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After three and a half years of AT&T exclusivity, Verizon now has access to the iPhone 4

The iPhone made a huge splash on the smartphone market when it landed on AT&T's network in 2007. Since then, the iPhone has been an AT&T-exclusive; that is until now. Verizon officially announced that it will sell a CDMA version of the iPhone 4 next month.

"Today we're partnering with a giant of the industry, and that's Apple," said Verizon Wireless CEO Lowell Mcadam. Despite earlier reports that suggested that it would be Apple CEO that would join the Verizon stage to tout the iPhone 4, it was actually Tim Cook that carried the torch for Apple during the press conference. 

“We are pleased to introduce millions of wireless users to the industry leading iPhone 4 on the nation’s most reliable network,” said McAdam. “This is an important step for the industry as two great companies join forces to give wireless customers one of the most important technological additions to the mobile landscape this century.” 

“Verizon Wireless customers have told us they can't wait to get their hands on iPhone 4, and we think they are going to love it,” said Apple COO Tim Cook. “We have enormous respect for the company Verizon has built and the loyalty they have earned from their customers.”

Hardware changes are minimal, and all the same features of the GSM version of the iPhone 4 (dual camera, retina display, A4 processor, etc.) are still found on Verizon's iPhone 4.

Verizon Wireless executives were also quick to point out that it has built out its network with enough backhaul capacity to support the iPhone 4 and the data that the device consumes. It appears that Verizon Wireless doesn’t want a repeat of the strain that iPhones have put on AT&T’s fragile network.

Existing Verizon Wireless customers will be able to pre-order the iPhone 4 on February 3. Everyone else will be able to purchase the device on February 10 when it is made publicly available. Prices are the familiar $199 for the 16GB iPhone 4 and $299 for the 32GB iPhone 4. A nice addition to the Verizon iPhone 4 is that it will act as a 3G “Personal Hotspot” for up to five devices (another nod to Verizon Wireless’ confidence in its network's reliability).



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Not if it's Apple
By Ristogod on 1/11/2011 11:17:32 AM , Rating: 5
I still won't buy it. Not if it's Apple.




RE: Not if it's Apple
By Sazabi19 on 1/11/2011 11:24:59 AM , Rating: 4
Same here. And what a smug ass that Jobs didn't even speak and wasn't there. He is always there for big things like this. Maybe his AIDS are catching up to him?


RE: Not if it's Apple
By Gungel on 1/11/2011 11:30:43 AM , Rating: 1
I hope lots of people are switching to Verizon, more bandwidth for Android and WP7 phones on AT&T.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By lecanard on 1/11/2011 2:27:30 PM , Rating: 5
I hope AT&T brings back unlimited data and enables wifi tethering to compete.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By ctodd on 1/12/2011 9:18:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think that will ever happen. More like they force you to the 2TB plan + $20 for the hotspot feature. I don't think they are against the wall yet, so they will continue to milk us for every penny they can get!


RE: Not if it's Apple
By brshoemak on 2/4/2011 3:17:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
More like they force you to the 2TB plan + $20 for the hotspot feature. I don't think they are against the wall yet, so they will continue to milk us for every penny they can get!


I think if you can afford the 2 TB plan, another $20 for the hotspot feature shouldn't be that much of an issue.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By VahnTitrio on 1/11/2011 12:35:45 PM , Rating: 2
If I were a Verizon customer I'd be looking to the Droid Bionic. Of course I'm a Sprint customer (due for an upgrade). I'm hoping to hold out for whatever Sprint releases to replace the Evo at the top end. Of course knowing Sprint, that won't be for another year.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By really on 1/11/2011 1:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
Sprint has gotten better about the phones they offer and bring them out sooner. It is much better than 10 years ago when I started with them. The phone options were horrible. I'm also due for an upgrade in Febuary. If you check their site you can already get the HTC Evo Shift.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By TheRequiem on 1/11/2011 2:55:44 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, Sprint has improved vastly. I don't like AT&T or Verizon, because they are too fat and greedy now... They both nickel and dime people to death and Verizon's "totally awesome LTE" or whatever, is great with those measily 5gb 2001-ish caps on them. Sprint will most likely have their second generation 4g devices this summer. Next thing Apple will bring iPhone to Sprint now, err.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By Commodus on 1/11/2011 2:10:07 PM , Rating: 2
Really? And you want to claim superiority?

