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Victory responsible for third-ever known NSL withdrawal

Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle has reason to be proud, for he is the third person in United States history to successfully challenge and defeat a National Security Letter (NSL).

FBI Agents served Kahle with an NSL – a form of subpoena used by the FBI to gather data on terror suspects – last November, sealing the entire process with a gag order that forbid him from discussing  it with anybody but his lawyer. Together with his lawyers at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Kahle pushed back against the NSL on December 14, filing a complaint to a federal court in San Francisco. Late last month, the FBI agreed to drop the request and unseal certain court proceedings.

While Kahle was unable to provide any details on the nature of the FBI’s request, Wired's Threat Level reports that the FBI was interested in the actions of an unknown user on the Internet Archive’s website, at www.archive.org. He said the NSL’s secrecy requirements were “horrendous,” noting that he couldn’t discuss the letter’s details with fellow employees, board members, or even his own wife.

The relative rarity of a successful NSL challenge leaves the ACLU’s Melissa Goodman wondering about what happens with the “hundreds of thousands of NSLs that haven’t gone challenged.”

Kahle called his victory an “unqualified success,” reveling that his case will show others that it is indeed possible to “push back” against an NSL.

Originally conceived in 1986 as part of the Electronic Communications Act, National Security Letters were initially limited only to investigations against individuals suspected of espionage. However, their purpose expanded considerably in 2001 with the passage of the Patriot Act, which removed the “individualized suspicion requirement” and allowed government agents to issue NSLs when considered “relevant” to an “authorized investigation” in protecting the country’s security interests. Since then, the number of NSLs issued spiked dramatically:  a Department of Justice report claims that up to 143,000 NSLs were issued between 2003 and 2005 – with internal audits finding that up to 10 percent of the letters issued between 2002 and 2007 violate agency guidelines or federal law.

While various courts have attacked NSLs constitutionality, the United States government has successfully appealed each ruling, or short of that, revised the law. Writing in a 2007 ruling that found NSLs unconstitutional, Federal District Judge Victor Marrera noted that “courts have a constitutionally mandated role to play when national security policies infringe on First Amendment rights.”

“A statute that allows the FBI to silence people without meaningful judicial oversight is unconstitutional.”



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I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By sapiens74 on 5/8/2008 9:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
It's been pretty funny this year.....




RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By erikejw on 5/8/2008 9:04:48 PM , Rating: 5
Free America died 2001.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By stilltrying on 5/8/2008 9:27:49 PM , Rating: 4
more like 1913. the year of the federal money stealing reserve. look up Capitus Diminutio Minimus, Capitus Diminutio Median, and Capitus Diminutio Maximus and tell me which one represents your SS card, Drivers License, Bank Account, Insurance Card, W2, or most anything. Tell me are you a natural person because those documents just mentioned say you are'nt.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By HaZaRd2K6 on 5/8/2008 11:30:53 PM , Rating: 4
I Googled those three terms and your comment was the first thing that came up...

What do those three terms mean?


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By eppenoire on 5/9/2008 1:13:49 AM , Rating: 5
The terms have to do with how capitalization or lack of capitalization of your name on documents affects how that document legally binds you. In Capitis Diminutio Maxima (letters of your name all Capitolized) in signifies that you have no rights or recourse against the person or entity whom possesses a contract with your name spelled out that way. So, for instance if you look at any Federal documents, Social Security etcetera, you will see that your name is spelled out in all caps. Hence the implication that you have no legal recourse against them. In the days of slavery and indentured servitude all such contracts used the name spelled out in Maxima. Minima, is the first letter of your first and last name capitolized. I don't recall what this deals with. Media is all the letters in your last name being capitalized. When this is done, you are signing away all your rights, but are not signing away your freedom (so they have the right to punish you, fine you, but not imprison or enslave you).

This goes back to old Roman law and occasionally comes up when law students get bored. Its also used by those who see the government owning its citizens or those who don't agree with paying taxes. Of which they are technically right, but also wrong. We as citizens agree to give up certain rights in exchange for others. Although I do agree few people are made aware of how they give up their rights, which in a legal sense makes the government's contracts with its citizens invalid.


By Adonlude on 5/12/2008 7:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
This is kinda scary. I think I need to buy another gun.


By HOOfan 1 on 5/9/2008 8:05:20 AM , Rating: 2
Might as well look up ex parte Merryman from 1861 too.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By Autisticgramma on 5/9/2008 7:04:02 PM , Rating: 2
Movie to See free on the net:

America: Freedom to Facism. It is a $tart to seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes.


By phxfreddy on 5/13/2008 7:46:22 AM , Rating: 2
Just remember FASCISM ( note all caps mean YOU give up all your freedom ) ..... is like NAZI 'ism and its stands for NATIONAL SOCIALISM in german. Thus do not blame this fascism on us super-right-wingers. We'd just as soon have no gun/sex/drug/financial/(you add here) control.

Unfortunately freedom is a distant memory. Although I do have hope as a friend once said the more intelligent you are the more libertarian you are. Thus when we all get the Ron Kurzweil upgrades to our brains freedom may stand a chance.

Till then there will be unDemocrats in first place on the personal liberty damage scale. Followed by drunken sailor spender Republicans who perform the function of the Anaconda to help the unDem's squeeze the air out of us.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By Grast on 5/9/2008 11:16:58 AM , Rating: 4
If you mean 2001 was the start of the legal investigation of people which were calling for American’s to be killed, supporting enemy organizations, and basically committing acts of treason, then yes I guess you could say freedom died.

