it's still running strong. I might look at getting the slim PS3 just for it's multimedia capability for another room.

I'm still wondering how did they account for the 54% failure rate? Does it take into account multiple failures for individual users?


As I said in the blog post
By ajfink on 8/24/2009 10:00:44 AM , Rating: 1
Despite the failure rate, I would still recommend (to those interested in gaming) the Xbox 360 over the PS3 (I had a PS3 - and sold it) due to its better games, controller, and higher online population. It even does some nifty media center things. I played the occasional game on my PS3, watched a few Blu-Ray movies, and mostly folded on it the rest of the time. I needed some money, and when it came down to it, it was much easier for me to part with the PS3 than my Xbox 360. I do wish Xbox Live was free, or cheaper, though. PSN got that part right.

When my Xbox 360 failed it was an inconvenience, not a tragedy.

That being said, Microsoft really screwed the pooch on the Xbox 360 in terms of hardware testing, design, etc. to even be in the position they are to be forced to spend $1b to repair consoles. But, really, it's a big problem for them and only a minor issue for Xbox 360 owners.




RE: As I said in the blog post
By bighairycamel on 8/24/2009 11:48:06 AM , Rating: 3
I keep hearing this "better games" argument, but I've never seen an explanation for it. I have both consoles as well, but the 360 has never stood out to me as having better games. Since nearly all non-Sony/MS owned development studios are going multi-platform, that leaves very few exclusives nowadays.

360 has good exclusives like Gears of War, Halo (although HIGHLY overrated IMO), and Fable among others.

On the other hand, PS3 has Killzone, God of War, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and possibly an exclusive Final Fantasy (not sure bout that, haven't kept up), etc. etc.

Both systems have exclusives worth playing even though the major hits are predominately multi-platform.


RE: As I said in the blog post
By Hiawa23 on 8/24/2009 1:02:54 PM , Rating: 2
I keep hearing this "better games" argument, but I've never seen an explanation for it. I have both consoles as well, but the 360 has never stood out to me as having better games. Since nearly all non-Sony/MS owned development studios are going multi-platform, that leaves very few exclusives nowadays.

I base my view on consoles not only on the exclusives but on all the games I might buy for that platform, which is why I only own 8 PS3 games & 60+ 360 games.

Since most multiplatform games are built for the 360 & ported to the PS3, to me, the games perform better on the 360 by default, cause I prefer the controller plus if the game is online, it's no contest, the 360wins out by a huge margin.

I feel for those who have gone through console 2 3 4 5 6+, but like I said before my launch console was repaired June 08 & back to me in a week, has been no probs since, & I have had no probs at all from my cooler newer HDMI model, so I think alot of us just haven't had the problems that others have experienced, & MS was genius enabling game installs cause the console runs super cool & quiet which I am sure is another reason why there has been less console failures as my 360 with game installs runs quieter, cooler than my PS3.

I am not giving MS a pass, but all I can ask from any company is first do you stand behind your product? MS has done that for me, & second it's without question, the 360 has been my gaming powerhouse this gen, so although I think MS should have done right in the beginning when designing the console & not allowing this to happen, I can't help but be happy cause of the enormous amount of hours that I continue to put into LIVE, & the console, has more than made up for it as far as my experience with the console goes. I love what Sony did with the PS3 but I think if I had to rethink my purchase of that, I would not have bought that cause the 360 pretty much is all I need. I like the PS3 exclusives but not sure that the small amount of games plus the little I play the console was worth $500 I spent for it, so MS ought to be thanking the Console GODS, cause with all the failures, had Sony not been so arrogant with the pricing of the PS3 they should have lapped MS by now.


RE: As I said in the blog post
By someguy123 on 8/24/2009 2:50:38 PM , Rating: 1
there hasn't been any noticeable differences in multiplat quality since the first batch of launch games. the controller has nothing to do with game quality, and PSN, although still not at live's level, became competitive a year ago. i own both and the only thing keeping me paying for live is more of my friends have a 360, and netflix.

so either you've completely ignored your ps3 and bought it for god knows what reason, or you don't really own a ps3, which seems much, much more likely.


RE: As I said in the blog post
By Hiawa23 on 8/24/2009 3:19:37 PM , Rating: 2
so either you've completely ignored your ps3 and bought it for god knows what reason, or you don't really own a ps3, which seems much, much more likely.