A good tech enthusiast will buy from any company if the product is good or just good for them. Apple makes many good products -- sorry, but that's reality -- and refusing to buy based on brand is just as ignorant as some Mac or Linux head refusing to touch Windows and using dollar signs to refer to Microsoft.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By ChoadNamath on 1/11/2011 2:34:41 PM , Rating: 3
A totally anti-fanboy is just as bad as a fanboy...


RE: Not if it's Apple
By Tony Swash on 1/11/2011 3:16:06 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I still won't buy it. Not if it's Apple.


You may not but millions will precisely because it is Apple. Apple is viewed, for good reasons, as a premier consumer brand.

As the iPhone spreads to other carriers in the US it will be interesting to see how the US Android sales hold up. My suspicion is that Verizon customer previously bought the best phones Verizon could offer and the one they were pushed, such as Android and RIM, but when offered the opportunity to buy iPhones they will snap them up.

At AT&T, where consumers have a choice between Android and iPhone the latter wins hands down.

See Horace Dediu's blog (ex-Nokia executive) at

http://www.asymco.com/2011/01/11/verizon-back-at-b...


RE: Not if it's Apple
By Treknologist on 1/11/2011 4:12:12 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
At AT&T, where consumers have a choice between Android and iPhone the latter wins hands down.


Yet, in the rest of the world, where people do have access to both brands, Android is now leading in sales.

It is also worth mentioning that AT&T never had any Android phones that were superphones. That changes with the introduction of the Atrix from Motorola so it will be interesting to see how things change on AT&T as that and other more powerful Android phones are introduced.

While the iPhone is indeed a good device, people are taking notice of Android and realizing they don't need an iPhone to do what they want to do with a smartphone. I know quite a few people who have either switched or have tried both iPhones and the newer Android phones and they have chosen Android and don't look back. I also know folks who prefer iPhone because they just like the "simplicity" factor.

Android has developed quickly and become much better than what it was when it first launched. It may not have been a worthy contender for iOS then, but it sure is now and it is not static.

The bottom line is that we all have CHOICE and we choose what is best for each of us. One size does not fit all. What is best for me, may not be best for you.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By Nutzo on 1/11/2011 4:51:03 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
You may not but millions will precisely because it is Apple. Apple is viewed, for good reasons, as a premier consumer brand.


And to some, Apple is viewed as an evil empire.
Charging high prices for locked down products made in sweat shops overseas, while supporting far left political groups.


RE: Not if it's Apple
By Tony Swash on 1/11/11, Rating: 0
RE: Not if it's Apple
By themaster08 on 1/12/2011 2:58:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You need to get out more.
Says the guy who posts walls of text blindly defending Apple.

What's your view on the new antenna, Tony?


RE: Not if it's Apple
By DaveSylvia on 1/11/2011 4:06:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I still won't buy it. Not if it's Apple.


Blindly buying products from a company based on name alone is stupid.
Blindly not buying from a company based on a name is equally silly.

If Apple makes a compelling product and you are aware of the downsides, then why not them? If there are alternatives, you can assess those too. Why lock yourself out of possible options?


Apple admits failure
By sprockkets on 1/11/2011 12:07:08 PM , Rating: 3
Anyone notice how the bands around the phone are redesigned?

Of course they don't want to address that, because that will mean they were wrong. But Steve can't be wrong, he's god!

Apple suckers. You pay all that extra money for nothing.




RE: Apple admits failure
By Omega215D on 1/11/2011 12:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, they relocated the antenna notch towards the top of the phone moving the buttons a bit lower thus requiring new cases...

