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Dell, HP, and Apple each claim they have the "greenest" PCs and notebooks. The fight is considered critical as there's growing evidence that consumers are looking for the most environmentally friendly option.  (Source: Vitalize Initiatives)
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the greenest of them all?

Top manufacturers of personal computers in the U.S. -- Hewlett-Packard Co, Dell Inc, and fourth-place Apple Inc. -- are each claiming to have the "greenest" PCs on the market.  The companies are crafting entire business plans around selling their "greenness" to consumers.

John Spooner, an analyst with Technology Business Research describes, "It's really a green arms race, in which they're trying to one up each other.  The good news is they're all working in this direction and that's going to benefit themselves, their customers and the environment."

Thus far the companies have primarily focused on different areas.  Dell has pushed ahead with recycling efforts, while Apple has removed toxic compounds like PBRs from its circuit boards and building materials.  And HP, which recently seized the top sales spot in the U.S. from Dell, is focusing on making greener packaging.

Dell claims to be the "greenest technology company on Earth", Apple say it has the "greenest family of notebooks", and HP says it's long been a supporter of environmentalism.  According to market research firms, the companies are indeed making great improvements.  Greenpeace recently noted that all manufacturers are getting greener, with Apple stealing the top spot.  The distinction marked a turn-around for the Cupertino company, as it had long drawn Greenpeace's ire.  A separate TBR study put Dell in the top spot.

The IT industry contributes 2 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions -- by helping cut that figure, PC makers feel they are distinguishing themselves.  A recent Forrester Research study showed 70 percent of businesses were going green as an effort to stand out from the competition.  States Forrester's Sally Cohen, "Companies are realizing that consumers do use these environmental considerations as tiebreakers. It does help differentiate their products."

Tod Arbogast, Dell's director of sustainable business, minimizes the competition, though, saying that there's even some collaborative efforts between the rivals.  He says, "I don't think we've reached the tipping point yet, I think we'll continue as an industry to innovate, challenge one another to go further, faster on these efforts."

Bonnie Nixon, HP's director of sustainability concurs.  She also is quick to add in a bit of boasting, though, stating, "(HP's) commitment has really been there, certainly through the 90's and the fact that society is really focusing on green right now is great. We're in an industry that can truly demonstrate (environmental commitment)."



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Green computers
By nafhan on 6/15/2009 11:47:40 AM , Rating: 4
Two things you can do with ANY computer if you really want to be "green":

1. Wait as long as possible before getting a new computer
2. Don't throw it out if it runs. You can probably find someone who will use it.

Of course, neither of these involve purchasing anything from Dell, Apple, etc., and therefore probably won't be widely advertised.




RE: Green computers
By Jeffk464 on 6/15/2009 12:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure that the lower power use of laptops makes up for the problem of toxic batteries. I'm thinking something like the new HP desktops which use laptop components built into the back of a lcd monitor would be greener. I wish someone would build a compact standalone PC built with laptop components.


RE: Green computers
By Taft12 on 6/15/2009 1:02:02 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I wish someone would build a compact standalone PC built with laptop components.


It already exists and I think this is a very cool product:

http://www1.ca.dell.com/ca/en/home/desktops/deskto...

Laptop CPU, memory and HDD. Of course the downside is the Intel integrated laptop GPU.


RE: Green computers
By aliasfox on 6/15/2009 1:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
Well, it's not just HP -

Apple has the iMac (low TDP processors, laptop chipsets and optical drives, paired with desktop HDs - cheaper and larger), as well as the Mac Mini (essentially a MacBook without a display or battery).

Dell has their AIO lines as well as their Dell Hybrid machines, though last I checked, the vast majority used Intel graphics.

Lower power use/quieter machines are always welcome. That said, I'm using 6-7 yr old computers at home that do all of what I need them to do and most of what I want them to do. Not upgrading unless you need to is a very green way to do things.


