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State Representative Vic Williams said the bill never intended to put Internet trolls in jail, but was merely an amendment to an old statute to include new digital means of communication

A controversial Internet trolling bill passed by Arizona legislature last week has been reportedly stopped, according to Phoenix New Times.

Arizona's House Bill 2549 was recently introduced as an update to the state's telephone harassment law. This new bill would have made it a crime to harass, offend or annoy others on the Internet via electronic devices like computers, tablets, and smartphones.

H.B. 2549 quickly grabbed a lot of negative attention, mainly because the bill was not limited to one-on-one communications; rather, it covered a broad part of the internet, such as comments on websites and cartoons. If the state found any writing or cartoons offensive, those responsible would be thrown in jail. According to Gizmodo, trolling could throw someone in jail for 25 years.

The following is a paragraph from H.B. 2549:

It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use any electronic or digital device and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person. It is also unlawful to otherwise disturb by repeated anonymous electronic or digital communications the peace, quiet or right of privacy of any person at the place where the communications were received.

The Senate approved H.B. 2549 by 30-0 last week, but a number of groups opposed to the bill have since come forward to complain. For instance, Media Coalition, which is a trade association that protects the First Amendment rights of content industries, has been sending letters to the Senate Rules Committee urging Governor Jan Brewer to veto the bill.

"Government may criminalize speech that rises to the level of harassment and many states have laws that do so, but this legislation takes a law meant to address irritating phone calls and applies it to communication on web sites, blogs, listserves and other Internet communication," said Media Coalition's letter. "H.B. 2549 is not limited to a one to one conversation between two specific people. The communication does not need to be repetitive or even unwanted. There is no requirement that the recipient or subject of the speech actually feel offended, annoyed or scared. Nor does the legislation make clear that the communication must be intended to offend or annoy the reader, the subject or even any specific person.

"Speech protected by the First Amendment is often intended to offend, annoy or scare but could be prosecuted under this law."

H.B. 2549 never quite made it to the governor, according to Phoenix New Times. Also, the bill was amended before it passed the Senate and returned to the House, and has been reportedly shot down.

Representative Ted Vogt, one of the bill's sponsors, has reportedly stopped the bill from progressing forward until all concerns are dealth with. State Representative Vic Williams said the bill never intended to put Internet trolls in jail, but was merely an amendment to an old statute to include new digital means of communication. It was mainly introduced to prevent harassment and stalking on the Internet.

State legislators haven't given up on the bill entirely, though. They're just making changes and consulting the attorney general's office to make sure the bill doesn't stir the public and privacy groups once again.

Privacy has become a hot topic lately with new threats coming about, such as the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) hacking into gamers' consoles for information on pedophiles and terrorists. Also, last week, an Indiana high school student was expelled from school for posting a tweet that contained foul language on Twitter. The school, which monitors students' social networking sites, said the student posted it at school while the student argued otherwise.

Sources: Arizona State Legislature, cbldf.org, Phoenix New Times



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Great, another one
By Invane on 4/4/2012 5:50:18 PM , Rating: 5
While I hate poor posting etiquette as much as the next guy, trying to legislate internet politeness is absolutely ridiculous. The end result will be law enforcement/government agencies using this bill when it suits them to threaten someone who probably hasn't done a damn thing wrong.

We have freedom of speech for a reason. You don't like what someone says, try not reading it. If you have so fragile a psyche that you can't handle someone calling you fat, stupid, ugly, or any of a million other meaningless insults online then the problem wasn't the jerk poster...the problem is you are unprepared for life.

Instead of approaching this problem by finding ways to build our children's self confidence, we are trying to insulate them from mean words, mean test scores, and and slightly stressful situation at every opportunity. The result? The same thing that happens when you release a new disease on a native population thus far insulated from that disease. They have no resistance and cannot deal with it.




RE: Great, another one
By Invane on 4/4/2012 5:53:55 PM , Rating: 3
and and slightly

That should be 'and every slightly'. Grrrrr DT.


