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Victory responsible for third-ever known NSL withdrawal

Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle has reason to be proud, for he is the third person in United States history to successfully challenge and defeat a National Security Letter (NSL).

FBI Agents served Kahle with an NSL – a form of subpoena used by the FBI to gather data on terror suspects – last November, sealing the entire process with a gag order that forbid him from discussing  it with anybody but his lawyer. Together with his lawyers at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Kahle pushed back against the NSL on December 14, filing a complaint to a federal court in San Francisco. Late last month, the FBI agreed to drop the request and unseal certain court proceedings.

While Kahle was unable to provide any details on the nature of the FBI’s request, Wired's Threat Level reports that the FBI was interested in the actions of an unknown user on the Internet Archive’s website, at www.archive.org. He said the NSL’s secrecy requirements were “horrendous,” noting that he couldn’t discuss the letter’s details with fellow employees, board members, or even his own wife.

The relative rarity of a successful NSL challenge leaves the ACLU’s Melissa Goodman wondering about what happens with the “hundreds of thousands of NSLs that haven’t gone challenged.”

Kahle called his victory an “unqualified success,” reveling that his case will show others that it is indeed possible to “push back” against an NSL.

Originally conceived in 1986 as part of the Electronic Communications Act, National Security Letters were initially limited only to investigations against individuals suspected of espionage. However, their purpose expanded considerably in 2001 with the passage of the Patriot Act, which removed the “individualized suspicion requirement” and allowed government agents to issue NSLs when considered “relevant” to an “authorized investigation” in protecting the country’s security interests. Since then, the number of NSLs issued spiked dramatically:  a Department of Justice report claims that up to 143,000 NSLs were issued between 2003 and 2005 – with internal audits finding that up to 10 percent of the letters issued between 2002 and 2007 violate agency guidelines or federal law.

While various courts have attacked NSLs constitutionality, the United States government has successfully appealed each ruling, or short of that, revised the law. Writing in a 2007 ruling that found NSLs unconstitutional, Federal District Judge Victor Marrera noted that “courts have a constitutionally mandated role to play when national security policies infringe on First Amendment rights.”

“A statute that allows the FBI to silence people without meaningful judicial oversight is unconstitutional.”



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I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By sapiens74 on 5/8/2008 9:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
It's been pretty funny this year.....




RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By erikejw on 5/8/2008 9:04:48 PM , Rating: 5
Free America died 2001.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By stilltrying on 5/8/2008 9:27:49 PM , Rating: 4
more like 1913. the year of the federal money stealing reserve. look up Capitus Diminutio Minimus, Capitus Diminutio Median, and Capitus Diminutio Maximus and tell me which one represents your SS card, Drivers License, Bank Account, Insurance Card, W2, or most anything. Tell me are you a natural person because those documents just mentioned say you are'nt.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By HaZaRd2K6 on 5/8/2008 11:30:53 PM , Rating: 4
I Googled those three terms and your comment was the first thing that came up...

What do those three terms mean?


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By eppenoire on 5/9/2008 1:13:49 AM , Rating: 5
The terms have to do with how capitalization or lack of capitalization of your name on documents affects how that document legally binds you. In Capitis Diminutio Maxima (letters of your name all Capitolized) in signifies that you have no rights or recourse against the person or entity whom possesses a contract with your name spelled out that way. So, for instance if you look at any Federal documents, Social Security etcetera, you will see that your name is spelled out in all caps. Hence the implication that you have no legal recourse against them. In the days of slavery and indentured servitude all such contracts used the name spelled out in Maxima. Minima, is the first letter of your first and last name capitolized. I don't recall what this deals with. Media is all the letters in your last name being capitalized. When this is done, you are signing away all your rights, but are not signing away your freedom (so they have the right to punish you, fine you, but not imprison or enslave you).

This goes back to old Roman law and occasionally comes up when law students get bored. Its also used by those who see the government owning its citizens or those who don't agree with paying taxes. Of which they are technically right, but also wrong. We as citizens agree to give up certain rights in exchange for others. Although I do agree few people are made aware of how they give up their rights, which in a legal sense makes the government's contracts with its citizens invalid.


By Adonlude on 5/12/2008 7:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
This is kinda scary. I think I need to buy another gun.