"Cashing in on the Environmental Cow"
By crystal clear on 6/15/2009 10:57:02 AM , Rating: 5
Yes indeed - you need a lot of greenbacks to buy the Apples, (not worth paying for) under the false assumptions that people will become green with envy to see you with "the greenest line of notebooks"

Greenwashing is the name of the game for many a comapanies, & they are "Cashing in on the Environmental Cow" with the tools Of Greenwashing namely Adverts.

Greenwashing in Popular Culture and Art & companies exploit it.

The "Six Sins of Greenwashing" are -

# Sin of the Hidden Trade-Offs

# Sin of No Proof

# Sin of Vagueness

# Sin of Irrelevance

# Sin of Fibbing

# Sin of Lesser of Two Evils

The question ..... Are You Being Greenwashed ? & How To Spot Greenwash.

Trust in the Greenbacks instead of Greenproducts.




RE: "Cashing in on the Environmental Cow"
By nayy on 6/15/2009 11:46:56 AM , Rating: 1
Unless you have examined they sustainablity agendas you really don't know whats going on do you?

Yes, there will be companies that try to cash on Green without doing anything, but the reality is that there are some companies are becoming more responsable.

I work for a big non-tech company, we never advertice our selves as green, but there is a lot of pressure from the top management for us to reduce our waste, energy consumption, switch to greener energies, etc.

Sure you are not going to lose money on it and you are never going to be totally green, but guess what, a lot of times you can actually save a lot of money by gradually becoming greener.


By crystal clear on 6/15/2009 12:13:23 PM , Rating: 2
For technology companies "GO GREEN" is a way to stand apart from rivals, win over a growing segment of environmentally conscious consumers, and shore up branding worldwide.

GREEN for computer makers means MONEY (sales).


By crystal clear on 6/15/2009 12:36:50 PM , Rating: 2
Example of the "Green" brandings-they will call it

"green-certified display screens" ...(sounds great)


the greenest thing
By Gul Westfale on 6/15/2009 11:02:46 AM , Rating: 3
would be to not buy a new computer.




RE: the greenest thing
By hyvonen on 6/15/2009 11:31:44 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly right. Power savings on a new laptop are nothing compared to power savings on not making a new one.


RE: the greenest thing
By theslug on 6/15/2009 2:16:12 PM , Rating: 2
No, the greenest thing is to not toss out any electronics at all. If it doesn't work, recycle it or just store it away somewhere. If it works and you don't want it, sell or donate it.

There's no reason for electronics to be going into the regular trash.


Sure is toxic!
By MDE on 6/15/2009 11:30:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple has removed toxic compounds like PBR s from its circuit boards and building materials.


PBR is definitely some toxic stuff.




RE: Sure is toxic!
By kake on 6/15/2009 12:36:06 PM , Rating: 5
My question is how did the Pabst get into the boards in the first place, and what is Apple doing with it once it's been removed? Do they have a procedure similar to the US Government has for nuclear material? Or, more likely, do they rebrand it as something all natural, environmentally responsible, and charge 21.95usd a six pack?


Wait a minute...
By ApfDaMan on 6/15/2009 10:40:01 AM , Rating: 1
Apple dont make PCs.




RE: Wait a minute...
By ecbsykes on 6/15/2009 10:53:49 AM , Rating: 1
They don't make personal computers? I was pretty sure they did.


RE: Wait a minute...
By nycromes on 6/15/2009 11:39:19 AM , Rating: 3
Thats funny, because I seem to remember in their ads that one guy is a PC and the other is a Mac.

Clearly they don't think that they do.


RE: Wait a minute...
By omnicronx on 6/15/2009 12:59:27 PM , Rating: 1
I had a basehead friend in highschool that jumped off a bridge because he thought he was a bird, alas it proved to be untrue and he broke over 25 bones in his body.

Moral of the story, just because you think you can fly does not make you a bird.


It's a no-brainer!
By amanojaku on 6/15/2009 10:49:19 AM , Rating: 5
Everyone knows Apple's PC are the "geenest." People fork out a lot of "green" for those things!