RE: Great, another one
By amanojaku on 4/4/2012 7:46:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
NEW! RE: Great, another one
By Invane on 4/4/2012 5:53:55 PM , Rating: 0

and and slightly That should be 'and every slightly'. Grrrrr DT.
Damn, the anti-grammar Nazi's on this site are so harsh, they'll rate you down for correcting your own mistakes!!!


RE: Great, another one
By vanionBB on 4/5/2012 12:03:26 PM , Rating: 2
Anti-grammar trolling will soon be a criminal offense in Arizona. Enjoy it while it lasts trolls!, your days are numbered, big brother is coming for you!


RE: Great, another one
By retrospooty on 4/4/12, Rating: 0
RE: Great, another one
By ppardee on 4/4/2012 6:57:09 PM , Rating: 1
Frankly, the birther bill is not a bad thing. If we had it on the books in 2008, the whole birth certificate issue wouldn't have lasted 4 years. He either would have been exposed as a Keynesian ("Is Obama a Keynesian?" funny vid, look it up) or we would be able to push against the whack jobs with facts.

As it is now, Obama WANTS the birthers to continue. It is good for his campaign. That's why they released such an obviously-doctored birth certificate. There is pretty strong evidence that the cert they released was created in Adobe Acrobat. Doesn't mean there isn't a real cert out there, just that Obama doesn't want to burn down his strawman until he gets re-elected.


RE: Great, another one
By Reclaimer77 on 4/4/2012 7:09:24 PM , Rating: 2
National joke? Arizona is our hero. They're constantly trying to jam their thumb in Obama's eye and assert their states rights, I love it.

Plus they were 100% correct in trying to pass their own immigration reform. Not that Washington ever wanted that to happen, because illegal aliens equal more votes for the Democrats (we all know this is true, please).

I just love how Jan Brewer didn't take any crap from Obama. So sick of the arrogant way he thinks he can bowl over anyone who doesn't kiss his ass. You should be proud to live in AZ. Move to Michigan if you want to see a state run by idiots.


RE: Great, another one
By retrospooty on 4/5/2012 8:05:25 AM , Rating: 2
Its easy to take the few tidbits that make national headlines and make an assumption. When you live here you get alot more info, and believe me sir the AZ state legislature is just rediculous, as is Jan Brewer. Its like being governed by 4th graders... Angry little 4th graders at that.


RE: Great, another one
By retrospooty on 4/5/2012 8:18:59 AM , Rating: 2
I meant to add... I do see what you mean by her ballzy attitude. Easy to admire that. She doesnt take no crap and doesnt back down from a fight. That in itself is admirable. The downside is that she really lacks the intelligence to comprehend the dynamics of the decisions she makes. She has no clue on the vast majority of issues. She only really excels at hating Obama and resenting Mexicans, thus she is seen as something of a hero.


RE: Great, another one
By Reclaimer77 on 4/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: Great, another one
By retrospooty on 4/5/2012 5:15:24 PM , Rating: 2
I dont think she is a racist, I just think she fundamentally misunderstands the whole immigration issue, as do most elderly voters in AZ, as does our wonderful Sherrif Joe. to these guys, its perfectly OK to ignore child molesters, and not investicage, or persue them at all but god damnit, we cant have people coming across the border. "I am sworn to uphold the law". So, you choose to ignore the law when it comes to diddling an innocent child, but its somehow 10x more important to spend your time going after teh poor guy washing dishes in the back of my favorite restaurant? Then you spend out tax money on political trips to support your pick for US president? Suck it Joe. Your a joke as much as Brewer is.


RE: Great, another one
By Reclaimer77 on 4/5/2012 7:38:19 PM , Rating: 2
How are they "ignoring" child molesters exactly? You'll have to elaborate.

Anyway I get it, I hear your partisan attack loud and clear. Arizona has like some of the lowest crime rates in the country, but yeah, Sheriff Joe totally sucks and isn't doing his job lol.


