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The iPhone is helping AT&T while hurting the phone company's competition

Even though the iPhone does not launch for 11 days, the hype surrounding the latest Apple gadget continues to explode.  More than 64 percent of American users and 56 percent of British mobile phone users have at least heard of the iPhone. 

While the iPhone will be an expensive product -- priced at $499 and $599 for the 4GB and 8GB model respectively-- and users will have to sign an exclusive contract with AT&T, many consumers seem unfazed.  According to a study done by M:Metrics, almost 1 in 10 mobile phone users in the United States have "a strong interest" in purchasing an iPhone.  Of the 11,064 people polled for the study, 67 percent are subscribers of a service besides AT&T. 

Further research suggests that as many as 19 million Americans are interested in purchasing an iPhone.

"This is an early indication that AT&T's strategy to use the device to lure customers from competitors could play off," said Mark Donovan, M:Metrics senior analyst.

Analysts also expect AT&T iPhone users will spend an additional $20 per month on data service charges that average AT&T subscribers do not use.

Apple and AT&T have an exclusive agreement for at five years, meaning people wanting the iPhone will be forced to use AT&T.  Analysts expect T-Mobile and Sprint Nextel to be hurt most by the deal.

Apple plans to have up to 3 million iPhones for the scheduled launch on June 29.



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I dont know....
By swtethan on 6/18/2007 1:57:07 AM , Rating: 3
Who here has spent over $300 for a phone?

also... my phones only last like... a year




RE: I dont know....
By awer26 on 6/18/2007 2:03:27 AM , Rating: 2
I spent $400 on my Cingular/HTC 8525 and don't regret it for a moment. I was carrying around a Dell Axim and a phone, plus my wallet, keys, random crap etc and ran out of pockets! Consolidating the PDA and phone was a great choice and the 8525 has all the features I would want or need.


RE: I dont know....
By aurareturn on 6/18/2007 2:05:16 AM , Rating: 5
I really hate the hype surrounding it. The iPhone is the definition of consumerism. Do you really need an iPhone to be happy? Spending $600 for a phone when you can easily get a free one and get the job done? Why not save the $600 for college or buy something nice for your wife/family/mom?

People need think hard and make the right decision, especially those who aren't loaded with money.


RE: I dont know....
By jpcesar on 6/18/2007 7:23:25 AM , Rating: 2
wise and perceptive comment.


RE: I dont know....
By BillyBatson on 6/18/2007 9:00:07 AM , Rating: 2
It's not about needing it to be happy. To some including myself the free phones don't cut it. They are often crap quality, don't last as long, don't offer nearly as many features including simple things like a larger screen, and if you ever owned one of those free phones and a $300+ phone you'll quickly notice the more expensice phone you paid for has better reception and call quality most of the time.
For people like me the iphone is something we want because of the design, the new interface which is just a giant screen, the online options having such a large screen, and the fact that it would definitely replace my ipod completely which means 1 less item to carry around with me. Sure I do not like the price but I understand that it is priced correctly.
IF I were with Cingular I would be buying it within a month of release but alas I am with Spring and will be stinking with them with my Samsung UpStage.


RE: I dont know....
By omnicronx on 6/18/2007 10:10:47 AM , Rating: 1
you make a lot of assumptions based on nothing, you have no idea what this phone will be like. All you know is its a nice sexy looking phone with a crazy touch screen and a built in mp3 player.. what you dont know is will they break easily, is the signal crap, is your nice touchscreen gonna get scratched to shit in 30 days? etc etc.. you just dont know..

please dont make this phone out to be king before it comes out.. because for all you know it could shit the bed for being a crap product..

Just look at all the broken ipods, especially in the first gen.. and that was just an mp3 player ;)


RE: I dont know....
By michael2k on 6/18/2007 2:06:58 PM , Rating: 1
You bring up the iPod... you do realize that the iPod has been successful, right? So in comparing to the iPod you also have to acknowledge that the iPhone could be as successful as the iPod as well.


RE: I dont know....
By omnicronx on 6/18/2007 2:17:08 PM , Rating: 3
i think your logic is flawed.. by your logic i can mix anything successful mixed with something else and it will also be successful.. well unfortunately things don't always work that way.. (fish is good.. so is chocolate but it doesnt mean you can mix the two and have it taste good.. unless thats your thing ;) )

and i was only pointing out the flaws in first generation products.. especially ipods.. one example ill leave you with is battery life.. how do you power a phone for more than a day when you use it as your mp3 player.. and with a battery thats not removable i can see problems arising.

im not gonna have a verdict on the iphone until i see it in action.. thats all im saying


RE: I dont know....
By michael2k on 6/18/2007 3:31:36 PM , Rating: 2
Explain the flaw with bettery life?

I bought a 1st gen iPod in 2001 for my birthday. Claimed it had 10 hours of battery but I routinely got 12 hours. Hmm, how do I charge it? Let's see, I plug it in!

My phone, now, I need to charge every three days.