Come on, I told why I bought it which was for the exclusives & the ones I own are:
Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted,
Killzone 2, MGS4, can't think of the rest at this point, but I own one, so not sure why you would go there, I don't really own one route.

My username is hiawa23 , proof, look me up, LOL, you would even go there just cause I may see the console differently than you, & have different tastes, but this seems normal for some of the internet Monday morning QBs, when someone has a different opinion about whatever topic.

hiawa23 is my X360 & PS3 username.


RE: As I said in the blog post
By Mitch101 on 8/24/2009 2:53:08 PM , Rating: 2
When I sort by the best rated games the PS3 titles are mostly cross platform games not the exclusives titles.

When you sort by best rated games on a 360 there are much exclusive title and fewer cross platform games at the top.

Cross platform will be almost identical on both consoles.

True that both have many cross platform titles that it wouldnt matter which console you purchased if that is your choice in gameplay.

Given the current number of games available you cant go wrong with either but I certainly believe in the genre of games I prefer that the 360 has more titles I would be interested in playing.


blog or article?
By ApfDaMan on 8/24/2009 9:57:30 AM , Rating: 3
Seems from the language used in the 4th paragraph and from language / context of other articlesm i have seen that this website is becoming more of a blogspot for the writers than a news website.




RE: blog or article?
By Iaiken on 8/24/2009 11:16:08 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Jason Mick (Blog) - August 24, 2009 9:24 AM


Reading and comprehension fail.


RE: blog or article?
By totallycool on 8/24/2009 12:58:11 PM , Rating: 3
Or maybe he is confused because, every article filed under 'Headlines' or 'Blog' reads.

quote:
Jason Mick (Blog)


Oh wait, its Jason Mick we are talking about, never mind.


Lack of denial does not mean confirmation
By Smilin on 8/24/2009 11:40:13 AM , Rating: 2
No, they didn't deny the 54% failure rate but they did not confirm it either. In fact they didn't even address the 54% failure rate at all so how is that any sort of confirmation?

Microsoft also did not deny that every XBox is shipped with a (formerly) live cat in the box. Does that now confirm that they are cruel to animals?

This story is a bunch of overblown junk and so was the last one. Combine half failed xboxes plus half of those again and you end up with nearly 3/4 of all xboxes made need replaced. How then is their game division profitable?

Look the RROD thing was very widespread but this 54% thing is innacurate and inflated due to unscientific polling. Take the journalistic high road guys.




RE: Lack of denial does not mean confirmation
By PARANOID365 on 8/24/2009 4:28:58 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
No, they didn't deny the 54% failure rate but they did not confirm it either. In fact they didn't even address the 54% failure rate at all so how is that any sort of confirmation? Microsoft also did not deny that every XBox is shipped with a (formerly) live cat in the box. Does that now confirm that they are cruel to animals? This story is a bunch of overblown junk and so was the last one. Combine half failed xboxes plus half of those again and you end up with nearly 3/4 of all xboxes made need replaced. How then is their game division profitable? Look the RROD thing was very widespread but this 54% thing is innacurate and inflated due to unscientific polling. Take the journalistic high road guys.


I'm with you Smilin on this, because I am absolutely disgusted with the bullshit, "Jason Mick", is allowed to publish on this site.

The whole confirm nor deny statement on the 54% failure rate is completely fabricated, because the Microsoft statement did not even state any of that, all they commented on was their great warranty policy.

DT you can go ahead and ban me if you want, (for telling the truth), but it is 1000% clear now that Jason Mick is nothing more than a wannabe journalist, who publishes nothing but fucking lies and bullshit, in a failed effort to get an audience.

His piss poor articles are full of 1/2 truths and innuendos, and are full of so much sensationalism, I wanna fucking puke.

Personally if I ran any of the companies that Jason Mick used in any of his articles, I would sue his pathetic ass for the lies he creates, and then I would sue DT for enabling this fucking goof.

Up until now I have always taken any article Jason Mick wrote, with a grain of salt, but this is getting completely out of hand. JASON MICK IS NOTHING MORE THAN A FUCKING LIAR PLAIN AND SIMPLE !!