RE: Great, another one
By Galcobar on 4/5/2012 9:10:58 PM , Rating: 2
Crime rates are compiled from reported crimes, via police reports. You have to start with an honest reporting system for those rates to be of value.

Ask New York how well tying performance reports to reported crime rates has worked: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/09/us-crime...

Awarding law enforcement offices through political means creates a similar incentive to that documented by the NYPD.

As for Sherrif Arpaio's record on investigating crimes against children, often Latino children, over just a three-year-period:
-Justice Department report http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/15/nation/la-...
-report from the city of El Mirage after Arpaio's contract ended http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070065/Am...

While some of Arpaio's policies are to be lauded, they unfortunately seem to largely derive from and are accompanied by an indifference to the humanity of those with specific ancestries.


RE: Great, another one
By retrospooty on 4/5/2012 9:25:35 PM , Rating: 1
sorry bud, you have no idea what your takkin 'bout here. Yes, it was all over the local news over the past few months how there are well over 400 child molestation cases that went totally uninvestigated while Joe is on his illegal roundups and playing campaign fundraiser for Rick Perry and other republican hopefuls. His own deputies on the team that are supposed to investigate the kiddie diddlers have been crying that they have no support and need more staff, but if it doesnt get Joe headlines, he doesnt give a shit.

Really, I am not partisaned on this, the guy is a total media whore and doesnt give a crap about anyone or anything other than his public image.


RE: Great, another one
By Reclaimer77 on 4/6/2012 12:26:06 PM , Rating: 1
DA's are failing to convict people all across the nation for all kinds of crimes! This is a NATIONAL ISSUE. Sorry but you're just falling victim to another biased media attack. The only reason this became "news" is because Sheriff Joe and Arizona took a stand against Obama, so of course the media must destroy them best they can.

And I find the dismissive nature in which you refer to illegal immigration unfortunate.

quote:
Really, I am not partisaned on this


Of course you are Retro, come on. Very few Sheriffs in the country would make the mark if you applied the same standard to them as you do Joe.

It seems like on any issue, no matter what, you pick up and carry whatever arguments and talking points are coming from the Left. I don't know about you anymore...


RE: Great, another one
By jkt6455 on 4/6/2012 2:36:18 PM , Rating: 1
Can you please remove yourself from the gene pool? Preferably in the most painful and agonizing way possible? Retard

Die painfully okay? Preferably by getting crushed to death in a
garbage compactor, by getting your face cut to ribbons with a
pocketknife, your head cracked open with a baseball bat, your stomach
sliced open and your entrails spilled out, and your eyeballs ripped
out of their sockets. Fucking bitch

I really hope that you get curb-stomped. It'd be hilarious to see you
begging for help, and then someone stomps on the back of your head,
leaving you to die in horrible, agonizing pain. Faggot

Shut the fuck up f aggot, before you get your face bashed in and cut
to ribbons, and your throat slit.


RE: Great, another one
By Reclaimer77 on 4/7/2012 8:13:17 AM , Rating: 2
Please jkt, tell us how you REALLY feel :)


RE: Great, another one
By retrospooty on 4/9/2012 1:56:10 PM , Rating: 2
wholly anger management issues batman! that was a rant and a half.


RE: Great, another one
By retrospooty on 4/6/2012 4:49:23 PM , Rating: 2
"DA's are failing to convict people all across the nation for all kinds of crimes"

We are talking about a Sherrif who's dept didnt even go out to investigate becasue he is too busy campaigning out of state for US presidential candidated that have nothing to so wit his job.... And when in state, he is worrying too much about problem #10 (immigration) and ignoring problems 1-9. Its not at all about DA's failing to convict. Its a HUGE difference.

"is because Sheriff Joe and Arizona took a stand against Obama, so of course the media must destroy them best they can."

In AZ the media is NOT liberal. ITs very conservative. This isnt one of your us vs. them issues, its a politician (Arpaio) not doing his job so he can tend to his politics. Same crap as Obama and Pelosi.