Seriously, thought, "green" is a fashion statement. I never heard of ANY company promoting "green" computing or manufacturing more than 10 years ago, and it was just a buzzword five years ago. All of these companies can shoves their claims up their "browns."




No such thing as a green computer
By omnicronx on 6/15/2009 1:05:47 PM , Rating: 3
There is no such thing, whether it be through production, power consumption, shipping etc etc, until they are made from biodegradable materials and decompose when you put them in the trash, THEY ARE NOT GREEN!

The best thing you can do is keep your computer out of the dump for as long as possible. This can be done by not buying a new computer until you have too, giving your old computer to someone that needs one, or recycling. Nothing ANY of the manufacturers can do will have the effect as any of the three ways mentioned. I commend dell for actually have a good recycling program, in the long run this will do more for the environment than any BS manufacturing process that Apple and others can come up with.




By erple2 on 6/17/2009 3:07:19 PM , Rating: 2
You can also be green by recycling. If you could, for example, re-use the case effectively, then I'd say that you're headed in the right direction.

You don't have to be biodegradable to be green. I'd contend that you have to be responsible to recycle the parts that aren't biodegradable.


2%??? Clarification please...
By Schrag4 on 6/15/2009 1:52:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The IT industry contributes 2 percent of the world's greenhouse gas emissions...


I'm assuming this means 2 percent of emissions by humans. Otherwise I highly doubt that number. It's probably more like 0.08 percent if you include emissions by things like eruptions, etc.

That being said, yes, let's cut that 0.08 percent down to 0.04 percent!!! Whoopty-dooo!!! According to some on the left, if it can't solve the problem entirely, it's not worth pursuing (the argument against domestic drilling). Ok, sorry for the tangent...




RE: 2%??? Clarification please...
By Helbore on 6/15/2009 3:36:21 PM , Rating: 2
No, no, no. Humans create all the world's greenhouse gas emissions. Didn't you know this? If the Earth actually produced these gases itself then humans wouldn't be responsible for global warming.

Clearly that can't be true, because my government told me otherwise.


And we thought the 70's were bad
By SuperFly03 on 6/15/2009 12:02:22 PM , Rating: 2
We called the hippies tree huggers and now we have this mess? come on now. They are wasting more energy producing (as some have already mentioned) new ones than they could ever hope to save with their "greenness". Hell, we even have "green" switches/routers.

It's becoming ridiculous. If you are buying a notebook based on it's "greenness" I think you have some deeper issues that need addressing.




By Jeffk464 on 6/15/2009 12:23:19 PM , Rating: 1
True, the biggest impact we can have with purchasing is when we buy a car. Thats by far the largest impact we all have on the environment.


Dell/HP/Apple
By Tsuwamono on 6/15/2009 10:38:26 AM , Rating: 2
The only way either of these companies would be Green is after I vomit on it.




greenest?
By inperfectdarkness on 6/15/2009 11:35:28 PM , Rating: 2
i vote sager.

any dell or hp is going in the recycle bin in <2 years. any apple in <6 months. i'll have my sager 866 for ~4 years--and i'll bet dollars to doughnuts on it.

let the downratings begin.




Packaging
By benage on 6/16/2009 11:13:28 PM , Rating: 2
What i think is BS is the amount of packaging these companies use for the smallest of items. Personally i think HP is the worst. We received 16 SFP's that came in a box that could have fitted a server, absolutely wasteful. I think they seriously need to focus on these sorts of things first, i can't imagine how many trees are cut down for this type of packaging that isn't necessary in the first place.




By Technologian on 6/17/2009 9:05:30 AM , Rating: 2
Recently Samsung's BlueEarth http://cite-technologian.blogspot.com/2009/04/blue... and Sony Ericsson's GreenHeart http://cite-technologian.blogspot.com/2009/06/gree..." were touted as part of the world campaigns towards eco-friendly gadgets and technology innovations... It's really a responsible approach to consider most computers to be environment-friendly...




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