So if the iPhone claims 10 day standby but really has 5 day, it will be a huge improvement over my current phone; where is the drawback?

You just plug in the charger for the iPhone every couple of days, and you have no problems. It worked for all 100m iPods, I fail to see where the problem will be with the iPhone.


RE: I dont know....
By dankim333 on 6/18/2007 10:21:33 PM , Rating: 2
I BELIEVE what he/she was trying to say was that there is an awful large load being placed on an all in one product with no ability to easily change its battery. What we don't know right now is how well it is gonna stand up to a "real world" test. i.e. 3-4 hours of wifi or 3G (oh wait, no 3G... 2.5G... whatever)surfing while playing music almost continuously through your bluetooth headphones while prank calling/ordering starbucks using google maps... Oh, and perhaps take a call every now and then. ;-) These tasks in and of itself aren't that big of a deal, except for the fact that most phones in this form factor with these capabilities have less than steller battery life. Pidgeonhole that with a nonreplaceable battery, and yeah. There is *some* reason to worry there.

No, we don't know how it's gonna fare right now because apple is very scant on information right now. It will certainly be interesting to see how it pans out. I personally think $500 for a phone is more than a fair price for this type of capability--it does a few things quite right. AAAAND more than a handful of things wrong to where i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. (i.e. no developers w/o apple scrutiny? battery? no 3G?)

It shore is purdy tho.


RE: I dont know....
By Lazarus Dark on 6/18/2007 5:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
fish is good.. so is chocolate but it doesnt mean you can mix the two and have it taste good.. unless thats your thing

Quote of teh year.


RE: I dont know....
By masher2 (blog) on 6/18/2007 10:14:42 AM , Rating: 4
> "Why not save the $600 for college or buy something nice for your wife/family/mom..."

What if you've already done all the above? Or what if the iPhone being bought IS a "something nice" for a wife, mother, or other family member?

I don't advocate the phone for someone scraping to pay the rent, but many people have far more disposable income than a $499 or $599 phone requires.


RE: I dont know....
By Hare on 6/18/2007 10:29:35 AM , Rating: 4
Thank you! You hit the nail in the head.

I would just like to add something:
quote:
Spending $600 for a phone when you can easily get a free one and get the job done?


What if I said the same thing about cars, you would call me a moron. You could easily get from place a to b with a cheap small car. Why do people buy expensive cars? Because some people want to travel comfortably and/or want high performance. Some even buy a specific car because they want it to represent themselves. Why eat a nice tasty steak when you could just boil some rice and sleep in a cave?


RE: I dont know....
By crystal clear on 6/19/2007 1:50:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What if you've already done all the above? Or what if the iPhone being bought IS a "something nice" for a wife, mother, or other family member?


"something nice" for a wife, mother, would be crystal clear diamond/s .

Diamonds are a women's best friend & Diamonds are forever,

& NOT an iPhone.

iPhone is for kids to show off at school !
"Back to school buying season is about to start"


RE: I dont know....
By akugami on 6/18/2007 4:39:27 PM , Rating: 2
Well...I spent $400 on my phone and my cousin spent about $650...my brother has spent $1000 on a phone back in the day though nothing over $300 recently. Nokia for one does a pretty darn good business on expensive phones so I would say the market is there. Sony Ericsson, Motorola and Samsung among others have these $400 and up phones for sale.

Consumerism or not, the market is indeed there. And that is why I believe the iPhone will be successful. Couple a seemingly decent phone, especially if the battery life claims hold true, with a little hype and marketing along with Apple's currently good name in the consumer market and you have a product that is more likely to succeed than fail.

I for one am not buying it. My next phone purchase will be in another year. Probably when the iPhone 2.0 comes out.

The biggest obstacle IMHO is battery life. I want a device that can play a full length movie (2-3 hours) play audio for another 4 hours, browse the web for 1 hour and still have enough juice for an hour of talk time. All these fancy smart phones, of which I own one, with their fancy features and half of the features can't be used due to insufficient battery life.

Take Wifi on phones. Wifi on phones are a great idea but bad due to poor battery life. My phone dies in an hour of web browsing over my wifi network. I did it twice to test it out. The experience was not bad, it's just that the wifi component sucked so much power that it was not worth the effort.


RE: I dont know....
By Visk on 6/18/2007 9:44:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why not save the $600 for college or buy something nice for your wife/family/mom?


...like an iPhone!


RE: I dont know....
By dude on 6/18/2007 2:46:08 AM , Rating: 3
Last year, I got my GF a Sony K800, which was $480 at the time. I also got one too.

A few months ago, she wanted the Nokia 8801, or whatever model it was, but she wanted the black edition, which was $600. Yep, she got it.

The most I've spent on a phone was $900, which was awhile ago on a nokia. My buddy got the Nokia 8800 late last year for $1100. Too rich for me.

To tell you the truth, I didn't and never needed so much in a phone, as I only use it to make calls, text msg sometimes, and set the alarm to go off at certain times, and bluetooth. The rest, like the camera, I haven't used in months!