By HOOfan 1 on 5/9/2008 8:05:20 AM , Rating: 2
Might as well look up ex parte Merryman from 1861 too.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By Autisticgramma on 5/9/2008 7:04:02 PM , Rating: 2
Movie to See free on the net:

America: Freedom to Facism. It is a $tart to seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes.


By phxfreddy on 5/13/2008 7:46:22 AM , Rating: 2
Just remember FASCISM ( note all caps mean YOU give up all your freedom ) ..... is like NAZI 'ism and its stands for NATIONAL SOCIALISM in german. Thus do not blame this fascism on us super-right-wingers. We'd just as soon have no gun/sex/drug/financial/(you add here) control.

Unfortunately freedom is a distant memory. Although I do have hope as a friend once said the more intelligent you are the more libertarian you are. Thus when we all get the Ron Kurzweil upgrades to our brains freedom may stand a chance.

Till then there will be unDemocrats in first place on the personal liberty damage scale. Followed by drunken sailor spender Republicans who perform the function of the Anaconda to help the unDem's squeeze the air out of us.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By Grast on 5/9/2008 11:16:58 AM , Rating: 4
If you mean 2001 was the start of the legal investigation of people which were calling for American’s to be killed, supporting enemy organizations, and basically committing acts of treason, then yes I guess you could say freedom died.

I on other hand regardless of whether the individual is foreign national or an American citizen believe that actively engaging in acts of terrorist and sedition against the U.S. should be investigated at the very least.

If that person turned out to be just another nut job spouting their rhetoric and not actively trying to hurt anyone, I do not see the harm in investigation. The FBI did not remove their Free Speech. They merely investigated to ensure the persons WORDS were not leading to an ACTION. Rather the FBI investigated an individual which could have been planning an attack against the citizens of this country.

Call me crazy but I want our law enforcement agencies to have the ability to find nut jobs trying to hurt my family BEFORE they actually commit the crime.

One of the biggest complaints about 911 was that not enough was done to prevent. The reason was because our law enforcement, intelligence gathering agencies, and counter espionage agencies were not allowed to do their job.

If you restrict law enforcement agencies to REACTIVE measures, DO NOT BE angry when they fail to protect you before an incident occurs.

Later...


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By littlebitstrouds on 5/9/2008 12:03:12 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You know when a comment like this gets a +5 rating I seriously question the maturity and backbone of the majority of the DT community.


I question it everytime a post like this get's voted down. Comment voting was meant to vote EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE material down. Not just someone else's viewpoints. It's insanely annoying that you can't dissagree on here with the majority, do so in a respectful manner, and still be taken seriously. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You ask for freedom's and than attempt to take away the freedom of others to express their viewpoints. Laughable really.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By kileil on 5/9/08, Rating: -1
By littlebitstrouds on 5/9/2008 1:17:30 PM , Rating: 1
Haha... wow, first time I've heard someone else use VBF... yah that's what a few of my friends came up with back in college... as pretty much the nastiest thing you can imagine.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By HighWing on 5/9/2008 1:23:15 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
If you restrict law enforcement agencies to REACTIVE measures, DO NOT BE angry when they fail to protect you before an incident occurs.


I perfectly agree with you there, but what you are failing to account for is that our very government was founded with the expressed condition that all government powers be granted with some form of checks and balance to make sure the given power is not abused!!! And while giving our govt and enforcement agencies more power for our protection is all fine and good, we can't just give it to them and then not hold them accountable when they abuse it. Which "has" been happening more and more since 911.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By rsmech on 5/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By JAB on 5/9/2008 7:24:41 PM , Rating: 4
Sorry but I would rather die than have a man locked up and tortured without a trial in a US holding facility in my name just because his skin color was to dark.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? or "Who watches the watchers"

This comes from before Rome and continues to be a valid warning today. National police have proven over and over in country after country that they will do very evil things is not properly supervised. We already have checks and balances in the court system there is no good reason not to use it. Just because we call it the federal investigation bureau does not make it different from a 'national police. Only the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and the rule of law separate it from something like the KGB and the other notorious police forces. There is a very good reason for the constitution no reason to throw it out now.


By rsmech on 5/9/2008 11:23:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sorry but I would rather die than have a man locked up and tortured without a trial in a US holding facility in my name just because his skin color was to dark.


Depends what you call torture. Water boarding compared to beheading? Either way I don't consider that torture. I assume this is what you are talking about. As far as the color of their skin you seem to be injecting racism where none is present. It's more of a distraction than a real point.

quote:
There is a very good reason for the constitution no reason to throw it out now.