I'm thinking that after the snafu with ATT's iPhone 4 Verizon made sure Apple would revise it so it wouldn't tarnish Verizon's service quality.

Then there's the boohooing about the lack of data and voice...


RE: Apple admits failure
By wicktron on 1/11/2011 1:36:30 PM , Rating: 2
Rather than blindly hate... Ever sit to think that maybe, just perhaps that the design was changed to accommodate CDMA versus the original design for GSM?


RE: Apple admits failure
By sprockkets on 1/11/2011 1:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
Why would that be the case that they would need a different antenna design for CDMA vs. UMTS, which is WCDMA?


RE: Apple admits failure
By Omega215D on 1/11/2011 1:59:24 PM , Rating: 2
Kinda hard to imagine because antenna design isn't drastically different with both techs just what's on the chip board. Take for example my Verizon Razr and my bro's AT&T Razr. The antenna is the exact same location and length.

Plus the gap is nowhere near the natural holding position of the phone so that's gotta be a sign of some sort.


RE: Apple admits failure
By DanNeely on 1/11/2011 4:17:00 PM , Rating: 3
It's been reported elsewhere that the 2nd antenna on the top of the phone was a Verizon imposed requirement for all phones on their network.


RE: Apple admits failure
By wicktron on 1/11/2011 5:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
And on Anandtech.com


RE: Apple admits failure
By MrFord on 1/12/2011 10:14:46 AM , Rating: 2
And will conveniently requires different cases than the AT&T version = $$$

But at least it's for a good reason.


RE: Apple admits failure
By Tony Swash on 1/11/11, Rating: 0
RE: Apple admits failure
By themaster08 on 1/12/2011 3:01:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
All surveys of iPhone 4 users shows that it has the highest consumer satisfaction ratings, that's why Apple has sold tens of millions.
Because they're all like you. Instead of facing problems head on, you prefer to throw a blanket over it all and pretend it doesn't exist, and circumvent around the issue by talking about its popularity.

It obviously mattered to Apple enough for them to redesign their antenna. They must have got fed up of removing all of those forum posts about faulty antennas.


Same ol' crap
By AlphaVirus on 1/11/2011 12:04:41 PM , Rating: 1
As an ex-iphone user gone to WP7 and never looking back, I still feel bad for current iphone users and zealots.
So many anti-ATT iphone users have been begging for a Verizon option and now that one is available, it's crippled by the garbage that is CDMA. As much as I love the EVO and Epic, I hate having to watch friends and family members use it on such crippled technology.

As the rep said on stage, you can't use data and voice at the same time with Verizon...uhm whats the point of having a smartphone if you can't multitask! I'd hate to be on a conference call for work and need to check an email..."Hey let me call you guys back so I can download this PDF"

I still recommend to current iphone users, give it up and get a better phone. The sooner you leave the Apple ecosystem, the less painful it will be when leaving.




RE: Same ol' crap
By msheredy on 1/11/2011 1:06:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Verizon...uhm whats the point of having a smartphone if you can't multitask!


If they really want to multitask now then they'd buy one from AT&T.

Why don't you feel sorry for all the current CDMA users who have smartphones that can't multi-task?


RE: Same ol' crap
By cjohnson2136 on 1/11/2011 1:30:58 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly I don't about the multi tasking. If I am on the phone with someone I give them my attention not just kind of listen while i surf the web or e-mail. And if its so important that I talk to someone and have to search something thats why i use my computer. Multi tasking is ncie but I don't think it is a make or break thing


RE: Same ol' crap
By AlphaVirus on 1/12/2011 10:13:54 AM , Rating: 2
I did mention that in my original post, I feel sorry for current users.

"As much as I love the EVO and Epic, I hate having to watch friends and family members use it on such crippled technology."

I love the Andriod OS but hate watching people use it on CDMA, or if I'm on a phone call I hate hearing them say 'let me hang up and call you back so I can do XYZ'.
Honestly the only purpose I see for CDMA is competition, but I would only switch to Sprint or Verizon if the prices were drastically cheaper.