Of course, if I can find the iphone without contract, I will probably buy it, as long as it cost less than $600-700 bucks.

Same thing, I will not need all the features, but I will probably want it for the "coolness" factor, which will probably wear off after a month or two. Hell, why not enjoy life, even if it is a stupid waste of money?


RE: I dont know....
By xsilver on 6/18/2007 4:25:49 AM , Rating: 2
dont know why you got modded down mate - maybe you sound a bit pompous with your money?

but there are heaps of people that I know that are exactly the same - they have the most bling phones but dont know how to use them and only have it to show off.

when this phone is released in another country - we'll truly see the popularity of the phone. Through sales on ebay and without attachment to at&t.
Personally I dont see it as much more than your standard pda phone with a 4gb or 8gb nano attached.
that is really going to kill your battery, most likly not even getting 1 day use out of it if you're going to put mp3's on it.


RE: I dont know....
By BMFPitt on 6/18/2007 6:43:29 AM , Rating: 2
The Apple/AT&T marketing team has a picture of you in the powerpoint slides at their meetings. You are their target market.

But there aren't very many of you, which is why the iPhone will flop in sales (at least as compared to its hype.)


RE: I dont know....
By spluurfg on 6/18/2007 3:11:39 AM , Rating: 3
K700, K750, K800, N73 when they came out. I only had to pay for the K800, since I got it without a contract. The rest were free with contract. $500 with a 2 year contract is insane -- you can get any phone you want free with an 18 month contract in the UK, including the stupid LG Prada, the 8800 Sirocco, any Blackberry ever made, HTC/T-mobile/O2 PDA phone... Heck they even offer a free phone plus a free PS3 with some contracts.


RE: I dont know....
By xsilver on 6/18/2007 6:07:35 AM , Rating: 2
its the same here in Australia - the US system is probably a bit stuffed.

24months contract + $50 AU (40US) per month (including $50 free calls) = pretty much any phone free N73,E65, LG shine etc.
This would probably only exclude the N95 and phones in that price range. On around a $90 plan though it would be free.

at the end of the contract - sell the phone and pocket the $$$.


RE: I dont know....
By Ralph The Magician on 6/18/2007 10:14:43 AM , Rating: 2
lol

You really think that phone is free? By the time the contract is over you've already payed for the phone, and then some. Of that $50AU you spend a month, $15AU is going to paying off your phone.


RE: I dont know....
By ss284 on 6/18/2007 12:03:20 PM , Rating: 1
lol

The Iphone is $600 with a contract, so that ~$15 a month is going toward paying off the other part of the phone, for a total of roughly $1000 for an phone, compared to roughly $400 for a "free" phone. Still a $600 difference.


RE: I dont know....
By plewis00 on 6/19/2007 1:51:23 AM , Rating: 2
The UK phone market is non-representative. It is one of the few sectors where the UK is one of the cheapest in the world. Because of the way we in the UK embraced phone technology, subsidies on the handsets are some of the largest anywhere (if not the largest) - dealers are paid huge commissions for connecting and keeping customers, networks pay lots of commission because there is loyalty and the additional features are used and manufacturers strike up dealer/network exclusivity deals all the time (but not for 5 years, about the largest one I've heard was 1 month for Carphonewarehouse on the new Nokia 8600 Luna before Phones4u and the rest get it). You can even get 12 month contracts with 12 months free cashback (what I suppose the American market would call, 100% free after rebates). I realised all this after reading about the iPhone, yes, it is expensive but you cannot compare the US phone market to the UK one.


RE: I dont know....
By Ralph The Magician on 6/18/2007 10:11:01 AM , Rating: 2
Most people.

Just because you get a phone for "free" doesn't mean you actually got it for free. That's why you have to sign a 2-year contract. You pay $15 a month for that phone and you don't even realize it.


RE: I dont know....
By Oregonian2 on 6/18/2007 3:01:56 PM , Rating: 2
Our previous contract (to the one we just signed) was a 1-year contract to Verizon. Our monthly payments were only $15/month so I suspect the amount for the phone was less than that. That phone mostly only worked as a phone though. Radical.


RE: I dont know....
By Hare on 6/18/2007 10:16:33 AM , Rating: 3
Seriously... That's like asking "who here has a mercedes" or "how here has a thinkpad"? Many people have high cost or even luxury items or simply costly business tools.

Apple isn't trying to sell this phone to every single consumer (that's what the later iPhone nano is for :P ) and every one has a choice. What's wrong with Apple's approach? Does everything have to be cheap and crappy? Are competitors offering better devices at a lower cost?

I know many people with >400€ phones including many who own a Nokia Communicator (E90) and that's 800€. Some people actually have the money to spend and some even use their phones as tools. I personally have a 400€ phone and think it was definately worth the money. Btw. those prices were just for the phones no operator deals.

In a nutshell. If you want a simple phone for just calls and sms' get something else. If you want the best user experiance currently out there, cool tech or even just a fashion item, get the iPhone.