If you read my post that is my very point. The constitution has a way to deal with these issues. But what does the constitution have to do with Social Security, Medicare, Pork? Like you said no reason to throw it out. Just don't get to distracted that you can't see Rome is already burning.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By HighWing on 5/9/2008 8:07:03 PM , Rating: 2
So then I have to ask, would you still think that way after you get locked up and held without bail or even a trail because someone stole your identity and used it to buy parts for a bomb that successfully went off? Because under the current set of laws that really can happen to you or anyone. And when these kinds of mistakes happen often, thats a sign that there is a problem and calling them mistakes no longer qualifies. So I also have to ask you then if no one is to be held accountable for this happening, then how is it ever going to be fixed/changed?

And further more I at no time said anything about govt getting flak for making mistakes, I was specifically talking about cases where there were obvious signs of abuse of power. And I fail to see how you can make a connection between abuse of power and making a mistake.


By rsmech on 5/9/2008 11:14:51 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
So then I have to ask, would you still think that way after you get locked up and held without bail or even a trail because someone stole your identity and used it to buy parts for a bomb that successfully went off?


I think I'd win the lottery first & I don't even play. But don't worry, I'm taxed enough I just have to show them my tax returns & they would know I'm innocent. I couldn't afford the part.

quote:
And when these kinds of mistakes happen often, thats a sign that there is a problem and calling them mistakes no longer qualifies.


I hear this a lot, is it just talk or where are all the examples that you say happen often?

quote:
So I also have to ask you then if no one is to be held accountable for this happening, then how is it ever going to be fixed/changed?


When did I say gov't shouldn't be held accountable. The difference is that I haven't been distracted by over exaggerated tales. Some are so distracted by this they may see the left hand, but the right is robbing them blind. Gov't should be accountable on all levels but they should be most accountable when they are dealing with things they have not constitutional authority.

I apologize for making my post directed toward you. My point was more to the issue & not you. Not to say in a political sense my views are greater than yours, you value yours as great as I do mine.


By Autisticgramma on 5/9/2008 7:27:34 PM , Rating: 2
I'm troubled by the use of language here;

Sedition: Incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sedition

Terrorism:
the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion (Torture, any one?)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terroris...

Sedition And Terrorism: Double Speak

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and Malcom X are seditionists, strictly due to their goals of having others joining their causes; that just happened to challenge the status quo of the law, and its enforcement authorities. Are they terrorists? Did they deserve to be bugged (surveiled) for years before they were killed?

And secondly,

Law enforcement is by definition reactive; ThoughtCrime is, as I read it unconstitutional. So therefore a crime has to be committed, and then proven. This is to prevent abuse of power, something it appears our generation is not just complacent about, but down right ignorant.

Proactive enforcement, is and will always be up to me, the citizen. Get off the couch and get to know your neighbors; all of us will be the safer.


By MisterChristopher on 5/10/2008 12:16:22 AM , Rating: 3
Although I certainly agree that enemies should be investigated and that it is important to gain intelligence before terrorist acts occour, I do have a problem with our government having the ability to remove due process for anyone.

I also have a problem with the fact that we are standing by watching as the government removes the constitutional rules regarding information access. These rules are simple and do not take terrible amounts of time to follow. They simply specify that a warrant based on probable cause must be obtained before the government prys into your business. If the government cannot proove probable cause, then they should not have any right to do anything.

Assuming our war on terror continues indefinitely, this allows the government to indefinitely suspend the rights of habeas corpus. This is very dangerous to your childrens rights. If you study history, it is clear that the impact of the laws passed now will not be fully recognized for many years.

What we are talking about is setting a new precident that has the potential to allow the federal government to distroy your constitutional rights for the rest of our existance as a nation.

Its about time that people start taking up responsibility for their own protection and stop trading their freedoms away for false comforts. I'm starting a militia.


By phxfreddy on 5/13/2008 7:49:43 AM , Rating: 2
You are off base. Investigations will occur. Its saying the INVESTIGATED can not talk about it!

So now any old unDemocrat can say we want to take your land in the name of GlobalWarming and issue you a NSL to make it so you aren't allowed to fight by calling from help from other people because you are not legally allowed to inform them!


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By Reclaimer77 on 5/9/2008 11:48:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Free America died 2001.