RE: Same ol' crap
By Omega215D on 1/11/2011 2:04:31 PM , Rating: 2
CDMA is better from a tech standpoint because it's not based on Time Division but Code so more transmissions can be handled by a single tower compared to GSM. Many countries other than the US have put up CDMA towers for this reason as it is more cost effective.

CDMA cannot transmit voice and data because they both use the same frequency which will change when LTE is deployed.

Then there's the school of thought that it is rude to put someone on hold while you wait for your email or file to come through not to mention it kills the battery faster for both parties. Best to hang up and contact again when finished.


RE: Same ol' crap
By AlphaVirus on 1/12/2011 10:21:21 AM , Rating: 2
When LTE is deployed current users still won't be able to make use of the new technology, will they? If so that would make Verizon or Sprint more viable to use.

No its not rude to put someone on hold to look something up, I did it yesterday afternoon actually. Someone in another location sent me an email with a spreadsheet attached asking for an explanation, I told him "hold on while I review it". It took about 10 seconds but that is better than hanging up, viewing, calling back which could take over a minute. It just makes it easier to collaborate.


RE: Same ol' crap
By Commodus on 1/11/2011 2:19:26 PM , Rating: 1
The irony is that you bought a WP7 phone... which can't multitask.

And by that I mean OS-level multitasking, not the network. That Verizon iPhone user can still download a Kindle book during a call while he's on Wi-Fi. A WP7 user on AT&T will have to pause the book download no matter what network he's on.

WP7 is a fun, clever OS, but it's most definitely not "better" in every sense (or even most senses). Plus, there's a certain hypocrisy to complaining about the Apple ecosystem and then flocking to a convicted monopolist.


RE: Same ol' crap
By AlphaVirus on 1/12/2011 10:34:00 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps you should USE a WP7 device before saying it can't multitask, I do it all the time.

As mentioned above, yesterday someone sent a spreadsheet to my exchange email and called to see if I'd reviewed it yet. I didn't, so while on the phone I opened my email, reviewed the spreadsheet, discussed it while I was on the phone, and hung up.
As for true multitask (See Andriod OS), I see Microsoft pushing an update to have this because they actually care about corporate users (See Windows Mobile OS).

Also as the TMobile commercials mocks ATT-iphone about video calls while in wifi range, I am not always near WiFi so I need to be able to multitask anywhere.


RE: Same ol' crap
By Solandri on 1/11/2011 4:13:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So many anti-ATT iphone users have been begging for a Verizon option and now that one is available, it's crippled by the garbage that is CDMA. As much as I love the EVO and Epic, I hate having to watch friends and family members use it on such crippled technology.

There's nothing crippling about the technology. In fact CDMA is so good that Verizon and Sprint were able to simply scale up the bandwidth of the (voice) CDMA network to allow for 3G data. That's why you can't do simultaneous voice and data on the 3G CDMA nets - they use the same radio, and voice isn't packet switched so it monopolizes the radio.

GSM uses markedly inferior TDMA for voice. It's so bad that they could barely compete with CDMA with 2G data, much less 3G. In order to get 3G speeds, they had to design an entirely new protocol and transmitter (some of these are even CDMA - it's that good). That's why GSM phones can do voice and data simultaneously - they have entirely separate radios to handle each. It's a side benefit of GSM voice being based on inferior technology.

Anyway, the problem goes away on CDMA networks if you use LTE (for Verizon) or WiMax (for Sprint) or WiFi for the data connection. Those newer technologies use a different radio from voice, so the phone can operate both radios at once. I can browse the web and talk on the phone at the same time with my Sprint Epic 4G when it's connected to 4G. Of course I've only had to do that once in the 3 months I've owned it...


RE: Same ol' crap
By AlphaVirus on 1/12/2011 10:41:25 AM , Rating: 2
Let me ask you this, while on 4G making a 3 way call are you able to hang up the phone with one of the people?
Currently CDMA won't allow something as simple as this too.