RE: I dont know....
By TheDoc9 on 6/18/2007 11:04:53 AM , Rating: 2
with so much hype, this thing is going to be fantastic. The only way it can go it down.


RE: I dont know....
By darkpaw on 6/18/2007 11:14:21 AM , Rating: 2
The more something is hyped up, typically the more it sucks.


RE: I dont know....
By WileCoyote on 6/18/2007 11:14:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who here has spent over $300 for a phone?


I have - 3 times. I'm not bragging because the phones were junk, each lasted about a year and a half, and were bulky as heck. But that's the price you pay when you need a qwerty keyboard or equivalent touchscreen, a good calendar/reminder system, and a web browser that works with most sites.

I'm looking forward to the iphone since it means I get all that but now I don't have to put up with the stress caused by MS Windows Mobile (POS OS).

My 2 cents on why they released Safari for Windows - so more websites will be tweaked to work properly with Safari which allows the browser on the iphone to work with more sites.


RE: I dont know....
By ToeCutter on 6/18/2007 7:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm looking forward to the iphone since it means I get all that but now I don't have to put up with the stress caused by MS Windows Mobile (POS OS).


ROGER THAT!

How sad is it that one has to setup a shortcut to manually kill off running processes on the Q with WM5?

And that's with a measily 5 or 6 third party apps installed.

Almost makes me long for the days of single-tasking with Palm OS (well, almost, but not quite ;-)

I'm curious to know how many soon-to-be-iPhone users out there are gonna switch not because they want an iPhone, but because they are fed up with WM5 and its frequent crashes/lockups/resource-hogging...


RE: I dont know....
By Oregonian2 on 6/18/2007 2:59:20 PM , Rating: 2
Wife and I each paid a lot more than that once for analog StarTAC phones a long long time ago. Never again though. We just got a couple new unlocked KRZR's for about $180 each, and that's probably around tops that we would go now.


RE: I dont know....
By ToeCutter on 6/18/2007 7:03:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who here has spent over $300 for a phone?


Just about anyone who has upgraded mid-contract has probably paid far more than 300 bones for a phone.

Even the Moto Q, which close to free with a 2 year goes for $419 retail.

I have had excellent luck signing up month to month then rotating phones every 9-12 months on eBay. It's a far cheaper proposition if you upgrade frequently AND keep your phones looking pristine.

You can damn near break even if you package a few accessories and maintain good feedback.


The i hype...
By daftrok on 6/18/2007 3:59:27 AM , Rating: 5
Apple has always had an amazing marketing strategy: Half truths. Saying that the iPod was revolutionary in the media player sense. A Half truth. Archos was revolutionary in the media sense, being the first mp3 player to have a built in hard drive. The iPod was revolutionary only because so many consumers bought it. If all the mp3 playing companies had the funding and the balls to put their product out there and say: "hey this sounds awesome has a hard drive is affordable and cheaper than anything else out there" then Creative would be the revolutionary player. The iPod was overrated in the beginning and they sould over 100 million in the hype. The iPhone will be no different. The only reason people want it is for the same reason people want an iPod: hype. And hype drives the average consumer. Any tech geek out there knows that Apple is a nice company with decent products but is just too pricy for what it offers. Some techys say its worth the extra dough and want to support it, some techys say it isn't. All I know is that the only thing the iPhone has going for itself is the UI, which can be easily copied into any other smart phone. The iPhone is not revolutionary in the media sense, but revolutionary in the hype sense.




RE: The i hype...
By FITCamaro on 6/18/2007 6:58:06 AM , Rating: 2
Pretty much.

Buying Apple's crap has become a status symbol the same as driving around in a huge SUV you don't need has.


RE: The i hype...
By crystal clear on 6/18/2007 7:37:41 AM , Rating: 3
For school kids.

The timing is right.

Obviousily "Back to School" buying season !


RE: The i hype...
By ToeCutter on 6/18/2007 7:33:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Buying Apple's crap has become a status symbol the same as driving around in a huge SUV you don't need has.


I ask this with ZERO sarcasm, troll-intent, whatever:

Have you ever used an Apple product?

For that matter, who here HAS used an Apple product and NOT been satisfied, or *gasp* happy with it?

I've been working in IT for nearly 15 years, gone thru several generations of MS certs. I'm not gunning for a pissing contest, I'm simply trying to provide some context for the following comments.

That said, I've only recently become an Mac user. I found a ridiculous deal on a MacBook at Circuit City and purchased it after carefully researching Boot Camp, as I intended to use it strictly as a Windows PC. From that perspective, it was cheap, and well-equipped for my needs.

After a bit of exposure to Mac OS X, I found myself using Mac OS X more and more, until I finally became comfortable with the notion that Mac OS X offered distinct benefits over Windows.

Six months later, I have VMware Fusion Beta 4 installed and rarely find myself using Windows. Not because I think I'm Justin-Long-cool or in any way leet, but it simply offers everything I need from a notebook. The value Windows once had is now greatly diminished.

Even in a technical environment (I spend alot of time configuring virtual environments with enterprise storage), it just works.