RE: Lack of denial does not mean confirmation
By gstrickler on 8/24/2009 10:30:29 PM , Rating: 2
Jason Mick, the "Weekly World News" of Technology reporting.


By PARANOID365 on 8/25/2009 3:24:25 AM , Rating: 2
AMEN BROTHER !!


this isnt windows
By tastyratz on 8/24/2009 10:08:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
We are constantly improving the design, manufacture and performance of the console through extensive testing of potential sources of any problems


You cant release hardware "hotfixes"




RE: this isnt windows
By StevoLincolnite on 8/24/2009 10:37:38 AM , Rating: 2
Yes you can, but only to consoles that are being repaired, like a larger Heat sink, or the addition of epoxy.


RE: this isnt windows
By gstrickler on 8/24/2009 6:46:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
through extensive testing of potential sources of any problems
"extensive testing" should have a footnote indicating that every user is a volunteer member of MS "extensive testing" group.


RROD
By Bubble boy on 8/24/2009 2:27:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm amazed at the lack of anger, toward MS, for the ridiculous fail rate. I own both consoles. In fact, I own two 360s thanks to the subpar quality of a refurb I received, from MS, courtesy of a RROD. I love Xbox live, Netflix streaming, and many of the exclusive games MS has in it's catalog. But these features and the 3 year warranty do not excuse them for KNOWINGLY peddling defective hardware. That said, I enjoy both consoles fairly equally. The PS3 is without question the better piece of hardware. For an extra $100, I enjoy excellent games and BD movies (via Netflix) on a trouble free (imagine that)console. And I don't have to crank up the TV volume to drown out a noisy optical drive. I suspect that I will still be enjoying my PS3 five years from now. If anyone wants to start a pool and handicap how many 360s will take up residence next to my PS3 over the same time frame, I'll be more than happy to provide unbiased results. 360 fanboys: Stop bashing the PS3. It cost me an extra $100, but included wifi and BD out of the box. I didn't need batteries or a re-chargable battery peripheral for the controllers. I didn't need a branded headset (my bluetooth headset works very well, thanks.) most importantly, I didn't need to buy a 3rd party warranty for a piece of hardware that I expect to fail. Like you, I enjoy my 360, but I enjoy it on borrowed time.




RE: RROD
By Hiawa23 on 8/24/2009 3:33:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'm amazed at the lack of anger, toward MS, for the ridiculous fail rate. I own both consoles.

I think alot of gamers are agry, I haven't had issues other than my launch model being repaired, & I have had many electronics that I had to send in for some sort of repair, not sure whatelse you expect gamers who maybe prefer the console to the other two to do. MS got a slap from me when mine went down then life moved on.


RE: RROD
By Totally on 8/25/2009 10:20:36 PM , Rating: 2
#1. I expect it to not die on me, from NES to PSX those things were bulletproof. They don't make them like they used to, trip on the cord bring you console crashing down onto the floor 4ft below, Oh well, just pick up the console. Put the game back in, if it happened to fly out. Then hit the reset button and asses how much progress was lost(sheer horror in some cases with NES/GENESIS).


What choice do us Gamers really have?
By Finnkc on 8/24/2009 10:31:43 AM , Rating: 2
There is only two options to purchase. Plus if all your buddies are on LIVE then why would you get a PS3? Same applies in reverse as well, why buy the other product?

It doesn't matter if your console solves World Hunger, and can turn into a spaceship ... if Tom's friends play on the other system ... then Tom is more likely to not buy your console.

Maybe that is too simple ... but that is the way I see things.




By Legolias24 on 8/24/2009 10:44:46 AM , Rating: 2
Man, if one of the consoles turned into a space ship I would so buy that despite what the rest of my friends by! Zipping around in outer space would be so cool! :P (j/k)

In all seriousness, you make a very good point.


It could be argued...
By StevoLincolnite on 8/24/2009 10:34:59 AM , Rating: 2
... that all the consoles have a 100% failure rate, as there is no particular time frame on when the consoles are supposed to fail, and everything mechanical and electrical will break down eventually if it's man made.

Anyway, I find those numbers as reliable as when I am drunk, and trying to go pee in the toilet bowl with the light turned off.