You know when a comment like this gets a +5 rating I seriously question the maturity and backbone of the majority of the DT community.


By BansheeX on 5/9/2008 12:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
People have a short memory and would love to place blame for everything in something recent and simple. Bush is just a punching bag for the stupidity of America. The fact of the matter is, this degeneration has been cumulative, and you have to look at the enabler: congress and the people for electing them. When you elect people who ignore supreme law and accept lobby money in return for special privilege legislation, what do you expect the result to be?

We had a really unique situation in America. We got lucky and defeated the British who were preoccupied with the French and got a bunch of upstanding anti-government intellectuals in a room together. They debated and wrote a document to prevent tyranny from ever getting a foot in the door. It was an incredible experiment that we may never have an opportunity to replicate again. The average person didn't even have to understand history or economics to benefit from their conclusions, which were mostly right. When that's gone and ignored, it becomes a serious challenge to educate the population on just exactly why it's so important to have those amendments on gun rights, free speech with no exceptions, gold-backed money, etc. But as amazing as the constitution was for it's time, I can be just as critical of it. It could have been clearer and had a little more teeth. I wish we could have a clean slate again knowing all that we do now and put a bunch of libertarians in the room. Haha, that constitution would be brutal.


By phxfreddy on 5/13/2008 7:53:23 AM , Rating: 2
Without a doubt 2001 was merely a continuation of something that started the minute the republic was formed. People..namely politicians and otherwise starting gaming the system looking for strategic business advantage.

A true capitalist does not go this route. I call the cheaters unDemocrats/socialists/communists/authoritarians etc.

I have known a few true capitalists and they are people to behold. Honesty beyond the call of duty.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By Misty Dingos on 5/9/2008 9:09:40 AM , Rating: 5
Alright because I am nice, it is Friday and I like to help people I will say something about this.

There are some 300,000,000 people in the USA. Keep that number in mind.

We have been engaged in a war with terrorism since about 1979. I know most of you only have memories that go back about two weeks so this is going to be hard for you, please TRY to pay attention. Alright, 1979 the Iranian Embassy Take Over. So fast forward to George W. Bush who got the crap sandwich handed to him because he was president in 2001 when this war finally made the big time. Oh apparently big time would be thousands dead not hundreds. Because the citizens of the Good Ole USA have an internal take notice switch which is set some where between 800 and 1000 dead in most citizens. Out of this we got the Patriot Act and a host of other governmental actions. Perceived and real restrictions on freedoms have been fed us by our government. And we agree pretty much anything that restricts freedom sucks.

But what are you going to do about it? Do you vote? Do you even want to vote? Are you a member of an advocacy group (ACLU, CFIF, NRA)? Are you going to head on down to the court house and file a law suit against the government for restricting your freedoms? Are you going to join the military and take up arms against the terrorists and those that aid them? Are you going to march on Washington DC? Are you going to do anything that will actually make a difference? I am willing to bet that the answer will be a resounding NO in at least a third of you. Why, because at least 33% of you are whiners, complainers, weaklings and cowards. You may not be all of the above but I have no doubt that you are at least one of them. Look around that means when you go to lunch with two of your friends statistically one of you is in that group. At least 100 million total Americans.

So this is for that group.

Get up off of your knees and DO SOMETHING! If you don’t believe in the GWOT (Global War On Terror)then seek to end it through your votes and advocacy. Work to restore the freedoms you feel have been unjustly taken from you. Flood the coffers of those that you feel will further your cause. Quit complaining and do something.

If you believe that the GWOT is possibly the defining conflict of the 21st Century then DO SOMETHING! Elect leaders that you think will carry the fight to the enemy. Work with groups that support the military. If you are young and healthy enough to fight, then join up and put your blood on the line. Quit wringing your hands and do something.

The time for people to pick sides started years ago those that don’t will simply be ground between the two sides that are gathering now. And no it will not end when George leaves office. You can give that fantasy up now. And it won’t be over when the next president leaves office either.

And my final bit of advice for those that still don’t want to do anything but stay in the whining, complaining, weakling cowards group. The Canadian border is to the north and please make your way there because the rest of us are going to make history or die trying.

P.S. I am not trying to insult the Canadian people. I just couldn’t think that group would make it in Mexico and well Canadians are nice.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By dice1111 on 5/9/2008 9:52:54 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I'm Canadian and I'll try and say this as nice as possible... but, we don't want these people either.