Many of my colleagues are surprised, even suspicious, of my "Mac status", even though I've never seen myself as the stereotyped Mac user. I still wear polos with dockers, and occaisionally even a dress shirt with tie. And I ALWAYS wear socks!

If Apple has done anything I regret, it's painting Mac users as bunch of self-centered, elitist, non-conformists beatniks. While I dont speak for every Mac users, I resent the stereotype and have never tried to exude that image.

(Although, I do drive a shiny new Scion xB, so that probably doesn't help my image much ;-)

Summary: Don't believe the hype, try a Mac. You might even like it after a while...


RE: The i hype...
By OblivionMage on 6/18/2007 8:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
I tried a mac and hated it...


RE: The i hype...
By Ralph The Magician on 6/18/2007 10:17:35 AM , Rating: 2
So, it's never been done before and everyone is going to rush out and copy it, but that's not revolutionary. What is it then?


RE: The i hype...
By michael2k on 6/18/2007 2:15:02 PM , Rating: 2
You bring up the Archos and you think the iPod WASN'T revolutionary?

A comparison then.
October 2001, iPod vs Archos:
http://www.rockbox.org/playerhistory/
Firewire vs USB1.1 (12mb/s vs 1mb/s)
184g vs 340g (twice as heavy, twice as big)
5 buttons vs 9 buttons (much simpler UI on the iPod)
32mb ram vs 2mb ram (faster browse, faster response, longer battery life on iPod)
Integrated LiOn vs 4AA (10 hours vs 'up to 10 hours')

At the time I bought the 2001 iPod and got easily 12 hours with it.

You think the iPod sold 100m based solely on hype? Do you also think Microsoft sold millions of copies of Office or Windows based on hype? Or that the PS2 sold millions of units based solely on hype?

The iPhone may sell hundreds or thousands based on hype, but if the device is truly wonderful, it will sell itself.


RE: The i hype...
By akugami on 6/18/2007 4:51:32 PM , Rating: 2
I completely disagree about the iPods. Their revolutionary feature wasn't marketing or hype. It was an easy to use interface and a pleasing design. The things Apple has always been good at. Apple has won numerous industry design awards for their products and the basics of their GUI is what MS copied. In the iPod the easy to use interface coupled with the scroll wheel made it years ahead of the competition in terms of having an easy to use GUI coupled with an easy to use control system. It's only been in the last few years that other companies have caught up in the ease of use department.

While Apple's marketing is always half truths, whose isn't? That's why it's called marketing. Hype up the good stuff, gloss over the bad stuff, make implications about things you can do or are good about your products without ever really saying it.

So has hype carried the iPod? Absolutely. But it was a darned good product that helped make it a successful product before hype carried it to the 100 million and beyond mark. Hype can help carry a product but I would doubt it helped the iPod until after it already became a hit.

Let's not forget that people were buying the once Mac exclusive iPod and hacking software to make it work on PC's before Apple got a bright idea and released it for both PC's and Mac. Techies helped make the iPod popular and other techies are now slamming the iPod and saying it was built exclusively on hype. Let that sink in.


Cheap...
By Nik00117 on 6/18/2007 3:49:50 AM , Rating: 2
My phone cost me 11 euros, 5 euros of airtime came with it. You can make calls on it, and send txt msgs, the battery lasts a week.

It is a no frills kinda phone and I love it.

Would I even dream of coughing up 500 bucks for the iphone, Are you mad? Do you know how many times I could drunk off that 500, about 10 times thats ilke for the way I go out and party about 10 weeks of party.




RE: Cheap...
By theapparition on 6/18/2007 8:58:37 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds like your partying right now!


RE: Cheap...
By marvdmartian on 6/18/2007 8:59:15 AM , Rating: 1
Exactly! My phone cost me $16, and it makes phone calls. It might do text messages as well, but I really don't know (or care, since I wouldn't bother) whether it does or not. I mean, really......texting just seems so.......20th century!!! ;)

As far as the hype for these iphones, I put it in the same class as the people that have to have the newest game system, the newest (fastest) cpu, or the latest model car. It's not a matter of need, it's a matter of want, and frankly, it just disgusts me to see people waste money on crap like that. But hey, if they're willing to waste their life on 'stuff', then so be it. It's really no wonder, though, why people like that are never happy.


RE: Cheap...
By GoatMonkey on 6/18/2007 9:11:55 AM , Rating: 2
You must have truly achieved enlightenment to have posted this message without the use of a computer.


RE: Cheap...
By marvdmartian on 6/18/2007 10:13:16 AM , Rating: 1
WTF? Who ever said anything about not having technology, like a computer? I'm talking about people who aren't happy unless they have the newest technology, or did you miss that in my original post??

Seriously, turn on your sarcasm before you try to be sarcastic, would you??


RE: Cheap...
By GoatMonkey on 6/18/2007 10:33:21 AM , Rating: 2
I know what you mean. I was being a bit of a smart ass there. But you know there has to be a middle ground. Pretty much any new technology can be seen as frivolous. Especially when if first comes out. In a few years, all of the features of the iPhone could just be normal expected things.