I on other hand regardless of whether the individual is foreign national or an American citizen believe that actively engaging in acts of terrorist and sedition against the U.S. should be investigated at the very least.

If that person turned out to be just another nut job spouting their rhetoric and not actively trying to hurt anyone, I do not see the harm in investigation. The FBI did not remove their Free Speech. They merely investigated to ensure the persons WORDS were not leading to an ACTION. Rather the FBI investigated an individual which could have been planning an attack against the citizens of this country.

Call me crazy but I want our law enforcement agencies to have the ability to find nut jobs trying to hurt my family BEFORE they actually commit the crime.

One of the biggest complaints about 911 was that not enough was done to prevent. The reason was because our law enforcement, intelligence gathering agencies, and counter espionage agencies were not allowed to do their job.

If you restrict law enforcement agencies to REACTIVE measures, DO NOT BE angry when they fail to protect you before an incident occurs.

Later...


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By littlebitstrouds on 5/9/2008 12:03:12 PM , Rating: 1
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You know when a comment like this gets a +5 rating I seriously question the maturity and backbone of the majority of the DT community.


I question it everytime a post like this get's voted down. Comment voting was meant to vote EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE material down. Not just someone else's viewpoints. It's insanely annoying that you can't dissagree on here with the majority, do so in a respectful manner, and still be taken seriously. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You ask for freedom's and than attempt to take away the freedom of others to express their viewpoints. Laughable really.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By kileil on 5/9/08, Rating: -1
By littlebitstrouds on 5/9/2008 1:17:30 PM , Rating: 1
Haha... wow, first time I've heard someone else use VBF... yah that's what a few of my friends came up with back in college... as pretty much the nastiest thing you can imagine.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By HighWing on 5/9/2008 1:23:15 PM , Rating: 3
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If you restrict law enforcement agencies to REACTIVE measures, DO NOT BE angry when they fail to protect you before an incident occurs.


I perfectly agree with you there, but what you are failing to account for is that our very government was founded with the expressed condition that all government powers be granted with some form of checks and balance to make sure the given power is not abused!!! And while giving our govt and enforcement agencies more power for our protection is all fine and good, we can't just give it to them and then not hold them accountable when they abuse it. Which "has" been happening more and more since 911.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By rsmech on 5/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By JAB on 5/9/2008 7:24:41 PM , Rating: 4
Sorry but I would rather die than have a man locked up and tortured without a trial in a US holding facility in my name just because his skin color was to dark.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? or "Who watches the watchers"

This comes from before Rome and continues to be a valid warning today. National police have proven over and over in country after country that they will do very evil things is not properly supervised. We already have checks and balances in the court system there is no good reason not to use it. Just because we call it the federal investigation bureau does not make it different from a 'national police. Only the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and the rule of law separate it from something like the KGB and the other notorious police forces. There is a very good reason for the constitution no reason to throw it out now.


By rsmech on 5/9/2008 11:23:10 PM , Rating: 2
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Sorry but I would rather die than have a man locked up and tortured without a trial in a US holding facility in my name just because his skin color was to dark.


Depends what you call torture. Water boarding compared to beheading? Either way I don't consider that torture. I assume this is what you are talking about. As far as the color of their skin you seem to be injecting racism where none is present. It's more of a distraction than a real point.

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There is a very good reason for the constitution no reason to throw it out now.


If you read my post that is my very point. The constitution has a way to deal with these issues. But what does the constitution have to do with Social Security, Medicare, Pork? Like you said no reason to throw it out. Just don't get to distracted that you can't see Rome is already burning.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By HighWing on 5/9/2008 8:07:03 PM , Rating: 2
So then I have to ask, would you still think that way after you get locked up and held without bail or even a trail because someone stole your identity and used it to buy parts for a bomb that successfully went off? Because under the current set of laws that really can happen to you or anyone. And when these kinds of mistakes happen often, thats a sign that there is a problem and calling them mistakes no longer qualifies. So I also have to ask you then if no one is to be held accountable for this happening, then how is it ever going to be fixed/changed?

And further more I at no time said anything about govt getting flak for making mistakes, I was specifically talking about cases where there were obvious signs of abuse of power. And I fail to see how you can make a connection between abuse of power and making a mistake.


By rsmech on 5/9/2008 11:14:51 PM , Rating: 3
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So then I have to ask, would you still think that way after you get locked up and held without bail or even a trail because someone stole your identity and used it to buy parts for a bomb that successfully went off?


I think I'd win the lottery first & I don't even play. But don't worry, I'm taxed enough I just have to show them my tax returns & they would know I'm innocent. I couldn't afford the part.

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And when these kinds of mistakes happen often, thats a sign that there is a problem and calling them mistakes no longer qualifies.


I hear this a lot, is it just talk or where are all the examples that you say happen often?

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So I also have to ask you then if no one is to be held accountable for this happening, then how is it ever going to be fixed/changed?


When did I say gov't shouldn't be held accountable. The difference is that I haven't been distracted by over exaggerated tales. Some are so distracted by this they may see the left hand, but the right is robbing them blind. Gov't should be accountable on all levels but they should be most accountable when they are dealing with things they have not constitutional authority.

I apologize for making my post directed toward you. My point was more to the issue & not you. Not to say in a political sense my views are greater than yours, you value yours as great as I do mine.