By HaZaRd2K6 on 5/9/2008 10:40:22 PM , Rating: 2
Ain't that the truth.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By FITCamaro on 5/9/2008 10:06:18 AM , Rating: 2
Bravo.

I am actually looking at signing up with the Air Force Reserve. I've no desire to quit my job and go into the military full time. But I would love to say that I've served my country fighting for something I believe in.

As far as using my vote to support the things I believe in, unfortunately the candidates that agreed with me are no longer an option. If Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee are on the ballot, I'll vote for them. Otherwise you kind of have to support one of the others that agrees with you more than the other. Sure you can write in a vote. But the likelihood of someone getting elected that way doesn't exist.


By pmcjury on 5/10/2008 4:11:52 PM , Rating: 2
As someone that just returned from air force basic training and technical school I would highly recommend the Air Force Reserves. It allows you to stand up and do what is needed when our country needs it, but carry on a fairly normal life.


By Reclaimer77 on 5/9/2008 11:45:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Get up off of your knees and DO SOMETHING! If you don’t believe in the GWOT (Global War On Terror)then seek to end it through your votes and advocacy. Work to restore the freedoms you feel have been unjustly taken from you. Flood the coffers of those that you feel will further your cause. Quit complaining and do something.


They wont. We have it so good in America, and take so much for granted. That some people like these have nothing better to do than to create issues on knee jerk phillisophical grounds while the real important "boring" issues that COULD really impact their lives negatively on a daily basis are being ignored.


RE: I love SNL!!! Whats the problem?
By derwin on 5/9/2008 3:43:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
But what are you going to do about it? Do you vote? Do you even want to vote? Are you a member of an advocacy group (ACLU, CFIF, NRA)? Are you going to head on down to the court house and file a law suit against the government for restricting your freedoms? Are you going to join the military and take up arms against the terrorists and those that aid them? Are you going to march on Washington DC? Are you going to do anything that will actually make a difference?


quote:
Are you going to do anything that will actually make a difference?


I hate to break it to you, but this is where your whole argument falls apart. Those things do not make a difference. There are no candidates to vote for that would recind this. Yeah, Kusinich, Ron Paul, they were there... but I won't be able to vote for them in November... File a Law Suite against the Government? I would be one of those buffoons laughed at for doing such a thing on websites not too dissimilar from this one. Join the military? You make that sound like I would go get to hunt OBL, or maybe fight Kim Jong Il... no... I wouldn't thought, would I? I would probably be in a country where I am shot at by people who are mad at me because my country wants to make their oil fields a capital commodity, freely traded and bought and sold in an open market (I.E. by Exxon, Shell, or pretty much any other company ownd by anyone besides the people of Iraq). Don't get me wrong, Saddam was an ashhat, and didnt give that oil money to his people either... but I digress...
Lastly, and most humourusly, you mentioned marching on DC... what will that do? Get you arrested for not having a permit to express your freedom of speech.

Oh, freedom of speech. The last thing I think anyone meant by free speech is the kind you need authorization from your government to make...

Yeah, 300 million people could make a difference, but none of us agree on what that difference should be, and when 300 million people are working against eachother, its even worse than 300 million just not working together.

You expounded this problem in your motivational rant at the end of your post.
quote:
If you believe that the GWOT is possibly the defining conflict of the 21st Century then DO SOMETHING! Elect leaders that you think will carry the fight to the enemy.

quote:
If you don’t believe in the GWOT (Global War On Terror)then seek to end it through your votes and advocacy.


Exactly. People are doing things. People are voting. People are working to win the GWOT and end the GWOT.

Don't assume we are ALL lazy. But consider exactly what you just said. When these forces work to oppose eachother, nothing moves, nothing gets done, only minute comprimises which more often than not, accomplish nothing of their intent, due to being too weak from comprimise are all that gets through.

I think, and these are my own opinions now, that one of the great downfalls of this country was when our political system finally consolidated itself into two parties. Concensus took on a whole different meaning, and now the tyrany of the majority takes place to an extent, if not only within the walls of our legislative branch. When there exists only two viewpoints on a subject, those two forces will push upon it equally from both sides, and it will remain stuck between them. Given at least a third, a much greater give and take is created.

I am offering no solutions, and probably not saying anything rather insightful at all here, and probably large portions of my critizism of your post will stand as folly. So don't bother to respond if that is all that needs to be pointed out about what I've said.