For some people it's worth a little extra money to not wait for it. I'm not going to be the judge of what other people should spend their money on.


RE: Cheap...
By FITCamaro on 6/18/2007 10:19:05 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with him. He was talking about people like those who have dual 8800GTXs and now that the 8800 Ultras are out, they replace their current cards with the Ultras. They're a complete waste of money and are overpriced to boot, but they'll go buy them just to say they have the best.

Or people who buy a new car every year just to have the latest model.


?
By Kilim on 6/18/2007 2:03:16 AM , Rating: 2
Saying The iPhone is blowing up is like saying The L Word is controversial. Just because the marketing department says so, does not make it so.




RE: ?
By cplusplus on 6/18/2007 2:37:37 AM , Rating: 2
The L Word isn't controversial? But there are girls having sex with each other! That's still controversial in some parts of the country.

But seriously, there are a lot of people who want the iPhone (and I do count myself as one of those people). Most of these people can't afford it, and some (like myself) realize that as much as they want it, it isn't worth the price. It will sell well when it is first released, there will be a trickle of sales afterwards, then in about 6 months to a year Apple will come out with the second-gen iPhone, with a cheaper price and more space.

Oh, and for those who don't remember:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011118013704/shopper....

The first generation iPod was $399 for 5GB. And look at where they are at now. So the price will come down, and the GB will come up. That is pretty much set in stone. The question is just when and how much.


RE: ?
By FITCamaro on 6/18/2007 6:54:26 AM , Rating: 4
The fact that most people can't afford it won't stop it from selling.

Most of America will gladly put the purchase on their credit card and take a year to pay it off just to have the latest crap that companies tell them they need.


RE: ?
By GoatMonkey on 6/18/2007 8:46:24 AM , Rating: 2
Of course nobody NEEDS it. Nobody NEEDS a PS3 or XBox 360 either. Those don't have much of a legitimate use at all other than entertainment, but they're still selling pretty well. You have to admit that there is an entertainment factor that goes along with the iPhone too. It's just a cool little gadget, and it does at least have some practical uses that are more useful than a Blu-ray player.


a spoon full of sarcasm please :)
By KiDDGuY on 6/18/2007 4:48:11 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
"A lot of people pay zero for the cellphone ... That's what it's worth." -- Apple Chief Operating Officer Timothy Cook


i think thats sums up just about everything :)




RE: a spoon full of sarcasm please :)
By crystal clear on 6/18/2007 10:04:47 AM , Rating: 2
Then somebody said-'We've reinvented the phone


By crystal clear on 6/18/2007 11:54:12 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple Reinvents the Phone with iPhone"

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/01/09iphone.h...


This is "paid by Apple "research .
By crystal clear on 6/18/2007 8:00:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The iPhone is helping AT&T while hurting the phone company's competition


There is no evidence to back this claim-only time will tell if this is true or not.

quote:
Further research suggests that as many as 19 million Americans are interested in purchasing an iPhone.


When ?- certainly when the PRICES FALL ! & when will the Prices fall ?




RE: This is "paid by Apple "research .
By audiophi1e on 6/18/2007 1:06:50 PM , Rating: 2
So true on your first statement.
There is no evidence it will truly hurt the competitors. Will the iPhone become the 'killer app' that draws millions from other companies to AT&T? Unlikely. It's just too expensive. But will it change AT&T's brand image? Possibly.

If the pricepoint were in the $200-$300 range, then it would likely be the killer app that will command the market. In a silly but true comparison, it's like how Street Fighter II for the SNES was the 'killer app' for the SNES that was the ultimate reason why the SNES beat out the Genesis in the console wars back then. By the time Genesis had it's version of SFII, it was too late. Too many people had purchased the SNES already.

IMHO, it is likely in the next 12 months we will see a direct albeit cheaper competitor to the iPhone. Of course it is unlikely for it to be as polished as a product, but I think such a phone will be made. It could be SanDisk or Creative (or even MS??) pairing up with Verizon or whatnot. It could even be made straight-up from Motorola or Nokia, etc... but the iPhone will not be alone for very long.

If SanDisk/Creative/MS were smart, they would have began working all the way back when the iPhone was first announced last year...and they'd release a worthy competitor within 12months that could fleece Apple Corp.


By michael2k on 6/18/2007 2:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
Everything you said has been true about the iPod now... for the last 5 years. A year later (a year too late!) Sandisk or Creative or Sony has come out with a competitive model... based on the previous model.

By which time Apple will have:
1) Added new high end features to boost the high end model
2) Reduced the price of the high end model
3) Introduced a low end model
4) Refine the product to be even better

If the same thing happens now that has happened in the past five years... no one else will catch up to the iPhone.


People on websites like Anandtech don't get it...
By Rainman on 6/18/2007 10:41:37 AM , Rating: 2
The iPhone isn't aimed at people who browse websites like Anandtech. One of the reasons is b/c we're in the minority. Products aimed at this demographic don't make wads of cash b/c there aren't enough techies out there.