I won't lie, here in Houston Verizon is way faster than ATT but if I can't make use of that data at any time I need then its useless. One of the bullet points in the Verizon event was hotspot, what happens to the hotspot when someone calls? Does it suddenly drop the connection to the connected devices?

Correct, once LTE and WiMax are rolled out then these companies will be in better standind, BUT how long will it take for them to push it to all the major markets. Also Sprint already charges a $10 premium to "4G" devices even if your market can't use it...how much more will they attempt at rate hikes? These are the types of things that make me turn my back on CDMA (Verizon/Sprint).


LTE?
By cjohnson2136 on 1/11/2011 11:21:10 AM , Rating: 2
I don't get why they would release the phone now when they could wait a little longer and just release an LTE version of the phone instead.




RE: LTE?
By Sazabi19 on 1/11/2011 11:25:59 AM , Rating: 2
cuz both campanies are seeing dollar signs. Apple zealots will buy this version, and then the new version 3 weeks before its released


RE: LTE?
By nafhan on 1/11/2011 11:44:33 AM , Rating: 2
I doubt Apple's going to release an LTE phone until:
-networks are more widespread
-using LTE doesn't cause battery life to go through the floor
-LTE radios drop in price.

Apple's focus has never been to get the newest features ASAP. They add features when it makes sense (to them). I'm thinking '12 before they release an LTE iPhone. Next big iPhone feature is probably going to be NFC.


RE: LTE?
By omnicronx on 1/11/2011 11:57:36 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to guess it has more to do with the fact that implementing LTE requires far more effort than simply plugging in an CDMA antenna into an existing design.(not that adding CDMA was an easy venture either)

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the iPhone5 will be a LTE device.


RE: LTE?
By nafhan on 1/12/2011 11:47:16 AM , Rating: 2
I think that depends on when we get the iPhone 5. If this years annual refresh is the iPhone 4GS (or something similar) than yeah the iPhone 5 may very well be an LTE device.


RE: LTE?
By msheredy on 1/11/2011 12:07:36 PM , Rating: 2
My theory is this. Most of the newer Android phones are LTE based, this frees up the CDMA network for all the iPhone adopters. In the end it gives Verizon 2 advantages, 1. Get new subscribers now and 2. it gives them time to beef up their LTE network for the next gen iPhone which will support LTE (because they're gonna need it!).


RE: LTE?
By VahnTitrio on 1/11/2011 12:33:05 PM , Rating: 2
So people will pay more to upgrade to the iPhone 4G.


RE: LTE?
By msheredy on 1/11/2011 12:59:44 PM , Rating: 2
Or they just wait till the 4G version is available...


Verizon iPhone
By btc909 on 1/11/2011 12:00:37 PM , Rating: 4
Oh let me just pop in a MicroSDHC card, oh wait I can't.
Oh the battery isn't charging that well anymore, oh I'll just get another one, oh wait I can't.
Well the internet is ok, not great but it's ok.

It's common sense why LTE isn't being offered, it's another reason to upgrade again. I'll bet the Verizon iPhone5 will be CDMA as well. I also wouldn't be surprised if AT&T gets it first.

At least you can get off of the slug of the AT&T data network. Data at CES using AT&T network was useless unless it was after midnight.




RE: Verizon iPhone
By Omega215D on 1/11/2011 2:08:19 PM , Rating: 2
Well no, the president of Verizon did mention that LTE consumes a bit more power (not sure if he really means bit, that is to be determined how much more power it'll take) than regular 3G so I guess Apple being the smartphone with the longest battery life wants to keep that going while on Verizon.

He also stated that while the other smartphones have unlimited data it is to be determined whether or not it'll be that way for the iPhone.

*too much CNBC for me...


RE: Verizon iPhone
By omnicronx on 1/11/2011 2:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
From Verizon: "LTE would force design compromises we're not willing to make, and customers want the phone now."