By JonnyDough on 5/10/2008 10:18:11 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not religious, and I don't get to vote on this because I posted...but...

Amen.


By phxfreddy on 5/13/2008 8:07:49 AM , Rating: 2
Much as I love your gung ho attitude its totally full of crap.

Let me inform you how freedom works:

I do what I...read it again I think helps. The manner in which I live my life is MY VOTE. Its the most powerful vote you have.

Your " do 1 of 3 choices " argument falls flat on its stoney nose. Why? I get 3 of YOUR choices.

Thanks but no thanks. That's just another form of coercion and I've had enough of that in the USA for my tastes.

I'll make suggestions to you all of my own but they are ONLY suggestions. NB: I am atheist

1- first and foremost be an honest direct speaking capitalist. Do no coerce others by any methods other that ideal true market forces.

2- learn business ... learn it well. business is merely human behavior with a point scoring system. That's why alot of people like to talk it down. They aren't tough enough on themselves to accept a rating system.

3- ....I could go on...but the list is too long. You get the point. Live your life in a way that others remember and wish to have the same aura of personal power. This power only comes from forms of personal integrity that must be actively cultivated.


winning by giving them what they want?
By kattanna on 5/9/2008 10:11:18 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

quote:
The Internet Archive voluntarily provided limited, publicly available information to the FBI, said EFF senior staff attorney Kurt Opsahl. He declined to elaborate.


so he "won" by giving them some info???




RE: winning by giving them what they want?
By MozeeToby on 5/9/2008 11:12:40 AM , Rating: 2
The key word there was "Publicly", meaning accessible by the general public. They probably went into the guys account page (that anyone can access) and got his email address, given name, or something similar.

Since the gov't dropped the issue after recieving this publicly available information it kinda makes you think that maybe they're abusing thier power a little (i.e. using it when it isn't nesissary).


By phxfreddy on 5/13/2008 7:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
These sort of governmental powers may start off with noble intentions. ......however I can see them at some point not too far down the road being perverted by the pro-government crowd to steal more liberties and powers from the people.


Wow...
By lagitup on 5/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: Wow...
By Joz on 5/8/2008 9:11:00 PM , Rating: 2
Next they start putting politian's heads on pornstar bodies.


RE: Wow...
By Ticholo on 5/8/2008 9:47:50 PM , Rating: 2
That would actually be an improvement, because now you have pornstars' heads in politician's bodies.
The content wouldn't change, but at least it could be more pleasing to the eye.


RE: Wow...
By Polynikes on 5/8/2008 9:56:33 PM , Rating: 3
GWB: "I kinda like this moar guvurnment thang. Makin' new laws is fun!"


RE: Wow...
By the goat on 5/9/08, Rating: 0
RE: Wow...
By the goat on 5/9/2008 1:24:44 PM , Rating: 2
I love how I was rated down but nobody will reply to my post and explain how I'm wrong. Thanks guys. You are all great.


RE: Wow...
By derwin on 5/9/2008 4:05:11 PM , Rating: 2
In all fairness, the US PATRIOT Act was authored by the department of justice (part of the executive branch), in large part, by Viet Dinh, then Assistant Attorney General.


RE: Wow...
By Durrr on 5/9/2008 6:50:15 PM , Rating: 1
lol? what happend to the DOJ being part of the JUDICIAL branch?


RE: Wow...
By the goat on 5/10/2008 10:23:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
lol? what happend to the DOJ being part of the JUDICIAL branch?

Nothing happend. The DOJ has never been in the Judicial branch of government. The DOJ is the Attorney General's club. 100% executive branch.


RE: Wow...
By derwin on 5/11/2008 5:01:09 AM , Rating: 2
You have displayed the same ignorance that has plagued this country (on the right, the left, and up the middle) for nearly half a century. Before you shoot your mouth again, try wikipedia on for size. It's a start.

Your name is more appropriate than you would have ever imagined.


RE: Wow...
By derwin on 5/11/2008 5:01:50 AM , Rating: 2
and I really wish I could take that back... If anyone gets the chance, rate my above post down please. I just got off a 13 hour shift.

Sorry.


RE: Wow...
By Polynikes on 5/12/2008 7:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
If you think the president doesn't have influence on what laws are proposed/passed, you are sorely mistaken.


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