Plus techies tend to be very opinionated about technology. it's hard to make something that appeals broadly. The avg consumer is much less discriminating.

As for the price, there are a endless number of products out there where you can get the basic version very inexpensively but the high end version costs several tens if not hundreds of time more.

For instance, why aren't you all wearing 10 dollar Casios that are more accurate than 3000 dollar Rolexes? Last time I checked, nobody was criticized for having a nice watch despite the fact that a 10 dollar version will do a better job at keeping time.




By darkpaw on 6/18/2007 11:16:44 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
For instance, why aren't you all wearing 10 dollar Casios that are more accurate than 3000 dollar Rolexes? Last time I checked, nobody was criticized for having a nice watch despite the fact that a 10 dollar version will do a better job at keeping time.


Actually, whenever I see anyone with a $1k+ watch I immediately think moron with more money then sense.


By audiophi1e on 6/18/2007 12:49:22 PM , Rating: 3
...until you realize many Rolexes actually appreciate in value with time--something no Casio or Fossil watch will do.

Would I personally ever shell out $5000 for a watch? No, but I own a Rolex as a result of a wedding gift and it made me realize just how valuable and nice these things are. It also made me think of my in-laws in a totally different light.


strong interest ...
By mforce on 6/18/2007 2:45:47 AM , Rating: 2
I've got a strong interest in purchasing a Ferarri and if someone asks me in a poll that's what I'll say. That doesn't mean however that I'm going to buy one. I don't have the money nor do I really need one.
I find the iPhone far from being a Ferarri thought , it's got too much bling and too little things it can do and at 700$ ( 500 $ + 200 subsidy ) or so it's making the PS 3 look cheap. But then again it make take off in the US where people have the $.
It'll give me a bad impression about US buyers if they'll accept this one from Apple though but we shall see...




RE: strong interest ...
By dragonlordkain on 6/18/2007 4:04:14 PM , Rating: 2
Well...
just take a look... how many people want hi-end gaming and how many people want hi-end fashion (or technology)?

now, how many gamers pay they're own bills? most gamers ask PS3 for they're parents, who refuse.
Now, if you got a job, you dont need to ask anyone, and you desire something? you can go there and buy it.

So the $600 for the PS3 and the $600 for the iPhone are very diferent things.


At the end of the day...
By Griswold on 6/18/2007 4:44:13 AM , Rating: 2
... wishful thinking never helped anyones bottom line.




RE: At the end of the day...
By michael2k on 6/18/2007 2:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
Neither has betting against Apple in the past 10 years... (I'm thinking of Sony, Microsoft, Creative, iRiver, and Dell here)


FACTS
By crystal clear on 6/18/2007 7:19:49 AM , Rating: 2
Do you know that............

As a first-generation product, the iPhone could have bugs in any of a number of areas, such as the touch screen, which is unique for such a device; battery life; call quality; and software stability.

Then what do you do ? THINK ?

You can live without an iPhone but can you live without a CELL PHONE ?.

"users will have to sign an exclusive contract with AT&T"

You get this Exclusive formula :

Exclusive contract + Problematic iPhone - $600 = Anger+Frustation

"You don't want them to learn from you."

Apple lacks the experience/expertize of the likes of NOKIA/Sony Erickson/mototrola etc.

Apple(iPhone) has ZERO track record
quote:
According to a study done by M:Metrics, almost......

then another study says-

The people most likely to buy an iPhone make more money and are better educated than the national average, according to Solutions Research Group.

These research reports are like crystallomacy & predicting about the iPhone is like scrying in a crystal ball

Conclusion-

Dont take anybody for granted,just because I/you/he/she/they/we know about the iPhone doesn't say we will buy it.

First-generation products especially cell phones are a risky buy

Whilst Apple/AT&T laugh their way to the bank,you cry your way to the service centre

Its your money,its your decision




RE: FACTS
By crystal clear on 6/18/2007 11:45:16 PM , Rating: 2
UPDATES ! Read these Press releases from Apple-

iPhone Delivers Up to Eight Hours of Talk Time
Now Features Durable Glass Top Surface
CUPERTINO, California—June 18, 2007—Apple® today announced that iPhone™ will deliver significantly longer battery life when it ships on June 29 than was originally estimated when iPhone was unveiled in January. iPhone will feature up to 8 hours of talk time, 6 hours of Internet use, 7 hours of video playback or 24 hours of audio playback.* In addition, iPhone will feature up to 250 hours—more than 10 days—of standby time. Apple also announced that the entire top surface of iPhone, including its stunning 3.5-inch display, has been upgraded from plastic to optical-quality glass to achieve a superior level of scratch resistance and optical clarity.