RE: Verizon iPhone
By Commodus on 1/11/2011 2:28:43 PM , Rating: 2
I was at the Verizon 4G keynote at CES and tried their LTE phones. All of them are gigantic (4.3-inch screens) and have extra-large capacity batteries. A Verizon exec told me explicitly that they have those batteries to help cope with the 4G chipset's battery drain.

Apple is right here: LTE isn't ready for reasonably-sized smartphones.


Late to the Game
By struzzin20 on 1/11/2011 3:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
I think they are late to appear on Verizon as I think they (Apple)didn't expect Android to go like it did. I think they are worried about the Ipad 2 as well with all the tablets @ CES (Moto Xoom). I have never liked Apple products and will never own anything from them ! I have about 12 Ipod's (various models) that my cousins have broke in about 4 years. I have worked on electronics for 14 years and the reliability seems to me to be terrible. All the people that fork over 3X as much for a laptop is more sad than anything.




RE: Late to the Game
By Tony Swash on 1/11/2011 7:30:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I think they are late to appear on Verizon as I think they (Apple)didn't expect Android to go like it did. I think they are worried about the Ipad 2 as well with all the tablets @ CES (Moto Xoom). I have never liked Apple products and will never own anything from them ! I have about 12 Ipod's (various models) that my cousins have broke in about 4 years. I have worked on electronics for 14 years and the reliability seems to me to be terrible. All the people that fork over 3X as much for a laptop is more sad than anything.


I fear you have it all upside down.

When Apple first developed the iPhone it approached the various carriers with a pitch. This pitch involved the carriers giving up a considerable amount of power and changing the way they did things. It meant no craplets on the iPhone, no carrier stickers, no carrier apps you couldn't remove, it meant Apple retaining complete control of the iPhone users experience and it meant Apple keeping complete control of the user accounts. In short it was a bold attack on the traditional power of the carriers.

This was a difficult pitch for Apple to make to the carriers because at that point Apple had zero track record in the world of phones, zero sales and no actual phone products and Apple refused to show the carriers any early or even late prototypes of the iPhone. Apple just said "it will be insanely great and sell in it's millions".

Most of the carriers, including Verizon, said no thanks. AT&T finally said yes but with a proviso of an exclusive right to the iPhone for a specified period of time.

The iPhone launched and was a huge success. With an actual product and with it's booming sales Apple was in a stronger position in relation to non-US carriers and so in non-US markets the iPhone has always been on multiple carriers or with an exclusive launch carrier for a very short period of time.

Apple's offer to the carriers has always been the same. Do it our way or no iPhone for you. In fact Apple is pretty the only major player that has successfully stood up to the power of the carriers. It might have broken that power once and for all (it will eventually anyway) had it not been for the short term life line that Google threw the carriers in the form of Android.

So now the the AT&T exclusive deal has expired and Verizon is panting to get it's mitts on the iPhone and has, inevitability, caved in and accepted the same iPhone deal every other carrier has been forced to accept.

Now we can see how well Android does when it is direct competition with iPhone. This is going to be interesting.

By the way the iPad2 is going to be a gigantic success and will crush the silly Android look-a-likes.

Apple has built an entire ecosystem to support and enrich the iPad for both customers and developers. To be competitive, a newcomer to the tablet software market needs to replicate or sidestep the need for nearly all of Apple’s major efforts, including synchronization of media and data with Windows PCs and Macs, integration with popular web services, an integrated payment system that customers will actually use at a reasonable rate, a well-stocked music and video storefront, plenty of high-quality third-party apps and fun games, a sophisticated SDK and development environment, widespread retail availability and customer support, and an assortment of good first- and third-party accessories to fulfil common needs (cases, chargers, docks, screen protectors, extended batteries) and give the device new uses (tripods, speakers, styluses, input and output adapters, wall and car mounts).

Because when normal people (i.e. non techies, non geeks. 99.9% of the buying public) need to consider an alternative to the iPad, they’re not just thinking of Apple’s lack of “openness” (as Google so vaguely and poorly defines it in relation to Android) or the iPad’s lack of some individual hardware feature. Buying an alternative means giving up Apple’s entire ecosystem. That’s worth it to some buyers, but it’s incredibly impractical for many.