"It seems like on any issue, no matter what, you pick up and carry whatever arguments and talking points are coming from the Left. I don't know about you anymore..."

Whatever... There is one partisaned person in this conversation and it's not the one calling out politicians on their shortcomings. Its the one defending the politicians on the right, because they are on the right. I call a terd a terd, regardless of the side they are on. Obama, Pelosi, Brewer, Arpaio are all useless terds.


RE: Great, another one
By TSS on 4/4/2012 6:37:22 PM , Rating: 2
There is another one (came on specifically to spread the word, after comming across it as a youtube comment):

SOPA/PIPA is BACK!

http://rt.com/usa/news/cispa-bill-sopa-internet-17...

with a vengance. Maybe it's not as likely to pass, but it's good to know that they're still trying.


RE: Great, another one
By tastyratz on 4/5/2012 9:18:35 AM , Rating: 2
THIS!
I submitted a news article the other day to DT, awareness needs to be raised CISPA IS WORSE THAN SOPA PEOPLE


RE: Great, another one
By Reclaimer77 on 4/4/2012 7:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We have freedom of speech for a reason. You don't like what someone says, try not reading it. If you have so fragile a psyche that you can't handle someone calling you fat, stupid, ugly, or any of a million other meaningless insults online then the problem wasn't the jerk poster...the problem is you are unprepared for life.


I totally agree, you fucking cocksucker!

Sorry I just couldn't help myself :) hahaahah oh I kill me.

By the way this is really no different than the "anti-Internet bullying" legislation that a bunch of leftists nanny states have been passing left and right. You know, to save the children and all that. /puke

At least Arizona ultimately did the right thing and this bill died before it saw daylight. If only every bill like it met the same fate.


RE: Great, another one
By JediJeb on 4/4/2012 7:21:58 PM , Rating: 3
When I was a kid my Dad told me the best way to confront a bully was to draw back and punch him in the nose, and you know what, it worked. Bullies only bully someone they know they can easily intimidate. Parents need to spend more time with their children and try to know everything they are involved with, so that if they are being bullied the parent can take action quickly to teach their child how to deal with it and most of all to teach them that what some bully might say about them, especially online, is just words that mean nothing now, and in ten years will mean even less.

Teach kids to stand up and be strong, and to be able to discern between what really matters in life and what doesn't.


RE: Great, another one
By LyCannon on 4/4/2012 11:16:04 PM , Rating: 2
*gasp*

Surely you don't mean that parents need to be real parents? That's almost unamerican of you...


RE: Great, another one
By idiot77 on 4/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: Great, another one
By Invane on 4/5/2012 1:40:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the whole lot of this legislation is crap. You aren't going to stop bullying by passing some law. You're just going to make a bunch of kids criminals and give the government and law enforcement more power...and still have the same problem you started with. Gotta love that.


RE: Great, another one
By Trisped on 4/5/2012 6:14:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We have freedom of speech for a reason. You don't like what someone says, try not reading it. If you have so fragile a psyche that you can't handle someone calling you fat, stupid, ugly, or any of a million other meaningless insults online then the problem wasn't the jerk poster...the problem is you are unprepared for life.
You have the freedom to express your self, you do not have the freedom to express yourself where, when, and how you want without consequences.

If you want to troll then go ahead, and accept the consequences. If you do not like what happens then the problem is you.

Do not blame the readers, the troll is the one unprepared for life in civilized society.


RE: Great, another one
By tng on 4/5/2012 6:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You have the freedom to express your self, you do not have the freedom to express yourself where, when, and how you want without consequences.

If you want to troll then go ahead, and accept the consequences. If you do not like what happens then the problem is you.
You know I can't really tell if you are serious or not.

If you are, then, really you would support throwing someone in jail or fines for something so objective? The definition of a troll depends on what you say where. There are a couple of Apple fans here who fit the definition of "troll" when the post. On a more pro-Apple site they are probably normal.

You do realize that really even the most nasty troll still has rights? Maybe you would rather they didn't if they offend you, if that is the case, hopefully you will get everything you hoped for, because someday it will come back to bite you.