“With 8 hours of talk time, and 24 hours of audio playback, iPhone’s battery life is longer than any other ‘Smartphone’ and even longer than most MP3 players,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “We’ve also upgraded iPhone’s entire top surface from plastic to optical-quality glass for superior scratch resistance and clarity. There has never been a phone like iPhone, and we can't wait to get this truly magical product into the hands of customers starting just 11 days from today.”

iPhone introduces an entirely new user interface based on a revolutionary multi-touch display and pioneering new software that allows users to control iPhone with just a tap, flick or pinch of their fingers. iPhone combines three products into one small and lightweight handheld device—a revolutionary mobile phone, a widescreen iPod, and the Internet in your pocket with best-ever applications on a mobile phone for email, web browsing and maps. iPhone ushers in an era of software power and sophistication never before seen in a mobile device, which completely redefines what users can do on their mobile phones.



http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/18iphone.h...

Also read-

iPhone Battery Life chart
iPhone Competitive Data

charthttp://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/18iphone.h...

Caution-

*All Battery claims are dependent upon network configuration and many other factors; actual results may vary


It doesn't matter...
By redbone75 on 6/18/2007 4:18:57 AM , Rating: 2
It really doesn't matter what most of us "in the know" think about the iPhone or Apple. It doesn't matter that we know there are other, less expensive phones out there that can do more tasks than the iPhone. It doesn't matter that we know that Apple overcharges (we think) for its products. It doesn't matter that we think of Apple fans as iSheep who will purchase any product Apple throws at them and says, "You will like it because we say it's cool." The only thing that matters to Apple is that the people who want this phone, yearly income notwithstanding, will buy it. Remember, in their own words, they're not targeting the "financially challenged."

I have never owned a Mac b/c I prefer PC's. I refuse to buy an iPod because I want more for my money (Creative Zen Vision: M, hello!). I have, however, always tipped my hat to Apple's marketing department. From Steve Jobs' keynote speeches to the "cool" solid-colored dancers on the iPod commercials to the cute ditty of the iPhone commercials, they know how to generate excitement about their products. We can only hope the companies we champion so much would do as much for their products. Besides, we don't know everything about the iPhone just yet. It just might have a surprise or two worthy of everyone saying "Now that is cool."




Just to say I have one
By viperpa on 6/18/2007 7:35:11 AM , Rating: 2
All it amounts to is people can say I have one and one of the first to get it. Let's not forget since it's brand new your going to hear about all the problems with the phone and all the complaints as well. The phone is different from other phones but no new innovation went into it. So many different phones are coming out all the time, that after the 2 year contract, it will just be a $600 paper weight.




Initial Testing...
By KTL on 6/18/2007 9:09:34 AM , Rating: 2
Here was an interesting article from initial testing of the iPhone.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38...




It's YOUR CHOICE
By jbelkin on 6/18/2007 12:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
Need it, want or can afford it - great.

If not, no one is making you buy one.

BUt it's a leap forward in more ways than one:

http://2aday.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/the-calm-bef...




The most OBVIOUS headline EVER?
By ToeCutter on 6/18/2007 6:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps trolling for comments somehow increases DT's revenue?

AT&T, without doubt, will rake mad cash off the iPhone.

It's too bad iPhone is going to be an AT&T exclusive. It's by far the primary reason I'm still on the fence concerning iPhone, as AT&T's service has consistiently sucked in the metro Detroit area.

Anyone else cringing at the thought of having to switch to AT&T just to get an iPhone?




By crystal clear on 6/19/2007 1:35:38 AM , Rating: 2
Nokia,LG,HTC etc are all ready to introduce their competing version very soon,as a matter of fact HTC has already done so.
Read their press release-

The HTC Touch is the first device to feature TouchFLO™, the new underlying touch screen technology developed by HTC. Consumers simply sweep their finger up the display to launch an animated, three-dimensional interface comprising three screens: Contacts, Media and Applications. The interface can be spun by swiping a finger right or left across the display, providing efficient access to the features consumers use most. TouchFLO™ also enhances finger touch scrolling and browsing of Web pages, documents, messages and contact lists.

Leveraging the broad functionality of Windows Mobile® 6 Professional, the HTC Touch™ includes Outlook Mobile, Office Mobile, Windows Live™ and the capabilities to run thousands of third-party applications. Users can surf the web with Internet Explorer®, send and receive emails, chat on Messenger and send files to their own web space through Windows Live™. Other HTC Touch™ details include


Availability The HTC Touch™ is now available in the United Kingdom and will be released later this month in Asia and throughout Europe. The North and Latin American version of the HTC Touch™ will be available in the second half of 2007.

http://www.htc.com/press_room/03-press-070605.htm

1)Apple should not commit the same mistake Sony did for PS3-
"they simply PRICED themselves OUT of the market".

2)The Price war is about to start-Apple ! CUT your prices ! or the competition will Cut YOU OUT of the market.

3)Apple is a newcomer in the field of Cellphones & competing with highly experienced & very powerful competitors.
They can/will bring a similar competing product that can be priced at half the iPhone price tags.
Plus they have a huge established marketing network with very developed infrastucture & support services.

There is nothing EXCLUSIVE about the iPhone or Apple-life will be very hard for Apple.




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