RE: Late to the Game
By themaster08 on 1/12/2011 3:12:52 AM , Rating: 2
The Great Wall of Text coming from the guy telling others to get out more.


RE: Late to the Game
By Alexstarfire on 1/12/2011 6:44:22 AM , Rating: 2
Way to interject the non-relevant iPad 2 into a discussion about Verizon and the iPhone 4.

Basically you just state that Apple forced AT&T, and after them any other carrier that sells their phone, to be like the rest of the world. Selling standardized phones with no carrier BS on it.

Yes, that's good and all, but it's also the reason the iPhone only sells as well in the US>


RE: Late to the Game
By Tony Swash on 1/12/2011 11:28:24 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Way to interject the non-relevant iPad 2 into a discussion about Verizon and the iPhone 4.


I didn't interject the iPad2 the person whose comment I was replying to mentioned the iPad 2 and made some fairly daft comments about it which I was responding to. Try reading the stuff you are commenting on - it helps ;)

quote:
Basically you just state that Apple forced AT&T, and after them any other carrier that sells their phone, to be like the rest of the world. Selling standardized phones with no carrier BS on it.

Yes, that's good and all, but it's also the reason the iPhone only sells as well in the US>


Nearly 75% of iPhones are in use outside the US

see
http://www.asymco.com/2011/01/08/nearly-75-of-ipho...

quote:
By themaster08 said on 1/12/2011 3:12:52 AM
The Great Wall of Text coming from the guy telling others to get out more.


I wrote my comment on my iPhone whilst sitting in the park :)

Did the wall of text hurt your brain - it was an awful lot of ideas for you take in at one go. Have a little lie down and then you will feel better. Perhaps try just reading one sentence at a time and taking a short break.


I predict...
By Motoman on 1/11/2011 11:21:26 AM , Rating: 3
...shattered illusions of greener grass, wailing and gnashing of teeth, some whining and some denying, and AT&T making billions of dollars from ETF fees.




RE: I predict...
By Sazabi19 on 1/11/2011 11:27:12 AM , Rating: 2
I thought Verizon was doing something for AT&T termination people...


OMG
By sprockkets on 1/11/2011 12:02:47 PM , Rating: 3
"OMG! I'm so glad I didn't kill myself yesterday!!!"




By cpeter38 on 1/11/2011 11:28:56 AM , Rating: 2
AT&T has seemingly felt little need to improve the poor quality of their voice & data networks. Despite the quality issues, AT&T service comes at a premium cost. Many outsiders analyzing the situation concur.

Most customers WILL take steps to stop getting screwed when they have an alternative.

I look forward to AT&T's chickens coming home to roost!!




By Cr0nJ0b on 1/11/2011 2:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I have to say that I'm a current iphone 3G user that has been patiently waiting to make the move away from AT&T. If verizon has this last year, I would be on Verizon now. But that didn't happen. I'm just sitting on the fence waiting. The iphone for really sounds great for verizon, but the whole no data when you are on the phone thing might be a deal breaker for me.

I used to have verizon and I loved teathering...but I hated getting dropeed from VPN every time a call would come in. I'd have to take the call, or dismiss it, and then log back in to vpn...a real pain.

Now image that times 5. 5 people hanging out surfing the web off of my hot spot...and then....drop..."sorry Guys I got a call, wait till i'm off and log back in".

I get people that say they don't multi-task...they make a call then will surf the web or check email when they are done. But VPN and tethering is a whole differnt story. I always multi-task when I'm tethered. I take calls, send txt etc...

I think I will wait to see what happens with the new LTE smartphones from Verizon.

I know that I'll be off AT&T by summer, its just a matter of what I'm going to...




How fortunate
By KoolAidMan1 on 1/11/2011 5:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
All my lucky friends on Verizon are dumping their Androids and can finally get onto the iPhone, aka an actual good mobile platform.

And as soon as Verizon gets Windows Mobile 7, that'll be two good options for people.




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