RE: Great, another one
By Invane on 4/6/2012 3:21:38 PM , Rating: 2
You argument is as long as you are allowed to SAY something, freedom of speech is upheld?

What if I say that I disagree with the current president, and he should be impeached. Then the government jails me for having done so. Or kills me.

Is that ok? Would you say my freedom of speech was intact because I was able to say it? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say a rational person would say no.

Freedom of speech is not the freedom to say something. The government can't stop that short of killing you. Freedom of speech is the freedom to say something without reprisal for having done so.

The further you trot out this argument:
quote:
You have the freedom to express your self, you do not have the freedom to express yourself where, when, and how you want without consequences.

The further you undermine the very basis of what the constitution was written to protect.

In the case of the aforementioned legislation, and many other cases based on peoples 'feelings' and psychological harm, the harm inflicted is difficult to prove, impossible to quantify, and inescapably arbitrary in being legally enforced. This means there is no logical way to apply punishment in anything but a whimsical fashion that will vary from judge to judge and location to location.

In these cases, trying to legislate against something that 'offends' someone just gives the government and law enforcement a new stick to beat people with that will only be used when it suits them.

The short story. If I want to call someone fat, lazy, arrogant, ugly, short, bald, funny looking, or stupid the first amendment protects my right to do so. To say otherwise is to destroy any protection offered by the first amendment and makes it worth less than the paper it's printed on.


RE: Great, another one
By muhahaaha on 4/5/2012 11:07:56 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously, this is insane.

I can call you a fat retard to your face and will probably get slapped or punched, but if I text or email you the same, I can get thrown in jail for 25 years?

WTF is happening to this country?


INTERNET LAW?????
By debrandw246 on 4/5/2012 11:40:28 AM , Rating: 2
I waill never go to ARIZONA for a holiday!!!! There MUST be something wrong with the water in ARIZONA. The HOUSE in Arizona has once again, LOST IT'S MIND!!!! Perhaps if it's leaders moved everyone to CUBA, they all be happy.
UNBELIEVEABLE MADNESS!!!




RE: INTERNET LAW?????
By geddarkstorm on 4/5/2012 1:42:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'm starting to think Arizona does it all as one giant over the top parody.


RE: INTERNET LAW?????
By retrospooty on 4/6/2012 4:52:36 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly , its not. The AZ state leg. is actually as narrow as they sound. Absolutely ridiculous. Its embarrassing to live here. When I leave the state, I don't even tell people where I am from LOL.


I'm sorry
By ionicbluebird on 4/5/2012 3:36:47 AM , Rating: 2
But this is such a failure. FAIL, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL, FAIL! What is this, 1984?

It's a good thing I'm posting this from Canada, otherwise I could get thrown in jail for 25 years. I mean, is there anything more grey area than "offensive"?!

This ain't no slippery slope people, this is free-falling.




RE: I'm sorry
By geddarkstorm on 4/5/2012 1:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
They seem me trollin', they hatin'. Trying to catch me typin' dirty!


The Pucker factor
By Beenthere on 4/5/2012 10:11:50 AM , Rating: 2
This bill may make folks think twice before harassing people online?




INTERNET LAW?????
By debrandw246 on 4/5/2012 11:41:04 AM , Rating: 2
I waill never go to ARIZONA for a holiday!!!! There MUST be something wrong with the water in ARIZONA. The HOUSE in Arizona has once again, LOST IT'S MIND!!!! Perhaps if it's leaders moved everyone to CUBA, they all be happy.
UNBELIEVEABLE MADNESS!!!




ARIZONA INTERNET LAW
By debrandw246 on 4/5/2012 11:42:12 AM , Rating: 2
I waill never go to ARIZONA for a holiday! There MUST be something wrong with the water in ARIZONA. The HOUSE in Arizona has once again, LOST IT'S MIND! Perhaps if it's leaders moved everyone to CUBA, they all be happy.
UNBELIEVEABLE MADNESS!




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