It's not taking into account all the possible variables with the hardware revisions, and how much of each hardware revision has actually been sold, for instance it could be 100% Xenon consoles fail, 1% Jasper's fail, and 20% Falcon's fail, etc'. - And don't get me started on the usage of percentages instead of solid numbers. -.-




RE: It could be argued...
By BansheeX on 8/25/2009 9:32:34 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, the term is generally referring to failure within the product's expected life cycle, not within the geologic time of the universe. Way to go all philosophical and miss the point. Failure while in popular use = bad. Failure in hundreds of years when the materials degrade as it's sitting in the waste dump = okay.


Somewhat unrelated, but timely question
By NARC4457 on 8/24/2009 11:33:03 AM , Rating: 2
So my 360 just red ringed on me and I am shipping it out today. If it takes around a month, are people getting credit for the Gold subscription for that time when it is unavailable?

Screwing me over for the HD drive, RRoD, and Gold subscription while the box is in for repairs.... sigh.




By thetolietduck365 on 8/25/2009 4:34:22 PM , Rating: 2
You kinda do get quasi-credit considering your box will come back (repaired or replaced) with a 1-month gold card included. At least mine and my friends have.


By nismotigerwvu on 8/24/2009 12:18:47 PM , Rating: 2
While this certainly is a HORRIBLE thing for MS and by association 360 owners, this blunder will be the case study for corner cutting as well as unit exchanges. MS made the mistakes here; cheap solder, inadequate cooling..ect. What I'd like to see once this generation is over is how the redesigns fared in terms of failure rate.

The big win for us here is that I highly doubt anyone will make this mistake again. If they do you better believe they will handle the exchanges as well as, if not even better than MS has.




By sebmel on 8/24/2009 8:10:14 PM , Rating: 2
Expecting improvement is an intelligent position to take... but, have you seen the numbers?

2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 - they lose $4billion... four thousand million dollars!

Alarm bells are ringing, right? You fire the boss, don't you?

2006 - they lose $1.2 billion

You fire the new boss?

2007 - they lose even more $1.9 billion!

You hire a shrink before firing those responsible and hiring a new boss... surely?

2008 - they lose hundreds of millions of dollars.

You can't be feeling very competent, can you?

2009 - they lose hundreds of millions of dollars, again!

What do you do, cry?

Now, before you think you understand... you don't... because, you see, they're also losing billions via Hotmail and MSN, too! Go back to that $4 billion figure and add in MSN online service, the wireless and small-business software: collectively they racked up $7 billion in losses in four years.

So we are talking well over $10 billion dollars of losses supported by Windows and Office profits. I believe I am right in thinking that Microsoft has actually not made a profit out of anything other than Windows and Office.

So, continuing the optimistic slant of the parent post, the big win for us customers here is that in the history of capitalism there has never been a more subsidised product than the Xbox. If it weren't for Windows and Office it wouldn't exist. Now doesn't that help you forget the hardware failures?

Incidentally, Steve Ballmer is fond of saying that he loves Microsoft. Looking at those numbers, who wouldn't agree he's a luck guy?


Lesser of evils
By 3minence on 8/24/2009 10:14:38 AM , Rating: 2
With all the bad press about the xbox360 or PS3, I wonder if a lot of the Wii's success isn't because of distrust of MS's and Sony's products? The RROD, even with the extended warranty, is an unforgivable situation.

The Wii has very few games that interest me so I don't have one, and I refuse to buy an xbox or PlayStation out of disgust for the whole situation.




next generation consoles
By snbdr on 8/24/2009 11:46:10 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, So when does "next generation consoles" become this generation of consoles?




...that it ...er..what?
By polaris2k4 on 8/24/2009 12:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft argues, though, that it warranty makes failures only a minor inconvenience


...But your lack of proofreading makes reading your articles a major inconvenience..........




At the office
By Totally on 8/25/2009 2:45:29 AM , Rating: 2
Suit 1: There was an article posted today claiming the 360 has a 54% failure rate
Suit 2: So?
Suit 1: We need to say something!
Suit 2: No, we don't!
Suit 1: Why?!
Suit 2: Because the actual failure rate is higher than that!




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54 % is bad but.....
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its still better than the 100% failure rate of North American NES systems. But atleast with enough lung capacity,alchohol,banging, and patients you could usually get a game going eventually.

So I dont know which is worse




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